The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:17 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.
That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.
That's my feeling. Feelings aren't wrong.

Mark it as such. Feeling and rational are too very different things.

Can you not rationalize Marmots suspicion of you? Seemed pretty clear to me.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:17 pm**

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.
That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.
That's my feeling. Feelings aren't wrong.
Mark it as such. Feeling and rational are too very different things.

Can you not rationalize Marmots suspicion of you? Seemed pretty clear to me.

Nvm, I'm an idiot

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:18 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't know. I'm not counting.
I wish I had been. It's quite a few, and iirc it hasn't been the confirmed baddie at all.
So moving my vote around a lot means I'm bad. Got it.

I quite like that you're moving you vote a lot. If nothing else, it has increased discussion. Sawyer is bad and just looking for flimsy things to pin on you.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:18 pm**

So people think I would kill Eloh Night 1, and now MM thinks that when I'm bad, I'm more likely to forget things.

Mad house up in here.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:19 pm**

Epignosis had a civilian read of Quin here.

Epignosis wrote:Quin raised the idea that I was partners with FZ. for defending her. I don't think Quin would do that and then kill FZ. For that and other reasons, I think Quin is a civilian.

Then had a lengthy interaction with him spoiled below.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Also, my team is Epi, LC, Marmot and Quin.
One of these 4 are bad.
This is why we needed to lynch Jack yesterday. People are reading into the WIFOM of the confirmed baddie. Its different to reading into suspects.
All it takes is the presence of mind to

FUCKING IGNORE HIM

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Quin raised the idea that I was partners with FZ. for defending her. I don't think Quin would do that and then kill FZ. For that and other reasons, I think Quin is a civilian.
But would Epignosis kill the potential teammate I pointed out to get me off his back?
Would he?
He would. Did he though?
I would? What evidence do you have to suggest I would ever recommend murdering my own teammate?

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Quin raised the idea that I was partners with FZ. for defending her. I don't think Quin would do that and then kill FZ. For that and other reasons, I think Quin is a civilian.
But would Epignosis kill the potential teammate I pointed out to get me off his back?
Would he?
He would. Did he though?
I would? What evidence do you have to suggest I would ever recommend murdering my own teammate?
Not your actual teammate

My point is, FZ. was town, and if you're bad, I don't think it's unrealistic that you'd kill her to put me at ease after I considered you two might have BTSC.
Oh.

I would have killed FZ. except for the fact that I was the one vouching for her. Nobody else was, so I might've left her alone and tried to get her lynched (tough to do, by the way, but I like the challenge). But yeah, I would've killed her, sure.

But none of that would be to try to put you at ease. I fear you not.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote: Not even once I've put on my big boy pants?
You need a better avatar. Look at mine.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:That was a serious question, by the way. I don't think you'd strategise your mafia game around how to appease me. I don't have much influence and I might be the only one who saw what I saw.
So it was a serious question?

And suddenly forgot Quin is in the game.

Epignosis wrote:I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

There's only 13 players left in the game, so I find it hard to believe you forgot that Quin was in it, considering your interactions with him.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:19 pm**

llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:20 pm**

I'm moving my vote to Metalmarsh89 for no reason.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:20 pm**

Back to the question though, can you non-feeling, rationalize Marmot's suspicion?

What about Sawyer? Is his suspicion and though process have rational thought behind it?

Epi, how long have you been playing mafia with Eloh?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?

I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote:So people think I would kill Eloh Night 1, and now MM thinks that when I'm bad, I'm more likely to forget things.

Mad house up in here.

Hardly.

I've made such comments like that before when I'm mafia, the one where you said "Oh, I forgot Quin was playing".

You were jonesing hard for a mafia game to get going, and you've been a driving force for discussion in this game. I don't believe that you forgot that Quin was in this game. I believe you felt like naming a player without offering a stance on him, a stance you had determined in the previous day phase already.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:22 pm**

And I think a lot of people in here are using the word "rational" when what they really mean is "logical."

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:23 pm**

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.

Does it make me bad?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:23 pm**

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.
Does it make me bad?

Only the role handed out to you by the host makes you bad.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:24 pm**

thellama73 wrote:And I think a lot of people in here are using the word "rational" when what they really mean is "logical."

aren't they synonymous?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:24 pm**

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.

Do you find my case hard to believe, or Epignosis being mafia hard to believe?

Linki: noooooo

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:25 pm**

Marmot wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.
Do you find my case hard to believe, or Epignosis being mafia hard to believe?

Linki: noooooo

I find your case unconvincing, not hard to believe.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:26 pm**

thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.
Does it make me bad?
Only the role handed out to you by the host makes you bad.

You know what I meant you sassy Llama. You stated that MM's suspicion on Epi doesn't make him bad (meaning it's not a baddie tell). Is my suspicion on Epi a baddie tell?

linki - a shame the stupid is seeping out of me today then...

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:27 pm**

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So people think I would kill Eloh Night 1, and now MM thinks that when I'm bad, I'm more likely to forget things.

Mad house up in here.
Hardly.

I've made such comments like that before when I'm mafia, the one where you said "Oh, I forgot Quin was playing".

You were jonesing hard for a mafia game to get going, and you've been a driving force for discussion in this game. I don't believe that you forgot that Quin was in this game. I believe you felt like naming a player without offering a stance on him, a stance you had determined in the previous day phase already.

I have also been reading Phenom, the GoC, and Survivor on top of this. Quin is involved in all of those. The quote you pulled was something I said ages ago. Quin hasn't said anything here for a while. I forgot he was in this until I started looking for some place else to park my vote.

When you get into your 30s, have children, and teach high school, let me know how your memory is.

In the meantime, ask yourself what purpose a bad Epignosis would have in mentioning that he forgot Quin was even in this. I could have easily not said anything at all about him. Mafia tend to be more careful about what they say in the thread, no? If I already offered a stance on Quin, what have I to gain by acting like I don't have a stance on him (although I don't agree that forgetting Quin was involved equates to not having a stance on him)?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:28 pm**

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:llama, what do you make of MM naming me his top suspect for forgetting about Quin?
I personally find it hard to believe anyone really suspects you. Of all the people in the game, I think I suspect you least. Doesn't make Metalmarsh89 bad, but I think he's wrong.
Does it make me bad?
Only the role handed out to you by the host makes you bad.
You know what I meant you sassy Llama. You stated that MM's suspicion on Epi doesn't make him bad (meaning it's not a baddie tell). Is my suspicion on Epi a baddie tell?

linki - a shame the stupid is seeping out of me today then...

I meant it's not necessarily a baddie tell, but to answer your question, I think you are bad, but not because you suspect Epi. I have other reasons, which I have previously cited.
I think Jack's teammates are you, Sawyer, and maybe one other who I haven't pinned down yet.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:30 pm**

Another note.

One of the factors for Epignosis's vote for SVS yesterday stemmed from her vote for Quin on Day 1. Epignosis read through their interactions, and deduced that her vote was based on a pretty minor tiff.

More evidence of Epignosis reading Quin interactions, and that it's unlikely he actually forgot Quin was in the game.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:33 pm**

Marmot wrote:Another note.

One of the factors for Epignosis's vote for SVS yesterday stemmed from her vote for Quin on Day 1. Epignosis read through their interactions, and deduced that her vote was based on a pretty minor tiff.

More evidence of Epignosis reading Quin interactions, and that it's unlikely he actually forgot Quin was in the game.

You astound me.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:33 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So people think I would kill Eloh Night 1, and now MM thinks that when I'm bad, I'm more likely to forget things.

Mad house up in here.
Hardly.

I've made such comments like that before when I'm mafia, the one where you said "Oh, I forgot Quin was playing".

You were jonesing hard for a mafia game to get going, and you've been a driving force for discussion in this game. I don't believe that you forgot that Quin was in this game. I believe you felt like naming a player without offering a stance on him, a stance you had determined in the previous day phase already.
I have also been reading Phenom, the GoC, and Survivor on top of this. Quin is involved in all of those. The quote you pulled was something I said ages ago. Quin hasn't said anything here for a while. I forgot he was in this until I started looking for some place else to park my vote.

When you get into your 30s, have children, and teach high school, let me know how your memory is.

In the meantime, ask yourself what purpose a bad Epignosis would have in mentioning that he forgot Quin was even in this. I could have easily not said anything at all about him. Mafia tend to be more careful about what they say in the thread, no? If I already offered a stance on Quin, what have I to gain by acting like I don't have a stance on him (although I don't agree that forgetting Quin was involved equates to not having a stance on him)?

As mafia, you've put a name up for discussion, even if subtly. I agree Quin hasn't been around, and as such no one has talked about him.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:34 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:Another note.

One of the factors for Epignosis's vote for SVS yesterday stemmed from her vote for Quin on Day 1. Epignosis read through their interactions, and deduced that her vote was based on a pretty minor tiff.

More evidence of Epignosis reading Quin interactions, and that it's unlikely he actually forgot Quin was in the game.
You astound me.

Your response to my case is to write this game off as lacking rational thought and snarky remarks like this one.

I don't like these responses.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:37 pm**

Things are really heating up in here.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:40 pm**

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:Another note.

One of the factors for Epignosis's vote for SVS yesterday stemmed from her vote for Quin on Day 1. Epignosis read through their interactions, and deduced that her vote was based on a pretty minor tiff.

More evidence of Epignosis reading Quin interactions, and that it's unlikely he actually forgot Quin was in the game.
You astound me.
Your response to my case is to write this game off as lacking rational thought and snarky remarks like this one.

I don't like these responses.

I don't care if you don't like them. I'm not trying to win your approval. You voted for me before I even said anything about forgetting Quin.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:41 pm**

MM: Do you believe I would have killed Eloh Night 1?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:51 pm**

Epignosis wrote:MM: Do you believe I would have killed Eloh Night 1?

I'm choosing not to factor this into my read.

I'll tell you when I'm in my 30s, have children, teach high school, and have a wife who plays mafia.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:01 pm**

I don't think it's odd that Epi forgot Quin was in. I understand.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:07 pm**

I do think it's odd that Epignosis wants to keep jack around to find his teammates, but he has only produced one read as a result of it: Floyd.

I'm voting for jack today. The longer he sticks around, the more he becomes a discussion point that would distract from more productive discussions. There has been a ton of chatter about whether to lynch him or not, but the points put out for not lynching him are not being taken advantage of.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:13 pm**

Marmot wrote:I do think it's odd that Epignosis wants to keep jack around to find his teammates, but he has only produced one read as a result of it: Floyd.

I'm voting for jack today. The longer he sticks around, the more he becomes a discussion point that would distract from more productive discussions. There has been a ton of chatter about whether to lynch him or not, but the points put out for not lynching him are not being taken advantage of.

And what was my "read" on Floyd, dear MM?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:16 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:I do think it's odd that Epignosis wants to keep jack around to find his teammates, but he has only produced one read as a result of it: Floyd.

I'm voting for jack today. The longer he sticks around, the more he becomes a discussion point that would distract from more productive discussions. There has been a ton of chatter about whether to lynch him or not, but the points put out for not lynching him are not being taken advantage of.
And what was my "read" on Floyd, dear MM?

I don't know, I didn't produce a read in that post.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:17 pm**

If your point is that you didn't post a read there, you're right. You didn't.

My point is, that's the most productive thing I've found that's come from keeping Floyd around.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:18 pm**

EBWOP: keeping jack around.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:19 pm**

Nobody's been bloody talking until now.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:24 pm**

I do find this post from notsawyer suspicious.

notsawyer540 wrote:Things are really heating up in here.

Despite notsawyer being suspicious of Epignosis, this is the only thing had to say after I posted my case and while I've been accusing you.

I'd expect him to have more input on this whole thing if he was sincere.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:15 pm**

Ok, switched to Jack.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:25 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Nobody's been bloody talking until now.

Better late than never.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:30 pm**

Smartmot

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:45 pm**

Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:48 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?

We've been over this Epi. You, Sawyer or DF.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:51 pm**

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?
We've been over this Epi. You, Sawyer or DF.

If you've answered, then I'm not addressing you.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:51 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?

Where my vote is currently. Jack has enough votes now so I cbf moving it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:55 pm**

MacDougall wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?
Where my vote is currently. Jack has enough votes now so I cbf moving it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:09 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.
How did you forget Quin was in this game, you had a lengthy back-and-forth with him about whether or not you would murder FZ, and also called him a civilian.
Because I'm getting old and forget things, and Quin hasn't posted recently.

I'm backseating

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:16 pm**

I don't really care that Epi forgot about me. I'm not surprised because I haven't been around in this game as much as I usually am. I'd rather pay attention to this gross post centered around overconfidence and bad logic.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:17 pm**

Almost forgot to get back before the day ended. Moving my vote back to Jack because obviously.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:20 pm**

I just realised I'm awake in time for EoD. Neat.

That's the reason I'm taking a backseat in this game, if you were trying to read into it for anything. Most of the action tends to happen in the 8~ hours before EoD, so I'm not here for that stuff.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:21 pm**

Now that Phenon has ended I can say that my accusation of Sawyer for discrediting his own take on an argument is a tried and tested baddie tell. Follow me (tomorrow)

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:24 pm**

Quin wrote:Now that Phenon has ended I can say that my accusation of Sawyer for discrediting his own take on an argument is a tried and tested baddie tell. Follow me (tomorrow)

I'm already there.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:26 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Now that Phenon has ended I can say that my accusation of Sawyer for discrediting his own take on an argument is a tried and tested baddie tell. Follow me (tomorrow)
I'm already there.

You're early.

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