The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:43 pm Gnomey, do you believe Alison to be mistaken in her reasoning or is she someone you believe to be mafia?

I am still in the process of trying to understand Alison's progression, which, in my opinion, make little sense, especially the above "red check."

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:02 am Well, pseudo red checked by someone who could easily be lying but hey, that description applies to hawkataine and we exed her anyways

Pseudo red checked?
In other words, this is a hoax because Alison admitted that the person who gave the red check "could easily be lying." So now, Alison is relying on a source who may or may not be telling the truth. Which means that it's more like a rumor than an actual red check.
This doesn't make Alison look good.
It makes it look like she wants me to be mafia and is just trying to prove her claim with whatever comments she can find, even if she doesn't trust her source.

Assuming TSP is the poisoner who gets chopped without anything extraordinary happening, and assuming 1-kill-per-night the rest of the way, how many mischops do we have left?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:51 pm Assuming TSP is the poisoner who gets chopped without anything extraordinary happening, and assuming 1-kill-per-night the rest of the way, how many mischops do we have left?

2

Groovy

Tomorrow is Day 1 of a new mafia game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:58 pm Groovy

Tomorrow is Day 1 of a new mafia game.

POE of 3?

I think Martin kinda has to be POE the more I think about it, just as a byproduct of the mechanical confusion surrounding Gnome's survival. If Gnome is mafia and the game doesn't end, that bodes poorly for Martin. If Gnome is town, Martin remains the most viable explanation for her survival despite his claims.

[Gnome, Martin, X]

I will still be thonking on X. Mac is the easy button answer. I'll see if that's where I land though.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:21 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:19 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:17 am It doesn't matter to me whether you're commanding or suggesting. A real townie has no reason to doubt logic here. We do not have that many unknowns, and logic has been accurate throughout the course of this game. You trying your best to yell back at me and nitpick the wording of my argument when the point - that a townie would use stone cold logic to uncover the truth, not whisk us away on fancy flights of imagination - is clear is doubly outing.

I don't have an analytical mind.
And the unknown is why I am not dead from the poison.
So you are using my thinking style as a weapon to claim that I am scum?
I believe that you can do better than that.

One unknown. Easily resolved by logic. The logic says you are scum.

If I am misrepresenting you here is your chance to restate your point. Why is logic fallible here? Why shouldn't we believe that you are scum?

So I have been trying to figure out who the mafia is. But I don't have a clue. If I were to attempt to use logic, I would look for the most scummy player and point my finger. But that is kind of absurd. If it were always the scummy players who are mafia, it would be an easy game.

Mafia, however, is a complicated and confusing game. I still struggle with it.

That being said, I followed your progression from "gnome is definitely town" to "gnome is such scum." The progression makes little sense. First of all, if I were scum, I would not want to kill off my teammates and create a situation where I am playing alone. I'm not a strong enough scum player for that scenario. If it were true, the game would already be over. Secondly, your logic doesn't work because you are using unreliable information for your claim that I am scum. The "red check." It never happened. It is a hoax. I will readily admit that my imagination never led me to use someone else's unverifiable red check as a reason for calling me scum. But that is exactly what you did.

I think that there has to be some reason for your abrupt transition from Gnome is obvious town to Gnome is obvious scum, but I don't have a clue. The only thing that I can think is that you are mafia and you hoped that I would sit comfortably in your pocket but, for some reason, you came to the conclusion that I popped out. Therefore, you decided to squash me but didn't know how to handle it because, for reasons unknown to me, I survived the poison and then didn't get NKed.

So there you go. I hope that answers your commentary.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:58 pm Groovy

Tomorrow is Day 1 of a new mafia game.

POE of 3?

Mac/Gnome/(Martin or Alison). Clearing one of those slots would be ideal.
I’m in no state to do that today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:58 pm Groovy

Tomorrow is Day 1 of a new mafia game.

POE of 3?

Mac/Gnome/(Martin or Alison). Clearing one of those slots would be ideal.
I’m in no state to do that today.

Let's remove the poisoner and then go after mafia tomorrow.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:58 pm Groovy

Tomorrow is Day 1 of a new mafia game.

POE of 3?

Mac/Gnome/(Martin or Alison). Clearing one of those slots would be ideal.
I’m in no state to do that today.

Let's remove the poisoner and then go after mafia tomorrow.

Yes. I am already moving past today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:08 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:58 pm Groovy

Tomorrow is Day 1 of a new mafia game.

POE of 3?

Mac/Gnome/(Martin or Alison). Clearing one of those slots would be ideal.
I’m in no state to do that today.

Let's remove the poisoner and then go after mafia tomorrow.

Yes. I am already moving past today.

All righty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:04 pm(Martin or Alison). Clearing one of those slots would be ideal.

That's something I've tried to do this phase, so I suggest reviewing my analysis spam while you're pooped. I think there are good reasons to say it isn't Alison. The only things against her are mechanical POE and "why is she alive?" at this point. I don't know how much I care about those.

She should remain a subject of inquiry of course.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:45 pm Mac trying to convince me Alison fake poisoned herself is a little hard to take seriously.

It's Alison. Remember her as Gambit Demon? She is a 5D player.

I don’t doubt she’s capable of the strategy. I doubt it’s a thing in the first place.

You must be unfamiliar with poison mechanics because being able to fake it is a common part of the role.

To Mac's credit it is true that Gnome's survival suggests the presence of a fake poison. However, poisoners are not usually permitted to self target.

Now doubt has crept in when she suggests a fake poison. This is the part that is conjecture because there is no way that anyone but the poisoner knows about the existence of a fake poison.

unfortunately the poison, in his infinite wisdom, outed to make sure that everyone knew there was no fake poison

I sorta think Alison should be S3 just for chopping me today

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:51 pm Assuming TSP is the poisoner who gets chopped without anything extraordinary happening, and assuming 1-kill-per-night the rest of the way, how many mischops do we have left?

you ahve 3 if you don't chop me today ftr

but no, because alison and jay are concerned about poison bombs

ok then let's see if i can pass nanook in the next seven minutes

There are multiple people for whom we can ask “why are they alive?”
I am one of then.

i also outed to answer the question why is sloonei alive

I'm so nice

POSION BOMB

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:24 pm i also outed to answer the question why is sloonei alive

Eh?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:24 pm i also outed to answer the question why is sloonei alive

Eh?

I took the n1 shot (i think) and so you still have a vest

I'm not really worried about a poison bomb. Rather, I'm playing in a closed setup with a ton of things I don't and won't know that can conceivably impact the game for the worse, and allowing an outed killing anti-town player to live an extra day is just flat unwise in that environment. I don't know his role or the mafia role(s) still out there. Give me an open setup and I sing a different tune.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:25 pm POSION BOMB

do you mean "poison"????

my role is an open setup

it says "you are a poisoner. every night choose a player. they die at the end of the next day. you win if everyone else dies." that's all

fmpov you should never kill me why won't you trust me on this

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:29 pm my role is an open setup

I think that we've figured out that you are a 3P poisoner and will flip purple.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:29 pm it says "you are a poisoner. every night choose a player. they die at the end of the next day. you win if everyone else dies." that's all

What's the mafia role?

i like purple as a 3p color tbh

Hell I didn't even realize it's 3:30. Okay then.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:29 pm it says "you are a poisoner. every night choose a player. they die at the end of the next day. you win if everyone else dies." that's all

You are getting chopped so you're not winning.
But you made a great effort and you played a good game.

Good game Tony. Good game Tangy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:30 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:29 pm it says "you are a poisoner. every night choose a player. they die at the end of the next day. you win if everyone else dies." that's all

What's the mafia role?

you are the mafia. you are immune from poison

or alternatively

you are the poison healer. twice in the game you may choose a player during the day. if they have been poisoned, they will not die that day.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:30 pm i like purple as a 3p color tbh

I love purple. It's one of my two favorite colors.

@Tangrowth sorry for subbing in and promptly outing myself and getting chopped

that was a bit of an oops

is there officially sanctioned twilight

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:30 pm i like purple as a 3p color tbh

I love purple. It's one of my two favorite colors.

Purple and blue.

ready for this:

i do have fake poisons everything i said was a lie also i have a red check on jay also i do have a poison bomb suicide vest and that's bad news for all y'all

Cool, guy

ooh it's wifom

gnome/martin/alison go in order

@Garden Gnome how do you feel about other players whose reads on you have changed over the day phase? I believe some names would be Allcrab and lost monkey, for example.

I hope Tony's alignment color is poop brown.

third slot could? be LM or AllCrab but I'm not really seeing it as either