The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 am Uh - no.

Those stories are kinda creepy and if there is one about me I am so happy not to have seen it as they are ugly and brutal.

I was gonna post but now I am just not into the game.

Do not know if I will be back, poor sportsmanship is sad.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:23 pm

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:19 pm

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:45 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:25 pm I am on my way to a holiday party. I may or may not be back in here tonight, and I have another Weds., but I’ll be normal days and tomorrow night.

I’m interested in knowing why Marmot and especially Wilgy pushed so hard on Falcon being bad, to the point that Wilgy pushed back at people who didn’t think Falcon was more suspish than he, Wilgy, was. But then didn’t vote for Falcon.

Marmot said he was gonna be out of thread at EOD so there’s that. But I don’t understand what Wilgy was about.

Don't blow my efforts out of the water. I even advised that it was still 2/3 confidence.

You say I pushed back? How do? I believe I inquired as to reasons as half of them weren't given.

How so? I read the thread. You have 41 posts, 18, almost half of them, reference Falcon. Then theres another 5 where you quote him and don't actually type out 'Falcon", so those posts only have his full user name. Most of them were a back and forth with him about why he was bad. I didn't see any 2/3 confidence. Your sureness was why I went back and reread him in the first place.

You pushed back at several people, at me and Sabie specifically for not being sure what to think of it. Then Roxy for saying of you and Falcon, you pinged her more.

You don't get to say, " I believe I inquired as to reasons as half of them weren't given." as if you were just asking for peoples opinions when half of your posts were about "Falcon is wolf", and implying people were bad for thinking YOU might be the wolf.

That said, I get what you're putting out in the post after this one. And it makes alot of sense, but I need to read back interactions to see if I actually believe it.

Aye, perhaps there's a misinterpretation in perception. As stated earlier, I threw Falcon off his normal game plan. That was my initial intention and gauging the reaction following to both Falcon and those around him was my intention.

I only after he responded formed a w read that was more than a 50/50.

By pushing back are you referring to "attempting to read me on meta is incorrect?" By all means feel free to sus me, but bring some arguments that make sense and at least acknowledge that if I advise meta isn't a good way to catch me that there is at least some slight truth to it. I'll continue being a 50/50 read as long as people do not realize that for the past 10 years, my entire playstyle has been in effort to both recognize and break my own patterns while observing the ones surrounding. Mafia is like walking the sands of Arrakis. Move in the same pattern and a sandworm will eat you.

Also further to reaction testing. What do you see re my views and method with Neon? How do you compare them to my handling of Falcon?

I didn't say anything about meta. This has nothing to do with meta; only with what has been said in this game. Although as a massive Dune fan, I 100% get your reference. But I am a tad confused becasue I was talking about this in reference to Lucy earlier, not to you.

I don't mean to be rude but I am not 100% sure I understand what you're saying. I think it is based on how you are wording things *this game* becasue I have not had this problem in the past. It almost seems like you are intentionally obscuring what you actually mean. I don't understand what "throwing Falcon off his normal game plan" means in relation to this. Is his normal game plan NAI? Did you disrupt his game just to test other peoples reactions to it? Was that fair to him? Did you ever actually suspect him, or was this an experiment?

How I would define Pushing back:

Person A: Well, I don't know what to think re Wilgy vs falcon.

Wilgy: What do you mean you can't tell?? Isn't it obvious that he is bad and I am not?

That has nothing to do with meta. I am, again, unsure what point you are trying to make with this. And I am not sure how "reaction testing" is a civvie thing, as you earlier described it. You disrupt someones game, post about it and see how people react to your posts, and you judge them based on whether or not they vote people based on your maybe not true opinions?

It just seems like an excuse to not take responsibility for your actions, and continue to suspect people who "fell" for your... experiment.

I don't understand your "method" as you have described it, so how it applies to Neon, I don't know. I think Neon seems disinterested and is not really invested. Not sure if this is NAI or not. I do know I picked up on your Falcon points (and Marmots, becasue my suspish of Falcon was based more on his interactions with Marmot than on yours) becasue I already was watching him becasue of how Rondos joke baddie team was players 3, 4 and 5, and totally skipped player 2, Falcon. So I paid more attention to your Falcon points than to your Neon points.

I am getting a bit frustrated, I dislike feeling dumb, and not understanding what someone is saying makes me feel like an idiot, lol.

Is his normal game plan NAI? Very much so.
Did you disrupt his game just to test other peoples reactions to it? Both his own and those around it.
Was that fair to him? Yes, not really sure about what is and isn't fair in this setting.
Did you ever actually suspect him, or was this an experiment? I did notice a lack of normal Falcon questions and it was about a 50% suspicion. Falcon's reaction moved it to the 70% where I was comfortable with his yeet.

Person A: Well, I don't know what to think re Wilgy vs falcon.

Wilgy: What do you mean you can't tell?? Isn't it obvious that he is bad and I am not?

I think that this may be a poor representation of me during the Scrabble. Yes, I did question many players that didn't know if my behavior was scummy or not, but I desired for them to draw their own conclusions and my questions were to evaluate as to if those conclusions were genuine.

I think in the presentation above, it is much more indicative of me encouraging a thunder dome. I did nothing of the sort. Any other wagons that had decent analysis behind them were more than welcome. As to if I were to vote there or not, that depends on the argument and if it made sense.

You disrupt someones game, post about it and see how people react to your posts, and you judge them based on whether or not they vote people based on your maybe not true opinions?

Yes, disruption during RVS is how data is generated. We were mostly in a chaos state and off topic until I did so. Yes, judging players reactions and votes is how Mafia is played and solved? Though, I feel that you are implying that my judgement was based on votes alone which feels discrediting for no reason.

No one fell for an experiment. I observed, provided a conclusion, that conclusion was wrong. If people agreed with me, fine. I'd like to know why they agreed with me so I can assess if they are being genuine. If they disagreed with me, also why? Did they have TMI and seek to benefit from a misyeet?

You are not an idiot. I would like you to answer though, if I am town do you have a discourse with how I'm playing the game? If I am wolf, was my push purposely to yeet Falcon and blame those around me blindly?

if I am town do you have a discourse with how I'm playing the game?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:54 pm Ok here's some Night 2 reads.

Roxy - Roxy is my number 1 townread at this point. I don't necessarily agree with everything she says, but I agree with some of it, and she has been completely unstilted thus far this game, a vast departure from the last game when she was a wolf.

DrWilgy - DrWilgy gave me pretty solid town vibes early on Day 1, and I still mostly feel that way about him, albeit has dropped off a little bit. It might just be his new pfp that I don't like as much, because I somewhat agree with his worldview.
fingersplints - Mostly a tone read. She's going out of her way to make reads, rather than asking questions and letting those specifically shape her worldview, because the latter is what I would expect from w!fingersplints.
sabie12 - I have a similar read to sabie that I have on fingersplints, although it is much less concrete and more likely to change.
TonyStarkPrime - TSP's play this game I don't think falls in line with his wolf play, but also his manner of play would be very easy to replicate as w!TSP, so this is a very weak townread, but a townread for now.

00FF00]Neon - It's weird that I remember very little from the highest poster in the thread, but that's where I'm at right now. I don't know if I'd put her in my POE atm, but I don't have her as a townread either.
Dennis - I think Dennis does seem townie at times, and does seem similar to his last game at times, but also is behaving differently at other times. I think much of this can be attributed to this game just having a vastly different vibe. Also, when Dennis is struggling, he has been posting in the thread in search of help, which I think is kinda townie (he's not posting in wolf-chat for help). Anyway, still torn on this slot, but he's not my number one priority atm.
Kate - I thought Kate was obvious town in LGM. She is far from obvious town in this game, although it could just be game vibe, as well as her being sick causing her playstyle to change.
Epignosis - I've liked some of the things Epi has done at times in this game, but also I don't get the impression that he cares about the roof. My impression of him atm is that he is making objectively good posts, but not really solving the game.
S~V~S - I've talked about SVS at length already. She has been over-explainy, to which she has also explained this is normal for her (it's been so long since we've played together, I don't remember your exact playstyle), but at times to me it doesn't feel like it accomplishes very much. I would put her lower, but since this does appear to be the norm for her, I'm putting a little less emphasis on that particular style of posting in my read on her.
Lemonfairy - Very little content, no read on this slot atm.

RondoDimBuckle - Rondo and lucy both fall into a similar category of "making random assertions without explanation". However, lucy's attempts at this seemed more natural and less "agenda-y", which is why I thought she seemed town, whereas Rondo's feel forced and harder for me to empathize with. His assertions that he should be an easy townread don't sway me either.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:01 pm @Neon you posted an open Night 2 ama.

What do you think of my bottom 5 players in my readlist: Rondo, SVS, Epignosis, lemonfairy, and Kate?

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:23 pm @sig ignore my sabie comment and welcome to the game!

@Marmot look I made a rainbow just for you.