The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:14 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:59 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.
Hmmm...

If Brad is town, does W Roxy have the need to stack here sheeping the Wiml?

If Brad is actually town, Roxy looks good for not immediately jumping on the "it's a difference check, Wiml looks bad" train that seems all too tantalising for a wolf to push in that scenario.

But I think Roxy's approach to Lime has been good regardless of his alignment (and unrelated to my alignment as well).

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:16 pm**

Wilgy, will you please move back onto a non-vanity wagon before EoD? Just to avoid shenanigans since Lime will probably self pres at some point.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:17 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:14 pm I don't believe I have ever seen Epignosis solely pile on his own teammate once since I joined this website. There's a first time for everything, but I doubt he's teamed with Abigail.

I don't think so either. I do know that Abigail does enjoy da bus life though.

Perhaps you are just correct. This does take more tension away from Epi if I think along these lines.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:18 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:59 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.
Hmmm...

If Brad is town, does W Roxy have the need to stack here sheeping the Wiml?
My first guess would be no, though it'd be less about need and more about character. I think mafia Roxy would probably be less inclined to forgive Wiml for being wrong in advance if LC is town. It's just a small hunch though.
Aye, unless it's a team assoc. I know W Roxy is very pro teammate. Wiml/Roxy has some merit there.

This is good to know.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:19 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:16 pm Wilgy, will you please move back onto a non-vanity wagon before EoD? Just to avoid shenanigans since Lime will probably self pres at some point.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:20 pm**

We're entering the legacy period of Day 1, friends. I will share some parting thoughts soon. Everyone should.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:24 pm**

Aye, and Idk how much more I have in me to look at ISOs.

I feel that Kate is carrying more threadweight than they should.

PoE
Abigail/Kate, LC/(Wiml/Roxy), Quin

Gut says to trust the others, but I can't explain inherently why. LC going over this cycle is fine, but I don't think as resolving as Kate would be, but who knows, maybe we get Roxy and Wiml off this list.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:25 pm**

Oh that thing I was going to say closer to EoD.

Was just going to make note of the fact that Lime Coke left some pretty bad spew in Cyberpunk that let me correctly narrow down the last wolf as a spectator to exactly Wilgy without reading the game in great detail.

Spew reads from a D1 flipped wolf are something to be very, very cautious of as misclears there are often the cause of lost games but I think for Lime in particular spending a bit of time looking at how he approached people early on and how others approached him might benefit us. Just take clearing people on spew alone with a pinch of salt (especially later on).

Just stuff I wanted to out this in case we flip Lime and he's wolfing + I die.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:26 pm**

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

For fun.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm**

Wilgy might be one of my top town reads all of a sudden. I just thoroughly buy his hunt as real.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:26 pm [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

For fun.

Please tell me this isn't a your real vote.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:28 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm Wilgy might be one of my top town reads all of a sudden. I just thoroughly buy his hunt as real.

Savory steak pocket!

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:28 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:26 pm [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

For fun.
Please tell me this isn't a your real vote.

Oh, but of course it is.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:29 pm**

Great.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:30 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:29 pmGreat.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:30 pm**

I can't help but worry about opening up ties and then by extension self-vote silliness. But we have a half hour.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:31 pm**

A silly gamestate is 9 times out of 10 a pro T gamestate. See champs 2023 game 1 d1. We went full silly.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:32 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:31 pm A silly gamestate is 9 times out of 10 a pro T gamestate. See champs 2023 game 1 d1. We went full silly.

I'm not sure that game ended in a town win because of that silliness, but sure it worked out in the end.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:35 pm**

A lot of my legacy is just under the assumption that we flip Lime Coke and he flips wolf which is the most likely scenario where I die.

Kate is the most likely wolf, followed by Epi/Quin followed a large gap then Wilgy and Abigail.

Falcon's almost always town. Michelle/JJJ very likely to be town but scrutinise if alive for too long. Roxy probably also just a villager but without quite the same level of confidence.

If we don't flip Lime then my legacy is that he's a wolf.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:36 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:43 pm My first instinct with Epi/Abigail is that they don't fit together. Epignosis has a long history of avoiding bussing, especially if it is unnecessary (and I don't believe Abigail had received votes until he showed up if I recall correctly). I welcome discussion on that, because it is the only thing Epi has done to this point apart from a blind Quin vote.
Fwiw I don't know the game but I'm under the impression that the two were w/w in a recent game on this site.

I was the moderator on duty in a game recently, but we've never been teammates to my memory.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:37 pm**

Yeah, uh.

We're really just opening ourselves up here to the wolves having a lot of control over which wagon flips regardless of who you really think is a wolf even if we assume self vote silliness doesn't happen which might be a big assumption.

I'd rather flip the guy who's basically been lolcatting and not the person who could very plausibly just be town.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:38 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:36 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:43 pm My first instinct with Epi/Abigail is that they don't fit together. Epignosis has a long history of avoiding bussing, especially if it is unnecessary (and I don't believe Abigail had received votes until he showed up if I recall correctly). I welcome discussion on that, because it is the only thing Epi has done to this point apart from a blind Quin vote.
Fwiw I don't know the game but I'm under the impression that the two were w/w in a recent game on this site.
I was the moderator on duty in a game recently, but we've never been teammates to my memory.

Might have misinterpreted something then, mb.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:38 pm**

Lime Coke is easily my top choice to eliminate today.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:39 pm**

Epi, can I sell you on the fact that you're on the counterwagon to somebody who is very, very likely to be a wolf? You might have the deciding vote if you switch.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:39 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:58 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:53 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:45 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:04 am [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOUNG MAN!?
Pointing this out as another point where I think town-Lime Coke would have tried to engage with me instead of superficially react but stay way clear of defending himself / trying to read me / trying to actually engage me.

(Lime Coke's post here with the big text is a joke response for people who weren't aware).
I concur.

Broadly.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:03 am I've got something pretty important to say but I want to save it until close to EoD, somebody please remind me in case I forget.

Reminder! @Wiml

(Maybe it's helpful being perpetually five pages or more behind)

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm**

Don't let Wiml bully you Epi. You do what you want fam. You're beautiful.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:03 am I've got something pretty important to say but I want to save it until close to EoD, somebody please remind me in case I forget.
Reminder! @Wiml

(Maybe it's helpful being perpetually five pages or more behind)

Ty, just posted it above since it was about Lime Coke spew.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 pm**

If Lime Coke is mafia:

Kate is my top suspect. Epignosis will have to answer for failing to address Lime Coke at all. Quin is also fishy. Kate > Epi = Quin would be my top three.

If Lime Coke is town:

The game is in legitimate jeopardy. Hold everyone's butt to the fire and play hard enough to give town a chance. Mountainous is rarely easy, and I expect a difficult game ahead if this comes to pass. You can still trust some of your initial intuitions and judgments, but be sure to really think through things, talk to each other, and make decisions as a team to the best of your ability. Don't splinter and play in your own bubbles.

If Lime Coke is not eliminated:

He should have been.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:42 pm**

If Lime Coke is mafia and there has been a bus, the most likely is probably Abigail. There doesn't have to be a bus, but always do your due diligence.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:42 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 pm If Lime Coke is mafia:

Kate is my top suspect. Epignosis will have to answer for failing to address Lime Coke at all. Quin is also fishy. Kate > Epi = Quin would be my top three.

If Lime Coke is town:

The game is in legitimate jeopardy. Hold everyone's butt to the fire and play hard enough to give town a chance. Mountainous is rarely easy, and I expect a difficult game ahead if this comes to pass. You can still trust some of your initial intuitions and judgments, but be sure to really think through things, talk to each other, and make decisions as a team to the best of your ability. Don't splinter and play in your own bubbles.

If Lime Coke is not eliminated:

He should have been.

+1 to all of this.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:44 pm**

Nah, I'm not Lime Coke's teammate. We'd be having way more fun.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 pm**

Don't think that I'm dying if Lime flips and is town but if I do then I'd be extremely careful not to blindly clear JJJ.

It doesn't guarantee that JJJ is a wolf or anything close to that but it definitely gives cause to scrutinise him carefully.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:44 pm Nah, I'm not Lime Coke's teammate. We'd be having way more fun.

You'd have to prove it by voting him tbh.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:46 pm**

(For legal reasons, obviously not a fully serious post)

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:46 pm**

Blank reads without assocations:

I think these people are town
Michelle
DrWilgy
falcon45ca

I think this person is probably town, and he only falls behind the group above because he must be held to a very high standard. He has displayed impressive range as mafia.
Wiml

I think this person is town with a bit less confidence
Roxy

I think these people seem town but could build a case if I wanted to
Epignosis
Abigail

Good vibes technically, but they aren't worth a ton
Quin

I don't town read this player for anything really
Kate

I read this player as mafia
Lime Coke

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:47 pm**

But please vote Lime Coke lmao.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:47 pm**

@Lime Coke come self pres, it'd be funny

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:48 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:44 pm Nah, I'm not Lime Coke's teammate. We'd be having way more fun.
You'd have to prove it by voting him tbh.

I have no qualms about doing so. I wanted to move by vote away from where I've been sitting anyway. You could say I'm...boooooored.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:48 pm**

*my vote

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:49 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:48 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:44 pm Nah, I'm not Lime Coke's teammate. We'd be having way more fun.
You'd have to prove it by voting him tbh.
I have no qualms about doing so. I wanted to move by vote away from where I've been sitting anyway. You could say I'm...boooooored.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Ty!

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:50 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:48 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:44 pm Nah, I'm not Lime Coke's teammate. We'd be having way more fun.
You'd have to prove it by voting him tbh.
I have no qualms about doing so. I wanted to move by vote away from where I've been sitting anyway. You could say I'm...boooooored.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:50 pm**

I assume you won't have seen it in my response yet but the bored thing is likely NAI from Abigail because I saw it crop up while checking out her wolf games.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:50 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:03 am I've got something pretty important to say but I want to save it until close to EoD, somebody please remind me in case I forget.
Reminder! @Wiml

(Maybe it's helpful being perpetually five pages or more behind)
Ty, just posted it above since it was about Lime Coke spew.

Can I get a link to this? I skimmed and can't find it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:52 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:25 pm Oh that thing I was going to say closer to EoD.

Was just going to make note of the fact that Lime Coke left some pretty bad spew in Cyberpunk that let me correctly narrow down the last wolf as a spectator to exactly Wilgy without reading the game in great detail.

Spew reads from a D1 flipped wolf are something to be very, very cautious of as misclears there are often the cause of lost games but I think for Lime in particular spending a bit of time looking at how he approached people early on and how others approached him might benefit us. Just take clearing people on spew alone with a pinch of salt (especially later on).

Just stuff I wanted to out this in case we flip Lime and he's wolfing + I die.

@Epignosis

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:54 pm**

Mostly just because in Cyberpunk there was at least one player miselimned who seemed blatantly spewed town and the only person who looked like they cared about spew was wolf-Wilgy iirc.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:55 pm**

Anyway, fingers crossed this flips wolf.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:55 pm**

GTH legacy 2/2 would be Lime Coke / Kate

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:56 pm**

I thought that'd be a post telling me why I should be voting Lime Coke.

Posted: **Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:56 pm**

I can't even poke at Wiml's desire for a safe EoD anymore Sadness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 pm If Lime Coke is mafia:

Kate is my top suspect. Epignosis will have to answer for failing to address Lime Coke at all. Quin is also fishy. Kate > Epi = Quin would be my top three.

If Lime Coke is town:

The game is in legitimate jeopardy. Hold everyone's butt to the fire and play hard enough to give town a chance. Mountainous is rarely easy, and I expect a difficult game ahead if this comes to pass. You can still trust some of your initial intuitions and judgments, but be sure to really think through things, talk to each other, and make decisions as a team to the best of your ability. Don't splinter and play in your own bubbles.

If Lime Coke is not eliminated:

He should have been.

If Lime Coke is town, I do think Wiml/Roxy becomes very real within the PoE, but I'd still like to see some Kate resolution. I think Kate is a perfectly valid LC teammate, but I think the only ones who aren't compatible are like Falc/Wiml/Jay/Rox.

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