The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.

How's LCs?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.

How's LCs?

Oh, yes please. I don't understand this metaphor yet.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:42 pm Is it equally unlikely that any of the active voters at EoD are Wolf then?

not really? but they're also some of my strongest townreads atm (roxy, rad)

gims wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:42 pm Is it equally unlikely that any of the active voters at EoD are Wolf then?

not really? but they're also some of my strongest townreads atm (roxy, rad)

It was a process of vote-shifting with the folk who were present. Did anyone stand out as *most* hesitant to vote falcon? Was radishes a proponent of the falcon yeet?

I haven't looked back at it yet with the perspective that the game could have been over. What I'd like to see is no indication of that in anyone's undercurrents during that time.

I'll just go look.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:18 pm

gims wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:16 pm I understand the jack posts look bad. I'm not fighting this flip. but imo its really just LC.

@Long Con I think your interest would make more sense to be in debating your alignment with gims than mine with me.

Ok! Looking back at Day 3 and part of a quote that I'm looking at right now (and will post when I figure it out) where Jack says: "Like LC said, we're in position to sleepwalk to a MR yeet..." and I was like "hey yeah, I did say that!" And then (through no influence of mine) the yeet was shifted to Wolf falcon.

But I'm kinda the original guy who said the impending MR yeet (was it 6 votes on him, no other votes on the board?) was something that should at least have a more nuanced approach. Apparently I said something somewhat impactful as it was being quoted.

That is my contribution in the debate on my alignment, thank you Mac for the advice.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:15 pm

gims wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:42 pm Is it equally unlikely that any of the active voters at EoD are Wolf then?

not really? but they're also some of my strongest townreads atm (roxy, rad)

It was a process of vote-shifting with the folk who were present. Did anyone stand out as *most* hesitant to vote falcon? Was radishes a proponent of the falcon yeet?

I haven't looked back at it yet with the perspective that the game could have been over. What I'd like to see is no indication of that in anyone's undercurrents during that time.

I'll just go look.

well, roxy was hesitant, but she had that unexplainable townread on falcon

trying to go from memory: final hour starts, I think, with roxy/falcon/rad at 2 votes, and mac at 1, I think. me/kay/rad/roxy start debating and moving votes around. I vote falcon, rad follows. then I vote mac and both rad and roxy follow. kay goes like 'great, the same wagoners of town!wilgy are voting together and roxy with them?' she bounces off mac and goes back to falcon, making it 3-3. I vote rad (was never keeping that vote at eod and it was just to see how he'd react to letting it rand with mac). rad LEAVES THE MAC WAGON, and goes to a third vote on falcon. I then move to falcon at :59, putting that wagon at 4 votes and deciding the flip.

I think only roxy played as if paired with scum at EOD, but again, I do townread her for other reasons mostly having to do with her posting today.

its too bad she is kinda MIA rn.

ugh sorry roxy voted rad, not falcon. she never voted falcon.

gims wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:32 pm ugh sorry roxy voted rad, not falcon. she never voted falcon.

Oh. That could be significant.

ye thats why i started the gameday with a vote on roxy

It's kind of wild that Jack hasn't posted at all today...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:52 am It's kind of wild that Jack hasn't posted at all today...

Since Wednesday I think.

Jack hiding to avoid spew perhaps

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.

How's LCs?

Not sure it fits either descriptor perfectly. Feels smoother than plinko but more like a calm river than a waterfall.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:22 am Jack hiding to avoid spew perhaps

Hmm. I dont feel like that makes much sense. His survival wasn't exactly out of the question to start the day and there's nobody left alive who he should be confident enough in carrying through f3 to justify that. I'd say it's more likely he's the last mafia and decided he can't win or he just lost interest (after a wolf flip he was part of...). Latter doesn't really vibe either.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.

How's LCs?

Not sure it fits either descriptor perfectly. Feels smoother than plinko but more like a calm river than a waterfall.

So, does Plinko mean that the person is jumping from topic to topic, unfocused, and reaching a conclusion in a dubious way? As opposed to a waterfall that has an easily followable flow of ideas that naturally lead to a conclusion?

Or is Plinko a style that just pops up here and there in the thread, and the waterfall is present for longer exchanges?

It's not that I don't get metaphors, I've just never heard this one and I feel like I could interpret it in several ways.

jack bounced from the game lmao

what do we do now

i dont think this is a play whatsoever, like, jack isnt giving up as scum, this is something NAI

roxy also gone from the game it seems, its only the 4 of us yapping atm

sucks that I lowkey townread everyone playing lol

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:40 am jack bounced from the game lmao

what do we do now

i dont think this is a play whatsoever, like, jack isnt giving up as scum, this is something NAI

roxy also gone from the game it seems, its only the 4 of us yapping atm

sucks that I lowkey townread everyone playing lol

Three hours left. It just seems like it's Jack and Roxy at this point. Even if it's just one of them, I don't think their teammate among we four is doing much to push either way. I guess maybe Mac could be with Roxy, and going for Jack.

I went back and looked at Mac's posts for Roxy interaction, and just from reading through his posts I felt like "ok, he's probably Town". Then there seemed to be a notable lack of Roxy interaction, alarmingly little at first. Thought I "had something".

Then I saw this post:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:33 pm Eh don't overreact to roxy's ate gims... she goes over next for certain.

I largely agree with your first solve. After reading the eod yesterday I think Roxy/LC are the most likely. Falcon spewed MR town imo. Jack was critical to Falcon going over and did not need to townside.

@Roxy can you talk to me about why you townread Falcon so much please?

@Master Radishes can you explain why you tried so hard to push Roxy over Falcon?

... and I realized that the whole latest page of Mac's ISO if from when Roxy wasn't present. So that explains that.

Then this:

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:54 pm voted Mac tho scary to vote with radish LC voted there and he got us Scotty.

... and I don't think Mac and Roxy are the Wolves. Roxy almost certainly is, she was willing to do anything BUT vote falcon, read EoD again with that in mind and she looks bad.

It's just lame to go Jack and Roxy right now, but it's not Radishes or gims, it cannot be, they are the architects of falcon's demise in the last seconds of the Day.

I mean we can kill Roxy if you guys really want...

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:05 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.

How's LCs?

Not sure it fits either descriptor perfectly. Feels smoother than plinko but more like a calm river than a waterfall.

So, does Plinko mean that the person is jumping from topic to topic, unfocused, and reaching a conclusion in a dubious way? As opposed to a waterfall that has an easily followable flow of ideas that naturally lead to a conclusion?

Or is Plinko a style that just pops up here and there in the thread, and the waterfall is present for longer exchanges?

It's not that I don't get metaphors, I've just never heard this one and I feel like I could interpret it in several ways.

More of the first one. In other words wolves bounce their reads around like a plinko board and can be jarring or awkward, whereas towny thoughts may seem messy at the time but across an iso they flow like a waterfall if you take a step back and look.

Or something. There was an article on MU a few years ago. I don't prescribe to it more than any other tactic for finding town or scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:34 am It's just lame to go Jack and Roxy right now, but it's not Radishes or gims, it cannot be, they are the architects of falcon's demise in the last seconds of the Day.

glad you got there chief!

I suppose we could go roxy since she peaced out from the game and that looks more alignment indicative than jack poofing from existence

idk. I'll be around. kinda trust all of you atm? which is probably not a great thing.

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:31 am I suppose we could go roxy since she peaced out from the game and that looks more alignment indicative than jack poofing from existence

idk. I'll be around. kinda trust all of you atm? which is probably not a great thing.

We could go Jack and save Roxy for tomorrow.

Are there two-Wolf scenarios we should be cnosidering, or should we just assume the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised? Probably the latter.

What if we kill one of them, and it's a Wolf, and the other doesn't show up, and there's still a nightkill?

Bad timing for a day phase. 7 pings. 4 votes. What is happening?

geez

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:10 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:44 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 8:50 pm vote: jack

while I don't have an alignment read on Jack, I get the feeling that pressuring him on D1 is not going to be fruitful

I have no explanation for this besides my gut

pyxxy's Maf

I mean he's objectively correct. Idk what you want, man.

damn that Falcon post is pretty wild

yeah fuck it

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:41 pm I am now 100% certain Jack is mafia fwiw. Ama.

Jack agrees that he's unyeetable and therefore pressure is worthless. Ergo, Jack is mafia.

oh lmao

welcome to day... 4? mate

day 5? i forgor

yes we're killing you. get very townie please.

where have you been since Thursday?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:08 am No team I can imagine kills Porcha (or Pyxxy) and then Tony.

Jack's NKA here comes from a place of hoping he can find a slam dunk false positive case on town but when he can't he simply takes refuge in the truth.

The truth that...I can't imagine a mafia team that makes the kills....when I'm on the mafia team that made those kills?

What?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:39 am where have you been since Thursday?

Watching wrestling and harry potter (the later against my will) mostly.

But also hiding easter eggs and doing sleepover dropoffs.

hi jack get townie so we can kill roxy today thx

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:05 pm Whole way through he's looking to build himself an avenue away from falcon.

At least Radishes makes a case that makes sense.

It's wrong, though. The shit I said about my own tendency to read Falcon wrong is 100% true and you can go back 20 games and see town Jack just constantly pick wrong on Falcon and waffle all over the place on trying to read him and often punt.

At the end of the day, the best case was on Falcon and so I voted for Falcon. Heaven forbid.

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am hi jack get townie so we can kill roxy today thx

We're not killing Roxy either. That can be my legacy. Roxy is always town that doesn't have to get yeeted. I'm town that probably gets misyeeted eventually just by virtue of being myself.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:46 am

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am hi jack get townie so we can kill roxy today thx

We're not killing Roxy either. That can be my legacy. Roxy is always town that doesn't have to get yeeted. I'm town that probably gets misyeeted eventually just by virtue of being myself.

I say that but tbf, I haven't done any post Falcon death analysis.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:46 am

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am hi jack get townie so we can kill roxy today thx

We're not killing Roxy either. That can be my legacy. Roxy is always town that doesn't have to get yeeted. I'm town that probably gets misyeeted eventually just by virtue of being myself.

if its three scums there's no legacy you're just flipping and then we're losing

you have to solve. there's a gun against your head and you either find scum or we lose the game! isnt that fun happy easter partner...

gims wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:52 pm Feel free to continue to highlight the "obviously town" things in his iso but the spectre of your Jack townread being the reason you've survived the game thus far looms large also.

I didn't understand the latter part of this post

oh, I think our styles clash very hard. I think you're really just town, which helps both of us solve our PoEs. but I disagree with how youre solving now on a fundamental level and I'm unsure if I can communicate with you effectively.

check the progression jack has before voting falcon. its about people in the POE he had in his mind that he was striking as probtown based off night actions. that comes after the post you highlighted about not knowing what scum team would make the kills they made (fmpov, I think reading into it should be absolutely secundary to reading the slots atm). he then concludes, correctly as it turns out, that falcon is a good place to put your vote. that whole thing feels like genuinely coming to a conclusion, and not something fake. im highlighting one of them but I think there are plenty of those moments in jack's ISO.

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:49 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:46 am

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am hi jack get townie so we can kill roxy today thx

We're not killing Roxy either. That can be my legacy. Roxy is always town that doesn't have to get yeeted. I'm town that probably gets misyeeted eventually just by virtue of being myself.

if its three scums there's no legacy you're just flipping and then we're losing

you have to solve. there's a gun against your head and you either find scum or we lose the game! isnt that fun happy easter partner...

lol I didn't wanna do laundry or watch Seth vs Roman vs Punk anyway

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:56 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:05 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I think this is a wolf who wanted to look fluid and busy at EoD

Is falcon ever fluid as Maf?



Not in my experience, but I'll leave it up to the class



I noticed you quoted yourself, are you able to interact w others and their reads on you?

Good look for Radishes imo.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:51 am Sigh.

I see where LC is coming from but I also think we need to chop MR cuz I think the Wilgy c/w only rly makes sense if MR is mafia?

I don't even see "where I was coming from" there. The KJQ suspicion? The "we need more activity" gripe?

I don't think I said anything deep enough to warrant anyone trying sympathize my point if view, and I think you are suspicious fir it, you're working the room. Don't like it.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Leading the charge, eh?



Let's see what this does [VOTE: mac] aubergine



@MacDougall Let's go on a canoe ride

Probably a good look for both LC and Mac. More LC than Mac because wolves bus but they don't tend to be like "Okay, I'm following you, bud" to a partner but they love to do it to town even though it always looks sus in hindsight.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:16 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:08 am If anybody is willing to do GTH top 3 reads it would be appreciated.

Mine for baddies:

radish
gims
Mac? Not really feeling this as strong as the others

I'm your huckleberry,



GTH Maf: MR, Mac, Jack



GTH Town: Roxy, KJ, LC



Talk to me about gims, what's behind your read?

Wild reads.

Who is left? Radishes, Mac, Roxy, KJQ, LC. Only leaves out Gims.



I'll come back to this.

You generally shouldn't iso backwards but what the hell I'm this far into it why not test it?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:04 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

My kingdom for MU's votecount at the time function

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:29 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:28 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:49 am When I pop into the thread I think 'who is that in the corner of my eye'.

Maybe it's falcon instead.

Maybe it's Maybelline



What's your take on Mac? He's been pushing you, and it feels like you kinda enjoy the locker he's trying to stuff you in



I don't know that I've seen you say much, if anything, about him. Why is that?

I tend to wait a bit to read Mac. He becomes clearer by D3 ish imo. His push on me felt too confident at first and he's a bit one track mind, but I think I'd expect scum Mac to bounce around more by now to imitate his town game, leaving me to consider he might believe it.

Holy waffle take Bat-Man!



Zounds!

Okay, like, as much as it is wrong, Mac's "Jack wants to put a difference check on two townies, MR and Mac" kinda does look like it's happening here. Good look for Radishes regardless.

Weird to follow up this "I think MR is waffling on taking a stand on Mac" with a vote for Wilgy but like idk what the votes were exactly like then and I don't know that its worthwhile to find out since I have an hour.

Should I solve based on 2 wolves or 1? I think there is 1 but if 2, its 4 vs 2 and I literally lose the game here by being wrong. So maybe I look for 2 and if there are two maybe I find them and if there aren't I find there aren't and can even be yeeted.

oh btw roxy is moving her vote around but isn't posting

is this mafia

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:06 pm oh btw roxy is moving her vote around but isn't posting

is this mafia

Like a lot?

Like in a "I'm silenced and I hope somebody notices" way or in a "fucking I'm not gonna participate beyond voting" kinda way?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:09 pm

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:06 pm oh btw roxy is moving her vote around but isn't posting

is this mafia

Like a lot?

Like in a "I'm silenced and I hope somebody notices" way or in a "fucking I'm not gonna participate beyond voting" kinda way?

I think the latter cause she was voting mac and now she voted me, and I think both votes are without participating ye

it doesnt seem like scum ploy but its still very weird attitude, its not like we've been antagonizing roxy or anything or why she is pissed

Oh man I didn't notice KJQ was dead but yes nightkills are a thing, me.

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:09 pm

gims wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:06 pm oh btw roxy is moving her vote around but isn't posting

is this mafia

Like a lot?

Like in a "I'm silenced and I hope somebody notices" way or in a "fucking I'm not gonna participate beyond voting" kinda way?

I think the latter cause she was voting mac and now she voted me, and I think both votes are without participating ye

it doesnt seem like scum ploy but its still very weird attitude, its not like we've been antagonizing roxy or anything or why she is pissed

Roxy does have a bit of a temper. (Emphasis on the word bit. As in not moreso than me or Mac.) I can see her being like "fuck this game." I have a hard time seeing it from her as a wolf. I have a hard time seeing it from her as a townie after we yeet a wolf and she's not getting a bunch of pressure.

Unless I missed her saying she's sure I'm town, her getting told to fuck off and so she fucked off in anger cause that could do it.