The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, sorry to say I couldn't go back and re-read, I literally have like no time, I barely have enough time to keep up with the thread. Though I do think the way people avoided voting Mongoose D1 after they mentioned something about her and then THREW THEIR VOTE AWAY (S~V~S, Bass, Devin, I'm looking at you -- at least Elo is consistent, you bunch are pinging me) should be looked at. I will be looking at them whenever I have tiome, probably Monday after work or maybe Sunday evening after I get home.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Devin.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I will vote anyone Epi votes for this time (as long as it's within the range of people I am thinking of).

I have not voted. Why have you?

I'm actually quite concerned that you haven't voted yet. You're not misleading us are you?

Summer wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

When you say if Mongoose is bad, there are leads to her teammates, do you mean people who have suspected her, trying to distance themselves, or people who have been defending her? Because I think it would still be safe this early to defend a scum – bud at this point. Normally, it's cut and run, but I've seen scum stick by each other to the bitter end.

Epignosis wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Devin.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I will vote anyone Epi votes for this time (as long as it's within the range of people I am thinking of).

I have not voted. Why have you?

I'm actually quite concerned that you haven't voted yet. You're not misleading us are you?

Sometimes I make a big case on someone to see who will latch onto it.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epig you know MP pretty good if I'm not mistaken how do you feel about him so far in this game?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

I disagree with almost everything.

Can you explain what and why? You might give me a different perspective.

1. You gave about 5 impressions. I would call that "some" and not "just a few". And I'm sure you've had more to say before.

2. I believe MP is civ, his play is kosher to me so far.

3. Well self-deprecation aside, my first impression of me is good, and I've felt ok about Dom. If I may ask: What was your first impression in reaction to?

4. I don't think that's why you're not suspicious of Mongoose.

5 and 6. I'm not trusting most still. SVS and Epi included.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

But what? What happened that can't be ignored? And then you suggest we pawn her off as the rezzer's problem if she ends up being good. Way to have zero accountability for your vote with that comment, Mata. I wasn't looking your way at all before this post of yours, but it's hitting a bunch of my buttons.

Matahari wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

But what? What happened that can't be ignored? And then you suggest we pawn her off as the rezzer's problem if she ends up being good. Way to have zero accountability for your vote with that comment, Mata. I wasn't looking your way at all before this post of yours, but it's hitting a bunch of my buttons.

TH, I made a posts about the things I wasn't ignoring yesterday. Try the intopic button if you missed my post.

Matahari wrote:SVS, I don't think the mishaps around mongoose made her good or bad; but it was how she reacted afterwards, very flustered, and that someone may have come to her rescue, AP. Those were the things made me think she might be bad.

These are just feels, which amount to guesses in some people's estimation. Feels can change, but

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

But what? What happened that can't be ignored? And then you suggest we pawn her off as the rezzer's problem if she ends up being good. Way to have zero accountability for your vote with that comment, Mata. I wasn't looking your way at all before this post of yours, but it's hitting a bunch of my buttons.

TH, I made a posts about the things I wasn't ignoring yesterday. Try the intopic button if you missed my post.

Is this the post you're talking about, Mata?

Matahari wrote:SVS, I don't think the mishaps around mongoose made her good or bad; but it was how she reacted afterwards, very flustered, and that someone may have come to her rescue, AP. Those were the things made me think she might be bad.

These are just feels, which amount to guesses in some people's estimation. Feels can change, but

So mainly you're saying you're not suspicious of Mongoose for the actual Crosspostgate. But yet you think that AP came to her rescue, and you think Mongoose's reaction to the incident is suspicious.

Just to be clear, you think that AP, a person who hasn't made any noteworthy posts that weren't simply trying to incite chaos and randomness, came to the defense of the only player that was taking any real sort of heat at the time?

Do you really think that's likely?

And yes, your post hit my buttons. You currently have what I consider to be the flimsiest excuse for voting Mongoose.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, sorry to say I couldn't go back and re-read, I literally have like no time, I barely have enough time to keep up with the thread. Though I do think the way people avoided voting Mongoose D1 after they mentioned something about her and then THREW THEIR VOTE AWAY (S~V~S, Bass, Devin, I'm looking at you -- at least Elo is consistent, you bunch are pinging me) should be looked at. I will be looking at them whenever I have tiome, probably Monday after work or maybe Sunday evening after I get home.

Bullzeye wrote:So I notice people who think Epi made good points about me also conveniently neglected to comment on my response. I also find it kinda weird how a handful of people seem to have latched on to him... Still not sure who I'll vote for today, but there's plenty of time yet.

Matahari wrote:Do I need a strong excuse to vote for someone on day 2? I noticed that one person today, who hasn't even been playing, dropped in and voted mongoose out of the blue. Where was your outrage over that?

Matahari wrote:For the record, you, MP, and MR are solid believers in mongooses innocence. Did I miss any others?

Turnip Head wrote: This is an inaccurate portrayal of my stance on the subject. I'm not a solid believer in Mongoose's innocence. I just do not think any logical case has been made against her. And I find the people who are bandwagonning on her to be way way more suspicious than Mongoose herself.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Do I need a strong excuse to vote for someone on day 2? I noticed that one person today, who hasn't even been playing, dropped in and voted mongoose out of the blue. Where was your outrage over that?

Well I missed that vote, whoever it was. And sorry if I don't have time to accuse everyone!

Matahari wrote:For the record, you, MP, and MR are solid believers in mongooses innocence. Did I miss any others?

This is an inaccurate portrayal of my stance on the subject. I'm not a solid believer in Mongoose's innocence. I just do not think any logical case has been made against her. And I find the people who are bandwagonning on her to be way way more suspicious than Mongoose herself.

FZ. wrote:I looked at the roles, and I was under the impression that the civ that could do that to K4J could only do it on night 3. Deflect on night 1, silence on night 2, and make someone crazy on night 3. And then all over again. Is that not what the role implies?
If it does, than that would imply it was a baddie who did this, and then, either K4J was very intuitive in his suspicions, and the baddies wanted to shut him up, but it just makes people trust him more, so why? Or K4J is a baddie and his team decided to do it to make him look like a civ. Or, it's one of the Ksiters that thought it would be funny to shut him up. Another option I see is someone wanting to frame one of the Ksiters.....or none of the above.

I'm sorry, I'm having a really hard time keeping up with two games, and no break like we're used to at nights. This is a major overload.

I'm not going to be here for the next 30+ hours, so I'm going to vote now. I'm going with Sorsha, because her game is pure fluff and OT, and I've seen absolutely nothing from her so far. Sorry I'm not coming up with anything more than that, but I can't keep up.

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:So I notice people who think Epi made good points about me also conveniently neglected to comment on my response. I also find it kinda weird how a handful of people seem to have latched on to him... Still not sure who I'll vote for today, but there's plenty of time yet.

Actually, i don't think you are bad, or at least, not for the reasons Epi stated. You might be, but i dont particularly think so at this point. Based on her theorizing about why we had no SK kill, I think she may be a lone baddie. I don't think a vote for her is a blanket endorsement of Epis opinions.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:So I notice people who think Epi made good points about me also conveniently neglected to comment on my response. I also find it kinda weird how a handful of people seem to have latched on to him... Still not sure who I'll vote for today, but there's plenty of time yet.

Actually, i don't think you are bad, or at least, not for the reasons Epi stated. You might be, but i dont particularly think so at this point. Based on her theorizing about why we had no SK kill, I think she may be a lone baddie. I don't think a vote for her is a blanket endorsement of Epis opinions.

Well that's good, because I'm not bad and the points made against me aren't even that good. Even Epig himself has ignored my reply, I guess I just disproved his comments or it doesn't suit him to respond. I'm gonna vote *Devin* because out of the people who've latched on to Epig (which I find weird in itself), he's the most eye catching in my opinion.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:The way I saw it, Epi and Mongoose were barely responsible for dominating the discussion. It was everyone else that made their tiff a big deal. I've only played one game with Epi but it took me roughly 12 seconds to realize that he stirs the pot for reactions. He certainly gets some.

I'd like to hear more on this TH. does this cause you to look at anyone in particular?

It caused me to look at Summer, whom I made a post about. It seems though that this post from MR is actually the one that led us down this path (finally found it):

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Mongoose, I don't believe you ever answered my question on the previous page.

Why do you feel Epi voted for you?

Sorry, I totally missed that.

I am not sure, but they are motivated reasons. He can read me pretty good as civ when hardly anyone else did (Exhibit A: The Island over on RM), so I'm pretty sure he knows I'm not bad.

So you essentially say he knows you're not bad. Now, I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'll ask: that should also suggest to you that he knows this because he's bad, correct?

Yet you're hardly confronting him head on about this and building a case or even placing your vote and confidence in that direction?

I think people are misinterpreting what Mongoose said here - that Epi's reasons for voting her were motivated - as some sort of weird sign that Epi knows her role 100% and is thus bad. I don't think that's what Mongoose was trying to say here. I think she meant that she knew Epi was doing what he did in order to gauge reactions. I agree with her on this point. I think people are taking her words the wrong way and using it to fuel a battle between the two of them. MR says he doesn't want to put words in Mongoose's mouth, but... that's kind of exactly what he did here. And now it's a thing.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:None.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
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6. I think Bullzeye is a teammate of yours. He voted Zany Dex when you had two votes after he'd made a case against you, and has recently squashed discussion of what happened last night. "It has been discussed as much as necessary though, there's really nothing else to say. Do you disagree with that?" he said.

That is where my head is.

I was originally going to respond to your post where you specifically mention and quote me but I thought it was easier to quote this summary of your case. First, you seem to act as if all my posts occur in some kind of vacuum outside of the rest of the game. When I first posted against Mongoose I was a bit suspicious of her, but over time other players either went off her or said they thought she wasn't bad. Her responses to me also made me feel better. That left me with no suspicions so I did what I always do on day one in that case. I didn't see the need in posting every single thought I had about my vote as they occurred.

As to me 'squashing discussion', I was under the impression everyone here is an adult capable of making their own decisions about what they do and don't want to talk about. I didn't realise my opinion was law, if that's the case I'll be sure to have more self-serving opinions in future. I stated my opinion on the subject (in agreement with another post, no less) and have not physically prevented anyone from discussing it. I just don't see how it would actually have any bearing on the game because I don't think anyone is crazy enough to draw that much attention to themselves with no benefit at all. Especially someone who'd already been discussed on day one. Note that nowhere in this paragraph do I say Mongoose is a civ because of what happened. Nor have I said I'll think badly of anyone who wants to spend time talking about her cross-post issues (or nefarious attention gathering tactics, whichever you like).

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:So I notice people who think Epi made good points about me also conveniently neglected to comment on my response. I also find it kinda weird how a handful of people seem to have latched on to him... Still not sure who I'll vote for today, but there's plenty of time yet.

Actually, i don't think you are bad, or at least, not for the reasons Epi stated. You might be, but i dont particularly think so at this point. Based on her theorizing about why we had no SK kill, I think she may be a lone baddie. I don't think a vote for her is a blanket endorsement of Epis opinions.

Well that's good, because I'm not bad and the points made against me aren't even that good. Even Epig himself has ignored my reply, I guess I just disproved his comments or it doesn't suit him to respond. I'm gonna vote *Devin* because out of the people who've latched on to Epig (which I find weird in itself), he's the most eye catching in my opinion.

I have not ignored you. I am:

1) hosting another game

2) dealing with other shit that isn't making my Christmas very fucking Merry...

But I'm here. I will review what you had to say and comment on it.

kneel4justice wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Summer wrote: What is the point of them even posting?? Do people who have been insanified, do they usually still keep posting?

Summer wrote: So the site is not doing this for him? HE has to do it? Wow... I can't believe he actually went through with it. Or all of it. I would think he would leave some things legible. Or maybe some kind of code knowing Guru.

groveling. exenterate. Suspicious. bilboes. Olhado?

eulogize. Vote. Election. Elect. Vote. antaphrodisiac. Winter. Fall/Autumn. Spring. Hughie87. Penguinn.

Epignosis wrote: Yeah, you're bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:So, we know for sure that is was AP that was supposed to be lynched? I must've missed that in my quick skim of the night post...

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Yeah, you're bad.

I think our host would beg to differ. As would I.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Wow, half the game got votes and still nobody died. Very weird lynch, but probably quite lucky since I'd bet the majority who got votes were civ.

It is very weird. Interesting regarding your observation though; what makes you think that? It might have actually been a good time for baddies to throw away votes on their teammates, though I would say that's much more likely with someone who had 1 vote than 2.

Just a statistical observation. 9 baddies and 15 voted people means unless nearly every single baddie took a vote, it's likely that half or more of the voted aren't bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:So, we know for sure that is was AP that was supposed to be lynched? I must've missed that in my quick skim of the night post...

Yeah the post mentions him specifically being targeted by a group of people but surviving their attack.

Summer wrote:I don't know if you find those posts suspicious

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Yeah, you're bad.

I think our host would beg to differ. As would I.

My goal is always to force people to make decisions. This will do that.

Loulou26 wrote: Ahh I see. So here the story posts actually tell what happened during the night? Cos on Ksite the stories are mostly just flavour since we had problems with certain mods giving away too much info in the story and basically painting a target on the baddie's backs.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Yeah, you're bad.

I think our host would beg to differ. As would I.

My goal is always to force people to make decisions. This will do that.

Well unless you're bad lynching me is the wrong decision. I still don't see how not personally wanting to talk about something is squashing discussion. If you're all so concerned about my approval that you won't speak about things unless I say so then everyone here needs some kind of therapy. Sorry, there's no easier way to say that. I just care about you all and don't want you to live your lives in fear that I don't approve of your chosen conversation topics.

Also, I really wish I'd replied to the first quote in this chain with "Well in that case tell my teammates they're crap, haven't heard a word from them all game!".

Epignosis wrote:No, A Person, I'm still not buying what you're selling.

Loulou26 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No, A Person, I'm still not buying what you're selling.

So are you suspicious of him?

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Is there a mod I can talk to that isn't a player in either game? I'm now seeing posts from this game answered in Epi's and I want to prove that I am not up to shenanigans or intentional game wrecking.

There is. You switched your vote to him, remember?

Yeah, but he's a player in the other game, so I didn't know if that was kosher and potential rule breaking makes me feel physically ill.

If there's genuinely a problem with the site itself, then MP needs to know.

I don't believe there is, and I applaud you guys for the bold attempt (especially you, A Person- that was bold as hell). But I'm not buying what you're selling.

Epignosis wrote:I will be voting for you next. Probably.

DFaraday wrote:Night 1 - This Bird Has Flown

Finally the group had arrived at the arena for Summerslam. Their adventure in the wilderness had not made things any easier for them, but the show must go on, and the fans were there to see a show, so a show they would get!

J.R.: Welcome, everyone, to Summerslam!!! It's been a dark few weeks here in WWE, but tonight is shaping up to be the best Summerslam of all time, King!

King: Yeah, mainly because I've got a match tonight! And I- Hey, what's this?!?!?!

What this was was, in fact, the Chairman himself, Vince McMahon. The boss stormed down to the ring.

"I'm going to make this short and sweet, because we've got a big show for you ingrates tonight! Now, as you all know, I'm a man of business. And if there's one thing I can't stand, it's someone who gets in my way. Quite frankly, I have no patience for people who inconvenience me. And this murder has definitely been an inconvenience. And so, I, Vincent Kennedy McMahon, have taken matters into my own hands. Show the footage!!!"

The Titantron shows a trailer marked "BWT" in the parking lot.

Vince continued, "As you all can see, BWT has his big fancy trailer out there, but he refuses to come out. Sounds pretty suspicious to me! And what's more, it's a slap in the face to this company, and to me, Vincent Kennedy McMahon. So without further ado, BWT, YOU'RE FIIIIIIRRRRREEEEDDDD!!!!"

At that signal, BWT's trailer exploded, killing BWT instantly.

Vince then left the ring. "Alright then, let's get on with the show!"

BWT has been killed by the Corporation. It is now Day. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Dex, Elohcin, CBK, Vomp, Rey, WOG, and Lizzy will all start the day with an additional vote for failing to make five on-topic posts.

Mister Rearranger wrote:BwIT!

*votes K4J*

FZ. wrote:I looked at the roles, and I was under the impression that the civ that could do that to K4J could only do it on night 3. Deflect on night 1, silence on night 2, and make someone crazy on night 3. And then all over again. Is that not what the role implies?
If it does, than that would imply it was a baddie who did this, and then, either K4J was very intuitive in his suspicions, and the baddies wanted to shut him up, but it just makes people trust him more, so why? Or K4J is a baddie and his team decided to do it to make him look like a civ. Or, it's one of the Ksiters that thought it would be funny to shut him up. Another option I see is someone wanting to frame one of the Ksiters.....or none of the above.

I'm sorry, I'm having a really hard time keeping up with two games, and no break like we're used to at nights. This is a major overload.

I'm not going to be here for the next 30+ hours, so I'm going to vote now. I'm going with Sorsha, because her game is pure fluff and OT, and I've seen absolutely nothing from her so far. Sorry I'm not coming up with anything more than that, but I can't keep up.

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Bye BWT

How is your nail(s)? Are you going to lose them? I can't even imagine.

This has been such a whacktacular week for so many of us, can't wait for Friday!

I lost both thumb nails at the same time earlier in the year. Took this long for them to even start growing back. Little tip, be careful when using false nails. Not fun and uber painful