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im inclined to just give that claim a day. fatmo doesn’t really seem scummy to me anyway. but idk who is scum now. if i take fatmo as town and rule out mac/lc off that, what’s left? 1612 still no. nook don’t think so. ted? with lc or mac? idk i don’t like that tbh. still feel like ted is town

Oh and I guess in theory maybe there could be a Vig who shot Tutuu for some reason and my RB actually did work? I dunno if that makes any sense.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:44 pm I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

why on earth would you do that

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:46 pm Oh and I guess in theory maybe there could be a Vig who shot Tutuu for some reason and my RB actually did work? I dunno if that makes any sense.

if tutuu was a vig shot that should be claimed asap because it confirms at least one of lc/mac as scum

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:45 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:44 pm I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

It’s anti-village but the way he handled it was townie imo, I find myself doing those kinds of pushes in a lot of my games when I have a scum read but scum on like tone and leave room for doubt, often in the form of a PR read

Like it’s obviously stupid but villagery nonetheless

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:48 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:45 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:44 pm I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

It’s anti-village but the way he handled it was townie imo, I find myself doing those kinds of pushes in a lot of my games when I have a scum read but scum on like tone and leave room for doubt, often in the form of a PR read

who is mafia ted? do you have two names?

I don’t have two names, 1 in Hally / LC is where I’m at

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:48 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:45 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:44 pm I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

It’s anti-village but the way he handled it was townie imo, I find myself doing those kinds of pushes in a lot of my games when I have a scum read but scum on like tone and leave room for doubt, often in the form of a PR read

Sorry I don't really follow this. Can you expand a bit more? I still don't get why he was doing that and I'm not really sure what you mean here.

Like he was just pushing me two minutes after I got in the game because I started posting immediately and he claimed to not like my posts. Then just started hammering me about revealing any PR I had immediately.

So what do you mean when you say he was leaving doubt in the form of a PR read? He never seemed to doubt the read even when he got me to spew PR, and doubled down to start today when he declared he'd be voting for me.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:53 pm I don’t have two names, 1 in Hally / LC is where I’m at

ok lets say you’re right and lc is mafia. who is his teammate? it’s obviously not me. can’t be mac because fatmo. can’t be fatmo unless you don’t believe his claim. nook? 1612?

I will try to articulate it better in the morning when I’m a lot more coherent, I don’t expect you to really agree with the take because it’s very dependent on personality and how one approaches the game.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:53 pm I don’t have two names, 1 in Hally / LC is where I’m at

ok lets say you’re right and lc is mafia. who is his teammate? it’s obviously not me. can’t be mac because fatmo. can’t be fatmo unless you don’t believe his claim. nook? 1612?

It could be as easy as LC and Nanook. I can’t really spot your intentions with these posts. Are you suggesting it couldn’t be possible? If you don’t have a good grip on the game as you claim you do, I’m sure that would explain why it is so.

Hally, what is your read on me right now?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:59 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:53 pm I don’t have two names, 1 in Hally / LC is where I’m at

ok lets say you’re right and lc is mafia. who is his teammate? it’s obviously not me. can’t be mac because fatmo. can’t be fatmo unless you don’t believe his claim. nook? 1612?

It could be as easy as LC and Nanook. I can’t really spot your intentions with these posts. Are you suggesting it couldn’t be possible? If you don’t have a good grip on the game as you claim you do, I’m sure that would explain why it is so.

explain why what is so? i’m trying to see what your solve looks like. i don’t know what my intent beyond that is

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:01 pm Hally, what is your read on me right now?

i don’t know. i want to read you town but im having doubts because i can’t think of teams. like i don’t think fatmo os scum. 1612 is not scum or im just literally the worst. so what that leaves is

you
nook
lc
mac

of which lc/mac cannot be a thing. so like? mac/nook? lc/nook? but i feel like its not nook. but i don’t think its you either. so maybe it is nook? with mac or lc?

You were saying that you don’t have a good grip of the game. Neither do I. If you are villager actually telling the truth, then that solve could probably tell us why we don’t have any stronger grip on the game, wouldn’t it? They’re both PoE-y targets that aren’t really looking like wolves, it’s just that they aren’t townie.

I thought your posts came across as you trying to suddenly push me and I found it weird that you didn’t think this would be reasonable if you were actually genuine.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:09 pm of which lc/mac cannot be a thing.

It's highly unlikely but isn't impossible because of some of the exceptions I've pointed out.

But yea assuming that's not the team for today is the right call.

Alternatively, it could very well be Hally / Nanook and you’re just clearing him for... ??? reasons.

mac/ted - probably not based on interactions
mac/lc - hard no based on mech/interactions
mac/nook - possible
ted/nook - possible
ted/lc - possible? kinda doubt it though for some reason
nook/lc - possible

so if fatmo and 1612 are town nook is probably just mafia?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:11 pm You were saying that you don’t have a good grip of the game. Neither do I. If you are villager actually telling the truth, then that solve could probably tell us why we don’t have any stronger grip on the game, wouldn’t it? They’re both PoE-y targets that aren’t really looking like wolves, it’s just that they aren’t townie.

I thought your posts came across as you trying to suddenly push me and I found it weird that you didn’t think this would be reasonable if you were actually genuine.

no you misunderstood. that wasn’t me pushing you

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:15 pm Alternatively, it could very well be Hally / Nanook and you’re just clearing him for... ??? reasons.

not anymore

The problem I have with you, Hally, is that you had a lot of shotgunned reads, you acted like you had some amount of confidence in each one, and you then come into the next day saying you have a poor grasp on the game, presumably to pocket me.

Now you are doing the same shotgunned read with Nanook and I really don’t know why you think he’s town beyond ... tone?

I don’t think it’s even just a one time occurrence, but I could be wrong on that statement

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:17 pm mac/ted - probably not based on interactions

What interactions? I did think how Ted just said they soft clear Mac based on his push on me seemed a bit strange, and I didn't understand his explanation. You also seemed a bit confused by the explanation.

I'd be curious to see what interactions from earlier you think rule this team out, since you clearly saw something at some point that gave you that impression.

Btw I’m on phone so idk how close I am to postcap, i assume I’ve already burnt through at least 20 posts, please let me know if I get close to 50 within the first hours of the day lol

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:17 pm mac/ted - probably not based on interactions

What interactions? I did think how Ted just said they soft clear Mac based on his push on me seemed a bit strange, and I didn't understand his explanation. You also seemed a bit confused by the explanation.

I'd be curious to see what interactions from earlier you think rule this team out, since you clearly saw something at some point that gave you that impression.

It’s not strange, it’s just I probably have a hard time describing it because it’s a play style thing that’s embedded within my mind, will try and elaborate on it in the morning.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:20 pm The problem I have with you, Hally, is that you had a lot of shotgunned reads, you acted like you had some amount of confidence in each one, and you then come into the next day saying you have a poor grasp on the game, presumably to pocket me.

Now you are doing the same shotgunned read with Nanook and I really don’t know why you think he’s town beyond ... tone?

i don’t know why or where it looked like to you that i had confidence in my reads. ive been confident in some of them, others not. some im confident in when i say them, then i doubt later. right now i don’t feel confident

what is this pocketing you thing? you actually think me saying im not confident in my reads is specifically designed to pocket you in particular? like what

and im not clearing nook anymore. look at my posts just now. im not giving him a pass anymore

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:24 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:17 pm mac/ted - probably not based on interactions

What interactions? I did think how Ted just said they soft clear Mac based on his push on me seemed a bit strange, and I didn't understand his explanation. You also seemed a bit confused by the explanation.

I'd be curious to see what interactions from earlier you think rule this team out, since you clearly saw something at some point that gave you that impression.

It’s not strange, it’s just I probably have a hard time describing it because it’s a play style thing that’s embedded within my mind, will try and elaborate on it in the morning.

Yea you said that, and I'm willing to give you the space and time to explain. I'm not like hard sussing you, but that did ping me a bit. I was more curious as to why Hally came to the conclusion that you and mac specifically didn't seem likely based on interactions. I assume this is based on interactions I either glossed over from D1 or didn't see at all. And she also seemed a bit confused by your explanation.

So this is more me questioning Hally rather than you. I already have my questions outstanding for you and you have said you'll explain in more detail in the morning. And that's fine for now. There's plenty of time left.

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:17 pm mac/ted - probably not based on interactions

What interactions? I did think how Ted just said they soft clear Mac based on his push on me seemed a bit strange, and I didn't understand his explanation. You also seemed a bit confused by the explanation.

I'd be curious to see what interactions from earlier you think rule this team out, since you clearly saw something at some point that gave you that impression.

idk i felt like their interactions d1 didn’t look teamed. also when n1 started

[VOTE: nook] aubergine

mafia team is probably just him and one of lc/mac

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:26 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:20 pm The problem I have with you, Hally, is that you had a lot of shotgunned reads, you acted like you had some amount of confidence in each one, and you then come into the next day saying you have a poor grasp on the game, presumably to pocket me.

Now you are doing the same shotgunned read with Nanook and I really don’t know why you think he’s town beyond ... tone?

i don’t know why or where it looked like to you that i had confidence in my reads. ive been confident in some of them, others not. some im confident in when i say them, then i doubt later. right now i don’t feel confident

what is this pocketing you thing? you actually think me saying im not confident in my reads is specifically designed to pocket you in particular? like what

and im not clearing nook anymore. look at my posts just now. im not giving him a pass anymore

I do know you do it as scum, and looking at your D1, you did have reads that I didn’t really get but you were fairly comfortable with, at least fmpov, when I didn’t have anything on anyone. So I found it weird that you are now looking like you dropped most of them. (as I wrote this, I realised that Alison and 1612 are the same slot so I may have inflated the number of reads)

It does look like a silly thing but I can’t really help but scrutinize it, especially when you haven’t been as townie as I think you can be, I always town read you easily. Not having you as strong town pings me and most of the things you do seem agenda-y.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:35 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

Okay so Fatmo blocked me from saving Tutuu. Legit. I had a one use save.

Did it actually take you that long to realize I was voting you ???

Team is Fatmo/Mac or they’re both town, calling it now

[mention]Fatmo[/mention] i hope you're not town cuz that's one hell of a throw.

Fatmac would be a dope team but I doubt that’s what we’re seeing here

So I’m just gonna clear them both tbh

Fwiw my reaction to how Hally has started today mirrored Ted's. I'm just out atm so only checking in on my phone randomly.

I shouldn’t have drank that pepsi

Clearing Fatmo sounds kinda dumb considering he roleblocked me who was being town cleared by most of the game including the person y'all chopped wrongly d1.

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:32 pm Fuck I should have asked LC and Mac what they tried to do last night first lol.

Yes. And you should have just outed your role when I asked you to also.

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:36 pm Yea Mac why did you call Shenanigans? Did you try to do something and figured out it didn't work?

People who have played Mac a lot before, how much does he tend to soft?

Expecting Fatmo to use PRs in a way that makes sense is going to be an exercise in frustration

Fatmo, why did you choose to block Joseph and myself?

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:45 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:44 pm I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

Aren't you the one with role knowledge that I didn't kill Tutuu?

If you so much as blink a scum read on me from now on I'm gonna donkey punch you.

Why did you choose to protect tutuu?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:48 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:45 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:44 pm I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

It’s anti-village but the way he handled it was townie imo, I find myself doing those kinds of pushes in a lot of my games when I have a scum read but scum on like tone and leave room for doubt, often in the form of a PR read

It wasn't anti village at all. If Fatmo did what he should have done it would have been extremely pro village. But Fatmo is scum with Hally and that's that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:47 pm Why did you choose to protect tutuu?

Because Tutuu was the most obvious shot fmpov. She was town clearing a bunch of people, had a POE and was ringleading. There is/was tinfoil on everyone else or worse.