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Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 10:46 pm**

I don’t want to chop any of the kids today

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:05 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:46 pm I don’t want to chop any of the kids today

And you made a graphical point to say that it's not because you don't suspect any of them are wolves? Is your unwillingness to chop any of them based on some level of sympathy?

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:09 pm**

Yeah it is but also it’s day 3 and we’re not in a position where I think it’s good to shrug into flipping a coin

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:10 pm**

I also don’t believe the kids are unsolvable

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:12 pm**

And I think further that it’s easier to read the kids with more posts and therefore I want to give them opportunities to make that happen

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:13 pm**

And Kagemusha involved some incredibly bad children chops which led to a predictable demise and it’s still fresh in my mind

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:15 pm**

Thank you, those are all agreeable points.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:18 pm**

@Lime Coke Seriously though, what is it with you and Porscha? The time for whimsical friendship is over, what's your real analysis of her stuff?

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:48 pm**

Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:52 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:43 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:27 pm [VOTE: Motobot] aubergine

Here until I see anything else worth voting.

Otherwise I'm not doing much this day phase. I got my townreads list up so any questions go ahead and ping.
But why the accusation against Moto?
Who do you think would be a better option?
Flipping the question to my opinion doesn't make any sense seeing as I asked the person who made the original statement for their opinion. That being said, I already implied this, but if anything, Abigail is the most questionable person who's stay away attitude really doesn't help her case at all.

Don't get me wrong, I don't accuse people for inactivity, not to mention, that really isn't the problem. The problem is the fact that Abigail hasn't done much of anything at all. She even said it herself that she doesn't actually pay attention to debates or speculation, to the point where she never has anything to say.

If she is indeed gathering info and having her own opinions and reads then good for her. But she is also being very quiet with her own thoughts and never actually shares them.

Trust me,she's even like this irl, so this is a very good reason as to why I shouldn't trust her. And besides, if she was town, she probably wouldn't be trying to hide as much as she is.

I have the same opinion on moto, it's not like he's done much of anything either. But unlike Abigail, he never actually stated that he was trying to stay away from anything supposedly chaotic.

if abigail is quiet and avoids conflict IRL, why is it suspicious if she also does that here? or did I misread this?

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:48 pm**

i have decided i will simply treat this game like it's mountainous

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:50 pm**

@Lime Coke if you've been paying attention this whole time, how can your reads be the same? shouldn't leetic coming back to life and being confirmed town change something, anything for you?

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:51 pm**

I've read like 20 posts in the past 48 hours and even my reads aren't the same

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:51 pm**

for example, i now strongly believe leetic is town

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:52 pm**

i think simon's posts are circuitous and weird tbh

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:53 pm**

Tony is no longer in the nulls and goes up to town

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 11:54 pm**

[VOTE: Simon] aubergine

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:17 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.

kek lamow

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:19 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:25 pm The thing says "If Hydra is eliminated" so I don't think 3P kills yet until all mafs are gone?
Sounds like Deadpool takes over Hydra's kills, which means that Thanos(' team) kills odd nights.... OR Hydra kills every night, and Thanos goes odd and Deadpool goes even after they are gone.

does thanos "recruit" in the lore? I dont recall that being a feature of thanos but i'm not a buff, i'm a filthy casual

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:21 am**

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think it is a terrible and dangerous assumption to make that the indy roles don't have secret powers that didn't appear in the OP.

I think it can be assumed every role has more than 1 ability and the singular abilities have only been breadcrumbed and we only get full reveals upon that person's death

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:22 am**

I honestly assumed the game was about to be flipless since wilgy had zero info but that's clearly not the case so I dont know why he didnt flip but leetic did flip

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:23 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think it is a terrible and dangerous assumption to make that the indy roles don't have secret powers that didn't appear in the OP.
I think that is too alarmist, but there's probably other things. I've already decided Thanos is recruiting, so if you have something worse than that then you can go Chicken Little about it.

So Thanos is probably recruiting. So, Long Con is Thanos because he is incredibly insistent there is a recruiting mechanic that Thanos has.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:24 am**

sorry long con had to meme

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:24 am**

born to meme

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:24 am**

meme'ing at the speed of light

okay i need to relax i'll be back later lol

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:25 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm How did leetic come back to life, and was S~V~S an exchange, or an unrelated regular nightkill?

sounds like a life swap to me imo

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:25 am**

if she was the one who said they thought leetic was uber towny then uh. makes sense to me!

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:25 am**

if it wasn't her then idk. whack

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:26 am**

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:39 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think more likely that neither indy kills at this point. And that hydra kills nightly.

Also, you seem super obsessed with this recruiting idea--which we don't actually know is a thing.
You are in hyperbole mode right now.
Hyperbole is an excellent rhetorical device.

an insanely incredible rhetorical device, even

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:29 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:45 pm If there is no recruitment, then what other factors can change a player's win condition?

Note that leetic's Nick Fury role contains this ability: "You are loyal to your cause. You cannot change your win condition. Instead, you can target someone each Night and convince that person to return to his or her original win condition."

Maybe I'm super supremo ultra obsessive compulsive about this... but I'd have to be convinced there's NOT recruitnig happening in this game, based on this role description.

recruiting is def possible, only other thing I can think of is maybe people can change their win con by changing sides voluntarily? since it specifically says "original win condition"

town win con is you know. town win via parity etc
maf win con is you know. maf win via parity etc

3rd win con - probably a little more specific than the generic town and mafia win cons, so maybe they can recruit

sounds like regardless, characters can swap teams

just not sure on the how

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:53 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 11:50 pm @Lime Coke if you've been paying attention this whole time, how can your reads be the same? shouldn't leetic coming back to life and being confirmed town change something, anything for you?

whenever I tunnel someone to death and they flip town I just cross them off my reads list and leave everything else the same

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:57 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:22 am I honestly assumed the game was about to be flipless since wilgy had zero info but that's clearly not the case so I dont know why he didnt flip but leetic did flip

night flips don't flip, day flips do flip, semi-standard, I've seen it a lot

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 1:38 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:57 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:22 am I honestly assumed the game was about to be flipless since wilgy had zero info but that's clearly not the case so I dont know why he didnt flip but leetic did flip
night flips don't flip, day flips do flip, semi-standard, I've seen it a lot

youre so smart (actually upon reading this I think someone else mentioned it earlier and I just entirely forgot)

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 1:38 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:53 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 11:50 pm @Lime Coke if you've been paying attention this whole time, how can your reads be the same? shouldn't leetic coming back to life and being confirmed town change something, anything for you?
whenever I tunnel someone to death and they flip town I just cross them off my reads list and leave everything else the same

same. this is the way of the warrior

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 1:42 am**

@Syn I'd like your current thoughts on Long Con, Sig, & Michelle please

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 2:01 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 11:50 pm @Lime Coke if you've been paying attention this whole time, how can your reads be the same? shouldn't leetic coming back to life and being confirmed town change something, anything for you?

I'm trying to figure that out myself but I end up doing this most games until I think something might be horrifically wrong.

Also...may or may not be seeing reasons to change or take someone off of towns.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 2:01 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 11:18 pm @Lime Coke Seriously though, what is it with you and Porscha? The time for whimsical friendship is over, what's your real analysis of her stuff?

Uhhhh we're friends and I'm trying to team with her to try to eliminate wolves but we haven't had a successful time of this?

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 2:02 am**

In terms of her gameplay...like it's kinda what I'm expecting from town!Porscha?

I'll have to re-look at her iso to make sure but I've been confident she's still town.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 2:04 am**

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

For now.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 4:20 am**

idk i dont feel like i've been obv town to deserve such a read brad lol

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 4:40 am**

seriously though. about that briefcase

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 5:50 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 4:20 am idk i dont feel like i've been obv town to deserve such a read brad lol

I mean part of it is just blind trust still?

Idk we came off of that 12/12 hour game and was feeling the energy of getting town in a game I was gonna give effort in after that annoying game/rand and obviously you were in that game as well so sorta vibe it that you were town with how you responded to me at the beginning of this game.

Also yeah that game only ended like 2 weeks ago but it feels like it ended two months ago.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 5:55 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm How did leetic come back to life, and was S~V~S an exchange, or an unrelated regular nightkill?

So many ways but my pick is it was a role related power either from SVS or leetic.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 5:57 am**

Okay yeah actually read Porscha's iso I still don't see her wolfy.

Like there's maybe bits but that's just any sort of fluff post or like just goofy reaction to things but not massively scummy by any means.

Also feel like her read on me plus how she treated the Day 2 situation and the stuff after regarding me let's me think it's in good faith?

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 5:57 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:45 pm If there is no recruitment, then what other factors can change a player's win condition?

Note that leetic's Nick Fury role contains this ability: "You are loyal to your cause. You cannot change your win condition. Instead, you can target someone each Night and convince that person to return to his or her original win condition."

Maybe I'm super supremo ultra obsessive compulsive about this... but I'd have to be convinced there's NOT recruitnig happening in this game, based on this role description.

or some Avenger roles can be going to the other side by choice. seen it so many times in games.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 5:59 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:00 am Brad you're being like. A little too bitchy and some of what you said yesterday has put me off

Like this kinda just feels like a decent... like...

If she was mafia trying to sus me or try to put me into the POE backhandedly... it wouldn't be with this?

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 6:01 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:20 pm Which of the three Epi-spawn would you like to yeet the most? The least?

why are you doing this? If you want to lynch a kid make a case I probs wouldn't join you as I am getting zero baddie vibes from any of them.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 6:03 am**

Hello Roxy we haven't exactly spoken yet this game.

That's really it I was thinking of a question but can't think of one that isn't massively generic or would help either of us in the game.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 6:04 am**

Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:52 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:43 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:27 pm [VOTE: Motobot] aubergine

Here until I see anything else worth voting.

Otherwise I'm not doing much this day phase. I got my townreads list up so any questions go ahead and ping.
But why the accusation against Moto?
Who do you think would be a better option?
Flipping the question to my opinion doesn't make any sense seeing as I asked the person who made the original statement for their opinion. That being said, I already implied this, but if anything, Abigail is the most questionable person who's stay away attitude really doesn't help her case at all.

Don't get me wrong, I don't accuse people for inactivity, not to mention, that really isn't the problem. The problem is the fact that Abigail hasn't done much of anything at all. She even said it herself that she doesn't actually pay attention to debates or speculation, to the point where she never has anything to say.

If she is indeed gathering info and having her own opinions and reads then good for her. But she is also being very quiet with her own thoughts and never actually shares them.

Trust me,she's even like this irl, so this is a very good reason as to why I shouldn't trust her. And besides, if she was town, she probably wouldn't be trying to hide as much as she is.

I have the same opinion on moto, it's not like he's done much of anything either. But unlike Abigail, he never actually stated that he was trying to stay away from anything supposedly chaotic.

super takes on your family but how about reads on other players?
Hopefully you can give reads on everyone.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 6:09 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 12:23 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think it is a terrible and dangerous assumption to make that the indy roles don't have secret powers that didn't appear in the OP.
I think that is too alarmist, but there's probably other things. I've already decided Thanos is recruiting, so if you have something worse than that then you can go Chicken Little about it.
So Thanos is probably recruiting. So, Long Con is Thanos because he is incredibly insistent there is a recruiting mechanic that Thanos has.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 6:13 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:03 am Hello Roxy we haven't exactly spoken yet this game.

That's really it I was thinking of a question but can't think of one that isn't massively generic or would help either of us in the game.

I have quoted you and you have responded....did you want to hold hands and sing Let It Be then skip into the woods? jk But sounds fun, right/

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