Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]

[leetic]

A brief summary of everyone's pyxxy interactions for y'all in the other thread:

Delta: Prodded pyxxy to contribute more a couple of times, never really pushed them hard. At EoD, was more concerned about their wagon than pyxxy's.
Epignosis: One of the earlier voters on pyxxy, but only really had three real interactions with them.
falcon: Only player (besides 1-poster Spacedaisy) to never interact with pyxxy at all.
LC: Voted pyxxy last-minute; had no strong pyxxy interactions before then.
Abby: One of the earlier and more steadfast pyxxy voters.
Ricochet: Talked about pyxxy a couple times but never really established them as a suspicion.
Scrappy: Had pyxxy as their alleged biggest suspect (without much elaboration) only to switch to tunneling me by EoD.
sig: Voted pyxxy last-minute without ever interacting with them beforehand.
Sloonei: Originally voted pyxxy just to follow Epi without expressing a real read on them. Eventually just voted pyxxy because they were the "best" option
TSP: Only a couple of barely notable pyxxy mentions. Had the opportunity to switch their vote to pyxxy at EoD but didn't.

It kinda sounds like pyxxy was very alone in the thread.
nobody was townreading Lime Coke either in our thread, but there were at least one or two folks who felt that lunching him for lowposting wasn't the best choice.
I heard about the multiball theory being floated in your thread; do you think that's more likely than pyxxy being bussed or ignored by a partner?

While it is true that there wasn't anybody really defending pyxxy (besides Delta maybe?) the pushers of pyxxy weren't really that forceful either? For most of the phase, the only pushers were Abby, Epi (who basically mentioned them offhandedly after I asked them who they would be okay with dying) and Sloonei (who was only there because Epi was, and not because they voiced a strong suspicion of pyxxy themselves) (and Scrappy I guess). pyxxy only really went down after he was flailing at EoD. So I think it is likely that his partners ignored him for most of the phase, but may have bussed him at EoD (but I'm not 100% certain on that part).

Let's be real I was the only one who actually pushed pyxxy and I basically had to beg you people to keep votes on at EoD.

And than Caitlin for N1d and not me and I'm still pissed about that

LOL

[Cape90]

If there is a busser on falcon, I think Wilgy fits the bill but I felt the wagon of that day was honestly mostly pure.

Wasn't that a nine-player wagon? "Honestly mostly"? I'm going to bed with a vote on this.

[VOTE: cape90] aubergine

Unless the team falcon is on is considerably smaller mafia team then the team pyxxy/lime coke/abigail all shared, yes I do think this.

Which makes me knock Delta/sig/DarlingMonroe as less likely unless I just completely messed up logically. Sig also was an early voter on falcon.

[leetic]

I don't remember if falcon ended on pyxxy but I will hold to my belief falcon is town

I barely ever read falcon wrong

Also LOL

[leetic]

If say I got a gun from someone than I would have used it on Daisy or Sig

If say I got a cop check from someone than I would have used it on Falcon or Delta

If say I got nothing from someone than none of this matters

She clearly didn't use a cop check on Falcon, else she would have death tunneled.

[Cape90]

I don't remember if falcon ended on pyxxy but I will hold to my belief falcon is town

I barely ever read falcon wrong

Also LOL

the thing is PA and falcon didn't share wincons. they are on diff teams

[leetic]

I don't remember if falcon ended on pyxxy but I will hold to my belief falcon is town

I barely ever read falcon wrong

Also LOL

the thing is PA and falcon didn't share wincons. they are on diff teams

That makes it even more funny

[leetic]

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

These people could all be overestimating their own abilities.

I'd personally love to know who these people are

You're one of them.

I rescinded cause Caitlin than rescinded my rescind cause me again

Vote: DM

Like the eventual Lemon vote, this vote feels really weak and not like a bus.

[leetic]

Out of the other thread players so far, I feel most comfortable calling Cape90/Dyslexicon town. I dont think I can put that into words more than just 'They seem alright.' Would like to know if that's a sentiment shared with those who were in their thread these last few days though.

To a more technical extent, Nutella/MasterRadishes join that list since I dont think the haiku restriction would come from town, even if just because it seems so inconvenient for town to apply to someone, and what they have given so far doesn't feel scummy enough to warrant being restricted by town to begin with.

This is the first time I disagree with the puppy

What do you disagree with?

The cape dizzy obv town part

Doesn't think Cape90 and Dyslexicon are obvious town. Still, that kind of read is pretty hedgy

[Epignosis]

Wilgy busses.

Make no mistake.

But the thing nobody is talking about: With two mafia teams, the opposite mafia is just as much a threat as the civilian vote, so if Wilgy voted his own teammate out, he's still on the chopping block with regard to the other team's kill.

[Cape90]

@Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

I think DarlingMonroe is mafia.

That's it.

Porque?

From what I saw, DM was more akin to their townrange. No knockout townspew posts. Doesn't feel scattered like timelines.

Ranges don't exist.

Don't know why people keep buying into that nonsense.

this is a weird thing to say. is this a genuine belief? I have trouble seeing it as such

[leetic]

Yeah, Abby's ISO doesn't have much that's interesting. I mean, it tells me that Sloonei is obviously not partnered with Abby, but I kind of knew that already.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

I think DarlingMonroe is mafia.

That's it.

Porque?

From what I saw, DM was more akin to their townrange. No knockout townspew posts. Doesn't feel scattered like timelines.

Ranges don't exist.

Don't know why people keep buying into that nonsense.

this is a weird thing to say. is this a genuine belief? I have trouble seeing it as such

It's a fake belief. You caught me. I'm mafia.

[leetic]

It does make me almost want to revive the "Scrappy is a wolf trying to use Caitlin as a decoy" theory, since pyxxy brought the idea of Scrappy being Caitlin up and he's paired with Abby who would be the most knowledgeable on how to impersonate Caitlin. Abby's own statements on the theory have been pretty hedgy and contradictory.

[leetic]

It does make me almost want to revive the "Scrappy is a wolf trying to use Caitlin as a decoy" theory, since pyxxy brought the idea of Scrappy being Caitlin up and he's paired with Abby who would be the most knowledgeable on how to impersonate Caitlin. Abby's own statements on the theory have been pretty hedgy and contradictory.

And plus, Scrappy's pyxxy push would make more sense in this world given that bussing was the plan. Still, likely tinfoil.

[Cape90]

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

[VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

I think Falc is a major wagon and I have to decide if I'm to vote. Should I not at least voice my opinion on the slot as that actually exists to an extent?

Plus Falc was one of the few players that I reviewed previously around d1.

Why exactly is this terrible that being the case?

I don't really get why you seem to put this expectation that falcon should have threadspewed themselves as town immediately into night 0.

Does falcon usually do so from your experiance?

Absolutely.

Falc is one of those players who can make a post that puts them undeniably out of their wolf range. That hasn't happened so far.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

Falcon. Falcon as wolf definitely says this.

I don't know how much w!DrWilgy relies on bussing his teammates. But if he is a heavy busser, this looks like wolf heavy bussing their teammate to me. The last thing is weird to me just because before this, Wilgy didn't directly source anything falcon has said and been like "hey this is wolf". Like the push feels super indirect like he knows he doesn't have to talk to his teammate because there is nothing to solve from Wilgy's POV.

[Cape90]

@Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

I think DarlingMonroe is mafia.

That's it.

Porque?

From what I saw, DM was more akin to their townrange. No knockout townspew posts. Doesn't feel scattered like timelines.

Ranges don't exist.

Don't know why people keep buying into that nonsense.

this is a weird thing to say. is this a genuine belief? I have trouble seeing it as such

It's a fake belief. You caught me. I'm mafia.

I know you are joking and all that, but I was indirectly asking why do you have this belief?

[leetic]

Anyway, time to start working on the people from my side of the thread. I'll look at the old thread first so I have that context when looking over this one. Will only be looking at falcon interactions, since it's likely that all landlords are dead on that side and I'm not in the mood to go over any more of Abby's ISO anyway.

[leetic]

Scrappy Doo:

- Had falcon under "EVIL GHOSTS", but above me and pyxxy

Yeah, that's it.

[Cape90]

@DarlingMonroe Talk to me about Epi. You mentioned he's a wolf, but I dony recall any depth or detail to the read

I don't like reading into this type of thing so im just gonna post this message to bump it up

[Cape90]

The DarlingMonroe thing is quite convincing, and I could easily end up voting there.

I don't need to right now though. We have lots of time.

LMAO this might be wolf

Does anyone from the other side have thoughts on Long Con?

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

I think DarlingMonroe is mafia.

That's it.

Porque?

From what I saw, DM was more akin to their townrange. No knockout townspew posts. Doesn't feel scattered like timelines.

Ranges don't exist.

Don't know why people keep buying into that nonsense.

this is a weird thing to say. is this a genuine belief? I have trouble seeing it as such

It's a fake belief. You caught me. I'm mafia.

I know you are joking and all that, but I was indirectly asking why do you have this belief?

It's silly.

At its core, it implies people can't behave outside of a specified level of ability.

I refuse to believe that. People learn, people gain experience, and people grow.

[leetic]

sig:

- "heavily eyeing" falcon D2
- Later says falcon is playing to their wolf meta
- While looking over Caitlin's ISO post-flip, notes that it looks bad for falcon
- Votes falcon, but later ends up on Porscha

[Epignosis]

Well, some people.

[Epignosis]

Ten wooden nickels says DarlingMonroe doesn't meaningfully engage with anybody and keeps that vote on me.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Loving that Sloonei vote on me. So warm. Like a hug.

[Cape90]

I think DarlingMonroe is mafia.

That's it.

Porque?

From what I saw, DM was more akin to their townrange. No knockout townspew posts. Doesn't feel scattered like timelines.

Ranges don't exist.

Don't know why people keep buying into that nonsense.

this is a weird thing to say. is this a genuine belief? I have trouble seeing it as such

It's a fake belief. You caught me. I'm mafia.

I know you are joking and all that, but I was indirectly asking why do you have this belief?

It's silly.

At its core, it implies people can't behave outside of a specified level of ability.

I refuse to believe that. People learn, people gain experience, and people grow.

I see

I mean, both me and Wilgy have more insight into what DM did all game while you had 3 posts and Darling's night 0 which I dont remember

I will look back and give thoughts on DM because I don't remember everything she did

[Epignosis]

Enough about votes on me.

[Epignosis]

Although what I really want to do is go to bed.

[leetic]

Ricochet:

- Calls falcon an "enigma" based on N0 posts
- falcon is "zone of concern", above Delta and me; criticizes lack of "depth" in hunting
- updates list, falcon is above sig as well
- By D2, has falcon as third lowest, after Porscha and Delta

[Epignosis]

I'm going to semi-skip leetic. I don't think leetic is falcon's teammate.

[Epignosis]

Lemonfairy

falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.

Not much here.

[nutella]

Cape and lemon can be together on falcon's team and I'd feel great about my d1 spidey sense.

[leetic]

Delta:

- falcon tells them to give a few reads, Delta just refers to earlier townreads
- Mentions falcon is a "little" townie based on an alleged slip they caught
- Says they would vote falcon "to save a townread", but is only interested in voting me
- Says they would "GTH" vote falcon D2, but later hedges on them

[Ricochet]

[leetic]

TSP:

- Reads falcon as town.
- Later agrees with my statement of being suspicious of the voters on the sig wagon, which would include falcon (and themselves lol)

[nutella]

There's a small point about Cape I haven't brought up in this thread yet because it was slightly silly but now I'm tempted to believe it again. "Scumslips" are usually a trap but hear me out.

On D1 of the east thread, Guillo had thought he'd caught a slip (classic guillo) when Cape referred to the West thread. Guillo had not realized that the West facility being called that was public info from the host post about secret santa. However, Cape did not point to the host post and go "it says right there it's the West facility" but instead he went "I just assumed it would make sense for it to be east and west" -- which, in fairness, completely makes sense of course, but he had casually referred to it like he knew for sure. The fact that he gave this explanation instead of citing that it was already public knowledge made me wonder if he had been exposed to the name by other means, ie scum chat.

It feels silly again as I'm typing it out but I think he fits pretty well as a falcon teammate anyway as epi laid out

[Epignosis]

I'm really starting to run down. I have LC in the queue, but damn. I'm pooped.

[Ricochet]

☆Princess Abigail☆ was bored.

☆Princess Abigail☆ has died.

Spoiler: show

Turtle on a Log (Turtle Mafia):

You are mafia and a member of the Landlords.
You win if you achieve parity with town and eliminate all threats to your faction.

You like sunning on the log more than the lily pad.

[nutella]

TSP is ehhh

[Ricochet]

[VOTE: D4] aubergine

[nutella]

I notice quite a few players saying today that they'd rather vote within their Facility where they already have established reads. I do think that's pretty solid reasoning, but I will not commit my vote to the East Facility players if I find overwhelming evidence of someone being scummy who just happens to be from the West Facility. I like that there's already been a lot of discussion and catch-up on what's happened in each of our respective threads, and I'll encourage it to continue, because it's important to get the full picture of what we've missed. But I would be a little wary of the people who are agreeing to only vote someone from their Facility, because I do think it's an easy way for scum to cop out of voting a partner who's catching heat from the opposite thread. I think the original suggestion was towny, but imo the more who agree with it and push it as the correct play, the more likely that wolves are backing the idea.

Strong agree with this
even though I brought it up
it may not quite hold

I am starting to
see the case on falcon now
will consider him

Falcon's return is
not inspiring good feelings
so far. Dirty bird?

Says they "will consider" falcon. Lightly shades them.

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

Abby town, falcon "maybe" wolf

i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit

Now townleans falcon, with little to explain the change in attitude besides the wagon being "stale"

meh ultimately
i trust monroe's voters more
than falcon's voters

not sure either would
flip wolf at this point but just
might go back in case

And spent most of EoD shading the falcon wagon. Like I know having to post in haiku limits you, but come on these are some weak interactions. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I'll own that I don't have the best looking track record on falcon here. I thought he was more likely going to flip town than not, and was glad to be proven wrong. I believe I'm very findable as town and lacking in tmi in general though.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: B5] aubergine

[leetic]

There's a small point about Cape I haven't brought up in this thread yet because it was slightly silly but now I'm tempted to believe it again. "Scumslips" are usually a trap but hear me out.

On D1 of the east thread, Guillo had thought he'd caught a slip (classic guillo) when Cape referred to the West thread. Guillo had not realized that the West facility being called that was public info from the host post about secret santa. However, Cape did not point to the host post and go "it says right there it's the West facility" but instead he went "I just assumed it would make sense for it to be east and west" -- which, in fairness, completely makes sense of course, but he had casually referred to it like he knew for sure. The fact that he gave this explanation instead of citing that it was already public knowledge made me wonder if he had been exposed to the name by other means, ie scum chat.

It feels silly again as I'm typing it out but I think he fits pretty well as a falcon teammate anyway as epi laid out

It's worth noting that in the West thread, falcon called out a similar "slip" from sig. Sloonei said it was reasonable to assume the other thread was East, while LC pointed out that it was host-confirmed information.

[nutella]

I also didn't even come back at eod to vote the counterwagon again lol

That was due to real life timing but still, if i was on falcon's team i probably would have stayed on monroe before leaving thread

[Cape90]

@DarlingMonroe was one of the people that wanted Alison dead in our thread. She had this kinda weird thing to where she was voting Alison, but then was saying she was getting convinced that Sabi was mafia off of what Alison was saying, because Alison had sus on Sabi, then DM said that they thought Alison/Sabi was more likely V/V then W/W? Then why push either???????

NOOK/Dizzy were apparently voting Sabi at the time

DM mentioned wanting to vote Alison and not being confident on anyone else rather then DrWilgy from our thread.

Monroe voted Wilgy but im not sure if she ever swapped to Alison because she didn't say as much and the vote count was never posted/archived anywhere near that point so i cant look at that.

I know the votes were split between Sabi/Alison and I broke the difference there, I am personally not surprised at that being a T/T wagon, but I digress as this isn't about DM lol. I don't remember who was on each wagon if people were not announcing their votes SMH. (Most were but still, it probably doesnt matter because T/T wagon there).

DM focused on getting reads out of NANOOK a lot.

DM did more list/vote based solving day 2 and was pretty NAI day 1, not doing a whole lot. Brad (LimeCoke) townread DarlingMonroe day 1.

DM never really elaborated on their Alison read. I called out that I didn't townread DarlingMonroe and she rebuttaled with the whole "when have you ever townread me?" type of thing.

So overall I really don't find DM towny from our thread and I want to look back at what she did today. I missed a lot of the later part of day 3.

@Epignosis

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Wild timing.

[Cape90]

[VOTE: B5] aubergine

I picked that spot before you fyi

[nutella]

There's a small point about Cape I haven't brought up in this thread yet because it was slightly silly but now I'm tempted to believe it again. "Scumslips" are usually a trap but hear me out.

On D1 of the east thread, Guillo had thought he'd caught a slip (classic guillo) when Cape referred to the West thread. Guillo had not realized that the West facility being called that was public info from the host post about secret santa. However, Cape did not point to the host post and go "it says right there it's the West facility" but instead he went "I just assumed it would make sense for it to be east and west" -- which, in fairness, completely makes sense of course, but he had casually referred to it like he knew for sure. The fact that he gave this explanation instead of citing that it was already public knowledge made me wonder if he had been exposed to the name by other means, ie scum chat.

It feels silly again as I'm typing it out but I think he fits pretty well as a falcon teammate anyway as epi laid out

It's worth noting that in the West thread, falcon called out a similar "slip" from sig. Sloonei said it was reasonable to assume the other thread was East, while LC pointed out that it was host-confirmed information.

Hmm it being two different people who "slipped" and gave the explanation makes it not quite the same thing though. Did sig provide his own explanation as to knowing from the host post or not? Though Sloonei/LC answering for him would sort of parallel the fact that Lemonfairy (on whom I already had an associative-with-cape-read) pointed out the host post to guillo while cape still separately gave his "assumption" excuse -- potential damage control/cover. This all feels like even more of a stretch though lol

[Cape90]

There's a small point about Cape I haven't brought up in this thread yet because it was slightly silly but now I'm tempted to believe it again. "Scumslips" are usually a trap but hear me out.

On D1 of the east thread, Guillo had thought he'd caught a slip (classic guillo) when Cape referred to the West thread. Guillo had not realized that the West facility being called that was public info from the host post about secret santa. However, Cape did not point to the host post and go "it says right there it's the West facility" but instead he went "I just assumed it would make sense for it to be east and west" -- which, in fairness, completely makes sense of course, but he had casually referred to it like he knew for sure. The fact that he gave this explanation instead of citing that it was already public knowledge made me wonder if he had been exposed to the name by other means, ie scum chat.

It feels silly again as I'm typing it out but I think he fits pretty well as a falcon teammate anyway as epi laid out

this argument again. nutella the more you live, the more I am starting to think you might just be wolf here