The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:09 pm It's unfortunate that it's 4am Mac time, and this leaves just about zero time between now and EOD for him to say anything.

great time to ask about the away message thing

is it like a last will?

That appears to be it's most strategic function if not wasted on memes.

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:09 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:59 pm Well, I sort of want to townread you more for not being able to deduce anything out of it imo. Feel like a wolf would try and fake a progression, or at least take some sort of stance

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:36 am I also have a slight townread on Dana from our brief discussions in our IM

thinkin....

There was something you said in our IM which I sort of liked. Something about a post that you were hesitant to make because you didn't want mafia to fill in the gaps. It felt like a weird concern to make if you were mafia, or something that you may not have thought about as mafia. The first post you quoted was me expanding on the read

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:09 pm It's unfortunate that it's 4am Mac time, and this leaves just about zero time between now and EOD for him to say anything.

great time to ask about the away message thing

is it like a last will?

it's kind of like a status? they were usually edgy song lyrics (at least in my circle)

Were they posted somewhere?

i assume they will be part of the night post

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:01 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:01 am Like if Ted is being genuine then he should be looking at whom has the most posts in the game.
I don’t see him doing much other then sitting in the back with a case on me on his shoulders and a pillow on his back.
That’s the only thing I see going for Ted so I’d say we both in a similar boat

I don't understand this point, why would genuine ted be looking at the player with the most posts?

My point exactly!
(As I’m pretty sure it’s me)

I just posted a meme for my away message tbh

The away message is an uninformed last will. It's due one hour before the end of the day, so the flip won't be known yet. I suggest folks treat it as an "if I die" function to provide legacy reads. I will try to provide conditional legacy reads given both possible flips.

@Seanzie how do you feel about Marmot voting you?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:09 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:59 pm Well, I sort of want to townread you more for not being able to deduce anything out of it imo. Feel like a wolf would try and fake a progression, or at least take some sort of stance

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:36 am I also have a slight townread on Dana from our brief discussions in our IM

thinkin....

There was something you said in our IM which I sort of liked. Something about a post that you were hesitant to make because you didn't want mafia to fill in the gaps. It felt like a weird concern to make if you were mafia, or something that you may not have thought about as mafia. The first post you quoted was me expanding on the read

hmm ok that's valid. i just felt like our chat wasn't super substantial so i was concerned you were "faking progression" like you said a wolf would do but those are good points

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:12 pm reason #1

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:20 am

Dana wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:18 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:13 am was it just me that thought gavial's re-entry to the thread was pretty limp

it seemed mostly okay-ish to me, is he usually stronger? lots of jokes i guess but it is still early day 1

i don't know what the usual is for him

but popping in, giving two seeming random town reads on two singular posts, making a readslist (that you can't even keep track of - he didn't say anything about his PoE'd people), and then asking one of your PoE'd people if you can sheep their vote and then leaving the thread seems about as limp as it gets

reason #2

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:50 am from your iso it appeared like you had an issue with mac being too high on town lists and you apparently town read him off of an interaction that you can’t even see with your own eyes

your progression on mac is really hard to keep track of, can you explain the whole thing?

@Gavial

I explained the last one, as for the first one did you know who Bo was voting at the time?
@tedxtr
Now look at my interactions with Nanook.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:15 pm @Seanzie how do you feel about Marmot voting you?

Honestly, it is about half of the reason I feel better about him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Marmot @Esooa @TonyStarkPrime I think you're the four talking with Mac in BTSC?

If so, what do you think of him in that arena?

Nanook's ISOs have exactly zero impact upon my view of him. They were treated as jokes, and I will also treat them as jokes. No points are awarded for effort, nor are points deducted for false effort.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:14 pm The away message is an uninformed last will. It's due one hour before the end of the day, so the flip won't be known yet. I suggest folks treat it as an "if I die" function to provide legacy reads. I will try to provide conditional legacy reads given both possible flips.

can you pls explain this last sentence a little more? you already know how you're going to flip right? maybe i just don't understand what a conditional legacy read is

I can’t tell if boknows somewhat demotivated feel is a townie or scummy look for him

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:14 pm The away message is an uninformed last will. It's due one hour before the end of the day, so the flip won't be known yet. I suggest folks treat it as an "if I die" function to provide legacy reads. I will try to provide conditional legacy reads given both possible flips.

can you pls explain this last sentence a little more? you already know how you're going to flip right? maybe i just don't understand what a conditional legacy read is

I am referring to the flip of whoever ends up eliminated by vote. We won't know that result until after we've already sent in the away messages.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:22 pm I can’t tell if boknows somewhat demotivated feel is a townie or scummy look for him

It may not necessarily be "bad", but it will absolutely never be good.

gavial, i said i was softening my scum read on you

Dana
Esooa
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
Marmot
tedxtr

---POE Line---

BoKnows
Gavial
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
TonyStarkPrime

Names within tiers are only alphabetical. We still have room for a POE of six, so that's what I have here. We would benefit from narrowing it further though, especially if I am right and end up dead early.

BoKnows and Gavial -- I have no personal reason to call either of these players civilians. Call them my "top two suspects" if such a thing need exist.

I can formulate suspicions of Mac, Nanook, and Tony if I want to. These three all have some kind of loose connections that might make them compatible with each other, but not necessarily problematic on their own.

Seanzie seems fine over the last page or so. I have room for six though so he stays put.

If I am wrong about a green name, my first guess would be Esooa. I don't feel strongly about that or have much concern at the moment, otherwise I wouldn't post this at all.

placing my spirit vote on macdougall, since i know he’s not getting yeeted toDay

BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:40 pm BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

rand as in.. a random choice to vote for?

Dana wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:44 pm ok then i think this is correct if all my logic is right, pls let me know if i'm wrong about any of these

Bo -> Falcon
Dana -> JPIC
Esooa -> Mac
Falcon -> Sean
Gavial -> Marmot
JJJ -> Tony
JPIC -> Marmot
Mac -> Esooa or Tony
Marmot -> Nanook
Nanook -> Mac
Sean -> Marmot
Ted -> JPIC
Tony -> Mac

Everyone should verify they are recorded correctly here.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:37 pm placing my spirit vote on macdougall, since i know he’s not getting yeeted toDay

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:40 pm BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

These are exactly the two people I'm considering for my vote. Perhaps with an outside chance of Nook, but BK or Mac would be better IMO.

I would place my real vote on Mac but it feels mean to do so without him being here to be able to defend himself

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:42 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:40 pm BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

rand as in.. a random choice to vote for?

his alignment seems to be exactly at a rand value

which is 75% town, 25% wolf

when you hear the phrase (he seems pretty rand to me) it means there isn’t a lot of information to discern his alignment in any way

if it’s >rand “insert alignment” then the person saying it means that they believe the player has a higher chance of being “insert alignment”

also one of my main overarching problems with the game of mafia in general is that we start voting ppl off before anything bad has even happened yet! no one has died we are all just chilling being friends and then we're like... ok u seem like u would kill someone lets preemptively kill u first

I think Bo is just a better chop than Mac is. I think it's valid to be suspicious of Mac, but I don't think the case is good, or at least not good enough to cook him over it without him saying his piece.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:47 pm I think Bo is just a better chop than Mac is. I think it's valid to be suspicious of Mac, but I don't think the case is good, or at least not good enough to cook him over it without him saying his piece.

it’s bad to yeet him d1 just in theory

what’s the case for bo? Demotivated = wolf ?

What we should have though are four people with Mac BTSC who can at least say something about his conduct in that space.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:47 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:42 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:40 pm BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

rand as in.. a random choice to vote for?

his alignment seems to be exactly at a rand value

which is 75% town, 25% wolf

when you hear the phrase (he seems pretty rand to me) it means there isn’t a lot of information to discern his alignment in any way

if it’s >rand “insert alignment” then the person saying it means that they believe the player has a higher chance of being “insert alignment”

so does that mean it's better not to vote for him since it's a 3/4 chance that we're wrong?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:49 pm What we should have though are four people with Mac BTSC who can at least say something about his conduct in that space.

I get the vibe that Mac would be very good at convincing ppl he is good in btsc even if he isn't

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:47 pm also one of my main overarching problems with the game of mafia in general is that we start voting ppl off before anything bad has even happened yet! no one has died we are all just chilling being friends and then we're like... ok u seem like u would kill someone lets preemptively kill u first

D1 can be hard like that, but voting is really important. Even if were aren't fully confident in who we're flipping, each flip gives us more info. Each wagon leads to understanding the people playing better. The only way to effectively worldbuild is to destroy potential worlds, and chops are the most concrete way of doing that.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:49 pm what’s the case for bo? Demotivated = wolf ?

I wouldn't give it an equals sign.

Visible motivation deficiency is never town-indicative, even if it can be town-compatible.

Visible motivation deficiency can be mafia-indicative, and it is by extension mafia-compatible.

I don't believe in mafia reads much more than Nanook does though. I operate with a lack of trust more than the presence of distrust.

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:49 pm What we should have though are four people with Mac BTSC who can at least say something about his conduct in that space.

I get the vibe that Mac would be very good at convincing ppl he is good in btsc even if he isn't

Perhaps so. I would listen to four different people though if they all agree.

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:49 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:47 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:42 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:40 pm BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

rand as in.. a random choice to vote for?

his alignment seems to be exactly at a rand value

which is 75% town, 25% wolf

when you hear the phrase (he seems pretty rand to me) it means there isn’t a lot of information to discern his alignment in any way

if it’s >rand “insert alignment” then the person saying it means that they believe the player has a higher chance of being “insert alignment”

so does that mean it's better not to vote for him since it's a 3/4 chance that we're wrong?

bingo

although i can’t think of a better yeet (that is not mac)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:52 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:49 pm What we should have though are four people with Mac BTSC who can at least say something about his conduct in that space.

I get the vibe that Mac would be very good at convincing ppl he is good in btsc even if he isn't

Perhaps so. I would listen to four different people though if they all agree.

also I think it's only 3 people that chatted with Mac today, Esooa, Nanook, and Tony. Marmot was the one who had 4 pals

Oh I see.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:47 pm name one scum read of macdougall’s right now without reading his iso

sean

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:50 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:47 pm also one of my main overarching problems with the game of mafia in general is that we start voting ppl off before anything bad has even happened yet! no one has died we are all just chilling being friends and then we're like... ok u seem like u would kill someone lets preemptively kill u first

D1 can be hard like that, but voting is really important. Even if were aren't fully confident in who we're flipping, each flip gives us more info. Each wagon leads to understanding the people playing better. The only way to effectively worldbuild is to destroy potential worlds, and chops are the most concrete way of doing that.

yeah that's understandable. i know in my first couple games i was hesitant to vote at all early on bc i felt bad trying to kill ppl on very little evidence but i get that its necessary

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:49 pm If Dana is scum I will eat a sock

Will you take a video of it and post it itt?

Bo's in BTSC with falcon, and falcon doesn't seem to have anything good to say about Bo, for whatever that's worth. falcon doesn't strike me as a trusting sort in general.

are we allowed to talk overnight?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:56 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:49 pm If Dana is scum I will eat a sock

Will you take a video of it and post it itt?

if history repeats itself, even if he says yes, he won’t do it

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:56 pm are we allowed to talk overnight?

I'm assuming not given the away messages, but it doesn't appear to be explicitly stated.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:03 pm I've been suspicious of Marmot most of the game for reasons I can't say, but some of his more recent posts and our BTSC has looked better recently, so I am not that worried about him anymore.

@Marmot how do you feel about Seanzie in BTSC?

sean has been my most active btsc partner, both on in game matters and out of game matters. He spent like 5 hours last night complaining about to which I nodded my head and just explained "that's Papa Bear, you'll learn to love it".

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:03 pm I've been suspicious of Marmot most of the game for reasons I can't say, but some of his more recent posts and our BTSC has looked better recently, so I am not that worried about him anymore.

@Marmot how do you feel about Seanzie in BTSC?

sean has been my most active btsc partner, both on in game matters and out of game matters. He spent like 5 hours last night complaining about you to which I nodded my head and just explained "that's Papa Bear, you'll learn to love it".

Fixed

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:03 pm I've been suspicious of Marmot most of the game for reasons I can't say, but some of his more recent posts and our BTSC has looked better recently, so I am not that worried about him anymore.

@Marmot how do you feel about Seanzie in BTSC?

sean has been my most active btsc partner, both on in game matters and out of game matters. He spent like 5 hours last night complaining about to which I nodded my head and just explained "that's Papa Bear, you'll learn to love it".

Okay but what about his alignment