Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 2]
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:27 pm
Look at marmot being all mature.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Confucius was good at English wordplay.Turnip Head wrote:Confucius say war not determine who is right, war determine who is left.
Quin wrote:If this was your logic, I would have expected to see you put a vote on timmer, who didn't even vote for himself. Why not?Spacedaisy wrote:I have in no way caught up. I decided to cast a vote for a couple people for self voted. When I looked at who self voted there were three, so then I looked at who they voted for other than themselves and I found that of the three Bullz only voted for himself. Therefore I voted for the two guys who self voted and yet still voted for someone else too.
Voted bwt and Bass.
Sorry for being such suck, but I am nearly done moving most of my crap and Psych just ended. So it will get better here.
Forgive me Quin, but I don't have the first clue what you mean. I think perhaps you have misunderstood what my reasoning for my votes were, which is my fault because I don't think I explained well.Quin wrote:This is expected you voted for those who self-voted because they were voting randomly. This point is moot if it's not where you were coming from.Quin wrote:If this was your logic, I would have expected to see you put a vote on timmer, who didn't even vote for himself. Why not?Spacedaisy wrote:I have in no way caught up. I decided to cast a vote for a couple people for self voted. When I looked at who self voted there were three, so then I looked at who they voted for other than themselves and I found that of the three Bullz only voted for himself. Therefore I voted for the two guys who self voted and yet still voted for someone else too.
Voted bwt and Bass.
Sorry for being such suck, but I am nearly done moving most of my crap and Psych just ended. So it will get better here.
What do you think about timmer? Your argument suggests that you were putting your vote down on someone who made uninformed votes, but timmer not only made two (one more than the two you voted for) but the two he did vote were leading the lynch train at that point in time.Spacedaisy wrote:Quin wrote:If this was your logic, I would have expected to see you put a vote on timmer, who didn't even vote for himself. Why not?Spacedaisy wrote:I have in no way caught up. I decided to cast a vote for a couple people for self voted. When I looked at who self voted there were three, so then I looked at who they voted for other than themselves and I found that of the three Bullz only voted for himself. Therefore I voted for the two guys who self voted and yet still voted for someone else too.
Voted bwt and Bass.
Sorry for being such suck, but I am nearly done moving most of my crap and Psych just ended. So it will get better here.Forgive me Quin, but I don't have the first clue what you mean. I think perhaps you have misunderstood what my reasoning for my votes were, which is my fault because I don't think I explained well.Quin wrote:This is expected you voted for those who self-voted because they were voting randomly. This point is moot if it's not where you were coming from.Quin wrote:If this was your logic, I would have expected to see you put a vote on timmer, who didn't even vote for himself. Why not?Spacedaisy wrote:I have in no way caught up. I decided to cast a vote for a couple people for self voted. When I looked at who self voted there were three, so then I looked at who they voted for other than themselves and I found that of the three Bullz only voted for himself. Therefore I voted for the two guys who self voted and yet still voted for someone else too.
Voted bwt and Bass.
Sorry for being such suck, but I am nearly done moving most of my crap and Psych just ended. So it will get better here.
My first thought was, I should just self vote because I am not an informed voter.
Then I realized, hey I have two votes! This makes it invalid for me to vote for myself and then one for someone else because I would basically be placing an uninformed vote anyway for my second vote.
Then I thought, well maybe should vote for myself and someone else who self voted, because clearly they are in the same place and me and we are probably the least engaged players so far, so it would make the most sense for me to put my vote there.
Then when I came in and saw that there were three people who self voted, I had to decide how to choose which one to cast my second vote for. As I was looking at their own second votes, it hit me that two of them (bwt and Bass) cast their second vote for someone else, not a self voter. But BUllzeye, he only cast one vote, for just himself. This was a true self vote. But these other two struck me as disingenuous because if you are already casting an uninformed vote for someone, why even bother with the self vote? It becomes a moot point. And moreover, it is a fairly safe vote. So I chose to vote for two self voters who also cast votes that I found to be slightly questionable.
:shrugs: I know it isn't something solid, but it is how my brain worked.
1) OK, so first you say my posts are "devoid of actual substance" and then you knock them for having too strong language/opinions. There's not a lack of substantive reasons, I just don't feel the need to restate them when they're basically the same reasons other people have stated. I did feel pretty strongly about MM being "cavalier" at that point.MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, here's another random observation I thought of: nutella is reminding me of myself when I'm bad. I appreciate her contributions, but they've been devoid of actual substance and too go-with-the-flowy. See the below post:
MM, Dom, and Russ are the 'hot button' candidates right now, and Bubbles is a semi-hot one. That's not particularly inspiring in and of itself, but then check out the orange stuff.nutella wrote:Top candidates for my votes are MM, Dom, and maybe Russ or Bubbles. MM is looking more and more suspicious to me, I already bought JJJ's case and now all of MM's responses are rather disturbingly cavalier and many of his recent posts I have found suspicious in and of themselves. Earlier I said I didn't like either Dom's or Bubbles' votes; I'm pretty convinced that Bubbles is being her usual self but that doesn't preclude her being bad. Dom is just being incredibly annoying and not really providing sufficient content imo due to his obnoxious posting gimmick, and I am still perplexed by his voting behavior. And I'm keeping Russ on my list as well, since he hasn't given me a great impression overall, and I look forward to seeing what he has to contribute today.
Speaking of contributing, there are numerous players I would love to hear more from. INH, Niju, Bullz, Dunny, Timmer... where you at?
So what's wrong with the orange stuff?
1) Very strong, assertive language, like "pretty convinced", "incredibly annoying", "disturbingly cavalier", "more and more suspicious", especially given a lack of substantive reasons for those strong opinions.
2) The fact that she is OK voting for Dom because he is "just being incredibly annoying".
3) The fact that she is OK voting for Russ for such a vague reason.
4) The fact that she is OK voting for Bubbles for, again, essentially a non-reason.
nutella, please elaborate. I'm concerned. I don't understand what makes your views of these players any more alarming than most of the rest of the players in the game, considering that none of their behavior also fits your descriptions for voting those three candidates (like 'precludes from being bad', 'usual self', 'not really providing sufficient content', etc.
1) Several. JJJ, Scotty, DDL, Mac, Quin, at the very least. Obviously a lot of players have contributed much less than Dom, but that doesn't mean I'm entirely happy with his contributions.MovingPictures07 wrote:A few questions for you as well:
1) What other posters in the game have provided more sufficient content than Dom?
2) What content can you find in Dom's posts? Because I can find some, even if it isn't strongly supported. Let's compare.
3) Which posts of MM's are "suspicious in and of themselves" and why?
Oh, and that that yellow stuff? That's the kicker to what's reminding me of myself when bad. I love throwing out those lines.
I've kind of answered this already, but I don't feel like my playing here has been inconsistent with my meta. I'm still pretty unsure of myself. You keep saying I've used strong and assertive language, but that was only a couple times (in the post you point it out in above, I was already being pretty wishy-washy wrt Bubbles and Russ, and I've more recently been waffling on Dom) and for the most part my opinions have been influenced by other players such as JJJ.MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, and again we're on meta here, nutella has a VERY strong and consistent meta phenomenon. She is always incredibly unsure of herself when she's civilian. See Bullets Over Broadway. She's conducting herself with confidence and incredibly strong language and assertive statements without wavering. That's not only suspicious at face value because she provides no substantive backing for those statements and is piggybacking onto the three people with the most heat going into this phase, but additional cause for concern from a meta level.
The biggest RL concern of all. Mondays.Turnip Head wrote:DDL, were there RL concerns that made you vote somewhat early? Or were you just that sure about your votes?
Voter | 10 votes | 9 votes | 8 votes | 7 votes | 6 votes | 5 votes | 4 votes | 3 votes | 2 votes | 1 vote |
Simon* | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | JaggedJimmyJay, Simon |
Scotty | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | Dom, MM, JaggedJimmyJay, Simon |
Jan | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | MM | Dom, JaggedJimmyJay, Simon, Turnip |
DFaraday | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | MM | Dom | JaggedJimmyJay, Simon, Turnip |
DDL | - | - | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | JaggedJimmyJay, Simon, Russ, Turnip |
Quin | - | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | - | JaggedJimmyJay, Simon, Russ, Turnip |
Mac | - | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | Russ | Dunny, JaggedJimmyJay, Simon, Turnip |
Dom | - | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | Russ | DFaraday, Dunny, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
Ninja | - | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | Russ | DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
BWT* | - | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | Russ | BWT, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
timmer | - | - | - | - | - | MM | Dom | Russ | - | BWT, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
Nerolunar | - | - | - | - | - | MM | Dom | Russ | BWT | DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, timmer, Turnip |
Bass* | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | Russ | BWT | Bass, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, timmer, Turnip |
Bull* | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom | Russ | BWT | Bass, Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, timmer, Turnip |
JJJ | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom, Russ | - | BWT, timmer | Bass, Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
MP | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom, Russ | timmer | BWT | Bass, Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
Sorsha* | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom, Russ | timmer | BWT | Bass, Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sig, Simon, Sorsha,Turnip |
Spacedaisy | - | - | - | - | MM | - | Dom, Russ | BWT,timmer | Bass | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sig, Simon, Sorsha, Turnip |
Elohcin | - | - | - | MM | - | Russ | Dom | BWT, timmer | Bass | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sig, Simon, Sorsha, Turnip |
Golden | - | - | - | MM | Russ | - | Dom, timmer | BWT | Bass | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sig, Simon, Sorsha, Turnip |
Glorfindel | - | - | - | MM | Russ | Dom | timmer | BWT | Bass, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sig, Simon, Turnip |
Turnip | - | - | MM | - | Russ | Dom | timmer | BWT | Bass, Sig, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Simon, Turnip |
LoRab* | - | - | MM | - | Russ | Dom | timmer | BWT | Bass, Sig, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, leetic, LoRab, nutella, Simon, Turnip |
DP | - | - | MM | Russ | - | Dom, timmer | - | BWT | Bass, Sig, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, Jan, JaggedJimmyJay, leetic, LoRab, nutella, sig, Simon, Turnip |
Boomslang | - | MM | - | Russ | - | Dom, timmer | - | BWT | Bass, Jan, Sig, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, JaggedJimmyJay, leetic, LoRab, nutella, sig, Simon, Turnip |
nutella | MM | - | - | Russ | timmer | Dom | - | BWT | Bass, Jan, Sig, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, JaggedJimmyJay, leetic, LoRab, nutella, sig, Simon, Turnip |
MM | MM | - | Russ | - | Dom, timmer | - | - | BWT | Bass, Jan, Sig, Sorsha | Bull, DFaraday, Dunny, Glorfindel, Golden, INH, JaggedJimmyJay, leetic, LoRab, nutella, sig, Simon, Turnip |
ETA- and also from Russ, for whatever that's worthnutella wrote:I could also add MP to the list of people who attempted to steer away from MM (and also from Dom).
It expands upon the order in which players voted (first column, from top to bottom) and how the tally evolved (other columns, to be read from right (players who got just one) to left (all the way to MM getting 10 votes in total)).nutella wrote:
Linki: Well now I look silly since Rico just mentioned the same three people.I don't at all understand what's going on in that chart though, could you explain it a bit more?
To be fair nights are usually active enough for that to change much.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If I may make a recommendation...Bullzeye wrote:Not being able to post at night really sucks for me because that's how I usually get myself caught up and claw my way into a game.
I've found that dead night phases can offer an opportunity to catch up while the thread isn't simultaneously exploding. It's a nice opportunity to look through things at your own pace and identify posts people make that you want to talk about. You can even prepare your posts ahead of time, maybe in Word or Notepad or wherever, and then whenever you're around during the following day phase you can just dump those pre-made posts straight into the thread. The conversation of the hour may be somewhere else, but who cares. Say your piece.
I don't. Been staring at it a while now and I have no clue.nutella wrote:Oh I think I get the chart now?
Whichever 2 names move to the left (or appear in the case of the 1-vote column) in each row are the players the person on the left of the row voted for. So it shows how many votes each person had after each person voted.Elohcin wrote:I don't. Been staring at it a while now and I have no clue.nutella wrote:Oh I think I get the chart now?
Host design says that both mafia teams kill every Night (plus, I remember the Host alluding prior to the start of the game that it will run far smoother and quicker, because of the double nightkills). What makes you think there are limiters, after all?Quin wrote:
Night 1 was without a night kill and tonight had 2. I'd imagine that there are criteria that have to be met before the Yellow Turbans can make a kill (just like in Psych). As for the Nanman, maybe they went after Dong Zhuo night 1. I highly doubt five (well, four) mafia members were all inactive.
My only read game-based paranoia is the recruiter, tbh. Any given Day, it's likely for one civ read to turn into a indy and coast away with the cred.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This game is probably reaching a record for number of players I'm afraid of reading as civ in the same game.
I will assume that will come when I start reading the thread, even if its low intensity. I cannot overstate how little of this game I have read - it would amount to 3 or 4 pages worth tops. With Dom in particular, I would say I have a read because his posts have been quite frequent in the bits and pieces I read. The same goes for JJ (I guess went in his case) and DDL (also find townie). Contrast this to someone like MP, whose content always seems to be at different times to me so I've barely read any.Ricochet wrote:Golden: same situation as timmer, although more reasoned in his action: either eggsplashed by MM's flip or considered there is room to wiggle and actively try to pull MM out of dueling spots; clear dissident of MM as a wagon, needless to say. As for his reads - while I understand the UTR-mode during his Finals - I get too much "I don't agree with ... being bad" and too little "I myself find ... bad". Not quite sure what kind of Golden tactic this is and how to fully read it, but I'd rather have the civ-vibe-giving Golden instead, regardless of the rhythm, pace and intensity it's provided: reads, debating, risk-taking.