US National Parks Mafia [DAY 4]

[pyxxy]

Well, as I said, if I had three lynches today, it's Wilgy, Caitlin, pyxxy.

Wilgy has two votes from the latter, and I don't understand why either are voting him.

Wilgy looks more like he's trying to work things out. Caitlin and pyxxy? I don't get that impression compared to him.

And just to be clear, if Wilgy IS mafia, neither of those two get any credit from me for that reason.

Back to back like I'm on the cover of Lethal Weapon
Back to back like I'm Jordan '96, '97, whoa

(ed note: drake's only good song is Controlla)

I know that I get salty and this is why these posts have stuck with me but like

[pyxxy]

Epi I think I remember that you don't link stuff so I'm gonna go find a scum game from you in the master spreadsheet and read it and sleep on it

sorry if that's a bit of a letdown since I appeared unfortunately my stomach reminded me that I check discord and mafia when I got home and thus haven't eaten dinner

[Epignosis]

Well, as I said, if I had three lynches today, it's Wilgy, Caitlin, pyxxy.

Wilgy has two votes from the latter, and I don't understand why either are voting him.

Wilgy looks more like he's trying to work things out. Caitlin and pyxxy? I don't get that impression compared to him.

And just to be clear, if Wilgy IS mafia, neither of those two get any credit from me for that reason.

Back to back like I'm on the cover of Lethal Weapon
Back to back like I'm Jordan '96, '97, whoa

(ed note: drake's only good song is Controlla)

I know that I get salty and this is why these posts have stuck with me but like

I appreciate this.

My first post explains itself. I acknowledge that second one looks like shit. Wilgy's superpower is that I can't get a handle on him. I try and look what happens.

The third post stems from my experience as Wilgy being a busser and being okay being bussed.

[Epignosis]

Epi I think I remember that you don't link stuff so I'm gonna go find a scum game from you in the master spreadsheet and read it and sleep on it

sorry if that's a bit of a letdown since I appeared unfortunately my stomach reminded me that I check discord and mafia when I got home and thus haven't eaten dinner

You're welcome to do that of course. Last time I was bad was Turtles Mafia with Delta I believe. If that helps (I don't think it will for a couple of reasons).

[Epignosis]

Save you some time:

viewtopic.php?t=2535

[Epignosis]

I'm here for 20 more minutes, and then really my ass needs to go to bed.

[Epignosis]

Save you some time:

viewtopic.php?t=2535

Forgot I replaced in on that one:

viewtopic.php?p=1059925#p1059925

[Epignosis]

That my enemy would prefer to face me today is a credit to his soul.

Good night and good luck.

[Long Con]

What even is cashing in chips here, LC?

I don't know. It was pyxxy's words, maybe pyxxy can clarify. Sounded valuable to me.

Also, you posted multiple posts with multiple things I could respond to, but I don't want to build some branching quote tree to discuss each one.

You made some faces at me, but sorry man, those are true statements. Make all the faces you like.

"LC made sure to give himself an out one minute before the Day ended. One minute." The question was asked of me with a minute forty-five left. How is that ME giving an out? I felt like I would probably die, and that is how I felt, and mostly how I still feel.

[Long Con]

Also I'd try to convince you to vote Epi rn but I'm honestly not that sure anymore >.>

Whats your read though on Epi, LC?

I think he is the most likely Wolf if SvS isn't. And I hate to say it,and I'm often wrong and I'm sorry Epi.

I mean, why do you hate to say it if I'm mafia?

Why state you're often wrong?

And why apologize if you've caught me? That's the way the game goes.

And not a shred of explanation.

This is the shittiest post I've seen in this game.

No offense, but damn.

It was rushed because it was in the last minute. I guess that shows? I'm sorry because of the recent game where you were voted out in the end and then the wolves won. It would totally suck if that happened again.

[Long Con]

pyxxy

There's more, but I'm satisfied.

pyxxy is highly compatible as DrWilgy's teammate.

This case was way better than those things you said about me, and I did enjoy some outright mockery, but the rest is just like what you tried to do to Caitlin yesterday. It was not convincing, and neither is your vote for me. I mean, I hope that's pyxxy's opinion on the matter. I [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine because I guess now's a good a time as any.

Epi, you tried to save Wilgy, and pyxxy pushed him over.

[Epignosis]

This is as it should be.

[Long Con]

This is as it should be.

Not if we're both town.

[Epignosis]

What did I try to do to Caitlin? And why did I need to do it?

[Long Con]

You tried to put the most negative spin on her slacking, and then appearing when you started accusing her. Lke I said then, I thought it was normal for someone to make more effort to post when they're defending themselves, but you were repeatedly saying that it was wolfy. That looks like you trying to get a civilian yeeted.

Maybe you needed to do it because after we yeet S~V~S, you are the next most likely wolf, like I said here:

So, damn, down to five already. Basic logic would tell us that it's Epi or SVS.

That was based on you two voting pyxxy with Wilgy.

[Epignosis]

Caitlin only appeared after I changed my stance on S~V~S at the eleventh hour (albeit not permanently, although that issue is now moot). So you're goddamn right I put the most negative spin on it. I'm here to win, not here to let slackers beat me (again).

"Basic logic" here implies bussing doesn't exist.

I also note that you have taken very good care never to say anything negative about pyxxy even in the final five.

[Long Con]

Caitlin only appeared after I changed my stance on S~V~S at the eleventh hour (albeit not permanently, although that issue is now moot). So you're goddamn right I put the most negative spin on it. I'm here to win, not here to let slackers beat me (again).

So, this:



I don't think presenting information with an artificially inflated level of negativity is the ideal method, I would counter it with honest analysis over aggressive assumption of guilt.

"Basic logic" here implies bussing doesn't exist.

Not from Epignosis. Except that one time. This is well-known. You would always vote to save a teammate, especially when the time was that tight in a tie situation.

I also note that you have taken very good care never to say anything negative about pyxxy even in the final five.

Haven't I? One of my biggest paranoias about pyxxy is that they decided in wolf chat with Wilgy at the very end of the Wilgy yeet, that they should just bus each other, and the attitude of his vote post feels like it could be thread-directed of chat-directed:

fine vote wilgy

My imagination likes to frame it as partially toward Wilgy's prodding in wolf chat to do so.

But that's so tinfoily. Feels like it could be real.

[Long Con]

No slackers left to beat you. We both win in that regard. When you invoke it, though, I do get the feeling that it's an attempt to get me aligned with you, since you know I was also upset that happened.

[Epignosis]

No slackers left to beat you. We both win in that regard. When you invoke it, though, I do get the feeling that it's an attempt to get me aligned with you, since you know I was also upset that happened.

Weren't you on the winning team when that happened?

[Long Con]

No slackers left to beat you. We both win in that regard. When you invoke it, though, I do get the feeling that it's an attempt to get me aligned with you, since you know I was also upset that happened.

Weren't you on the winning team when that happened?

No - you, Robyn and I lost to Wilgy and DM, I think?

[Epignosis]

Caitlin only appeared after I changed my stance on S~V~S at the eleventh hour (albeit not permanently, although that issue is now moot). So you're goddamn right I put the most negative spin on it. I'm here to win, not here to let slackers beat me (again).

So, this:



I don't think presenting information with an artificially inflated level of negativity is the ideal method, I would counter it with honest analysis over aggressive assumption of guilt.

But you didn't do anything with Caitlin on Day 3. I did.

"Basic logic" here implies bussing doesn't exist.

Not from Epignosis. Except that one time. This is well-known. You would always vote to save a teammate, especially when the time was that tight in a tie situation.

I don't always vote to save a teammate. That's silly. I don't bus (as a general rule). There's a huge difference there.

You should know this.

If I'm mafia, all I need to do is keep my trap shut about Caitlin, lynch S~V~S, and then throw up my hands and lynch pyxxy.

I'm not doing that. I'm voting you- going against my strongest civilian pick in the game so far.

For you to be right, this is what you're saying my plan has been:

1) Call Wilgy mafia
2) Not vote him (thereby abandoning the credit that comes with killing my own teammate)
3) Plan to vote S~V~S and then pyxxy, making cases on both
4) Eschew that plan based on one post S~V~S made to bring Caitlin back from the dead
5) Spend two hours going back and forth with Caitlin only to vote S~V~S anyway
6) KILL Caitlin
7) Leaving me with you and pyxxy for today

That's the worst strategy I can possibly think of.

I also note that you have taken very good care never to say anything negative about pyxxy even in the final five.

Haven't I? One of my biggest paranoias about pyxxy is that they decided in wolf chat with Wilgy at the very end of the Wilgy yeet, that they should just bus each other, and the attitude of his vote post feels like it could be thread-directed of chat-directed:

fine vote wilgy

My imagination likes to frame it as partially toward Wilgy's prodding in wolf chat to do so.

But that's so tinfoily. Feels like it could be real.

What your paranoia is and what your imagination likes to frame is not what's in the thread.

[Epignosis]

No slackers left to beat you. We both win in that regard. When you invoke it, though, I do get the feeling that it's an attempt to get me aligned with you, since you know I was also upset that happened.

Weren't you on the winning team when that happened?

No - you, Robyn and I lost to Wilgy and DM, I think?

You'd have to give me the name of the game.

[Long Con]

For you to be right, this is what you're saying my plan has been...

I don't recall saying I thought you had a plan at all.

[Long Con]

No slackers left to beat you. We both win in that regard. When you invoke it, though, I do get the feeling that it's an attempt to get me aligned with you, since you know I was also upset that happened.

Weren't you on the winning team when that happened?

No - you, Robyn and I lost to Wilgy and DM, I think?

You'd have to give me the name of the game.

Timelines.

[pyxxy]

working late today but I'll have time late evening before midnight PT and then on all day tomorrow, have not read yet

[Epignosis]

No slackers left to beat you. We both win in that regard. When you invoke it, though, I do get the feeling that it's an attempt to get me aligned with you, since you know I was also upset that happened.

Weren't you on the winning team when that happened?

No - you, Robyn and I lost to Wilgy and DM, I think?

You'd have to give me the name of the game.

Timelines.

Oh yeah. It's all coming back to me.

[Epignosis]

I'll be back later this evening.

[Epignosis]

Also I'd try to convince you to vote Epi rn but I'm honestly not that sure anymore >.>

Whats your read though on Epi, LC?

I think he is the most likely Wolf if SvS isn't. And I hate to say it,and I'm often wrong and I'm sorry Epi.

I mean, why do you hate to say it if I'm mafia?

Why state you're often wrong?

And why apologize if you've caught me? That's the way the game goes.

And not a shred of explanation.

This is the shittiest post I've seen in this game.

No offense, but damn.

It was rushed because it was in the last minute. I guess that shows? I'm sorry because of the recent game where you were voted out in the end and then the wolves won. It would totally suck if that happened again.

Okay, I take this back.

You were asked this one minute prior.

[Epignosis]

Still don't understand why that was your answer beyond "Basic Logic." TM

You had a whole day to question me and you never did.

[Epignosis]

But if I'm being fair on that account, pyxxy didn't either.

Damn you lazy bums. The lot of you.

[Epignosis]

Let's go through all the civilians who have died and see their opinions. Shall we?

[Epignosis]

folks as the official DM godreader

I gotta say this looks like town DM

Just letting you know.^

fair

but

can I cash in some "trust me" chips with you? you've seen me be on a tear lately

its mute if hes wolf like i have a feeling he is

dr wilgy and epi hate it that im right so theyd rather a town be lynched

pyxxy just know you are my fav

DarlingMonroe says Long Con is mafia and pyxxy is a civilian.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: lc] aubergine

Falcon thought Long Con was mafia.

Falcon died Night 1.

[Epignosis]

Likewise @Long Con assuming Wilgy is town, where do you go from there?

Why am I assuming that? Is this a hypothetical exercise?

[Epignosis]

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Covered it yesterday but if he's mafia, he's adding so many extra steps to how he's approaching things to the point it feels unnecessary. Like the vote on me being because he found I blanked him over just saying he's shielding DM; as mafia I'd assume the latter would be the explanation given. Backreading EOD1 his defence does feel genuine so shrug
I have also liked his d2 and how he's approached things.

Delta trusted pyxxy.

[Epignosis]

I think LC towntold hard earlier and that's a read I'm more sure on going into EOD, but in saying that it's like 'damn was the wagon on me pure? that sucks lol' because I'm unsure on Pyxxy flipping wolf

This is in LC's favor.

[Epignosis]

I lost my damn place with Delta because I have to pee.

[Epignosis]

LC has had moments that dont seem faked, Epi has had moments that dont seem faked, Pyxxy has had moments that dont seem faked

We're all real ones.

[Epignosis]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

As someone who is never in the townxore, I strongly disagree. Look what it took to get any consideration, I had to cry like a bitch.

I think that as someone who never gets into that list, it's a testament to how amazing your skills as mafia are.

Or...you know...

...you're just polarized.

That's like the latest cool slang, isn't it?

I do like that angle, I've been beleaguered town so often since my return... I just don't know.

I used to always, and I mean *always* read you as bad, as far back as the Piano and LP. After watching you in Severance, I realized what it was. You have almost a showman like quality; you always seem on the verge of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. And I picture Sawyer pulling out that rabbit (the name, and it's not an insult, he was always my favorite Lostie). But I did read it as bad, which is my problem, not yours. Now that I'm aware of it, I can see past it.

And for now, I might sheep you because you make the most sense to me at this point from what I have read, and I did not have as much reading time today as I would have liked.

Epi made that one post that felt a bit waffly to me, but I don't know he would have made it after the last game we played, I'm still a bit butthurt over that one lol. I think bad Epi would have kissed up to me more. So I would rather not vote for him, although I haven't seen what i view as town Epi, I haven't seen bad Epi, either. As for Caitlin, her day zero trying to make something out of very little can tend to read bad for me, but trying to start conversation is good, so I would rather not vote for her, either at this point.

So for now I'm considering a Pyxxy vote, I want to vote for someone that already has votes, but I have reason to not vote Caitlin or Epi. If the vote shifts to Wilgy, I could consider that too. I tend to read abrasive Wilgy as town Wilgy, and Wilgy knows that, and he was somewhat more abrasive than needed with me with that doody remark lol. But Pyxxys Wilgy vote actually inexplicably (look Epi, double adverb!) made me feel better about Wilgy.

I will try to pop in after dinner before eod, but can't guarantee it, so I'd rather vote now than not vote at all. So sheeping LC, and [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine.

S~V~S ended up voting against pyxxy.

[Epignosis]

Yeah, that exercise didn't move the needle for me.

[Epignosis]

Falcon voted LC and died N1.

LC accused Wilgy of killing Falcon and right after backtracked on that claim.

[Long Con]

Caitlin only appeared after I changed my stance on S~V~S at the eleventh hour (albeit not permanently, although that issue is now moot). So you're goddamn right I put the most negative spin on it. I'm here to win, not here to let slackers beat me (again).

So, this:



I don't think presenting information with an artificially inflated level of negativity is the ideal method, I would counter it with honest analysis over aggressive assumption of guilt.

But you didn't do anything with Caitlin on Day 3. I did.

I read it all and responded with my thoughts at the end of the Day. But when I said "I would counter it" I meant as an argument, not as a description of my actions.

"Basic logic" here implies bussing doesn't exist.

Not from Epignosis. Except that one time. This is well-known. You would always vote to save a teammate, especially when the time was that tight in a tie situation.

I don't always vote to save a teammate. That's silly. I don't bus (as a general rule). There's a huge difference there.

You should know this.

"Always" in that specific situation. Not always every game. I mean in this two-man team, with that vote layout, with that time crunch, I would always bet on you making the move to try and keep your teammate alive, and not on you bussing them. You're not even acknowledging that you have asserted this attitude many times over the years, I think it's a source of pride for you, often coupled with a disdain of bussing. Or am I just imagining that?

If I'm mafia, all I need to do is keep my trap shut about Caitlin, lynch S~V~S, and then throw up my hands and lynch pyxxy.

Except the more likely lynch after S~V~S was you, despite you declaring it would be a pyxxy lynch.

I'm not doing that. I'm voting you- going against my strongest civilian pick in the game so far.

Yes, it is quite a polar shift from "Best Mafia Award" to "look at all this evidence he's bad".

[Long Con]

Falcon voted LC and died N1.

LC accused Wilgy of killing Falcon and right after backtracked on that claim.

It wasn't a backtrack. It was an admission that it was vibes.

[Epignosis]

If I get lynched after S~V~S, civilians lose. It's game over.

[Epignosis]

I am still super impressed with whichever one of you killed Caitlin. That's ballsy as hell.

[Long Con]

If I get lynched after S~V~S, civilians lose. It's game over.

If that's true, then it's pyxxy.

[Long Con]

... said Captain Obvious.

[pyxxy]

alright

let's do this

[Epignosis]

alright

let's do this

[Long Con]

alright

let's do this

It doesn't happen automatically just because you said that.