The Syndicate

And poss splints but I am horrendous at reading her.

Oh man, If Hedge turns up bad i can sleep happy

LOL me too

Well I voted Hedgeowl, because I had to vote. I really don't see much of anything this game, and I don't have a handy dandy role to help me out.

Besides I'm quiet and voted for Dom, why am I suspicious? I ask because I may have missed it.

Right now I'm watching you LC, you seem off. It may be because of us being so busy but I really want you to answer my question. I say that knowing you are out tonight and won't be able to till tomorrow but please do.

Who plugged birdwithteeth11's exhaust?

Poll ended at Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:18 pm

Ambray
0
No votes

Black Rock
1
DFaraday (5)
8%

Boogs
0
No votes

DFaraday
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

fingersplints
0
No votes

Hedgeowl
4
Mister Rearranger (6), Roxy (11), Snow Dog (12), Black Rock (13)
31%

Kate
0
No votes

Long Con
1
Made (7)
8%

Made
2
Long Con (2), Dom (3)
15%

Mister Rearranger
2
Simon (8), Tink (9)
15%

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

Roxy
0
No votes

sabie12
0
No votes

Simon
0
No votes

Snow Dog
0
No votes

Tink
0
No votes

Ernie Irvan #28 (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), Metalmarsh89 (4), Elohcin (10)
23%


Total votes : 13

Black Rock wrote:Well I voted Hedgeowl, because I had to vote. I really don't see much of anything this game, and I don't have a handy dandy role to help me out.

Besides I'm quiet and voted for Dom, why am I suspicious? I ask because I may have missed it.

Right now I'm watching you LC, you seem off. It may be because of us being so busy but I really want you to answer my question. I say that knowing you are out tonight and won't be able to till tomorrow but please do.

Why is DF suspicious of you?

“Look at ‘em go, Bob!”

“I hear you Darrell. It seems like-”

“What’s that static?”

“Mayday, mayday! This is Siddeley. We have to jettison some cargo now.”

“Darrell, it sounds like we’re getting interference from a British spy plane.”

“That’s something else!”

“And it sounds like they’re dropping...look over there Darrell. That plane is right over our pits.”

“What’s that falling from the sky?”

“It’s the cargo. And it’s falling directly over our pit crews!”

Wow, what the heck was that?

Sorry BR. you asked that question yourself.

My top suspect is LC. I would have voted him if I had not missed the lynch.

Oh damn. Damn, damn, damn, damn damn! RIP Hedge. Truly sorry.

MovingPictures07 wrote:My top suspect is LC. I would have voted him if I had not missed the lynch.

Were you silenced?

Yes, the Sheriff doesn't like me apparently.

Well fudgesicles!
Wow last minute stuff never works out.
I feel like an idiot.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yes, the Sheriff doesn't like me apparently.

I needed to hear from you. It was too quiet for too long here. Baddie heaven.

Snow Dog wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well I voted Hedgeowl, because I had to vote. I really don't see much of anything this game, and I don't have a handy dandy role to help me out.

Besides I'm quiet and voted for Dom, why am I suspicious? I ask because I may have missed it.

Right now I'm watching you LC, you seem off. It may be because of us being so busy but I really want you to answer my question. I say that knowing you are out tonight and won't be able to till tomorrow but please do.

Why is DF suspicious of you?

That's what I am asking.

RIP Hedge

MovingPictures07 wrote:My top suspect is LC. I would have voted him if I had not missed the lynch.

What are you seeing in LC?

Roxy wrote:Well fudgesicles!
Wow last minute stuff never works out.
I feel like an idiot.

I'm still sure on Made though. Hedge was never a certainty to be bad.

Black Rock wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well I voted Hedgeowl, because I had to vote. I really don't see much of anything this game, and I don't have a handy dandy role to help me out.

Besides I'm quiet and voted for Dom, why am I suspicious? I ask because I may have missed it.

Right now I'm watching you LC, you seem off. It may be because of us being so busy but I really want you to answer my question. I say that knowing you are out tonight and won't be able to till tomorrow but please do.

Why is DF suspicious of you?

That's what I am asking.

Yeah. I realised that after I posted.

Ok good night everone. I am super tired!

Sweet still alive, rip hedgie, looking for how I probably survived

I know, Snowy, this game has been WAY too quiet.

Black Rock wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well I voted Hedgeowl, because I had to vote. I really don't see much of anything this game, and I don't have a handy dandy role to help me out.

Besides I'm quiet and voted for Dom, why am I suspicious? I ask because I may have missed it.

Right now I'm watching you LC, you seem off. It may be because of us being so busy but I really want you to answer my question. I say that knowing you are out tonight and won't be able to till tomorrow but please do.

Why is DF suspicious of you?

That's what I am asking.

RIP Hedge

MovingPictures07 wrote:My top suspect is LC. I would have voted him if I had not missed the lynch.

What are you seeing in LC?

Well, at several points his suspicions and posts have struck me as possibly insincere or forced.

I don't like his vote for Made today. Seemed very opportunistic.

I don't like the way he fixated on only me for the longest time, not because it was me but because he kept subtly trying to push suspicion onto me but it seemed sketchy. He tried to implicate me first because I "no u'd" Snow Dog, then because of the way I led the FZ. case.

I also think he is suspicious for asking questions over and over about things that had already been answered with regards to Bass and such.

I know he's been busy, but it's been four cycles, and I am NOT seeing any genuine baddie hunting from LC practically at all.

I really am starting to think he's bad.

Black Rock wrote:

Snow Dog wrote: Why is DF suspicious of you?

That's what I am asking.

I'm not really, but I still think your vote for Dom as an attempt to make waves was a bit off to me. I voted you here because I didn't have time to think more deeply about the Made issue, and since I had a slight ping on you, I figured I'd just put my vote there this time.

"Genuine" baddie hunting... I guess that's classified as hunting a baddie who's not you, right MP?

The vote for Made was not opportunistic, it was made when I thought the lynch was a 24-hour one, and I had run out of time. The only reason I made a weak vote like that was that I really had no idea who the baddies were. I did intend to change it, but I didn't have a chance yesterday, I basically got up, went to work, came home, changed, went out for a birthday dinner for my niece and nephew, and went straight from there to play cards, getting home around 11pm, and the lynch was up.

The fact that would try to build a case against me saying I'm "asking the same questions over and over" just brings back my suspicion of you all over again. It's not even true. I asked Bass one time about his point of view on your out-of-control "case" that got him and FZ. killed. I asked it because I didn't want to wade back into the hundreds of posts you made happen to see if I could find it, figured I could get a fresh answer from him before just condemning him.

And as for my "trust of Roxy" that BR asked... I'm not the one who particularly trusts Roxy, that was half the players in the game. I saw nothing in particular that made me trust her any more than any of you, but apparently a lot of other people did. That kind of thing does affect my opinion of her. Then she came in from being silenced while Bass got lynched, with some angry words and fresh points of view, pointing at Made, Ambray, and... someone else as well I think. Without a solid suspicion of my own, Made got my vote due to his analysis of Dom, combined with the fresh Roxy accusation.

It doesn't mean I have any particular trust for Roxy, it meant I was willing to go with her suspicion because it was a fresh point of view that wasn't MP's death train.

Lol, well, no that's not baddie hunting anyone that's not me. I just mean your hunting has seemed forced and not genuine a lot of the time. I know that's hard to defend against though.

And it's not exactly because you're asking questions, it's more because you kept asking them without adding any of your own input or opinion on the matter.

Your elaboration re: your trust of Roxy just doesn't make sense to me and elucidates my point. Do YOU trust Roxy? You sort of skirt the question. You're relying too much on other people's opinions, it's just strange.

Sorry guys for my inactivity. I should have mentioned yesterday was keys birthday, so no time for mafia. Should be a bit better now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol, well, no that's not baddie hunting anyone that's not me. I just mean your hunting has seemed forced and not genuine a lot of the time. I know that's hard to defend against though.

And it's not exactly because you're asking questions, it's more because you kept asking them without adding any of your own input or opinion on the matter.

I hate to be a broken record, but less input from me coincided with a busy time that we were very up-front about. So I can't help you there, I agree, I have given less input than I would have if it had been a free-time time of the year.

Your elaboration re: your trust of Roxy just doesn't make sense to me and elucidates my point. Do YOU trust Roxy? You sort of skirt the question. You're relying too much on other people's opinions, it's just strange.

I don't trust Roxy more than others, but I do like the fresh perspective she brought to the thread when she got unsilenced. After so much MP07-following wrongness in those lynches, I agreed with looking at another perspective.

And I have tried to to some back-reading to see if I could find a baddie, but the only thing I really see there is that maybe Roxy and fingersplints are baddies together. fingersplints was one of the big Roxy trusters, and I believe it was Roxy who mentioned something about 'trusting because of friendship', which originally led me to disregard splints as a "truspect".

Fair enough!

I'm not sure how I am feeling about Rox and splints myself. I know I voted for Rox earlier on, but that's because I was willing to put my trust in someone else and I thought her behavior seemed like her characteristic civvie self.

There have been times where I thought she might be manipulating the thread. I also thought she was lying at one point about receiving something in that first reward poll... but as time has gone by and since nothing happened to me or Snowy in that Francis poll, I'm starting to think those polls are meaningless.

So I could see a possible Rox-splints connection... but I'm just not really sure how to read them at the moment, especially Roxy.

Maybe I'll take a look at some players' posts for the upcoming day period.

I do think Rox would be a good player to look at. As well as you. Maybe Ambray too since I'm becoming less convinced she legitimately wants to find baddies.

It's hard to read people in this game... there are still so many who have contributed so little, IMO.

I know I derailed the thread, but man, I only wish some people would actually come play the game with us. Makes it so hard to determine if the baddies are laying low or what's going on.

I have seen this accusation before, that someone "seems to not legitimately want to find baddies". It's always a sketchy reason, very gut-based, and I think it's probably really easy to decide like you think someone's bad, and then read their gameplay as illegitimate because of it... instead of the other way around.

I agree MP. Far too many low posters. But certainly at least one medium to high poster must be bad I reckon.

Look at the Bass lynch. Only three people got votes. Bass, Made and me. Now Bass was civ (unless a seamer) I am claiming civness, and I am certain made is civ. That means, if you can believe what I said, that no badddies received a vote. With that in mind where do you think mafia would have voted?

^even if you don't wish to believe me, just pretend it's true for this exercise and indulge me.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol, well, no that's not baddie hunting anyone that's not me. I just mean your hunting has seemed forced and not genuine a lot of the time. I know that's hard to defend against though.

And it's not exactly because you're asking questions, it's more because you kept asking them without adding any of your own input or opinion on the matter.

I hate to be a broken record, but less input from me coincided with a busy time that we were very up-front about. So I can't help you there, I agree, I have given less input than I would have if it had been a free-time time of the year.

Your elaboration re: your trust of Roxy just doesn't make sense to me and elucidates my point. Do YOU trust Roxy? You sort of skirt the question. You're relying too much on other people's opinions, it's just strange.

I don't trust Roxy more than others, but I do like the fresh perspective she brought to the thread when she got unsilenced. After so much MP07-following wrongness in those lynches, I agreed with looking at another perspective.

And I have tried to to some back-reading to see if I could find a baddie, but the only thing I really see there is that maybe Roxy and fingersplints are baddies together. fingersplints was one of the big Roxy trusters, and I believe it was Roxy who mentioned something about 'trusting because of friendship', which originally led me to disregard splints as a "truspect".

I am not trusting Rox because of friendship. I am trusting Rox based on my ability to read her.

Who do you think Roxy was referring to? (I'm still assuming my memory is correct and it was Roxy that said it.)

LC -I was referring to players in general - just something I have noticed while hosting games over the years. Why ask splints about something I said? thanks for your earlier response.

MP - Read back all you want MP I've nothing to hide.

Rox what do you think of LC

Just what I have already mentioned. Tbf BR's opinion carries weight when I think about him.
He has brought focus on you then seemed to be subtley shifting his focus to the lynch of the day using my name like it meant something.
He has however explained that since I was silenced he was looking for a fresh perspective since the first 2 lynches (now 3) had went badly. I get that. I felt and still feel the same.

Still I would like to hear BR's thoughts since his response.

I would also like to hear from splints and Kate.

Who are your top 2 suspicions and why? What have you learned since your read back?

Roxy wrote:Why ask splints about something I said?

Because she was there, and I thought it clearly pertained to her. I see you say otherwise.

LC - Well I said that only bc you said you had been looking at the baddie trust of civs in the past few games so I shared what I had noticed.

Long Con wrote: It follows something I've been looking at for a few games now, the idea of baddies expressing trust in Civvies to get some cred.

Also I agree baddies are prob in the pool of people tossing out trust early in the game the way it happened.

You know I had never won a poll before like that - it was surprising even to me.

I'm not sure how that strategy of baddies expressing trust of civs would work. For one thing there's always the chance the person they're praising turns out to be Chick, and also, I don't see the benefit. The majority of players wouldn't know whether the trusted player is civ or not, so I doubt they'd be more likely to trust the baddie who is claiming to trust someone.

I'm thinking everyone early on was just trying to express an opinion, not vouch for anyone or anything like that.

Roxy wrote:Just what I have already mentioned. Tbf BR's opinion carries weight when I think about him.
He has brought focus on you then seemed to be subtley shifting his focus to the lynch of the day using my name like it meant something.
He has however explained that since I was silenced he was looking for a fresh perspective since the first 2 lynches (now 3) had went badly. I get that. I felt and still feel the same.

Still I would like to hear BR's thoughts since his response.

I would also like to hear from splints and Kate.

Who are your top 2 suspicions and why? What have you learned since your read back?

Mine? or LC's? I'll give you mine anyway though.

I suppose at the moment they are 1) LC and 2) Ambray, but there are so many players I would say we haven't heard enough from. I was thinking Ambray seemed civ but looking back on her behavior she has inched up my list since I was initially silenced.

DFaraday wrote:I'm not sure how that strategy of baddies expressing trust of civs would work. For one thing there's always the chance the person they're praising turns out to be Chick, and also, I don't see the benefit. The majority of players wouldn't know whether the trusted player is civ or not, so I doubt they'd be more likely to trust the baddie who is claiming to trust someone.

I'm thinking everyone early on was just trying to express an opinion, not vouch for anyone or anything like that.

I think this might be true.

The only other possibility I'm willing to believe is Rox is bad and her teammate voted for her to win by blending in with others, but that would be risky. And I'm not convinced Rox is bad.

Personally, I just decided it would be pointless for everyone to vote themselves, and I saw no reason to believe Rox's play was bad, particularly compared to others, so I thought that a Roxy vote was acceptable. So did FZ. and she turned out to be civvie.

I'm inclined to believe Roxy is civ. And MP and Made and also MR. Not sure about anybody else. Actually leaning civ on Dom too.

Snow Dog wrote:I'm inclined to believe Roxy is civ. And MP and Made and also MR. Not sure about anybody else. Actually leaning civ on Dom too.

If you had to name three players that you want us to look at most tomorrow then, who would they be?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I'm inclined to believe Roxy is civ. And MP and Made and also MR. Not sure about anybody else. Actually leaning civ on Dom too.

If you had to name three players that you want us to look at most tomorrow then, who would they be?

I wish I had a good answer. It may very well be one of the people i just passed as civ who is bad. Roxy coukd be bad. She changed her vite at my request and if she is bad she would have known she had nothing to lose by swtching votes from one civ to another. And i hAVE had my dobts about her.

But. Maybe DF, LC and BR.

And what about Simon? Doesn't say much but who nows? He has to have a bad role at some stage. aybe not now though. Would his parents give him a mafia role? Doubtful I think.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I'm inclined to believe Roxy is civ. And MP and Made and also MR. Not sure about anybody else. Actually leaning civ on Dom too.

If you had to name three players that you want us to look at most tomorrow then, who would they be?

I wish I had a good answer. It may very well be one of the people i just passed as civ who is bad. Roxy coukd be bad. She changed her vite at my request and if she is bad she would have known she had nothing to lose by swtching votes from one civ to another. And i hAVE had my dobts about her.

But. Maybe DF, LC and BR.

And what about Simon? Doesn't say much but who nows? He has to have a bad role at some stage. aybe not now though. Would his parents give him a mafia role? Doubtful I think.

I'll very likely be voting LC tomorrow, but I'd like to get discussion going as much as possible. I'm not really sure about BR and DF at the moment. I could see them being bad though, I suppose.

Good point about Simon. At some point we'll have to consider him and Tink, but for now, neither of them are pinging me particularly badly.

Why are you all thinking about me?

Simon wrote:Why are you all thinking about me?

Why wouldn't we be?

We don't know whether you're good or not.

But I personally don't have any reason to believe you're bad at the moment. I just don't know.

Made wrote:Sweet still alive, rip hedgie, looking for how I probably survived

this pings me