The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:38 am this engagement is going to be very incheresting on D3

alexa remind me to feed the baby on D3

"setting a reminder for defeating the baby on D3"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:34 am Perhaps I should have been clearer.

I don't care about the points you raised because what happened elsewhere does not dictate what happens here.

Your alignment is not based on what happened in another time.

I am basing my opinion on you on what I gather from your posts. That is all.

"This is scummy."

"But I did exactly that as town."

"Doesn't matter, scummy."

There's not point me even arguing.

Fucking whatever.

I don't care about behavior that isn't in this game.

Then, maybe I guess all this hedging language is scummy. I don't know.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:34 am Perhaps I should have been clearer.

I don't care about the points you raised because what happened elsewhere does not dictate what happens here.

Your alignment is not based on what happened in another time.

I am basing my opinion on you on what I gather from your posts. That is all.

"This is scummy."

"But I did exactly that as town."

"Doesn't matter, scummy."

There's not point me even arguing.

Fucking whatever.

I don't care about behavior that isn't in this game.

bro what your case relies on meta analysis of wolf behavioral trends over the long term

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:40 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:34 am Perhaps I should have been clearer.

I don't care about the points you raised because what happened elsewhere does not dictate what happens here.

Your alignment is not based on what happened in another time.

I am basing my opinion on you on what I gather from your posts. That is all.

"This is scummy."

"But I did exactly that as town."

"Doesn't matter, scummy."

There's not point me even arguing.

Fucking whatever.

I don't care about behavior that isn't in this game.

Then, maybe I guess all this hedging language is scummy. I don't know.

*sigh*

Yet another generation who fails to get it the nuances.

Disregard that was Kami that said that stuff about not caring about Transcend's meta.

Is that two people that don't look at meta reads?

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:49 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:27 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:48 pm Honestly think Epi is scum but my reads have been bad recently so.

Here is the holy trinity of what I look for in a post made by a mafia member.

It begins with an unnecessary adverb.

It offers zero or weak evidence to substantiate the thought.

It hedges.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

good find tbh

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:23 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:22 pmwow, an adverb

lmfao i was just about to say something like this

What's the problem?

the second and third parts were p good

the first part i just assumed was a meme

No, this is horseshit.

You do a great job tearing into posts when you want to. You didn't do it with this one. You let someone else have a go at me and then you said, "Well, the first part was a joke, right?"

u know what i have a trinity my own self

u've just completed it

it's a trinity of ppl in this game i can't take seriously

1. rondo
2. kami
3. u

Maybe add me to this list. I can't take myself seriously.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:40 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:34 am Perhaps I should have been clearer.

I don't care about the points you raised because what happened elsewhere does not dictate what happens here.

Your alignment is not based on what happened in another time.

I am basing my opinion on you on what I gather from your posts. That is all.

"This is scummy."

"But I did exactly that as town."

"Doesn't matter, scummy."

There's not point me even arguing.

Fucking whatever.

I don't care about behavior that isn't in this game.

bro what your case relies on meta analysis of wolf behavioral trends over the long term

Guess what?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:39 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:38 am this engagement is going to be very incheresting on D3

alexa remind me to feed the baby on D3

"setting a reminder for defeating the baby on D3"

Alexa is obvious town. Sheep read.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

honestly my biggest problem with this is I think you're town but I don't get even close to the feeling you're fairly reading things tbh, I don't know why you care about the things you do irt Ender. But if you want to keep it up, whatever ig

Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

And Esooa stronger townread.

I think Ender's presence today has been mostly towny, btw, mostly because I think he's caring about things he would care about as town. If he's a wolf trying to get rid of scum reads on him there's much better ways, but as a towny being pushed for dumb reasons it makes sense he's just arguing about them cause they're bad and about him. I think that makes sense at least but I can see myself just being levely here

nice

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

If Ender is a civilian, he doesn't need to hedge them, does he?

Just fucking say what you think. For example:

"I think Epi is evil."

And state why and be done with it.

Ender did neither. Didn't say why and followed up with a hedged sentence.

What does Ender have to gain by adding the "By the way my reads have been shit lately" line?

As a civilian, nothing. As a mafia member, it's "Well I said I wasn't very good right now."

Now let me ask you this: How am I supposed to proceed if everybody tells me I'm ridiculous?

I have an answer to that question. It's one that's very clear to me.

Ender breaking the echo-vote to vote Epi is pretty towny to me as well. Feel like scum would still be latched onto Alison's vote, in order to not take responsibility or get dirt on them for voting.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

If Ender is Mafia, what does that look like?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

If Ender is a civilian, he doesn't need to hedge them, does he?

Just fucking say what you think. For example:

"I think Epi is evil."

And state why and be done with it.

Ender did neither. Didn't say why and followed up with a hedged sentence.

What does Ender have to gain by adding the "By the way my reads have been shit lately" line?

As a civilian, nothing. As a mafia member, it's "Well I said I wasn't very good right now."

Now let me ask you this: How am I supposed to proceed if everybody tells me I'm ridiculous?

I have an answer to that question. It's one that's very clear to me.

everybody is a wolf except you?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

If Ender is a civilian, he doesn't need to hedge them, does he?

Just fucking say what you think. For example:

"I think Epi is evil."

And state why and be done with it.

Ender did neither. Didn't say why and followed up with a hedged sentence.

What does Ender have to gain by adding the "By the way my reads have been shit lately" line?

As a civilian, nothing. As a mafia member, it's "Well I said I wasn't very good right now."

Now let me ask you this: How am I supposed to proceed if everybody tells me I'm ridiculous?

I have an answer to that question. It's one that's very clear to me.

You're acting like you've never interacted with a person. Some people just aren't confident in themselves at times, like, seriously, how do you not know this?

I'm not going to talk about this more. It's dumb

Does Epi actually townread anyone? I've yet to see it.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

If Ender is a civilian, he doesn't need to hedge them, does he?

Just fucking say what you think. For example:

"I think Epi is evil."

And state why and be done with it.

Ender did neither. Didn't say why and followed up with a hedged sentence.

What does Ender have to gain by adding the "By the way my reads have been shit lately" line?

As a civilian, nothing. As a mafia member, it's "Well I said I wasn't very good right now."

Now let me ask you this: How am I supposed to proceed if everybody tells me I'm ridiculous?

I have an answer to that question. It's one that's very clear to me.

everybody is a wolf except you?

No. It's going back to what I did for the past four months.

Not bothering.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 am Does Epi actually townread anyone? I've yet to see it.

I did. Not the case anymore.

Honestly, (Honestly tell) I'm gonna ignore Epi for a bit. I'm getting too riled up over something I probably shouldn't.

LC/Esooa/Transcend top trs.

HollowKatt actually might be scum this game.

Falcon will be readable by D2/3 usually so I'm happy leaving him to do his thing.

Alison's D1 is always strong so I'm not willing to put a read there yet.

@fingersplints Give me a top town and scumread, even if it's weak.

Kami IDK what to think.

Made is scummy but self-thinking twtbaw.

No read on NAA (No posts.)

Rondo's trolling seems kinda more town to me, knowing him. But not gonna say that with anything approaching confidence.

Syn seems kinda towny.

Seanzie is playing a little into wolf-meta but does that sometimes as town so willing to give a pass for now. Not liking his look so far.

Dumb Level 0 team rn = Epi/HK/Made/Seanzie but probably wrong.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 am Does Epi actually townread anyone? I've yet to see it.

Not as of yet Majister Coke

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Falcon will be readable by D2/3 usually so I'm happy leaving him to do his thing.

he's readable right now and he's town, tbh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

If Ender is a civilian, he doesn't need to hedge them, does he?

Just fucking say what you think. For example:

"I think Epi is evil."

And state why and be done with it.

Ender did neither. Didn't say why and followed up with a hedged sentence.

What does Ender have to gain by adding the "By the way my reads have been shit lately" line?

As a civilian, nothing. As a mafia member, it's "Well I said I wasn't very good right now."

Now let me ask you this: How am I supposed to proceed if everybody tells me I'm ridiculous?

I have an answer to that question. It's one that's very clear to me.

everybody is a wolf except you?

No. It's going back to what I did for the past four months.

Not bothering.

hmmmmmm

Esooa's AtE was better

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Honestly, (Honestly tell) I'm gonna ignore Epi for a bit. I'm getting too riled up over something I probably shouldn't.

That's fair. I'll leave you alone too until tomorrow.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Seanzie is playing a little into wolf-meta but does that sometimes as town so willing to give a pass for now. Not liking his look so far.

what wolf meta?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:51 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Falcon will be readable by D2/3 usually so I'm happy leaving him to do his thing.

he's readable right now and he's town, tbh

Yeah, I wanna say this too but I'm usually more confident in Falcon reads later on.

I can't towncore him yet fmpov

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:51 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Seanzie is playing a little into wolf-meta but does that sometimes as town so willing to give a pass for now. Not liking his look so far.

what wolf meta?

Plays less aggro as wolf, tends to not draw attention.

Not 100% but on average he tends to draw much more aggro if he's town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:51 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 am Does Epi actually townread anyone? I've yet to see it.

Not as of yet Majister Coke

Oh hey, Rondo, good to see you.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:53 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:51 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Seanzie is playing a little into wolf-meta but does that sometimes as town so willing to give a pass for now. Not liking his look so far.

what wolf meta?

Plays less aggro as wolf, tends to not draw attention.

Not 100% but on average he tends to draw much more aggro if he's town.

I think he was pretty aggro

Sean was pushing on Esooa hard pretty early on. Can see that as aggressive.

I took benadryl about an hour ago and I've been fighting against sleeping from it since. I've just been reacting off of stuff being said.

Town
Falcon45ca
Lime coke
Syn
Transcend

Towny
Seanzie
Kami
Enderwiggin
Alison

PoE
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Hollowkatt
Made
Notanaxehole
Rondodimbuckle

Good night all.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:54 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:53 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:51 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 am Seanzie is playing a little into wolf-meta but does that sometimes as town so willing to give a pass for now. Not liking his look so far.

what wolf meta?

Plays less aggro as wolf, tends to not draw attention.

Not 100% but on average he tends to draw much more aggro if he's town.

I think he was pretty aggro

I don't really recall it but I could be wrong.

@Esooa

Can you explain your Falcon townread?

The list isn't ordered obv, I never order them.

Transcend I'm close to never reevaluating and just calling him town.

I think Syn is town but tbh, I probably would immediately reconsider if he drops off for whatever reason, or does scummy stuff lmao

Lime Coke I haven't re-read, which would give me a pretty confident read on, but my impression is they're very likely town. I just think their reads develop in a way that do when LC is town, with things like his early scum reads (he struggles making scum reads as wolf imo), town reads being in places that make sense etc

Falcon I think is just not that hard to read tbh, I've misyeeted him once but other than that I've wolf read him every time he's wolfed and town read him every other time he's town

I don't really particularly care to explain the rest. I'm 100% fine with voting anyone in my PoE tier, for any reason, and don't really have a preference atm

I like how we all pick one name out of everyone's town lists and ask for an explanation

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:00 am
I think Syn is town but tbh, I probably would immediately reconsider if he drops off for whatever reason, or does scummy stuff lmao

fuck I need to stop posting

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:01 am I like how we all pick one name out of everyone's town lists and ask for an explanation

I've just been wolf reading Falcon for a bit of time since the game started.

Transcend and Esooa both have outed a town read on him. So I think I'll just listen and not vote there.

I don't really have anything to say about why Falcon is town because I don't want to pull up posts from other games to explain, but if you read his ISO I think it's very towny on it's own. Things he pokes at may be weird, but he has good tone, generally is combative in a way that's natural, his reads are changing based on new things which he sees in thread, and he comments on these things frequently so there's no doubt as to what his thought processes are. The things he's doing are simply put, towny

falcon is ok i guess

I don't think I've ever actually read him despite playing several games with him

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:04 am I don't really have anything to say about why Falcon is town because I don't want to pull up posts from other games to explain, but if you read his ISO I think it's very towny on it's own. Things he pokes at may be weird, but he has good tone, generally is combative in a way that's natural, his reads are changing based on new things which he sees in thread, and he comments on these things frequently so there's no doubt as to what his thought processes are. The things he's doing are simply put, towny

Alright, I'll take it.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:04 am I don't really have anything to say about why Falcon is town because I don't want to pull up posts from other games to explain, but if you read his ISO I think it's very towny on it's own. Things he pokes at may be weird, but he has good tone, generally is combative in a way that's natural, his reads are changing based on new things which he sees in thread, and he comments on these things frequently so there's no doubt as to what his thought processes are. The things he's doing are simply put, towny

These are generalized because I've played with Falcon a lot and so I read most of what he does through meta and it's irksome to actually explain how I read all his posts, as a lot of it is also tone. But I think these things should be reasonable enough if you read his posts

is it safe to come out now

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:08 am is it safe to come out now

TS has always been LGBT friendly

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable