RIPIYWG TH and MR. Wasn't really sure on either of you, kind of surprised to see you both gone though.
Frankly, regarding the TH NK, I had the same thought that S~V~S seems to have on the matter, that there's an attempt to bring attention away from someone and back onto me. With the recent attention now towards zeek as well, this only confirms my suspicion. More on this later.
I must admit, I'm loving the host posts so far; they have been fantastic. And there surely were many reasons I was so excited to start this game and am excited to be playing it now: The setup is fantastic, the theme is awesome, and the hosts are not only great hosts but two people that I'm thankful to have in my life every day.
Right now my top suspects are: Sabie, Roxy, and Enrique, in that order. Have had my eye on some others as well (Metalmarsh, Dom, Made, Bullz, Elo, and Snow Dog), though I'm really unsure about them and wouldn't consider a vote for them any time soon unless something big happens. This is also incredibly subject to change as the day develops. More elaboration on this later.
Good to hear from Gotrees! I am not silenced, for the record, but I'm sure you will know when I am! Haha. In fact, I just have had to make up for the fact that I spent so much of the latter part of the week mafiaing instead of doing PhD work, so I've been busy doing PhD work. Naturally, practically all my available free time still goes to this game and will continue to do so, but I may have spurts where I'm more active or inactive depending on workload distribution.
Regarding the K9 information and secret role speculation... it seems impossible to determine right now what might be true. Something I thought of though that might help in discerning what the secret roles are: BWT seemed to design the game for 30 roles, even though 28 were only showing in the sign-up thread. He said he could take one extra member, but he told Enrique that he could not take two or more. This means that it's very possible the secret roles he had in mind were flexible between 2 and 3 individuals, but not 1 or 4+. I was leaning towards a secret Weeping Angels or Silencer team as a possibility, but the more I wonder, especially considering this, we unfortunately may have 2 or 3 independents besides the Master on our hands. OR it could be that the two secret roles were originally an extra member for each of the Dalek and Cybermen teams, and that one independent was added as well? Somehow I doubt the baddies would have a fifth member, so I don't think that's true, but a possibility. I think the multiple independents or a secret indy team of 2 or 3 members (weeping angels?) is more likely... I'd like to lean more the latter, but I'm afraid the evidence might point more towards the former.
I think I need to reexamine the suspicion of Enrique since it's very possible he is the one baddies are attempting to keep attention away from, and that he could be bad. I do remember thinking that his back and forth with zeek during N1 that his responses were a bit extreme, but I suppose I naturally figured they were genuine because I know how it is to get worked up as a civvie with seemingly indomitable suspicion against you. However, I did go back to questioning whether he was genuine during that exchange. I'm really wondering that maybe I was right to suspect him though. I just always get nervous when it seems there is a giant push to lynch someone this early on.
Regarding why I suspect Sabie: Her contributions have been little. I know she's still relatively new, but her in-game contributions are essentially summarized by D0 poll speculation and these two posts:
sabie12 wrote:Why do people vote for themselves? Is this some new fangled strategy with which I am not familiar?
This post I responded to but strikes me as odd that she'd even ask it and not say anything else about it. But it's her vote post that secures her suspicion, really:
sabie12 wrote:So I'm going out so I'm going to have to put in a vote now. Its hard to follow everthing that's going on. Juliet seems to be really overly defensive Ill go with her for now and maybe check back in later and see what's up.
The "hard to follow everything" may be genuine, but on the flipside it could be just a cop out. Her vote for juliets timing-wise was perhaps the most opportunistic AND her reasoning boils down to "juliets seems to be really defensive" which doesn't even explain why sabie thought JC was bad. Just seemed like a way to vote without having to do any real hunting herself. I look forward to what she has to contribute from here on forward, but her vote strikes me as the most suspicious one from D1.
A response to Rox (which elaborates why I find her suspicious): Thank you for your thoughts. I'm sad to hear you don't "buy" my true intentions, but I suppose that's your right. I gave up my Enrique suspicion because his responses seemed genuine to me, and my back and forth with Dana made me reexamine the strength of my thoughts against him. On the flipside of your POV, I thought what Juliets did was incredibly suspicious and I'm still shocked she flipped civvie, to be honest. She must have just been WAY overthinking what she was attempting to post and her inability to attempt to decide things for herself seemed OOT moreso than normal. And personally, I have no reason to believe we're seeing a baddie Epig here, and despite the fact that I appreciate your contributions, I think some of them are off the mark. This is demonstrated especially since you suspect Hedge for thinking Epig's thoughts were valid; you even just essentially say you think she's bad because she disagrees with your assessment on the juliets situation. I am a civvie and I saw it unfold and I firmly believe juliets's actions were incredibly suspicious, so the fact that you're not willing to consider an alternative perspective as a possible civvie one seems suspicious to me. I am also suspicious of why you mention Elo's vote but not Sabie's (more on this later). Lastly, I get this "oh, the case on JC was so bad, how could anyone believe it?!?!?!" feel from you, which seems very opportunistic, especially since you weren't around (understandably for RL reasons, I won't blame you for that). It just strikes me as an easy way for a baddie to come in after the fact and be all, 'well, how could anyone believe that?? These people who did must be bad!!' Strikes me as suspicious as well. Additionally, I had my eye on you when you seemed to be setting up suspicion against me, but consequently never expressed any firm opinions about anyone at all, and now all of a sudden you have tons of opinions after being called out for it.
Metalmarsh: Your push against zeek just because nothing immediately happened, which in my mafia experience is very typical (sometimes we don't even know if something was a civvie option or not until significantly later or when the game is over), strikes me as suspicious. This ties in with wanting to keep suspicion off of someone else, which corresponds to the suspicion against Enrique (if it is correct) since you don't say anything about him at all, and your case just strikes as contrived. Though I see you've backed off of it so I'm willing to give you the BOTD for now.
The reason the other five are on my watch list... Made's behavior has struck me as a bit too careful and I feel he gave the impression that he may have had good reason to believe juliets at least wasn't on his team by the way he reacted during D1. Dom's lack of explanation for some of his thoughts has struck me as a bit out of character, and his "random" vote during N1 was certainly odd, but I'm not sure yet that it makes him bad. Elo's vote on D1 was certainly one of the most suspicious, but I have become acquainted with her playstyle so I'm willing to hear her out. Bullz's "random" vote during N1 also struck me as odd and his vote for juliets on D1 could have been a baddie looking for something easy. Snow Dog's lack of on-topic contribution to date makes me nervous, since in the past I know he has been a talkative player, but simultaneously I know despite that he can take time before he develops sure opinions, and even then (understandably so), and I do realize he's largely been on hiatus and has been busy RL. I would say out of all of these, Elo definitely needs to be giving an explanation as even the wording of her vote yesterday seemed strange ("juliets seems the way to go" or something to that effect).
Snow Dog wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm also looking forward to more people actually posting on-topic because there are still a bunch who haven't commented on what went on, but I suppose D2 will be plentiful in that regard... I would hope.
I just find it strange people like Snow Dog pop in to say, nah, I don't care, I refuse to post on-topic, and then disappear.
Didn't say I didn't care nor did I refuse to post on topic. I refused to count them and do a minimum of five.
Oh, okay, I must have misunderstood you then. Thanks for clarifying.
Well, thoughts?
Woah tons of linki!! And glad to finally see some thoughts from Snow Dog re: Zeek. That does make me feel relatively better about you since you now seem to posting more along the lines of what I expect. Any thoughts on anyone else yet, Snowy? (or anyone else, for that matter?)