The Syndicate

Anyway, reads can be wrong.

But my suspicion on Alison has not diminished at all.

I bid you farewell.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:52 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

You forgot the part about the flat-sounding egotistical thingy.

That's covered under "his entrance was bad".

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

Way to slip C4's thing in there without personally relying on it for your own case.

I don't care if people are right for the wrong reasons.

I don't believe in c4's specific reasoning, but if it helps a townie get there on you, why not?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:53 pm I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

82% of statistics are made up.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

i don’t see how this could possibly make you so confident he’s a wolf? i think radishes frequently “skates by” D1 and doesn’t really do much as a villager

Like Dizzy I need to go sleep. My vote is back on Alison in spirit.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

i don’t see how this could possibly make you so confident he’s a wolf? i think radishes frequently “skates by” D1 and doesn’t really do much as a villager

The skating is in my Canadian DNA.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:52 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:51 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:49 pm I am unconvinced that Alison is this convinced about me.

same

it just reads like she picked a random lhf villager to try to ram through and inflated her confidence in it to hide that there’s no substance to her push

You guys are talking like I am deathtunnelling Radish.

you literally are though? or at least that’s what it looks like

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:53 pm I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

you’re literally telling us to kill him and then kill you if it’s wrong lol

I feel that the suspicion on me is unfounded.

When I am genuinely scummy or have a bad position in thread I try to look for opportunistic mafia trying to egg townies onto the wagon and gently push it while keeping their hands clean. This is what I did in COV.

But this is not what I think is going on here. I am playing a perfectly normal game and half the player list suspects me for no reason. This is an unnatural dynamic. I suspect that the mafia aren't trying to keep their hands clean and are just straight up taking lead on my wagon.

Radish and Dizzy both fit into this archetype, at this point in the thread. If I am to go down as having a confident, "deathtunnel" read, it is that one or both of them are mafia.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

i don’t see how this could possibly make you so confident he’s a wolf? i think radishes frequently “skates by” D1 and doesn’t really do much as a villager

I think he puts in more energy if he thinks he's going to get misexed.

my vote is also on alison in spirit

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:53 pm I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

you’re literally telling us to kill him and then kill you if it’s wrong lol

That would be a thunderdome.

I am not thunderdoming him. I am giving you a flowchart of actions to perform. My worldview is expanded and beyond just "kill Radish no matter what".

I love open wolfing

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

i don’t see how this could possibly make you so confident he’s a wolf? i think radishes frequently “skates by” D1 and doesn’t really do much as a villager

I think he puts in more energy if he thinks he's going to get misexed.

when has he been in danger of being misexed today? i haven’t ever felt like his wagon was particularly likely to go over

Ugh I keep refreshing 'one more time'

I have said my piece. If it isn't convincing anyone, it isn't convincing anyone. This is not a player list that will be swayed by me shouting and screaming and using coercive tactics. I'm going to leave for a while, and my solve and strategy is clear.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:00 pm my vote is also on alison in spirit

I guess she's been spirit hammered then

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

i don’t see how this could possibly make you so confident he’s a wolf? i think radishes frequently “skates by” D1 and doesn’t really do much as a villager

I think he puts in more energy if he thinks he's going to get misexed.

when has he been in danger of being misexed today? i haven’t ever felt like his wagon was particularly likely to go over

Remember when I asked people to vote MR and they refused because it would almost hammer him?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:03 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:00 pm my vote is also on alison in spirit

I guess she's been spirit hammered then

Alison has spirit died. She flips town.

The game will continue.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:47 pm alison, convince me that radishes is a dastardly villain please

it can’t just be that post dizzy quoted, right?

His entrance was bad. c4 made a case against him if you care about that. I don't, but maybe it sways you. Then he came back into the thread and sort of acknowledged the suspicion on him but skated by. (He was top wagon when he returned to the thread. But he did not do anything townie. Now he is not top wagon. This makes me wonder why.) His wagon position relative to mine makes me suspect him more.

i don’t see how this could possibly make you so confident he’s a wolf? i think radishes frequently “skates by” D1 and doesn’t really do much as a villager

I think he puts in more energy if he thinks he's going to get misexed.

when has he been in danger of being misexed today? i haven’t ever felt like his wagon was particularly likely to go over

Fwiw I am used to being a wagon in literally every game I play and I never felt in danger here despite the hammer.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:03 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:00 pm my vote is also on alison in spirit

I guess she's been spirit hammered then

What, you're telling me there are people in this list who aren't willing to hammer?

Alison, if you’re town, you should spend your time finding the actual wolves. Not whatever this is. It may require reading the thread.

Anyway going for real please don't 1000 post over the next eight hours.

btw if alison tries to claim PR past this point she’s a wolf

as town PR she strongly believes it’s optimal to claim early when under pressure and would have claimed already

do not entertain any late PR claims from her

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:06 pm Alison, if you’re town, you should spend your time finding the actual wolves. Not whatever this is. It may require reading the thread.

To be clear, I am town and I have spent my last few posts constructing what I believe to be the most likely solve to win the game.

Maybe I will read the thread later. I have skimmed briefly through it in between posts and it seemed largely like a continuation of what came before.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:07 pm btw if alison tries to claim PR past this point she’s a wolf

as town PR she strongly believes it’s optimal to claim early when under pressure and would have claimed already

do not entertain any late PR claims from her

This is correct. I am Vanilla Town. If I came back and saw this wagon and I was a PR I would have claimed immediately and gotten you all off my back so you can worry about finding the actual mafia.

i’m a bit worried this is CoV 2.0 where alison came under fire D1 and correctly caught radishes wolfing while i suspected her and defended radishes like a dingus lol

I don’t want to get caught in a confirmation bias whirlwind and will just think quietly about the game tonight.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:18 pm the team is actually mac/alison because they aren’t villagery here and both of them have acknowledged the other is not villagery yet neither of them have actually done anything about it and if either of them were v and wolf read the other they would make it their mission to push it

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:30 pm Mac responded to my concern post. It was a scummy response. Mac is probably scum.

I am never voting Mac today.

almost seems too on the nose to be w/w ngl

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:02 pm Gut is saying Dizzy's Wilgy read is towny

Same, and while I dislike the reason why (as I now know of a weak spot in my scum game), I agree that it is valid.

Read the past few pages.

I think my PoE at this moment is Mac, Radishes, Alison.

Tinfoil C4. I can't express why.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:13 pm i’m a bit worried this is CoV 2.0 where alison came under fire D1 and correctly caught radishes wolfing while i suspected her and defended radishes like a dingus lol

But I'm totally not w/w with Radish and TMI shielding Alison this time through

Thinking about Hammering Alison.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:30 pm Thinking about Hammering Alison.

You can wait on your decision until tomorrow because if she's town wolves will hammer her by then anyway

c4 do you have an updated alison read?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:22 pm Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

Hally mac dizzy wilgy tbd tbd

Why exactly was I a town read and then not a town read

I thought you were town and now you're null

Largely because your votes to that point that I'd seen were a long held deeply meh vote on myself and a vote on wilgy, who I came to believe is town

So

Downgraded to a null read

If Alison goes over and flips red with you on her you can have a sweet sweet town read again

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:27 pm We probably only get two mischops in this game. I suggest we eliminate the top suspect every time without regard for who it is. The game is unlikely to offer a wealth of time and chop resources to sort itself out. This might be speaking the obvious, but I don't think it's obvious in practice.

wait actually?

Yeah

Ew. Worse than pandas

Internal shudder

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:54 pm Largely because your votes to that point that I'd seen were a long held deeply meh vote on myself and a vote on wilgy, who I came to believe is town

So

Downgraded to a null read

If Alison goes over and flips red with you on her you can have a sweet sweet town read again

Have you ever, at any point, in any game, perceived a vote that I placed with your name in it to be anything other than "deeply meh"?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:30 pm Thinking about Hammering Alison.

what if I were to tell you that right now... you can't.

If there's mafia in my uncertain pair, who's the more likely one?

Mac
MR

Asking anyone that cares to answer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:30 pm Thinking about Hammering Alison.

what if I were to tell you that right now... you can't.

not with that attitude

So Wilgy has said a number of things that give me the impression he believes the hammer vote to be 5 rather than 6. I am not sure if it's meaningful for alignment, but maybe it could be. I think it can at least help to explain some of his in-the-moment hammer commentary.

I asked Wilgy this directly and did not receive an answer, so I am left to take it or leave it.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:51 pm c4 do you have an updated alison read?

I've caved so have fun

Original tr prob wasn't that good given Jay's input that Alison could want to do those things... as a wolf
Reentrance had too many are you serious posts to shield
Dizzy made good points

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:54 pm Largely because your votes to that point that I'd seen were a long held deeply meh vote on myself and a vote on wilgy, who I came to believe is town

So

Downgraded to a null read

If Alison goes over and flips red with you on her you can have a sweet sweet town read again

Have you ever, at any point, in any game, perceived a vote that I placed with your name in it to be anything other than "deeply meh"?

Yeah sometimes

Tbf you often vote me for deeply meh reasons that usually amount to "i don't know how to read him on d1 so I default to voting him"

But yeah there have been votes on me you've made before that I wouldn't call deeply meh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:27 pm So Wilgy has said a number of things that give me the impression he believes the hammer vote to be 5 rather than 6. I am not sure if it's meaningful for alignment, but maybe it could be. I think it can at least help to explain some of his in-the-moment hammer commentary.

I asked Wilgy this directly and did not receive an answer, so I am left to take it or leave it.

yea, his last post at least made it sound like he thought alison was at L-1

if that’s true i think it makes his thing with radishes not getting hammered make a bit more sense? because only one wolf would have to hammer instead of both

i still don’t get why he thinks a wolf would out to hammer radishes on D1 but i kinda don’t care about it anymore lol

my concern with wilgy now is more what you and c4 said

it feels like he’s struggling to solve outside of the whole hammer thing

i played with wilgy a while ago and don’t really remember him being like this? just feels like he’s not really able to get into the game

i have the least wilgy meta of anyone here though, so maybe i just don’t know how he plays now