Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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It's like your role in this game is to oppose whatever the thread consensus is at the moment.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:14 pmI wouldn't. Use it or lose it, tbh. But this is a matter or personal opinion at this point, and what I *WOULD* balk at would be lynching people because "Maybe there was an inactive on the baddie team" in a game where we don't know if there is a protector, a blocker, both or other. AND we don't know which roles Golden might or might not choose to randomize. Which, unlike the game mechanics, is something that IS in our power to control.
Linki, it says "some roles" not which ones.Might be the kill, might not. Don't want to lynch people based on it.
you are expected to explain yourself when you drop opinions and vague accusations, yeah. i expect and appreciate that
okay first of all you're implying that speedchuck didn't just get off of a 2 game baddie win streak in which he faked scumhunting enough to avoid suspicion pretty much entirely, which he absolutely did. but second of all. I wasn't present for any of that? all I knew of speedchuck was that he was publically confirmed town by a role and later on a role that confirmed living players role alignments as the opposite of what they really were showed up. the most logical conclusion was that those two facts were directly related. no one was talking about speedchuck's pre-merger scumhunting record and its not like his scumhunting in this thread wasn't super impressive or anything. his defenses required specific roles to exist and I didn't trust that.His decent reads/hunting for baddies, SVS's posts to name just two factors of many.
okay. but why? what do you think either mafia would have to gain from his death? do you think speed was specifically targeted or are you thinking his lynch was a Wilgy save?The Chuck vote reeks of mafia involvement.
DharmaHelper doesn't care about the roof.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:17 pm Credibility
Mine is through the fucking roof
Don't say otherwise
DH today (on reasons to suspect speed would flip town):
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:38 pm Should I be expected to do all the work for you Kyle? His decent reads/hunting for baddies, SVS's posts to name just two factors of many. The Chuck vote reeks of mafia involvement.
Again with this vague shitcolonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:43 pm DH yesterday:DH today (on reasons to suspect speed would flip town):DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:38 pm Should I be expected to do all the work for you Kyle? His decent reads/hunting for baddies, SVS's posts to name just two factors of many. The Chuck vote reeks of mafia involvement.
Ok:DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:46 pmAgain with this vague shitcolonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:43 pm DH yesterday:DH today (on reasons to suspect speed would flip town):DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:38 pm Should I be expected to do all the work for you Kyle? His decent reads/hunting for baddies, SVS's posts to name just two factors of many. The Chuck vote reeks of mafia involvement.
If you want to say something
You guys should say it.
I am the only person to say anything that was actually true the last several days(except Quin, he did too) and *I* don't sound logical.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:10 pm And here is the Epignosis Credit Report (which is not a rainbow list):
People with full credibility:
Sloonei - Called for Marmot's head, and has looked exactly as I would expect, if slightly less talkative.
Quin - speedchuck was adamant Quin was good, and until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll respect that.
People with some credibility:
Dom - Called out Long Con, but suspects me.
DDL - I need see something more out of you, but I still take you for a civilian.
Scotty - I had viewed Scotty as good based on his activity in my earliest interactions with him, but now I'm not so sure.
Spacedaisy - This is pending DrWilgy's death as a bad boy. She took a hard stance on a tough character, and I'm cool with that. Hell, even if Wilgy shows up civilian, I'm cool keeping Spacedaisy here.
People with no credibility:
DharmaHelper - On a new life, and his DrWilgy / speedchuck back-and-forth looked like an act to me.
nijuukyugou - Drunken whore.
Boomslang - Drunken whoremonger.
colonialbob - New role and the old role didn't look good anyway.
DrWilgy -
insertnamehere - JackofHearts2005 was against him most of the way.
sig - ditto
Lorab - Nothing she's done or has not done, but new role.
S~V~S - ditto, plus the opinions don't sound logical, and so they seem forced to me.
Kylemii - I have nothing against him, but I have nothing in his favor either. Also maybe whores.
What did you say that was true?
That he was gonna flip civ. Not the thing about being bad, we can't know that till end game, although I believe it with all my heart and soul.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:17 pmWhat did you say that was true?
(If it's your "speed will flip town but is really mafia because LC/unrevealed role instead of nutella" theory I will be disappoint.)
My reason for suspicion still stands; however, a quick iso showed similar emotional reactions most of the game to Sloonei's votes so I can buy a civ inh who is frustrated votes keep coming for reasons he thinks are dumb. He's moved down my suspects list.
Why didn't you believe the explanation that mafia nutella saw an opportunity to frame civ speedchuck who was already under a little suspicion for defending LC, but he was actually on the other team?S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:26 pmThat he was gonna flip civ. Not the thing about being bad, we can't know that till end game, although I believe it with all my heart and soul.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:17 pmWhat did you say that was true?
(If it's your "speed will flip town but is really mafia because LC/unrevealed role instead of nutella" theory I will be disappoint.)
But yeah the part about how he'd flip. It would have been dumb for Nutella to have faux revealed Chuck, it made no sense. I was sitting here like, how does anyone believe this?
Because of how aggressively Chuck defended LC and tried to push LCs agenda. For him to reveal civ under Nutella's role, he had to be an opposing baddie. And I have never ever ever ever seen a baddie risk himself to defend an opposing baddie as aggressively as Chuck did LC. Chuck was either LCs teammate or a civ (or Indy). He made zero sense as an opposing baddie.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:31 pmWhy didn't you believe the explanation that mafia nutella saw an opportunity to frame civ speedchuck who was already under a little suspicion for defending LC, but he was actually on the other team?S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:26 pmThat he was gonna flip civ. Not the thing about being bad, we can't know that till end game, although I believe it with all my heart and soul.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:17 pmWhat did you say that was true?
(If it's your "speed will flip town but is really mafia because LC/unrevealed role instead of nutella" theory I will be disappoint.)
But yeah the part about how he'd flip. It would have been dumb for Nutella to have faux revealed Chuck, it made no sense. I was sitting here like, how does anyone believe this?
You have given your opinion on what I think, and said negative things about them.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:05 pmI am the only person to say anything that was actually true the last several days(except Quin, he did too) and *I* don't sound logical.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:10 pm And here is the Epignosis Credit Report (which is not a rainbow list):
People with full credibility:
Sloonei - Called for Marmot's head, and has looked exactly as I would expect, if slightly less talkative.
Quin - speedchuck was adamant Quin was good, and until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll respect that.
People with some credibility:
Dom - Called out Long Con, but suspects me.
DDL - I need see something more out of you, but I still take you for a civilian.
Scotty - I had viewed Scotty as good based on his activity in my earliest interactions with him, but now I'm not so sure.
Spacedaisy - This is pending DrWilgy's death as a bad boy. She took a hard stance on a tough character, and I'm cool with that. Hell, even if Wilgy shows up civilian, I'm cool keeping Spacedaisy here.
People with no credibility:
DharmaHelper - On a new life, and his DrWilgy / speedchuck back-and-forth looked like an act to me.
nijuukyugou - Drunken whore.
Boomslang - Drunken whoremonger.
colonialbob - New role and the old role didn't look good anyway.
DrWilgy -
insertnamehere - JackofHearts2005 was against him most of the way.
sig - ditto
Lorab - Nothing she's done or has not done, but new role.
S~V~S - ditto, plus the opinions don't sound logical, and so they seem forced to me.
Kylemii - I have nothing against him, but I have nothing in his favor either. Also maybe whores.
Rude.
@DDL I like it, too.
This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?
Okay, or. Let’s just lynch him and move on to someone else after that?insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.
This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?
That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.
It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.
SYNDICATE CRIME STORY
THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY
1. "META"
Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, @Vompatti. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.
Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.
Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.
That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.
Bleh.
2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"
As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.
It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.
3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"
Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.
FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.
FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.
This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.
4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"
This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.
All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.
My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?
Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.
I indeed did miss that word “some”. How vague. I still feel like kills would also randomize. And I see no reason to abstain from a NK at this point.
I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.
That’s good Dom, stay positive. Things are looking up.
Are you still 70% sure you submitted a haiku at the start of the game?sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:20 pm I like SVS, Epi, DDL
I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.
I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.
Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.
Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.
I'll probably vote for Wilgy.
Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.
It’s actually not that interesting at all, actually. Daisy has been laying down her case ad Infinitum whenever she breathes in the thread since about day 4. DH voted for Wilgy for half the day yesterday before moving his vote back to speed. I’ve been suspecting Wilgy for cycles. The entire thread has been focused on Wilgy, EVEN while Speedchuck was busy being lynched. I’m not sure why you’re even insinuating that it’s a thing.FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.
This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.
bitch i told you i aint the damn fridgesig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:20 pm I like SVS, Epi, DDL
I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.
I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.
Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.
Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.
I'll probably vote for Wilgy.
Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.
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