The Syndicate

Llama has leapfrogged (leapllama’d?) dunya as my strongest town read, but I’d be pretty comfortable trusting each of them for now.

I feel strongly that juliets is bad. I’d give it a 4.0 out of 5 on the scumometer.

The mystery remained unsolved after one day. The gang had interrogated Cricket vigorously and then left him locked in the dumpster outside to think about how much he would like to reveal next time (before forgetting him there). This morning though the scene became worse than ever.



Charlie: "Holy shit dude! That's Dennis! Holy shit Dennis is dead! There's a gaddamn killer on the loose and they got my best friend, oh my god."

Dee: "Oh stop, he'll be fine. I'll check you turkeys later; I'm out of here.

Charlie: "Fine? He's DEAD right there in front of you, look! What the hell dude?" *nudges Dennis's corpse with his foot a few times as he shouts*

Mac: "Wait, wait, we need to back up here. Charlie... I am fairly certain that I am your best friend. You said though that Dennis..."

Charlie: "That's what you're worried about right now? Jesus Christ man this is pathetic, our friend is dead. Aw shit..."

Mac: "We had better start praying. I can lead us. Where is our Bible? Guys, where is our gaddamned Bible?"

Day 2 is underway. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

RIP Dunya

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm if i die tonight sloonei and im not here to remind you: don't tunnel juliets. i trust my read in her completely now. trust my ability to tell apart the types of frustrations you mentioned.

I am not tunneling.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

But not in a tunneling fashion.

Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

That does seem like a waste of a cop ability.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

That does seem like a waste of a cop ability.

Sorry, I had to make sure she is SOOOOOO good at looking town when she's not. That's why I was so comfortable declaring she was a strong town read, I knew I was checking her and could reverse it and tell everyone I was the cop if she did turn out to be bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

I should have checked you.

If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

I should have checked you.

I think it’s usually best to check the player you’re most unsure about, whoever that may be. But this isn’t important right now.

I’m 50/50 on whether or not I believe you. It’s a bold claim if you’re lying.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

I should have checked you.

I think it’s usually best to check the player you’re most unsure about, whoever that may be. But this isn’t important right now.

I’m 50/50 on whether or not I believe you. It’s a bold claim if you’re lying.

I can't believe you're 50/50. Do you know anything about me? Bold moves are not my style. But anyway, it really doesn't matter if you Lynch me or not because my night action is used up. The only downside it we can only afford two mislynches.

EBWOP: is not it

Also we HAVE to keep talking. dunya kept us on the move discussing things. We can't let that slip and this game be one where the baddies win again because the civs aren't talking.

If juliets is lying, she’s setting herself up to be counterclaimed very easily. It could be that the mafia team is comprised of two goons, she being one of them. This being the case they would know that the civilians have either a 1-shot cop or a 2-shot tracker. If she claims cop with a negated shot, she is essentially bating the real power role to claim. In doing that she all but ensures that she doesn’t make it to lylo, as best case scenario for mafia is that we lynch her counterclaim today and then her tomorrow. With a 2-person team, I think such a sacrifice is unlikely.

Another scenario is that she is mafia and knows that there is no cop, or are at best unsure of the setup. By claiming cop she can create chaos and false security for herself in the thread if she believed she can’t be counterclaimed. That’s an extremely risky move, and not one that I think would he viable. Unlikely.

I can’t think of a viable mafia strategy for juliets to make this claim up. I’m the only one who suspected her, so she didn’t need to shake anything. I can regard juliets are mechanically pseduo-cleared for now.

See, I told you I wasn’t tunneling. I just had some unresolved issues with her Day 1 behavior.

I’ll vote for mongoose now.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm Well damn.

So now I can tell you Sloonei that you can lynch away at me because I'm the one-shot cop and I used my shot last night to assure myself that dunya was civ. It was a gamble and I lost. So go to it. Tell everyone how well you read me.

Why did you do that?

I should have checked you.

I think it’s usually best to check the player you’re most unsure about, whoever that may be. But this isn’t important right now.

I’m 50/50 on whether or not I believe you. It’s a bold claim if you’re lying.

I can't believe you're 50/50. Do you know anything about me? Bold moves are not my style. But anyway, it really doesn't matter if you Lynch me or not because my night action is used up. The only downside it we can only afford two mislynches.

If you knew anything about me you’d know that I can be very cautious and meticulous about clearing folks, and that my reads are always fluid.

I believe juliets. She sounds legitimately frustrated and I don't think she would take such a risky move as a false claim.

Sloonei and Juliets, answer my Luna question.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:56 pm Sloonei and Juliets, answer my Luna question.

I have her as a light town read. She’s often a suspect even when she’s town, so I try not to fall into any easy pitfalls when reading her. Her reads have been fairly light this game and that’s a concern. But I don’t outright suspect her for the way she jumped on my Colin case yesterday. I think that’s something civilian Luna is prone to do. If she is influenced by a case, she’ll say so.
I need to hear more from her.

Another note about juliets: her frustration with my suspicion yesterday makes a lot more sense in the context that she’s the cop. Being suspected as a vanilla civilian is annoying. Being suspected as a civilian power role is infuriating.

Dipping my toes into the WIFOM pool just a little: Colin would be crafty enough to vote for No Lynch on Day 1 while banking on the probability that we’d town-read him for it.

I have a difficult time convincing myself that civilian Colin would opt to vote for No Lynch, but I don’t know if I’m being totallt fair in that assessment.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:56 pm Sloonei and Juliets, answer my Luna question.

Sorry let me go back and find it.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 pm Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

When we did the exercise this afternoon she came out number 1 on my list of baddies. I didn't like her dunya post that she was shining like a bright civ light or something like that coming as early as it did. Here's what I said earlier this afternoon when I was looking for reasons for her to be town:

"I just re-read Luna this morning. The only two reasons I can see on look back that she would be town is she read you as town but that post is problematic to me now and it occurred to me she could be setting up for plausible deniability in case she NK's you."

Oops I cut off part of the post

Well that kill was quite obviously Nova

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:20 pm Well that kill was quite obviously Nova

That's an interesting thought. Are you thinking that because nova had dunya as one of his top town reads?

dunya was a very obvious kill target regardless of the mafia team.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:34 pm dunya was a very obvious kill target regardless of the mafia team.

I actually thought it would be you to set me up for the lynch. Maybe that would have been too obvious.

Where did llama go. What are you thinking [mention]thellama73[/mention] ?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:34 pm dunya was a very obvious kill target regardless of the mafia team.

I actually thought it would be you to set me up for the lynch. Maybe that would have been too obvious.

I thought it was pretty much a coin flip between dunya and I.

What are the best reasons to trust mac and colin?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:41 pm Where did llama go. What are you thinking @thellama73 ?

What am I thinking about what?

Try to contain your excitement, everyone.

I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:44 pm What are the best reasons to trust mac and colin?

Mac because he seems a lot like the civ Mac from other games I've seen him in and because dunya had a strong town read on him and has played with him for years.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

What are your strongest reads?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

Okay, thanks. Now that Dunya's gone, are your top suspicions still Mac and Luna? I can't help but notice you called yourself a Golden God, when we now know that Dunya was said Golden God, so that is mildly interesting. Might have ben a fake role hint, might have just been using the terminology of the show.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

What are your strongest reads?

I feel best about juliets being town and Mongoose being town. I don’t really understand the Mongoose case tbh

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:42 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

Okay, thanks. Now that Dunya's gone, are your top suspicions still Mac and Luna? I can't help but notice you called yourself a Golden God, when we now know that Dunya was said Golden God, so that is mildly interesting. Might have ben a fake role hint, might have just been using the terminology of the show.

Yeah but I do need to read the end of N1. The Golden God bit is just a line from the show (as is calling Mac a “Bastard Man”).

You know if I was really feeling up to it I could roleplay as Charlie and have all my posts be completely illegible

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

What are your strongest reads?

I feel best about juliets being town and Mongoose being town. I don’t really understand the Mongoose case tbh

Mongoose is one of your two strongest town reads? Why? Who’s your strongest suspect?

Luna

I see a ton of authenticity in Mongoose’s game. We’re kindred spirits of being in over our heads.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:57 pm I see a ton of authenticity in Mongoose’s game. We’re kindred spirits of being in over our heads.

She could only name one suspect in her GTH reads. What do you make of that?

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:05 pm @Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.