Page 197 of 273

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:50 pm
by Michelle
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:48 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:45 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 pm You've been proclaiming all day that you're shielding him until tomorrow. Why would it bother you that I'm accepting that?
Shielding him till tomorrow is not in any way shape or form me saying he can be mech cleared
Fair.

I just copy-pasted my list from earlier, and didn't think that hard about the players I had already slotted as town since I didn't have reason to move them.
I want to understand your read for me if you are kind and explain it

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:50 pm
by Michelle
Nice shot btw Dizzy, and grats Mac to find the best shot

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:53 pm
by Michelle
VC
Spoiler: show
Imagine dying d3 lmao
Poll runs till Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
1
3%
Voters: Party Crasher
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
EnderWiggin
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
5
17%
Voters: EnderWiggin, DrWilgy, Lilypetal, Golden, Marmot
hollowkatt
2
7%
Voters: Urist, MacDougall
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lilypetal
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
2
7%
Voters: Scotty, Michelle
Marmot
3
10%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Kate, S~V~S
master radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Party Crasher
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
2
7%
Voters: Dyslexicon, hollowkatt
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
1
3%
Voters: falcon45ca
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Urist
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote/unvote
2
7%
Voters: sig, Neon
Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
Host/mod/spec/dead etc
11
38%
Voters: Dennis, Le petit poussin, lucy, Spacedaisy, pyxxy, Seanzie, Sabiplz, Cape90, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, nutella, JaggedJimmyJay
Total votes: 29

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:53 pm
by Scotty
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:17 pm @S~V~S why did you keep your vote on Mac at EOD2 when you were the only one left there?
I can defend her there- she put herself there and I joined her as the day was winding down. So there were two of us until I jumped back off in the last minute

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:55 pm
by Marmot
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:50 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:48 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:45 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 pm You've been proclaiming all day that you're shielding him until tomorrow. Why would it bother you that I'm accepting that?
Shielding him till tomorrow is not in any way shape or form me saying he can be mech cleared
Fair.

I just copy-pasted my list from earlier, and didn't think that hard about the players I had already slotted as town since I didn't have reason to move them.
I want to understand your read for me if you are kind and explain it
Several of the players in my POE I haven't had time develop reads on yet, and haven't seen a mech or other reason to move them out of it.

That's why you're there. But I'll try to get around to doing that later if I can.

Can you give me a towncase of yourself?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:57 pm
by Scotty
Spiritually voting for falcon.

Someone said he had good interactions with soup mafia. I’ll do my own looksie later

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:57 pm
by Marmot
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:53 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:17 pm @S~V~S why did you keep your vote on Mac at EOD2 when you were the only one left there?
I can defend her there- she put herself there and I joined her as the day was winding down. So there were two of us until I jumped back off in the last minute
I don't remember if this was discussed, but why did you jump off when two votes would have sufficed for Mac's role?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:59 pm
by Marmot
I'm leaving the thread for real this time.

(Also I notice Rondo is now self-voting, not voting me. Self-voting, good choice :hmmyes:)

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:01 pm
by falcon45ca
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:57 pm Spiritually voting for falcon.

Someone said he had good interactions with soup mafia. I’ll do my own looksie later
Read my ISO and decide for yourself

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:02 pm
by Scotty
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:57 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:53 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:17 pm @S~V~S why did you keep your vote on Mac at EOD2 when you were the only one left there?
I can defend her there- she put herself there and I joined her as the day was winding down. So there were two of us until I jumped back off in the last minute
I don't remember if this was discussed, but why did you jump off when two votes would have sufficed for Mac's role?
I incorrectly remembered mac saying there needed to be 3 when he said he needed ‘a few’ votes so I put my vote somewhere else potentially useful

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:02 pm
by Scotty
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:01 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:57 pm Spiritually voting for falcon.

Someone said he had good interactions with soup mafia. I’ll do my own looksie later
Read my ISO and decide for yourself
I will!

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:07 pm
by Scotty
Q: when you look at HK’s iso, does the spat between himself and Guillo ever wolf theater between teammates? I don’t think so.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:08 pm
by Scotty
Also I just realized- maybe the mod squad IS the lost wolf faction and they aren’t knowingly teamed with anyone

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:13 pm
by Golden
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:35 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:31 am Hello, friends.
Greetings Enderbane
:haha:

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:13 pm
by Michelle
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:55 pm
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:50 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:48 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:45 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 pm You've been proclaiming all day that you're shielding him until tomorrow. Why would it bother you that I'm accepting that?
Shielding him till tomorrow is not in any way shape or form me saying he can be mech cleared
Fair.

I just copy-pasted my list from earlier, and didn't think that hard about the players I had already slotted as town since I didn't have reason to move them.
I want to understand your read for me if you are kind and explain it
Several of the players in my POE I haven't had time develop reads on yet, and haven't seen a mech or other reason to move them out of it.

That's why you're there. But I'll try to get around to doing that later if I can.

Can you give me a towncase of yourself?
I don't usually town case myself.
Few ideas, I am unaligned with the soup mafia and the thirds squad and I put myself as Mac voter when no one else except Scotty has enough courage to do so.
I said if i stay in the wagon I will hard claim closer to Eod but I hope someone will join it because Mac need at least 2 and if i can leave the wagon I will not claim.
I hate what Rondo is doing, the allussions at self clearing and such without explanations, i am not doing this because I don't play like that.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:34 pm
by Kate
Golden wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:47 pm
Kate wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:36 pm
Golden wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:28 pm
Marmot wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:41 pm
Kate wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:35 pm Just one last thing, I didn't admit to misinterpreting. I pointed out my belief of you being purposefully obtuse. I'm not trying to insult you all, I swear. I think youre doing your job or playing your role. I just think I caught you and I don't want to let my belief fade away in the thread.
I know you aren't trying to insult me, I think you're a wolf who's attempting to continue keeping pressure on me, which is what I was referring to when I said I didn't like your approach.
You’re both town. But if one of you is wolf it’s marmot. Kate is absolutely just not a wolf. But you’re both town, and I think not tinfoiling each other will help us win.
You think I'm tinfoiling? 🤔 do me a favor and reread just him and me today.
I have been watching closely and my thoughts the whole time have been ‘I agree with marmot, Kate I think you’re badly misinterpreting him’. Which is why I made the post I did.

Every marmot response to you matches the way in which I interpreted his words the first time. I think you might be confbiasing.
What's confbiasing ?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:40 pm
by Sloonei
Am I supposed to vote Mac for the Greater Good today?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:43 pm
by falcon45ca
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:07 pm Q: when you look at HK’s iso, does the spat between himself and Guillo ever wolf theater between teammates? I don’t think so.
I mean, HK was 3P, so I don't know how that's really possible

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:01 pm
by Michelle
Sloonei wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:40 pm Am I supposed to vote Mac for the Greater Good today?
Yes

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:02 pm
by Party Crasher
why do my other heads keep claiming smh

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:03 pm
by Michelle
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:02 pm why do my other heads keep claiming smh
Vote Mac pls

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:04 pm
by Michelle
And bring here Zeus if he can play

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:06 pm
by Party Crasher
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:03 pm
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:02 pm why do my other heads keep claiming smh
Vote Mac pls
sounds like a waste of time

nah

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:06 pm
by Party Crasher
actually I will vote Mac if he's the chop for the day :3

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:21 pm
by Sloonei
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:06 pm actually I will vote Mac if he's the chop for the day :3
That is not the reason for the mac votes.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:21 pm
by Sloonei
Though tbh i’m not sure I understand the full mechanics if Mac’s claimed role.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:31 pm
by Michelle
Noted how Party and Sloonei are affraid to vote Mac

I don't think i buy that Sloonei don't understand Mac's claim
@MacDougall explain it again

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:52 pm
by Sloonei
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:31 pm Noted how Party and Sloonei are affraid to vote Mac

I don't think i buy that Sloonei don't understand Mac's claim
@MacDougall explain it again
I am not afraid. I am just uncertain about the current state of things. And I also have not seen a direct explanation of what Mac’s ability is. I have only seen it referenced indirectly.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:52 pm
by Sloonei
If I was “afraid” of this subject, I would have simply not brought it up unprovoked.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:53 pm
by Sloonei
And the Party Crashed head that’s currently occupying the hydra also clearly just doesn’t understand the situation.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:20 pm
by MacDougall
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:21 am
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:30 pm
Neon wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:23 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:14 pm
Neon wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:04 pm Look at me having WiM and shit.

I love this game.
nice job!

Can you do me a solid and grab all the votes from d1/2 like wilgy did (you have it quoted, I just want to make sure its ALL the vote) and update it with the MR flip colour for me? I would but I dont have the time atm
Only cause I like you

Cape90 ( 16 ): Seanzie, S~V~S, sig, Golden, Inawordyes, Party Crasher, MacDougall, Le petit poussin, Kate, nutella, Marmot, Urist, Alison, EnderWiggin, Dyslexicon, Michelle
Inawordyes ( 8 ): Scotty, DrWilgy, 112, Sloonei, Master Radishes, Lilypetal, Sabiplz, Cape90
Dennis ( 3 ): Guillotine, Neon, falcon45ca
MacDougall ( 3 ): RondoDimBuckle, Porscha, Dennis
Creature ( 2 ): pyxxy, Creature
Guillotine ( 1 ): TonyStarkPrime
Party Crasher ( 1 ): hollowkatt
pyxxy ( 1 ): ilario
not voting ( shrug emoji ): idk lol I think nobody

Seanzie ( 10 ): Marmot, falcon45ca, nutella, Neon, Party Crasher, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha, Kate
RondoDimBuckle ( 6 ): Urist, Sloonei, Creature, EnderWiggin, 112, Seanzie
Marmot ( 4 ): MacDougall, Master Radishes, RondoDimBuckle, Scotty
S~V~S ( 2 ): sig, Golden
Scotty ( 2 ): hollowkatt, Michelle
Golden ( 1 ): Guillotine
MacDougall ( 1 ): S~V~S
sig ( 1 ): DrWilgy
not voting ( idk hopefully none of you lol ): shrug emoji

Assuming I didn't fuck anything up redoing this
There's gotta be at least 1 more Maf on Cape I'd think
I think it would depend on how many more wolves there, but given that the three primary wagons on Day 1 were town, the wolves probably didn't have incentive to push any of them in particular.
What are you trying to say? Of course there being a mafia on Cape depends on how many are there... weird.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:22 pm
by MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:33 am
S~V~S wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:33 am I have heard people say bastard game, but what exactly is that? The host throws in a secret twist?

I always thought the point of a vig is to kill baddies, not sort out possible town. We've had two baddies vigged this game; this is like an extra chop round. I know this makes me look hopelessly old fashioned and I don't care :shrug:

And I am gonna put in my vote for @Dyslexicon to vig Marmot.

They are the person I most find bad, they keep wiggling their way out of it. I think being a fruit vendor is a good, innocuous role to hide behind. I think their interactions with Sabi were super sketch, and I think they slipped up when comparing Neons game here to her bad game in Holes, which led me to compare Marmot here to Holes, and yeah, not the same Marmot.
Is this a soft protect against HK?
SVS do be a pretty good bet for another 3p at this point.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:23 pm
by MacDougall
Guillo presently having 5 votes after i spelled out that he's near confirmed town to me is pretty lame team.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D2

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:25 pm
by MacDougall
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:44 am
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:07 pm Creature:
**American Townie:**

You're a vanilla town, but with a gun. A gun that you have to use. Why else would you have a gun, if not to use it? That would be silly. Anyways, if you receive more than one vote during the day, the following night you MUST shoot someone who voted for you. Only eod votes are counted for the purposes of this role.

Example: on D2 you are voted by fingers, sabie, and nanook. On n2 you must choose to shoot one of those three.
If Alison didn't kill pyxxy, this might've been how he died.
wait did we seriously all miss this lmaooo
Creature wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:32 pm Also ftr I'm kinda distrustful about Alison shooting pyxxy.
creature what are you doing man why didnt you call out alison earlier lmao

maybe he thought she also killed him?

and i guess why would alison fake claim the shot when she knows mafia played no part in pyxxy's death?

this is so weird...

maybe one of alison's partner and creature both shot pyxxy?

@MacDougall are u still sure guillo is ur role, coz then that's 3 identical roles, not 2
How is it 3? Where is the other me?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:28 pm
by MacDougall
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:05 am
MacDougall wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:19 pm @Sloonei I know asking you might be silly but have you ever actually slank wolfed with like no concered effort to wolfside included? Be honest or I'll hit you.
What did w!Sloonei look like in scum chat in Philosopher II Mafia?

I know he subbed out EOD1 and was incredibly slanky before, but do you recall anything from behind the scenes?
No can remember.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:28 pm
by MacDougall
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:08 am i think marmot is towny af both in terms of day talk today and in terms of their claim and role

im a bit wary coz they're an amazing wolf

but i dont want them to be shot/chopped today

i think we should clear hk and 112 with our shot and chop

realistically high chance they're both town sadly but. we need to do this, either today or later

i would be happy if marmot votes mac today though to give him the choice to shoot them. just to show their good will like scotty and svs and michelle

-------------------

also i would invite u all to stop crushing on sloonei. yes he's the champ and he's cute and amazing but he's also probably scum and ur townreading him and giving him a pass only because you like him, no other reason

-t
Lol you said amazing wolf... dead town Nutella called him polarised. The dichotomy of man.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:32 pm
by MacDougall
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:07 am Is my Marmot read crazy? I feel like I've felt this before, like I'm suspecting Marmot, but I really shouldn't. But I don't remember what alignment he was lol
Mmmm I dunno I think he's town.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:32 pm
by MacDougall
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:09 am Hi it's me sheep ask me any questions you're too afraid to ask tutuu (I don't know if I'm going to do any more solving atm)
Spoken like a true non town.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:36 pm
by MacDougall
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:18 am I don't get the Guillo wagon based on what Mac said.
Most of the votes were there already I think.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:36 pm
by MacDougall
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:21 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:34 am You are a hydra, in the game of champions, comprised of a group of players that didn't win a game in 2022, which is the prerequisite to entry into the game, with the name Party Crasher, and you have a bulletproof vest and you're town?

This is your story, and at least some part of it is a lie. I refuse to believe the above to be a truthful statement.
So basically either we're not town or we don't have a bulletproof vest?

well.
Does your role PM actually use the word bulletproof vest in it?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:38 pm
by MacDougall
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:35 am I'll probably just shoot HK, but I feel it's decently likely he'll just end up being town, and that will be boring and lame. And then Rondo will be mafia and laugh at me.
This is perhaps the towniest post Dizzy has made lol.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:43 pm
by MacDougall
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:00 pm lol omg did nook make you actually do the killing curse dizzy or is that just for the memes?
@Dyslexicon this is actually relevant to me. Can you answer him?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:44 pm
by MacDougall
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:05 pm I need to go! Please @ me if there's something you need me to pay attention to.

I don't think Guillo is a good wagon at all actually. The way he reacted to Mac's role is pretty clearing imo

Please consider Rondo more.

I don't think I should be in the general PoE, but if I am, I'll vote Mac if enough good candidates do.
You good

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:45 pm
by MacDougall
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:17 pm @MacDougall if Creature was able to self-vote and kill pyxxy who was his only other voter, I imagine you can too.
This never occ... what

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:46 pm
by MacDougall
Oh fuck never mind. Everything I said about Guillo is wrong. Creature flipped with my other role. Guillo can die fuck it.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:49 pm
by MacDougall
Scotty wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:08 pm Also I just realized- maybe the mod squad IS the lost wolf faction and they aren’t knowingly teamed with anyone
Strong doubt bro. The flips literally say third party.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:51 pm
by MacDougall
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:03 pm
Party Crasher wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:02 pm why do my other heads keep claiming smh
Vote Mac pls
If you persuade half the game to vote me we won't vote out a wolf. I don't want voting me to become the central theme. Find a mafia to vote. I don't even want you to vote me and have already said this.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:51 pm
by MacDougall
Sloonei wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:52 pm
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:31 pm Noted how Party and Sloonei are affraid to vote Mac

I don't think i buy that Sloonei don't understand Mac's claim
@MacDougall explain it again
I am not afraid. I am just uncertain about the current state of things. And I also have not seen a direct explanation of what Mac’s ability is. I have only seen it referenced indirectly.
Read Creature's flip I have the same role.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:53 pm
by MacDougall
Anyway I repeat that Guillo most likely doesn't actually have my role now that I've seen Creature did.

Or maybe he still does but it's less likely.

Bye.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D3

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:53 pm
by Golden
MacDougall wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:46 pm Oh fuck never mind. Everything I said about Guillo is wrong. Creature flipped with my other role. Guillo can die fuck it.
He still claimed and his reaction is still the same. So, tell me, where's your head currently at on that.