Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Garden Gnome]

i like purple as a 3p color tbh

I love purple. It's one of my two favorite colors.

Purple and blue.

Purple and turquoise for me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

those are the same

[TonyStarkPrime]

i passed GG in post count, SBPCBWWE chop her over me

[Garden Gnome]

i do have fake poisons everything i said was a lie also i have a red check on jay also i do have a poison bomb suicide vest and that's bad news for all y'all

Wow, that's super dramatic.

[Garden Gnome]

i passed GG in post count, SBPCBWWE chop her over me

It's too late for me to be chopped today.
Maybe tomorrow.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i passed GG in post count, SBPCBWWE chop her over me

You have 18 minutes to pass me.

[Garden Gnome]

those are the same

not really.
turquoise is somewhere between blue and green.

[Garden Gnome]

i passed GG in post count, SBPCBWWE chop her over me

You have 18 minutes to pass me.

gogogogogogogogogogo!!!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Garden Gnome how do you feel about other players whose reads on you have changed over the day phase? I believe some names would be Allcrab and lost monkey, for example.

[Garden Gnome]

@Garden Gnome how do you feel about other players whose reads on you have changed over the day phase? I believe some names would be Allcrab and lost monkey, for example.

I'd better read their ISOs. Neither one was as noisy as Alison, lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Still torn on my third name. Leaving Mac out is difficult, but I'm not sure he feels right.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"PerC players are being wagoned by unwelcoming Syndicate players" -> "This specific wagon on a PerC player is probably scum-driven because of its static nature" doesn't connect. If you don't like the LoMo wagon because there's no resistance, say so. Framing it as a PerC vs Syndicate thing reads as fishing for an appeal to emotion, and doesn't really make sense if your primary concern was the size and fluidity of the wagon. It does make sense if you have TMI on LoMo so I'm very happy to vote you.

That was a joke. I wasn't saying you guys were being unwelcoming, far from it. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say. You seem very strong willed, and I feel like I didn't mean to hit something.

I was just trying to catch up, but it seems I started a fire in you.

Is this ever mafia teammates?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Sloonei quick, 11 minutes ^^

[JaggedJimmyJay]

First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?

Disney World/Disney Cruises. And you?

Follow up, why did you choose to ask this particular question?

Hi!

To the PerC people and/or anyone else who wants to answer:

1) what do you think you bring to a game when you're town?
2) what do you hope to accomplish this game?

1. My town reads.
2. Win with town.

Finding someone genuine?


Unrelated, screw nested quotes. Really.

yeah lol

Not really the only reason no I just sort of generally toneread you as wolfy/found your approach disingenuous, starting with the dana read (bc again I'm a defender of hedginess and didn't see it your way). But as you've posted more it seems like that's just your style and you are poking in various places and have solvey intentions. I could move off you but don't know where

You could just unvote? There is no compulsion that a person needs to be voted. This I could move off you but don't know where stuff I don't buy it and seems fake. Leaning scum here.

Allison like an evolved form of alana lol.

Hello, I'm Tangy and this is my first mafia game.

Hi Tangy. This may be one of my final mafia games I play. I have been considering retirement. Not, to rain on the date though, I just feel as though I can't mod how I want to mod anymore, which is my main appeal to the game in the recent years.

Owner you should try modding games here owner. Some of the setup i have seen here are right up your alley.

What do you want me to expand?

If I didn't play a game before this one, I would been the same way as act and you on dana.

It'd be super to know what made you feel this way, and what playing a game before this one did to change your perspective.

The playstyles are mainly the reason if I have to say. Certain things which you guys see as townie are not seen as townie thing over there. Now lets take act what you guys saw stilted and acting scummie from act we consider as something normal from her. This is her playstyle this is how she plays regardless of alignment. Similarly to what you felt with gnome. I felt the same way when I saw syn, mac play. Dana coming in and saying i am nervous and stuff if i didnt see others play last game even i would have felt it was scummie.

Like my impression is most of LM's posts are comments on things that don't actually have bearing on the game itself, there's a couple like the discussion of act's style that could come close to giving a read but avoid actually doing so. There's a hint of a scumread on me, and some interaction with Jay and that's it. I feel like they're hesitant to actually get into the meat of the game.

Is this a distance or a bury?

Looks more like the latter. I cased monkey myself three hours earlier. nutella wanted my mischop to proceed.

Forgive the huge quote, but I want everything visible. Game's on the line.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

POE: [Gnome, Martin, Mac]

[Garden Gnome]

@Garden Gnome how do you feel about other players whose reads on you have changed over the day phase? I believe some names would be Allcrab and lost monkey, for example.

I did an ISO of Lost Monkey, who said that he couldn't read me so I could be chopped. He also wanted to know who healed me. I don't see anything scummy in this. There's nothing that looks scummy, like claiming that I was red checked and then saying that it might not be real and that the source of the "red check" was a potential liar.

In my opinion, Lost Monkey is town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

Err, is this TMI?

I'll take dumbest posts I've ever read for 100 alex.

It implied you knew Made's alignment.

And yes, I've seen you addressed this now.

I've seen people say this twice now and not for nothing even if wagons were w/w I still think bunny's vote makes them village because I would assume wolves would have a preference of who goes down between made/nutella.

Allcrab town
That's probably fair.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Allcrab town*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

1576 is an annoying number. Give me one more post.

[Garden Gnome]

1576 is an annoying number. Give me one more post.

Here you go!

[Garden Gnome]

three minutes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok time to beat zuay’s post count

[JaggedJimmyJay]

POE: [Gnome, Martin, Mac]

Legacy

[TonyStarkPrime]

I really think Alison has decent wolf equity uere

[Garden Gnome]

I wonder why MacDougall voted off wagon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

AC doesn’t, I think LM doesn’t

[Dyslexicon]

The Wine in Front of Us

“Now?”

Tony lifted his glass right up under his nose.

Oh, yes. The different smells and tingles flushed over him, like a symphony for the nose.
Strawberry, coconut, dried moss.

Excellent, he nodded to the sommelier.

“And you?”
The sommelier turned his head towards his date.
His date gave a half smile.

“Let me see… I think I can smell dark berries, and … strychnine, cyanide and tetradotoxin?”

Tony let out a huge shriek of laughter. He couldn’t help himself.
Wine tasting was his absolute favorite!


@TonyStarkPrime didn’t get a seveth date.

Spoiler: show

He was a Third Party Poisoner

@Alison
@Allcrab
@Esooa
@Garden Gnome
@JaggedJimmyJay
@lost monkey
@MacDougall
@MartinGG99
@Sloonei

Please submit any night actions at least one hour befire Day 7 begins!

[Garden Gnome]

I really think Alison has decent wolf equity uere

agreed

[Marmot]

"What is this?"

"It's your paprika pomegranate, sir." the server explained to Sloonei. Sloonei looked back down. The cocktail sounded far more appetizing than it looked, this problematic pile of presumptuous pomagranate pulp and a pinch of paprika poured in a precarious pint. Sloonei peered in and took a sip, proceeding to fall to the floor. The paprika was too much!! He clutched his throat, coughing and sputtering.

@Sloonei didn’t get a seventh date.

Spoiler: show

He was a Town 1-Shot Desperado

Day 7 has now begun! You have 24 hours (day phases have been reduced in length).

Spoiler: show

@Alison
@Allcrab
@Esooa
@Garden Gnome
@JaggedJimmyJay
@lost monkey
@MacDougall
@MartinGG99

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Figured. Good game Sloober. Hopefully Allcrab was there.

[Sloonei]

I overdosed on myself.

[Allcrab]

Figured. Good game Sloober. Hopefully Allcrab was there.

nope esooa

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I continue to believe the mafia can be found with Gnome's poison survival. That could be a passive immunity for her, though that would require her role to be slightly different from mine. It could be Martin lying (which I don't think necessarily also requires Gnome to be mafia).

Outside those two I have what I consider to be compelling reasons to call everyone town. That's less true with Mac, but if I wanted to make a quality town case for him I could.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Figured. Good game Sloober. Hopefully Allcrab was there.

nope esooa

This keeps happening and you're going to be in most POEs regardless of what I say.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I doubt Tony fake poisoned Gnome. He needed bodies, not wifom. What's even the point.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Voteparking here until someone can give me a plausible explanation for town Gnome surviving the poison that does not involve a scum healer healing a townie for no reason.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm thinking about the numbers game to see if the mafia would gain something (e.g. town losing a mischop) if Gnome is chopped instead of dying of poison. If I am not counting incorrectly, Day 5 the numbers would have been (with 5 mafia):

9:2:1

Made was chopped. Had Gnome died of poison before Nanook was killed, we enter Day 6 at 7:1:1.

From the mafia perspective that's the difference between 8:1 and 9:1 (Gnome survives) when considering the poisoner just a non-mafia vote. From a mischops perspective that's the same.

Not sure a mafioso is thinking in these terms. If a mafia healer saved Gnome though it essentially must be Martin, and he does strike me as someone who'd pay attention. I'm not sure he gains something from saving Gnome here. It's cloudy given the presence of a poisoner interferes with theoretical mischops available.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tried to convince Gnome last night to kill me if she's mafia so we could die in one another's arms for a beautiful thematic ending.

Alas, here we are. I have no confident reason to say she's town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The best way to solidify this situation I think is to more conclusively clear everyone else. I tried yesterday and thought I was somewhat successful, but I would prefer to have more opinions involved. I'll bring what I consider to be the best points back into the thread (forgive the repetition), and I hope folks can engage.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"PerC players are being wagoned by unwelcoming Syndicate players" -> "This specific wagon on a PerC player is probably scum-driven because of its static nature" doesn't connect. If you don't like the LoMo wagon because there's no resistance, say so. Framing it as a PerC vs Syndicate thing reads as fishing for an appeal to emotion, and doesn't really make sense if your primary concern was the size and fluidity of the wagon. It does make sense if you have TMI on LoMo so I'm very happy to vote you.

That was a joke. I wasn't saying you guys were being unwelcoming, far from it. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say. You seem very strong willed, and I feel like I didn't mean to hit something.

I was just trying to catch up, but it seems I started a fire in you.

To me this is the single best moment for Alison. Owner's response looks like it is directed at a legitimate threat to her, not someone aligned with her. For those who are inclined toward Alison tinfoil just by nature of her existence, maybe you can take comfort that for my assertion to be wrong here, Owner would be the one fooling you. I think this is a legitimately strong point, enough that I keep bringing it up. Anyone calling Alison mafia or even POE should at least contend with this.

[Alison]

I'm thinking about the numbers game to see if the mafia would gain something (e.g. town losing a mischop) if Gnome is chopped instead of dying of poison. If I am not counting incorrectly, Day 5 the numbers would have been (with 5 mafia):

9:2:1

Made was chopped. Had Gnome died of poison before Nanook was killed, we enter Day 6 at 7:1:1.

From the mafia perspective that's the difference between 8:1 and 9:1 (Gnome survives) when considering the poisoner just a non-mafia vote. From a mischops perspective that's the same.

Not sure a mafioso is thinking in these terms. If a mafia healer saved Gnome though it essentially must be Martin, and he does strike me as someone who'd pay attention. I'm not sure he gains something from saving Gnome here. It's cloudy given the presence of a poisoner interferes with theoretical mischops available.

It's not clear to the mafioso when the poisoner would die or how many kills the poisoner would get off, which means they can never be certain that it wouldn't cost them a mischop to leave Gnome alive. Gnome's role itself also has value - for example Allcrab having a Watcher ability was conclusively proven as a result of Gnome's voyeur effect. That's why I don't see the point in leaving Gnome alive. Any mafioso alive by that point must have been strapped for numbers and want as many kills as possible, so it would be psychologically unlikely for them to heal Gnome.

[Garden Gnome]

I tried to convince Gnome last night to kill me if she's mafia so we could die in one another's arms for a beautiful thematic ending.

Alas, here we are. I have no confident reason to say she's town.

I tried to persuade my true love that I have no access to the dramatic (or even anti-climactic) night kill, and that I never did. Apparently, I didn't succeed. It seems that the romance has died.

I am town. I don't know why I survived the poison. It makes no sense at all, but here we are.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

Err, is this TMI?

I'll take dumbest posts I've ever read for 100 alex.

It implied you knew Made's alignment.

And yes, I've seen you addressed this now.

I've seen people say this twice now and not for nothing even if wagons were w/w I still think bunny's vote makes them village because I would assume wolves would have a preference of who goes down between made/nutella.

That's probably fair.

I think this is the best moment for Allcrab. Sonny tried to get after the crab with that snap TMI read, and Allcrab basically punched him in the face. Sonny backed off straightaway. By the time we reach "That's probably fair" his tail is visible between his legs. This doesn't look like distancing to me. Anyone calling Allcrab mafia or putting him in their POE should contend with this moment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tried to convince Gnome last night to kill me if she's mafia so we could die in one another's arms for a beautiful thematic ending.

Alas, here we are. I have no confident reason to say she's town.

I tried to persuade my true love that I have no access to the dramatic (or even anti-climactic) night kill, and that I never did. Apparently, I didn't succeed. It seems that the romance has died.

I am town. I don't know why I survived the poison. It makes no sense at all, but here we are.

Do you think that I should not suspect you?

[Alison]

That post looks great for Allcrab. Sonny dropped off sharply in activity after nutella was killed so I don't think he was coming up with convoluted 200 IQ distancing schemes.

[Allcrab]

Figured. Good game Sloober. Hopefully Allcrab was there.

nope esooa

This keeps happening and you're going to be in most POEs regardless of what I say.

Not mindreader sorry.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not mindreader sorry.

I don't blame you necessarily. From a pragmatic perspective though it has to be viewed critically.

[Allcrab]

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

I think we have to resolve this, don't see any better options.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gnome is definitely feeding me the appeal to emotion. It's kind of fun that it's literally embedded in our roles.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll bring this one back (click) again as the best moment for lost monkey.

I think it's the timing and context of nutella's motion against Lomo that is most important. Any mafioso can make a case to create distance, so I would understand if nutella casing Lomo isn't enough on its own power to clear Lomo as of Day 7. I would find that a little irresponsible too. However, what's most important to me about this is that nutella's case came on the heels of my own case against Lomo. That's textbook opportunism, and I think it makes it notably more likely that this is not distancing. My own case is linked via the link above.