The Syndicate

sig wrote:Why Gleam?

@Zebra why wouldn't you vote for me?

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:To further clarify: what I'm saying may seem off topic but is very much game related in sorting her.

If you already said I'm town, you already have me sorted right?

Silverwolf wrote:testing, for off topic color usage, am I doing it right?

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:testing, for off topic color usage, am I doing it right?

yes love that's the right color.

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:testing, for off topic color usage, am I doing it right?

yes love that's the right color.

Thank You sweetie

RadicalFuzz wrote:I misinterpreted "he's here and not saying anything" as "he hasn't responded to me," my bad Wilgy.

And can one of you two please translate what's going on?

DrWilgy wrote:I'm seeing theories suggesting I'm a sock.

Everyone, am I a handsome sock or a beautiful daisy?

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I'm seeing theories suggesting I'm a sock.

Everyone, am I a handsome sock or a beautiful daisy?

Or a cop. Don't forget that possibility.

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.

Quin wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.

While I don't have anything but a neutral read for you, I do agree that Silver's vote is ridiculous. I am sure the class would be interested in hearing her justification, since all I've seen is 'Your tone is suspicious' and it doesn't quite cut it for me.


Where is Scotty from? When can I expect to have a conversation with him about his post?

linki: What did your reaction vote tell you, Silver? What made you think that gleam would be a good candidate for your test in the first place?

a2thezebra wrote:I don't see how agleaminranks is suspicious to anyone.

agleaminranks wrote:I'm really damn tempted, Silverwolf. I don't like to retaliate vote on principle.

I'm not going to vote until the end of the day period when I'm absolutely sure. I still want to follow up with my theory about Wilgy and reread some old posts. Maybe I'll call your bluff by then.

Silverwolf wrote:

Quin wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.

While I don't have anything but a neutral read for you, I do agree that Silver's vote is ridiculous. I am sure the class would be interested in hearing her justification, since all I've seen is 'Your tone is suspicious' and it doesn't quite cut it for me.


Where is Scotty from? When can I expect to have a conversation with him about his post?

linki: What did your reaction vote tell you, Silver? What made you think that gleam would be a good candidate for your test in the first place?

I wasn't talking about Gleam here.

I already said tone, defensiveness, OMGUS type behavior, hesitancy to vote me even though I moved to the top of his list.

What you think is ridiculous, I find vote worthy. To each their own I guess.

Quin wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Quin wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.

While I don't have anything but a neutral read for you, I do agree that Silver's vote is ridiculous. I am sure the class would be interested in hearing her justification, since all I've seen is 'Your tone is suspicious' and it doesn't quite cut it for me.


Where is Scotty from? When can I expect to have a conversation with him about his post?

linki: What did your reaction vote tell you, Silver? What made you think that gleam would be a good candidate for your test in the first place?

I wasn't talking about Gleam here.

I already said tone, defensiveness, OMGUS type behavior, hesitancy to vote me even though I moved to the top of his list.

What you think is ridiculous, I find vote worthy. To each their own I guess.

What does OMGUS stand for?

When I posed the question all I knew about was the tone. I just added a linki when I saw your post adding the rest of your thoughts. I didn't bother deleting my original paragraph, since that's what I thought the point of the linki was in the first place...I don't know.

Either way, I don't find your vote as ridiculous as I did now knowing the other reasons. Though it hasn't influenced my read of him in any way.

agleaminranks wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:agelaminranks

That's it. Hadn't said a word to her before that, nor she me. She also has not given any reason for it, and has just stated that she refuses to elaborate. All I did was ask, twice, if she could explain why. You two seem to be the only ones here right now and I know you have some friendship from another site, so we'll wait to see what others think.
Also, "long post of words with nothing to back it up"? I gave three explicit reasons that she has me pinged pretty hard.

Come back when you're sober.

Linki: also, please keep this silliness in off-topic green.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?

Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.

Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?

Tranq I think.

Scotty, what brought you to this conclusion? I find it weird that you didn't justify yourself to either Wilgy or Sloonei who questioned you about it. Ping-pong. That should be a smilie. From my point of view, you are the only one who has a good reason to arrest Tranq.

My vote goes to Scotty for now. It is not the strongest, but I do not agree with a Golden, Matt, Luffy or Sloonei lynch. It's not 6, unfortunately.

Quin wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Quin wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.

While I don't have anything but a neutral read for you, I do agree that Silver's vote is ridiculous. I am sure the class would be interested in hearing her justification, since all I've seen is 'Your tone is suspicious' and it doesn't quite cut it for me.


Where is Scotty from? When can I expect to have a conversation with him about his post?

linki: What did your reaction vote tell you, Silver? What made you think that gleam would be a good candidate for your test in the first place?

I wasn't talking about Gleam here.

I already said tone, defensiveness, OMGUS type behavior, hesitancy to vote me even though I moved to the top of his list.

What you think is ridiculous, I find vote worthy. To each their own I guess.

What does OMGUS stand for?

When I posed the question all I knew about was the tone. I just added a linki when I saw your post adding the rest of your thoughts. I didn't bother deleting my original paragraph, since that's what I thought the point of the linki was in the first place...I don't know.

Either way, I don't find your vote as ridiculous as I did now knowing the other reasons. Though it hasn't influenced my read of him in any way.

S~V~S wrote:Let me know when you are not on phone. We have two days.

Based on the position of the post and the wording you were talking to DDL.

Sloonei wrote:

Sloonei wrote:My questions will turn into more substantive reads if I'm given the time, but I have a tendency to die early in every game on the Syndicate. I did address Epi's vote for me here. The vote, as far as I can tell, was just based on me voting for Mongoose, so I don't know what else there is to address. Other than that, I can respect your thoughts on me and I don't think I'll be keeping my vote on you today. But I need to make a decision in the next 45 minutes.

this post was directed @ gleam and his last post on the previous page.

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also, if ika doesn't do anything D2, he should be lynched.

Do you think his inactivity makes him likely to be a cop?

Yes, inactivity plus an inability to give good reads so this is something to push him on.

ika-any reads?

Not really. I'm drunk atm.

Reads at this site would prob be NAI cus I dunno ppl

I LOVE YOU!

How about on me?

I belive I already said you were town.

Maybe a dunk ISO will help? Who do you have trouble reading maybe I can help. I still owe dr an ISO read too iirc

How about an ISO of the person voting you, he's also the one who asked you to ISO him. I will see if your read matches my own there.

agleaminranks wrote:I'm really damn tempted, Silverwolf. I don't like to retaliate vote on principle.

I'm not going to vote until the end of the day period when I'm absolutely sure. I still want to follow up with my theory about Wilgy and reread some old posts. Maybe I'll call your bluff by then.

agleaminranks wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, if I can interject, you've been about as inactive as ika has throughout the game. In fact, Ika has made more posts than you have in this game so far: 19 to your 13. You've not offered any single reads on any people yet apart from ika, whom you seemed very preoccupied on from the start. You pandered for their participation in your very first post, just as a response to their vote. You also addressed Golden but with very little interaction.

Can I ask why you're pushing so hard for ika's participation and lynching when you aren't even performing to the standards you're asking for?

EBWOP, you also have neglected to answer why you're voting for me out of nowhere.

I don't like the tone of your posts. They ping.

Nor I yours. Also, as someone with whom I had not interacted with whatsoever prior to this day period, and vice versa, you voted for me without any reasoning given, immediately following two people who had voted for me the previous day and had already stated their reasoning quite often.

You either have some reason for doing so (which you have yet to divulge, by the way. Is it unfair for me to ask that of you?), you saw a bandwagon forming and wanted to hop on while you could (generally a scummy tactic), or you're just going to vote and not give any explanation whatsoever and hope it flies, which is another scummy thing to do. All around, you're acting very scummy and you've moved to the very top of my list. I'm still going to pursue the Wilgy route, but some things you've been doing have been feeling awfully police-like to me.

Scotty wrote:Why on earth did Tranq get killed? Guess I really can't read people.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?

Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.

Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?

Tranq I think.

Scotty, what brought you to this conclusion? I find it weird that you didn't justify yourself to either Wilgy or Sloonei who questioned you about it. Ping-pong. That should be a smilie. From my point of view, you are the only one who has a good reason to arrest Tranq.

My vote goes to Scotty for now. It is not the strongest, but I do not agree with a Golden, Matt, Luffy or Sloonei lynch. It's not 6, unfortunately.

Tone and quality. I saw some pings from the active players, but not enough that I was looking too harshly at them.
From low-posters, however, I honestly just felt Tranq's 2 posts to be lacking. He was like a paraplegic cheerleader- wanting to be part of the game, but had a hard time dancing with the others. (Oh god I'm going to hell for that one)

But yeah I was wrong.

Didn't justify myself? Perhaps you missed this post I made prior:

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote:

Tranq wrote:I voted Bullzeye. I feel he got replaced way too fast after his vote. He took the time to catch up, vote for me, said he'll ask to be replaced, and got replaced 4 minutes after that. Feels like the arrangements to get him replaced were already set in motion before he posted and voted.

Scotty wrote:Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Tranq wrote:

Scotty wrote:I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

Of the low posters, Tranq's only post here seems very bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Will continue to scan the thread but he's going to get my vote right now.

Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed? I haven't heard that one before. What do you mean by that?

You are a big . Come on, why is it suspicious to be asked to be replaced? There were a bunch of pages after he voted for you, and I'll admit I was thinking the same thing: "holy camoley Batman, how am I gonna keep up with this" so this seems legitimate to me and says nothing about his alignment. He, like me, found you suspicious.

And by bright-eyed and bushy tailed, I of course mean Bambi- if Bambi were actually a 300 pound tattoo-covered Hispanic man named Carlos. I found your one post in day 1 to be naive and uninformed. Like you found the bullet point of the thread and tried to offer your opinion without actually adding anything.

And lol. If I were a cop, why on earth would I arrest Tranq? I was probably his main detractor! This kill seems totally random, or switched via Daisy power.

Golden wrote:Tranq may have been inactive, but he is also a very very good mafia player, who often manages to avoid attention from lynch and nk for long enough to do real damage. It says two possible things to me

1) at least one or two of the cops know tranq well, and wanted him out of the way early, or
2) Daisy wanted to take away one of sockface's players and picked someone she thought would be dangerous long term.

I think those are more likely than the cops simply taking him out for being inactive.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Tranq may have been inactive, but he is also a very very good mafia player, who often manages to avoid attention from lynch and nk for long enough to do real damage. It says two possible things to me

1) at least one or two of the cops know tranq well, and wanted him out of the way early, or
2) Daisy wanted to take away one of sockface's players and picked someone she thought would be dangerous long term.

I think those are more likely than the cops simply taking him out for being inactive.

Does this mean that you have at the very least a neutral read for Scotty?

Quin wrote:I had thought that arrested players get put into another thread which consists of the jailmates and probably the warden. Maybe they have some sort of goal to achieve in there?

linki: Well, I am open to hearing what you have to say when you are able to catch up.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why on earth did Tranq get killed? Guess I really can't read people.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?

Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.

Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?

Tranq I think.

Scotty, what brought you to this conclusion? I find it weird that you didn't justify yourself to either Wilgy or Sloonei who questioned you about it. Ping-pong. That should be a smilie. From my point of view, you are the only one who has a good reason to arrest Tranq.

My vote goes to Scotty for now. It is not the strongest, but I do not agree with a Golden, Matt, Luffy or Sloonei lynch. It's not 6, unfortunately.

Tone and quality. I saw some pings from the active players, but not enough that I was looking too harshly at them.
From low-posters, however, I honestly just felt Tranq's 2 posts to be lacking. He was like a paraplegic cheerleader- wanting to be part of the game, but had a hard time dancing with the others. (Oh god I'm going to hell for that one)

But yeah I was wrong.

Didn't justify myself? Perhaps you missed this post I made prior:

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote:

Tranq wrote:I voted Bullzeye. I feel he got replaced way too fast after his vote. He took the time to catch up, vote for me, said he'll ask to be replaced, and got replaced 4 minutes after that. Feels like the arrangements to get him replaced were already set in motion before he posted and voted.

Scotty wrote:Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Tranq wrote:

Scotty wrote:I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

Of the low posters, Tranq's only post here seems very bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Will continue to scan the thread but he's going to get my vote right now.

Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed? I haven't heard that one before. What do you mean by that?

You are a big . Come on, why is it suspicious to be asked to be replaced? There were a bunch of pages after he voted for you, and I'll admit I was thinking the same thing: "holy camoley Batman, how am I gonna keep up with this" so this seems legitimate to me and says nothing about his alignment. He, like me, found you suspicious.

And by bright-eyed and bushy tailed, I of course mean Bambi- if Bambi were actually a 300 pound tattoo-covered Hispanic man named Carlos. I found your one post in day 1 to be naive and uninformed. Like you found the bullet point of the thread and tried to offer your opinion without actually adding anything.

And lol. If I were a cop, why on earth would I arrest Tranq? I was probably his main detractor! This kill seems totally random, or switched via Daisy power.

I did miss your justification. Sorry about that.

But I still have my reservations about Tranq's arrest. I wonder how feasible it is to arrest one of the most inactive players over the 20 or so other players who have likely got a firm grip on at least one police by now. If I was scum there is no way Tranq would be my first choice. I see nobody else who benefits from his arrest than you, Scotty. Being wrong about your suspicion of a player who was killed would, in most cases, come across as a town tell. You were able to express your suspicion of a player, while preventing Tranq from following it up and making your suspicion into a bigger deal than it was. Or that daisy thing, yeah.

Also, could you explain your day 1 vote? I understand that you voted based on inactivity, which I personally agree with, but why did you not change your vote from chaindeath to Tranq since you decided that he was the most suspicious?

Quin wrote:But I still have my reservations about Tranq's arrest. I wonder how feasible it is to arrest one of the most inactive players over the 20 or so other players who have likely got a firm grip on at least one police by now. If I was scum there is no way Tranq would be my first choice. I see nobody else who benefits from his arrest than you, Scotty. Being wrong about your suspicion of a player who was killed would, in most cases, come across as a town tell. You were able to express your suspicion of a player, while preventing Tranq from following it up and making your suspicion into a bigger deal than it was. Or that daisy thing, yeah.

Also, could you explain your day 1 vote? I understand that you voted based on inactivity, which I personally agree with, but why did you not change your vote from chaindeath to Tranq since you decided that he was the most suspicious?

RadicalFuzz wrote:I'm going to make the following assumptions.
Being arrested does not equate to being dead, they're different states. The first post player list has separate segments for them, and several roles (Stool Pigeon & Warden) mention arrests specifically.
The Warden's role has unspecified details. It reads only "Warden - Runs the prison and oversees all the prisoners" and I doubt they'd bother making the different game state of being arrested just for the Stool Pigeon.

My guess is that the reason they arrested Tranq had to do with that difference between being arrested and being dead. Assuming logical thought, they believed that having Tranq in that "Arrested" state would be more beneficial than not. That surprises me because it seems to me that Tranq would've gotten heat and, since he presumably isn't scum, could've been "used" for lack of a better term.

I'm not familiar with Tranq, though, so if he's a strong town player then that could provide a more straightforward explanation as well.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:What does NAI stand for?

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, sorry for missing out on the last day. I've read up until page 15, hopefully I'll catch up tomorrow.

I'm quite surprised at the number of new players in this specific game. The thread is going so fast and references on other games flash by here and there. Let us be civil(no pun intended), it seems some sparks are flying.

Who/what is a linki? When I catch up hopefully I'll be able to form a clearer picture. If it doesn't come in that form, I'll make that investigation board instead. No matter what happens, I'll cast a vote this day phase.

a geek affliction whereby a poster on a forum disregards the last post and continues with his or her own; this is also called crossposting, and is a horrible disease.

People exhibiting this type of behavior show no regard for the edit button, and usually have no idea the cure is quite simple: refresh, edit, and re-submit. While in the throws of a Linkitis-fit, afflicted posters will generally never delete their infected post, forcing other posters to take up the slack, delete THEIR own post, and make some sort of a cheeky reference.

This affliction occurs quite often on the Lostpedia forums, and was first discovered in late August of 2007. Named after Link McCloud, Linkitis is only getting worse lately; scientists are currently unable to figure out why this continues. Remember: refresh, edit, resubmit.
(example taken from THE QUESTION GAME thread):

AlaskaDave: Whats your favorite fruit
fredcar: Bananas. Do you like Baseball?
CurbFan: Yes, but Rugby is better. Do you LOST DVDs?
LINKITIS-INFLICTED POSTER 3: Pineapples.

DrWilgy wrote:EVERYONE!!

Can we please start specifying the difference between NK and arrested? If they are different game states (which I think is the case), shit is going to get really confusing down the road if we keep using them interchangeably. Let's not make the game more difficult than needed :P