The Syndicate

meh, alison could be a wolf. not for the peek. just because why not

non binary checks

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:04 pm non binary checks

nyan-binary

binyary

Even our checks are inclusive

OwO

let’s just kill alison and then if she flips villager we can just kill whoever she says to kill next

it’s foolproof

I'm either being really smart or im gamethrowing, weeeeeee

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:10 pm I'm either being really smart or im gamethrowing, weeeeeee

me every game

So when you checked Alison, were you given a red check? A mafia check? Told they were KC mafia?

This may be important

i’m too small-brained to understand this game

UNVOTE

Pause, time-out, hold the ohone

Why are you guys voting for Alison?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:15 pm So when you checked Alison, were you given a red check? A mafia check? Told they were KC mafia?

This may be important

Michelle?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 pm let’s just kill alison and then if she flips villager we can just kill whoever she says to kill next

it’s foolproof

I'm not following the logic here

that’s because there is none

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:01 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:39 pm Hally spf esooa mich odd

This is the inner circle town core

I guess I'm still sheeping other peoples reads on straw, I think he's been kind of scummy tbh but mac and Jay both know him and thought he was town, hally has him as town, so I guess ill ride with it

Mich probably town although I need her to be a bit more cooperative, pushing hally is a nonstarter

Jpic is exactly rand for me, I have to read some early game stuff at some point but I think leaning town

Still think bo is volume cleared, willing to listen to counter arguments

That leaves fingers kza and Alison I think. That's the pool I'm ok with killing in today

I said already i see she is antitown in many aspects. Iirc Alison was the one pushing the story of Hally being mason with Mac.
I didn't get where in Mac's role is the info of masonry.
And that means I can suspect Hally. She was so pushy when i said Ted is town read asking if I have mechanical info, that I reffuse to think town Hally really wants to out the town cop like that. Add the lack of motivation for a player who can't stand to not post 1000 posts per game, hundreds of various thoughts in all shades of likelihood from likley true/logical to most untrue/illogical. If i squint I can see she pours her town meta in her posts, but what if it's scum tactic?

Explain me your read on Hally please, i want to understand it.
Other than this i agree with your town core, after I wanted to vote Esooa I got the feeling she is villager, SPF I already said why, you started to feel like town you after being like NAI all game

I mean, I'm pushing that hally is macs mason

The only world she's not is if yoh are and this is your way of trying to CC but

If it is you should've done it on d2 not waited until now, and you presumably wouldn't be claiming cop checks



Also I shot dom/seth after nobody wanted to kill them during the day, I'm lock clear

What gives you the mason certainty?

I know and I agree

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:41 pm that’s because there is none

suiting since this game seems to defy all logic.

i just finished a game on mafiauniverse where i was a wolf, and i can finally talk about it!

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Mafia-III

i was partnered with BoKnows, and Bo got outed almost immediately and became the eventual d1 chop. his play in that game is literally like night and day compared to this game - the differences are absurdly drastic

i am always reluctant to base reads on meta, but the distinct difference in the bo!scum meta that i just experienced compared to this game has left me feeling pretty strongly like bo could just be a villager

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:01 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:39 pm Hally spf esooa mich odd

This is the inner circle town core

I guess I'm still sheeping other peoples reads on straw, I think he's been kind of scummy tbh but mac and Jay both know him and thought he was town, hally has him as town, so I guess ill ride with it

Mich probably town although I need her to be a bit more cooperative, pushing hally is a nonstarter

Jpic is exactly rand for me, I have to read some early game stuff at some point but I think leaning town

Still think bo is volume cleared, willing to listen to counter arguments

That leaves fingers kza and Alison I think. That's the pool I'm ok with killing in today

I said already i see she is antitown in many aspects. Iirc Alison was the one pushing the story of Hally being mason with Mac.
I didn't get where in Mac's role is the info of masonry.
And that means I can suspect Hally. She was so pushy when i said Ted is town read asking if I have mechanical info, that I reffuse to think town Hally really wants to out the town cop like that. Add the lack of motivation for a player who can't stand to not post 1000 posts per game, hundreds of various thoughts in all shades of likelihood from likley true/logical to most untrue/illogical. If i squint I can see she pours her town meta in her posts, but what if it's scum tactic?

Explain me your read on Hally please, i want to understand it.
Other than this i agree with your town core, after I wanted to vote Esooa I got the feeling she is villager, SPF I already said why, you started to feel like town you after being like NAI all game

I mean, I'm pushing that hally is macs mason

The only world she's not is if yoh are and this is your way of trying to CC but

If it is you should've done it on d2 not waited until now, and you presumably wouldn't be claiming cop checks



Also I shot dom/seth after nobody wanted to kill them during the day, I'm lock clear

What gives you the mason certainty?

I know and I agree

I really don't feel like going through this a fourth time tbh

Please just trust that if you aren't the mason then hally is

The logic for alison being mafia is

Seth blocked odd on n2
Michelle red checked Alison n2
Seth dies d3
Michelle green checks odd
Mafia have to push the idea theres a framer or that michelles checks are otherwise unreliable

I think this is like

Fairly likely what happened

Or im applying occams razor incorrectly but

I think its more likely correct than there being both a framer type role and a godfather

I need two pieces of information, I need to know when @Oddmerta claimed trooper (I think d2? Anyone can find it, please and thanks)

And I need to know what kind of checks @Michelle gets, ie do you get told an explicit alignment, red/green, whatever the flavor of your check is

who is pushing that idea then

if i was in F3 and nook voted me i’d probably vote myself too. that’s how pocketed i am right now

viva la revolucion

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:49 pm The logic for alison being mafia is

Seth blocked odd on n2
Michelle red checked Alison n2
Seth dies d3
Michelle green checks odd
Mafia have to push the idea theres a framer or that michelles checks are otherwise unreliable

I think this is like

Fairly likely what happened

Or im applying occams razor incorrectly but

I think its more likely correct than there being both a framer type role and a godfather

i don’t think there’d have to be a framer in the world alison is town. i think it’s more likely it’d just be a redirector

but alison could also just be a wolf, who knows

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:49 pm The logic for alison being mafia is

Seth blocked odd on n2
Michelle red checked Alison n2
Seth dies d3
Michelle green checks odd
Mafia have to push the idea theres a framer or that michelles checks are otherwise unreliable

I think this is like

Fairly likely what happened

Or im applying occams razor incorrectly but

I think its more likely correct than there being both a framer type role and a godfather

i don’t think there’d have to be a framer in the world alison is town. i think it’s more likely it’d just be a redirector

but alison could also just be a wolf, who knows

No it would have to be a framer or framer esque role, sloonei is flipped green

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:49 pm The logic for alison being mafia is

Seth blocked odd on n2
Michelle red checked Alison n2
Seth dies d3
Michelle green checks odd
Mafia have to push the idea theres a framer or that michelles checks are otherwise unreliable

I think this is like

Fairly likely what happened

Or im applying occams razor incorrectly but

I think its more likely correct than there being both a framer type role and a godfather

i don’t think there’d have to be a framer in the world alison is town. i think it’s more likely it’d just be a redirector

but alison could also just be a wolf, who knows

No it would have to be a framer or framer esque role, sloonei is flipped green

if the redirector makes michelle target a wolf she gets a red check

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:49 pm The logic for alison being mafia is

Seth blocked odd on n2
Michelle red checked Alison n2
Seth dies d3
Michelle green checks odd
Mafia have to push the idea theres a framer or that michelles checks are otherwise unreliable

I think this is like

Fairly likely what happened

Or im applying occams razor incorrectly but

I think its more likely correct than there being both a framer type role and a godfather

i don’t think there’d have to be a framer in the world alison is town. i think it’s more likely it’d just be a redirector

but alison could also just be a wolf, who knows

No it would have to be a framer or framer esque role, sloonei is flipped green

if the redirector makes michelle target a wolf she gets a red check

Redirector was Alison to sloon that night

One I highly doubt there's two redirectors

And if there are

The odds they both targeted Alison and the mafia one took precedence cannot be high

@Oddmerta sorry for another ping, can you check to see if you'd be told if you were roleblocked on n2? I assume not, but never hurts to find out

a redirector is different from a busdriver

a busdriver switches targets. a redirector forces michelle to target someone of their choosing

but it’s not important. i’m just saying in the world where alison is a villager there’s more likely to be a redirector than a framer just based on how it shook out

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:39 pm a redirector is different from a busdriver

a busdriver switches targets. a redirector forces michelle to target someone of their choosing

but it’s not important. i’m just saying in the world where alison is a villager there’s more likely to be a redirector than a framer just based on how it shook out

I disagree think two misdirection roles existing, in whatever format, is much less likely than a framer or insanifier or whatever

At any rate this isn't a necessary discussion unless alison flips green

the problem with your theory is that if they have a roleblocker and not a redirector then there's no accounting for why mich is alive and getting checks

Also my legacy is to blindly chop through the POE, if you lose to a falsely mech cleared wolf so be it. Better than turning the game into a trash fire because of the mech.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:16 pm the problem with your theory is that if they have a roleblocker and not a redirector then there's no accounting for why mich is alive and getting checks

We know they had a blocker. Seth. He's dead.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:17 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:16 pm the problem with your theory is that if they have a roleblocker and not a redirector then there's no accounting for why mich is alive and getting checks

We know they had a blocker. Seth. He's dead.

If the blocker is dead then why is the mafia not superkilling Michelle?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:17 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:16 pm the problem with your theory is that if they have a roleblocker and not a redirector then there's no accounting for why mich is alive and getting checks

We know they had a blocker. Seth. He's dead.

If the blocker is dead then why is the mafia not superkilling Michelle?

because nobody believes her checks. whether that’s because we THINK her checks are bad when they’re not or because wolves know they’re bad is up in the air

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:17 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:16 pm the problem with your theory is that if they have a roleblocker and not a redirector then there's no accounting for why mich is alive and getting checks

We know they had a blocker. Seth. He's dead.

If the blocker is dead then why is the mafia not superkilling Michelle?

I mean if you're mafia you're kind of forced into the "michelles checks aren't reliable" push and killing her pretty well undoes that narrative

I think everyone who thinks at the game, trying to solve like Nanook, Hally (you won Nanook, i have to sheep this read), and SPF, are villagers.
Also yes, Bo plays in town meta. And I think Esooa's posts are pure, and her willingness to die is villagery.

I have to confess my sin, i am sorry i am late but today was a RL busy one.

I have as peeks just Ted and Odd, both innocents.
Alison is my read, my check failed that night.
I thought few days at what should I do, how can I receive some answers and reactions and I made up the peek on Alison, who is my strongest scum read. I saw Alison as villager at MU, she was dunking wolves with a bright and positive vibe. In this game she is content with a Poe who kills villagers. Also i think that her claim is a logic reason for the other mafia team to let her live and she was probably protected by her own team and by Odd who can be a villager controlled by her.
In the slim possibility that I am wrong about her (i have a history of reading Alison scum correctly in all games until now, but who knows... ) i have to admit that she being wolf is just my own read.

Few more reasons for Alison to be wolf:
SPF finishing a hard game at MU is understandable to be low posting until now.
But Alison being complacent is not.All she did today was self defending and shading me.
The way she knew I could not peek her, regardless the action of Odd, is for me a proof she knew I was blocked. Not just her knew, there are people who skated around, avoiding a stance.
Also mafia didn't RB me again, because they didn't expect that any save to still be in the play.
I think her vote today is either for a villager, or for a partner who is not the RBer, a bus for town credit and to keep the pack stronger.
Mafia RBer made impossible from LC to have results, and for me to check JPIC in that night. I didn't peek Alison, i thought if i am wrong and she is villager she will die. Big mistake, but anyway didn't matter.

I am sorry i lied my villagers with my fake peek, I know I have to say the truth before I die for everyone who wants a mechanical view over the game
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@staypositivefriend
@Hally
@Esooa
@BoKnows

I will go to sleep now, but tomorow I will try my best to be more active

Are you fucking kidding me I've been solving as if you got that peek and figuring out mech and I had it down and now you say it's a fake red


Jesus fucking christ

The time to rescind the peek was fucking yesterday not let it stand for a whole fucking cycle

What a fucking waste of time and energy

Fucking fuck me

this game fucking sucks

so you were just roleblocked that night? and faked a red?

jesus christ, and you call ME anti-town?! are you joking?

Can't believe I wasted that much fucking time figuring out the mech around a fucking fake peek jm so tilted

Anyways

We kill fingers i think and go from there

I don't know im trying hard not to be toxic but this fucking sucks