Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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The question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neitherMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
I read your ISO and it all read fine. Nothing bogus jumped out. Your Rondo shit was rational contextually, and I realised that my initial distaste of it was overblown because, as Falcon pointed out, it kind of is something you would do as town.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:36 amWhat caused the turnaround on me?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 amnothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takesSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pmIn what capacity do you know Lucy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
You don't need to trust me. I feel like I am looking at a town capable of winning this game without you specifically needing to townread me lol.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 amThe question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neitherMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 amI do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 amSo do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*
Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.
EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.
*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*
Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.
My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.
*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*
That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.
However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.
Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?
How confident is your townread on Rondo?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:32 amRondo is cool. He's just an acquired taste. And you have to have a very refined palette.
@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad postsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 amI don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 amnothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takesSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pmIn what capacity do you know Lucy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.
I do that sometimes. Not always. You're doing the same thing you did last time we played reading me too one note.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 amMaybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 amI do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 amSo do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*
Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.
EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.
*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*
Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.
My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.
*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*
That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.
However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.
Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?
I dont like that this is such a good answer. You're day 3 problem mac now.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 amYou don't need to trust me. I feel like I am looking at a town capable of winning this game without you specifically needing to townread me lol.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 amThe question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neitherMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
Why bring up Ender if you don't have anything to say about him?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*
Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.
EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.
*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*
Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.
My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.
*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
So when Lucy high posts its fine but when I high post its a crime? :think:Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 amI don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 amnothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takesSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pmIn what capacity do you know Lucy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.
I do think you're town. I don't quite get your approach but I don't think I have to lol.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:41 am@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad postsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 amI don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 amnothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takesSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pmIn what capacity do you know Lucy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.
I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am switching my vote to falcon
i was thinking about doing it earlier
i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier
I'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 amI haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am switching my vote to falcon
i was thinking about doing it earlier
i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier
Wilgy is in my POE.
Wow I didn't get a meme, I better sign into a retainment home tbqfhRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:26 amIt was a meme sir tbh nothing more tbqhBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:25 am...I am not voting sleep?
yeah, all i did was make a bunch of posts, and i made half of what my 6 day champs game message count is already. i’ll message significantly less in the coming days, especially because i haven’t been talking about the game for most of it. gnMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 amI do think you're town. I don't quite get your approach but I don't think I have to lol.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:41 am@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad postsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 amI don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 amnothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takesSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pmIn what capacity do you know Lucy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.
I have a good track record of reading Falcon too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:46 amI'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 amI haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am switching my vote to falcon
i was thinking about doing it earlier
i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier
Wilgy is in my POE.
yeah lolAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:47 am I think Mac is town and he is projecting the "I'm going to be power town Mac and walk over everyone" vibes this game so I am not sure why someone who usually plays a quiet game would suddenly feel inclined to pick a fight if he were scum. The indignation there feels sincere even if his solving has been shallow (which is why I initially POE'd him).
No, it was shallower than what he said. I just read his content and felt it was dishonest.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:47 amI have a good track record of reading Falcon too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:46 amI'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 amI haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am switching my vote to falcon
i was thinking about doing it earlier
i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier
Wilgy is in my POE.
What's your case on him? Just what Nate said?
It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 amWhat a cringe term read progression is lol.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 amOh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbhMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?
Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.
I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.
Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.
why send this now lmaoRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:49 am Just a reminder: 6. A tied day poll will result in no death. Votes matter. There will be no coin flips to determine poll results.
Personally I like making day 1 reads because in every single game I play at least 2 or 3 players will immediately turn over their role card for public viewing when I do so.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 amSpeaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).
words... that mean nothingfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pmIt's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.
t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.
Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
Because its better if we get our shit together before rather than close to EODlucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 amwhy send this now lmaoRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:49 am Just a reminder: 6. A tied day poll will result in no death. Votes matter. There will be no coin flips to determine poll results.
You just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 amIt is more that it is a good place to start tbh!MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 amWhat a cringe term read progression is lol.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 amOh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbhMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?
Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.
I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.
Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh
I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".
HmmmMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
Hey lets not get personal. Im no mod tho, so go for the throatMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:53 amYou just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 amIt is more that it is a good place to start tbh!MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 amWhat a cringe term read progression is lol.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 amOh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbhMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?
Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.
I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.
Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh
I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".
I'm not intending to cross any lines. Just want Boq to know where I stand with him atm so he's not so confused why I might have some hostile undertones.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:54 amHey lets not get personal. Im no mod tho, so go for the throatMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:53 amYou just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 amIt is more that it is a good place to start tbh!MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 amWhat a cringe term read progression is lol.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 amOh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbhMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie
all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?
Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.
I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.
Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh
I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".
I am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh
and yet... you are not doing that... how odd lolAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:56 amI am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh
I don't really see the agenda in just throwing out naked reads.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 amThis post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).
words... that mean nothingfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pmIt's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.
t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.
Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.
eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.
I'm not voting Rondo solely because of you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:00 amand yet... you are not doing that... how odd lolAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:56 amI am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh
He's town.
the agenda is in who he chose to come up with reads onAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:00 amI don't really see the agenda in just throwing out naked reads.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 amThis post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).
words... that mean nothingfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pmIt's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.
t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.
Sean feels...stiff, awkward.
What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.
eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.
I agree with you that the second post seems a little shallow in hindsight. My opinion of falcon has shifted down. Partially because of this and partially because I felt he treated my push on Rondo oddly. He doesn't react to it at first, then when Seanzie and Mac come along criticizing it for stirring up a chaotic player, he argues that it's something I would do as either alignment. Then later on says that he townread me less because of it.
Marmot and Fingersplints lol
I think the three people he brought up + Lucy were the only really active players at that point in time though.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:03 am the agenda is in who he chose to come up with reads on
town read the big scary folks
scum read the forever d1 mischop who shouldn't be because he's actually a really good townie with a good falcon read
Does this feel like a thread that has been left untouched by the presence of wolves?
yeah tbh. bad sign, no?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:05 amDoes this feel like a thread that has been left untouched by the presence of wolves?