The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:06 pm do you really think both wolf teams get a kill every night AND they get an extra vig shot on top of that? so we’re supposed to deal with three villagers dying a night and town has no way to kill wolves at night? that seems ridiculous to me

But two wolf teams killing and one has a one-shot extra kill isn't that crazy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:07 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:06 pm do you really think both wolf teams get a kill every night AND they get an extra vig shot on top of that? so we’re supposed to deal with three villagers dying a night and town has no way to kill wolves at night? that seems ridiculous to me

But two wolf teams killing and one has a one-shot extra kill isn't that crazy.

he’s claiming it’s two-shot

and it is crazy when town’s only way to kill people we want to kill is through an elimination in that world. so two or three people wolves want dead die every night and meanwhile we can only kill one person we want every day

i mean, in pretty much every large role madness game town has SOME extra kp. and in this game with two wolf controlled kills every night there’s all the more reason to have it

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:56 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:54 pm lc, re: nanook -

not exactly. in that game nook had a loyal day vig. in other words he was compelled to target a fellow wolf with it. so he shot a teammate that had already been red checked

Yes, I remember now.

But clearing him for a towny dayvig in this game? Is that wise? It's not dissimilar enough, especially in multiball.

It wasn't a day vig, and yes it wise

like, there’s only so much i can doubt in this game

do i just kill nook because he might be a wolf vig that made a pro-town shot when there’s no other apparent villa kp in the game?

do i just assume that the basic conventions of game balance that i’ve seen in pretty much every game don’t apply here?

i can’t do that. i have to go with what i have in front of me and make inferences off of that. and i’m inferring that nook is a villager from the information i have. if that ends up being wrong for some unknowable reason that i can’t possibly predict right now, all i can do is throw up my hands after the game and say “alright, maybe next time”

i also don’t really get how alison can be a wolf. if she was claiming anything besides exactly what she’s claiming i might be worried

but she’s claiming to have information that has been corroborated by more than one person. she’s also claiming a mechanically verifiable action that allows her to control other’s actions. how can that be a wolf role? i struggle to believe she would simply make all that up as a wolf, and if it’s not made up i think it pretty much can’t be a wolf role? because it seems op as hell to give a wolf control of other’s night actions like that?

unless she’s like wolves with exactly kza and odd and they concocted this entire thing before the game began i don’t get it

or maybe there’s some unknowable mechanical twist that makes it make sense as a wolf role. but what can i do about that? nothing afaict

Who are the other two troopers then?

Also, what's wrong with four town troopers with one corrupt cop giving orders? Part of it is that they can disobey the orders, what if that's there BECAUSE Alison is a wolf?

Alison's role strongly suggests there at least one mafia between her and the four troopers

Its clearly a counter to the troopers, the only question is whether it's a mafia counter to town troopers or a town counter to one or two mafia troopers

We should probably all have claims on the board atp tbh, but im waiting for day start to make sure there's not a huge soup

If im dead hally make sure everyone claims tomorrow

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:24 pm Who are the other two troopers then?

Also, what's wrong with four town troopers with one corrupt cop giving orders? Part of it is that they can disobey the orders, what if that's there BECAUSE Alison is a wolf?

yes, but if they disobey the orders don’t they get stripped of their powers? and then alison can give them to someone else i think

so if she is a wolf she can give them orders to follow that are bad and then if they disobey she effectively vanillizes them

that seems so op. but maybe it’s op as a villa role too? i don’t know

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:26 pm Alison's role strongly suggests there at least one mafia between her and the four troopers

Its clearly a counter to the troopers, the only question is whether it's a mafia counter to town troopers or a town counter to one or two mafia troopers

yeah

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:27 pm We should probably all have claims on the board atp tbh, but im waiting for day start to make sure there's not a huge soup

If im dead hally make sure everyone claims tomorrow

ok

Cheney is not a corrupt cop

Hally, Alison, Odd, Nanook are town and if any of them are not then I'll probably lose

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:34 pmyes, but if they disobey the orders don’t they get stripped of their powers?

LOL and who told you that?

Right?

ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

but i dont think there's any particular reason to believe that's true

out of the "troopers", i am the most interested in sorting out KZA right now. he has flown significantly under the radar and i have not heard any good reasons to village read him

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:37 pm ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

If we get a couple more villagers killed from the POE, it's going to really start looking like the Game of Champions.

But if Gerhardt Mafia has three members then the Alison+2 Troopers team doesn't really work.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:37 pm ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

but i dont think there's any particular reason to believe that's true

out of the "troopers", i am the most interested in sorting out KZA right now. he has flown significantly under the radar and i have not heard any good reasons to village read him

that would be a 5 man wolf team in a multiball game which does'nt seem possible

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:37 pm ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

but i dont think there's any particular reason to believe that's true

out of the "troopers", i am the most interested in sorting out KZA right now. he has flown significantly under the radar and i have not heard any good reasons to village read him

that would be a 5 man wolf team in a multiball game which does'nt seem possible

Currently a three man team, actually.

if I agree to die and flip town will people stop this annoying trooper tinfoil

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:37 pm ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

but i dont think there's any particular reason to believe that's true

out of the "troopers", i am the most interested in sorting out KZA right now. he has flown significantly under the radar and i have not heard any good reasons to village read him

they can’t all be wolves together

no matter how you slice it alison is claiming to know and control people’s roles that she cannot be teamed with

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:24 pm Who are the other two troopers then?

Also, what's wrong with four town troopers with one corrupt cop giving orders? Part of it is that they can disobey the orders, what if that's there BECAUSE Alison is a wolf?

yes, but if they disobey the orders don’t they get stripped of their powers? and then alison can give them to someone else i think

so if she is a wolf she can give them orders to follow that are bad and then if they disobey she effectively vanillizes them

that seems so op. but maybe it’s op as a villa role too? i don’t know

Giving orders to someone else beside troopers doesn't looks logic
Being vanillazied is not that bad, remember Goc where she fooled town in believing killing her means killing Dizzy and we didn't want to kill Dizzy.
Shenanigans like these are easy to make for Alison

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:37 pm ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

but i dont think there's any particular reason to believe that's true

out of the "troopers", i am the most interested in sorting out KZA right now. he has flown significantly under the radar and i have not heard any good reasons to village read him

that would be a 5 man wolf team in a multiball game which does'nt seem possible

Currently a three man team, actually.

well if two other troopers don’t come forward alison is confirmed lying, no?

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:51 pm if I agree to die and flip town will people stop this annoying trooper tinfoil

Alison is the one with wolf equity imo

although i could actually see it being something like alison has four trooper rolecards but only two are in the game so she doesn’t actually know which troopers to give orders to unless they claim

that would nerf her role

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:37 pm ive had a tinfoil theory that alison and her troopers are literally all just wolves

but i dont think there's any particular reason to believe that's true

out of the "troopers", i am the most interested in sorting out KZA right now. he has flown significantly under the radar and i have not heard any good reasons to village read him

that would be a 5 man wolf team in a multiball game which does'nt seem possible

Currently a three man team, actually.

well if two other troopers don’t come forward alison is confirmed lying, no?

well we don't know what Ted or Al Sama were so not exactly

having janitored flips is so annoying lol

how am i supposed to solve this game when i don’t even know what alignment the dead people are

day start?

kill me please

"After WWII, we went six years without a - without a murder here. Six years. And these days, well... Sometimes wonder if you boys didn't bring that war home with ya."
Hank Larsson

[Passive] - As the Sheriff of Rock County and a WWII vet, Hank is a very respected member of his community. His vote counts as two.

[Active] - On odd nights, Hank may track a player and discover which player they visited (if any). On even nights, Hank may stake a player's location and learn the identity of any player that visited them that phase (if any).
--- [Active] - Twice during the game, he may instead choose to upgrade his surveillance on a target. He will learn the identity of anyone they visited them or they visited that night. If a player he's surveilling targets him, he'll learn the effects of the ability they performed.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town

lol

votes hidden because why not

lol

someone got shot but didn’t die

who

why would you strongman LC

i assume lc was a wolf kill

why do wolves kill lc if the poe is good

what the fuck

oh right

it wasn't LC

I got oddmerta to swap

nice

well, i feel a little less foolish for shielding long con now. that's something.

why not strongman michelle????

they had a strongman which means they could bypass -‘y protection on michelle

and they didn’t kill her

wat

So everyone claim orrrrr

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:13 pm oh right

it wasn't LC

I got oddmerta to swap

nice

who was the intended target?

I'm waiting for odd to confirm that he carried out the orders I gave him first though

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:13 pm oh right

it wasn't LC

I got oddmerta to swap

nice

who was the intended target?

me

i ordered odd to swap myself and my strongest scumread, and I gave KZA and LC BTSC

at this stage in the game, i think it's worth it to do a partial claim:

one of the abilities that i have (which i can now no longer use, hence why i'm outing this) is a protective role. i protected michelle last night, so i'm pretty sure the wolves tried to hit her without realizing that a protective role was alive

how can you busdrive a strongman kill

the point if a strongman is it always hits who it’s supposed to no?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:15 pm how can you busdrive a strongman kill

the point if a strongman is it always hits who it’s supposed to no?

no, strongman pierces protections and roleblocks

i don't know how "super kill" works but general strongmen get busdriven

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:13 pm oh right

it wasn't LC

I got oddmerta to swap

nice

who was the intended target?

me

i ordered odd to swap myself and my strongest scumread, and I gave KZA and LC BTSC

why did you give lc btsc if you were going to try to kill him?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:15 pm at this stage in the game, i think it's worth it to do a partial claim:

one of the abilities that i have (which i can now no longer use, hence why i'm outing this) is a protective role. i protected michelle last night, so i'm pretty sure the wolves tried to hit her without realizing that a protective role was alive

if no CC I'll assume this is true and clear both you and mich

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:15 pm at this stage in the game, i think it's worth it to do a partial claim:

one of the abilities that i have (which i can now no longer use, hence why i'm outing this) is a protective role. i protected michelle last night, so i'm pretty sure the wolves tried to hit her without realizing that a protective role was alive

but wolves have strongmans. why wouldn’t they use that on the claimed cop?