The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 7:35 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 7:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 7:21 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 7:14 am Would you all prefer I change EoD so as to not conflict with EoD for Ancient Greece?
Probably a good idea. Whatever's best for you is fine though. You da host.
I might go for 10:30am AEST in future. Another hour after Greece.

This is much better Quin, it's not during my dinnertime. Thank you.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:02 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.

No we are not, we just lost the deuteragonist of town.

If character importance is an indication of roles, this is only better than losing Nagisa.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:03 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.
No we are not, we just lost the deuteragonist of town.

If character importance is an indication of roles, this is only better than losing Nagisa.

I don't care about roles.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:03 am**

Ok I'm not going to bash people for this because I missed the EoD so it would be hypocritical of me.

But have I mentioned I hate CFDs before? I hate CFDs.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:06 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:03 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.
No we are not, we just lost the deuteragonist of town.

If character importance is an indication of roles, this is only better than losing Nagisa.
I don't care about roles.

I understand if you don't, but I disagree we are winning. This lynch was close to worst case scenario.

We only win the game by lynching baddies. Everything else is stalling at best.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:17 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:03 am Ok I'm not going to bash people for this because I missed the EoD so it would be hypocritical of me.

But have I mentioned I hate CFDs before? I hate CFDs.

Did a mafioso survive who would have otherwise not survived? What should have been the procedure instead?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:33 am**

The procedure is not to close yours eyes and vote randomly like you guys did there.

Like the day has 24 hours for a reason. You use them. The moment Mac threw the word CFD the rest of you dropped every discussion you had done so far and started randomly changing your vote like madmen.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:36 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:33 am The procedure is not to close yours eyes and vote randomly like you guys did there.

Like the day has 24 hours for a reason. You use them. The moment Mac threw the word CFD the rest of you dropped every discussion you had done so far and started randomly changing your vote like madmen.

Why does parking a wagon on one person improve the likelihood of a successful lynch?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:36 am**

I'm looking at nova again because that "we are not going to lynch Avito anyway vote lapluie" was the most suspicious thing I read all week.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:38 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:36 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:33 am The procedure is not to close yours eyes and vote randomly like you guys did there.

Like the day has 24 hours for a reason. You use them. The moment Mac threw the word CFD the rest of you dropped every discussion you had done so far and started randomly changing your vote like madmen.
Why does parking a wagon on one person improve the likelihood of a successful lynch?

Not necessarily parking, but making sure you only change votes after discussing them and reasoning them and not doing it on a heartbeat.

Rushing it makes it less like an analysis and more like RNG.

If there are only 10 min left and you feel there is not enough time for discussion, maybe it's a good sign you should stick to whoever is your biggest suspect so far.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:39 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:36 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:33 am The procedure is not to close yours eyes and vote randomly like you guys did there.

Like the day has 24 hours for a reason. You use them. The moment Mac threw the word CFD the rest of you dropped every discussion you had done so far and started randomly changing your vote like madmen.
Why does parking a wagon on one person improve the likelihood of a successful lynch?
Not necessarily parking, but making sure you only change votes after discussing them and reasoning them and not doing it on a heartbeat.

Rushing it makes it less like an analysis and more like RNG.

If there are only 10 min left and you feel there is not enough time for discussion, maybe it's a good sign you should stick to whoever is your biggest suspect so far.

There was a great deal of discussion. I sure as hell wasn't placing any random votes. Who did?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:39 am**

I think that strategy sucks and I will not subscribe. You do you.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:39 am I think that strategy sucks and I will not subscribe. You do you.

Fair enough.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 8:40 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:39 am I think that strategy sucks and I will not subscribe. You do you.
Fair enough.

The prior question stands.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 9:31 am**

One answer is right above it.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 9:32 am**

And you are misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say anyone voted at random. I am saying CFDs bring the hunting process to a success rate closer to randomness than otherwise.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 9:40 am**

After perusing the thread in sequence, I no longer think Mac is suspicious. I see what he was trying to do.

JJJ went down a few notches for me. I think my initial intuition was just to follow him and hope that he’s not bad because I don’t wanna play with a bad JJJ. How do you solve a problem like a bad JJJ?

I do think wolbre is pure mafia though. And perhaps sprityo. I don’t have a case yet, but know that’s where my head’s at.

I am less sure about jack as I was spewing yesterday. My D1 reads are notoriously shit anyway.

I actually don’t find Kyle suspicious for his off wagon vote here. I support his reasoning mostly because I too was feeling pressured during the CFD and didn’t feel like conscribing to horoscopes of badness. I know we just caught ColinisCool for doing this exact thing on D1 in Greece mafia, so I’m keeping that in mind, but since we know one of Lap and LC is supagood and we have no idea on LC yet ima leave him on the back burner.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 9:42 am**

LC reaction to being tied was vwry genuine. Id rather not lynch him.

Lap shouldn't have been lynched either I'd say we had some mafia movement to push them to the top two.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 9:42 am**

Ddl and scotty are both looking good right now imo.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 9:51 am**

sig wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 9:42 am Ddl and scotty are both looking good right now imo.

You’re looking good to me too, my man.

Which means you’re probably mafia

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 10:32 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 4:15 am

I hate being late, hate hate hate it! Such brilliant students as yourselves don't deserve that!

Not that the E class noticed. They were too busy poking each other with sticks to even notice lapluie had impaled herself with one! Oops!

lapluie has been lynched.

Spoiler: show
She was Karma Akabane.

Night 1 has begun. To make up for the late host post (and also because I'm busy tomorrow as well) Night 1 will be extended to 9:30 AEST on Sunday (about 39 hours).

Please take your time Quin. I have MBA this weekend. And a job interview on monday. And maybe another interview on tuesday. The more the game delays, the better.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:26 pm**

Murp.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:32 pm**

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:13 pm @Dyslexicon is your icon from RPDR

No, it's a drag queen named Loris from a lesser known show called Dragula, but I do love me some drag race, indeed. Vaaanjie!

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:36 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:10 pmI don't deserve that.

Ok fine. I want to retract my statement. Not fuck you. You are not an asshole and a dick. I'm sorry.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:38 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:52 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:38 am I'll bite though.

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
Here's why I voted for you Jack, you can add it to your list.

Heh. I guessed right.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:38 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 5:47 am I’ve got 6 pages of shit to read

And you guys lynched lapluie. I’d better see some good reasonings in this

Didn't you vote her D1 as well?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:41 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.

What is a hot potato? I'm hungry.

Also, town is winning, obivously, cause town is awesome. BUT, I want to stress that if all town does not start getting involved for real we're not going anywhere. There are five mafia members, and we do need coordination and a sense of urgency. Just a mantra I have.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:44 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:33 am The procedure is not to close yours eyes and vote randomly like you guys did there.

Like the day has 24 hours for a reason. You use them. The moment Mac threw the word CFD the rest of you dropped every discussion you had done so far and started randomly changing your vote like madmen.

Well, yeah, meh. Personally I feel that without a super clear direction, CFD at the end of day 1 is not the worst way to go because 1) you can get lucky and 2) everyone participating gives information and reacts in a fast paced thread. (3 - it's kind of fun).

I would prefer building good cases going forward. Do you have any? I'm more in PoE land right now. More about that later.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:49 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.
What is a hot potato? I'm hungry.

Also, town is winning, obivously, cause town is awesome. BUT, I want to stress that if all town does not start getting involved for real we're not going anywhere. There are five mafia members, and we do need coordination and a sense of urgency. Just a mantra I have.

The post from Quin says that there are 4 mafia, did I miss something?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:50 pm**

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:49 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.
What is a hot potato? I'm hungry.

Also, town is winning, obivously, cause town is awesome. BUT, I want to stress that if all town does not start getting involved for real we're not going anywhere. There are five mafia members, and we do need coordination and a sense of urgency. Just a mantra I have.
The post from Quin says that there are 4 mafia, did I miss something?

And the Golden character seems to be a town aligned 3p unless he counts as nontown for numbers?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:53 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:41 pm What is a hot potato? I'm hungry.

A less icky term for "CFD".

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:53 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am I don't really think this thing was a hot potato. Whatever it was, a civilian was lynched.

On Day 1, a civilian usually gets lynched. Oh well, it sucks, but we move forward. If the game maintains its pace, we'll be fine. The civilians are winning right now.
What is a hot potato? I'm hungry.

Also, town is winning, obivously, cause town is awesome. BUT, I want to stress that if all town does not start getting involved for real we're not going anywhere. There are five mafia members, and we do need coordination and a sense of urgency. Just a mantra I have.

Imo going by the role description and the character himself the indie is anything but mafia.

He may actually have a wincon of his own but he seems geared to help town.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:54 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:10 pmI don't deserve that.
Ok fine. I want to retract my statement. Not fuck you. You are not an asshole and a dick. I'm sorry.

It's fine; it's an emotional game.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:54 pm**

Unless something crazy comes to light, I will be voting wolbre tomorrow.

Why?

-His post have an affected “niceness” to them. Dys pointed it out in D0, and sig just pointed it out after this flip.

-He hasn’t ruffled any feathers. This goes with the first point, but if you look at his brief ISO, you will see that the only 2 game-relevant posts he made were after D1 ended. One was JJJ, who he said was “being funky” but then followed with

as some sort of half assed apology. (He also apologizes later to JJJ with a “I don’t dislike you though (just so you know)”) Again, too nice.
His other point he latches onto is Kyle’s off wagon vote. I would classify Kyle’s offvote as low-hanging fruit. Somehow, wolbre avoided talking about the rest of the lynch entirely and only focused on Kyle for not being involved enough to place a vote where it counted. Not a bad argument, semantically, except-

-wolbre didn’t even vote. Pot, meet kettle. You can’t call out Kyle as your one denouncement when you yourself abstained from everything in D1.

1 down.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:59 pm**

Here's what I got now -

LC - I really do not like making this read, but I do think LC is town for the way he reacted to almost being lynched. I hope he doesn't do it again, cause it's unnecessary imo, but done is done and we all have felt the feels of mafia. I will not sleep on this read though.

Kyle - is town to me because I feel his reaction to Jack's interrogation is pure and it's relatable. Feeling the weight of being the deciding factor on D1 can be a lot. How he comes across in that interaction resonates with me. If he's faking it as scum, good on him, but I lean towards it being honest.

Mac - is town or consider me fooled.

Jimmeeey - I just hope he's town and I haven't seen a whole lot that makes me think otherwise. I have been on a scum team with him, and I don't think our playstyles or at least meta-thoughts about mafia in general are all that different. Don't know if that makes it easier or not for me to read him.

Nova - I think is town, especially for questioning lapluie before the flip if what she was saying didn't come from a mafia perspective.

---

I was going to be all "I don't trust Scotty and I don't know why", but then I find that I agree with pretty much everything he's saying in his last post. So who knows. Hi, Scotty.

There's a bunch of just nulls.
Circling back to Juliets and Sprit as suspect. Nobody has the slightest interest in talking about Penny, and I wish he would have an interest to talk to us. What's a Dom?

I just remembered Epi was in the game. I have had an early town read on them, but I've consciously had in mind that I think I've been at odds with Epi's perspectives pretty much every game we've both been town, and that hasn't happened here. Less of a presense than I would expect.

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@Jack - What was your problem with Kyle's vote off wagon anyway?

@Jimmey - Do you trust me a lot or a bit right now? What was up with the sudden interrogation spree at EoD? Do you think Wolbre is a good lynch candidate for D2? Are you consciously not giving out many town reads aloud?

@LC - Would really like to see some analysis from you about EoD and just everything. Hi.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 12:59 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:44 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:33 am The procedure is not to close yours eyes and vote randomly like you guys did there.

Like the day has 24 hours for a reason. You use them. The moment Mac threw the word CFD the rest of you dropped every discussion you had done so far and started randomly changing your vote like madmen.
Well, yeah, meh. Personally I feel that without a super clear direction, CFD at the end of day 1 is not the worst way to go because 1) you can get lucky and 2) everyone participating gives information and reacts in a fast paced thread. (3 - it's kind of fun).

I would prefer building good cases going forward. Do you have any? I'm more in PoE land right now. More about that later.

I'm more on the weak reads territory. I have weak bad reads on nova, Avito, wolbre and Dom. Weak civ reads on you, Jay, and Scotty. Neutral on everyone else I think.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:01 pm**

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:50 pmAnd the Golden character seems to be a town aligned 3p unless he counts as nontown for numbers?

hey, what??

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:02 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:53 pmImo going by the role description and the character himself the indie is anything but mafia.

He may actually have a wincon of his own but he seems geared to help town.

Right, four mafia, I had pictured five for some reason. The indie might not be a direct threat, and the bigger team would be the bigger threat anyway. That feels a bit better, but still "places, people - people, places" etc.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:03 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:01 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:50 pmAnd the Golden character seems to be a town aligned 3p unless he counts as nontown for numbers?
hey, what??

nevermind, you're talking about the weird octopus man

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:06 pm**

Oooh yeah, Dom is playing this game too. 4 posts. That’s where I should have voted yesterday. Oh well. We rode a train called freedom

Currently most suspect of, in order of most willing to lynch:

-wolbre
-sprityo
-Dom

-jack?

Dys, DDL, sig is leaning town.

Pennywise and Dom both need to talk or else they’re going to draw my vote sooner or later

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:07 pm**

Is it just me or is there less assertive reads in this game than normal? Like, few read lists, few players asserting or grouping reads? Can we like, do that more, at least as a starting point? Maybe it's just me.

linki, like that

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:09 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:06 pm Oooh yeah, Dom is playing this game too. 4 posts. That’s where I should have voted yesterday. Oh well. We rode a train called freedom

Currently most suspect of, in order of most willing to lynch:

-wolbre
-sprityo
-Dom

-jack?

Dys, DDL, sig is leaning town.

Pennywise and Dom both need to talk or else they’re going to draw my vote sooner or later

Can you tell me why you lean town on Sig?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:10 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:07 pm Is it just me or is there less assertive reads in this game than normal? Like, few read lists, few players asserting or grouping reads? Can we like, do that more, at least as a starting point? Maybe it's just me.

linki, like that

Here’s the issue as I see it:

Most people are vanilla and just don’t feel confident on anything. I don’t know how these “latent” powers work. But maybe people are gunshy and readshy on account of waiting for something to happen.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:11 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:06 pm Oooh yeah, Dom is playing this game too. 4 posts. That’s where I should have voted yesterday. Oh well. We rode a train called freedom

Currently most suspect of, in order of most willing to lynch:

-wolbre
-sprityo
-Dom

-jack?

Dys, DDL, sig is leaning town.

Pennywise and Dom both need to talk or else they’re going to draw my vote sooner or later
Can you tell me why you lean town on Sig?

Only because he is on the same page as me on wolbre.
Could be distancing. And sometimes I get shit in ny face for calling sig town. He was town when I thought he was town recently, and I think he is town here.

But with sig...you just never know.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:12 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:10 pmHere’s the issue as I see it:

Most people are vanilla and just don’t feel confident on anything. I don’t know how these “latent” powers work. But maybe people are gunshy and readshy on account of waiting for something to happen.

Well, yeah, but nothing is going to happen unless you just push and make things happen and start with what you got. But you all know that, I'm just being a bit pushy and impatient and stuff. (Also, my favorite role is vanilla, and my favorite games are all vanilla or low powered games. Mafia is a game that is solvable also without any powers. *preaching*)

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:14 pm**

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] have we played together before?

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:16 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:14 pm @Dyslexicon have we played together before?

Yes. Fiddler, I believe. There was a lot of drama around you at the beginning of the game, and then you were more or less obvious town from there on.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:16 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:10 pmHere’s the issue as I see it:

Most people are vanilla and just don’t feel confident on anything. I don’t know how these “latent” powers work. But maybe people are gunshy and readshy on account of waiting for something to happen.
Well, yeah, but nothing is going to happen unless you just push and make things happen and start with what you got. But you all know that, I'm just being a bit pushy and impatient and stuff. (Also, my favorite role is vanilla, and my favorite games are all vanilla or low powered games. Mafia is a game that is solvable also without any powers. *preaching*)

I’m with you. Whenever I play ultimate werewolf or Avalon IRL, I crave vanilla as often as possible so I can get a better read on others.

For some reason with online mafia, I like having a power of some sort. Makes me feel useful. I often feel useless on this site as vanilla because often times, being in the dark is its own kind of fuck you when other people can manipulate the game.

Kinda hypocritical of me, but it probably has to do with timing. If I’m gonna sit down and do reads for n hour, I want to feel like it’s a fair game and I’m getting things right. It’s just easier to solve the game when you are a power role. In a fast game IRL, games are over in 30 minutes or less and the downtime doesn’t make me lose steam

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:20 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:58 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 11:09 pm wow can someone like @ me, thanks
Btw I voting for epi

im not the only one to ask but what?????

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 1:26 pm [VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine because i can't Unvote

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 5:47 am I’ve got 6 pages of shit to read

And you guys lynched lapluie. I’d better see some good reasonings in this

Gurl. This is not a cute look. You voted Lapluie and spent time defending your reasons as better than other people's reasons. And then vote yourself because ??? And then you come in after the flip and wants to police the lynch.

If you're town: Gurl.
If you're scum: Gurl.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2018 1:20 pm**

The people at the bottom of my POE pool are probably quite similar to Scotty's three suspects. I might exchange one or two for someone given time to dig.

wolbre is a dark orange skittle.

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