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Based on what do you townread her? You are very quick and easy to just townread her, and play the vig card that we have to protect her, but we really need to be wary of her if she is scum. That does not seem to concern you at all.
Sabie and Creature being wolves together keeps growing on mealexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:59 pmyeah, this is why i've been weirded out. we had a 24 hour chat and they never mentioned anything about holsteringJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pmhmmalexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pmThey said they were gonna shoot overnight though.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase
it does feel like their w/w stock rose if that is the case
Yes, I am mostly defending her because of the vig claim and because it makes less sense for me to wolf!sabie to claim vigilante as wolf vigilante and shoot suspected players like Ender and c3e5g3d5. Mostly the holster last night bothers me, but then what happened with one of the kills?Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:00 pmBased on what do you townread her? You are very quick and easy to just townread her, and play the vig card that we have to protect her, but we really need to be wary of her if she is scum. That does not seem to concern you at all.
I'm mostly relying on their self-confirmable claim.
Who coulda woulda shoulda ya replace with whom?
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Why didn't you tell me and Alexa you were going to holster? You agreed with us you shoot if we kill Mac.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Late evening too (eod @ midnight for me)Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmWhy didn't you tell me and Alexa you were going to holster? You agreed with us you shoot if we kill Mac.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Well that makes Neeko a bit more confident. Was starting to worry she stopped a Vig from killing Alexa from what Ilario was saying.
Alexa and I pushed for the Mac lynch, with only paopan as alternatieve, but i really wanted Mac dead, alexa followed, sabie followed.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
You're not gonna like it, but I think sabie doesn't enter the POE just yet. There's others ahead of her IMO
And like i said before: alexa started naming a name as first, namely Mac. So alexa and i together led the kill on MacBelzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:09 pmAlexa and I pushed for the Mac lynch, with only paopan as alternatieve, but i really wanted Mac dead, alexa followed, sabie followed.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at PaopanSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
@sabie12 is there anything untruthful in this summary?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pm If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at Paopan
yeah agreed
I confirm Alexa speaking the truth and nothing but the truth.alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pmIf that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at PaopanSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
If Sabie is Maf, what's her play here? Obvs she'd be aware that she didn't VK Pao as she told you, so why admit to holstering?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pmIf that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at PaopanSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
This is a question I am also struggling with.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:14 pm So Sabie said they would shoot Paopan if the group shot Mac, and Sabie then decided not to shoot Paopan?
Sorry, but if Paopan and Sabie are a team, why would she even say that in the first place knowing she wouldn't be shooting her teammate?
I read somewhere soup kill can only happen with one mafia left, and has to be mafia goon. So maybe soup kill cannot happen rn
If we mislynch today, I guess there's still a chance town may survive to see tomorrow. However, if you all decide to lynch the town vig then you all better find a way to resolve me because I suspect two mislynches in a row almost always results in a wolf win here.
i'm not sure, it is weird. if she's W/W with pao she could've also suggested a different target IG. i just don't get why she lied as town when she said she trusted us bothfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:15 pmIf Sabie is Maf, what's her play here? Obvs she'd be aware that she didn't VK Pao as she told you, so why admit to holstering?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pmIf that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at PaopanSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Wouldn't it have been the ultimate town cred to deepwolf by shooting Pa
This is incorrect, I think. My understanding is that the goon is only able to perform the soup kill if they are the only team member remaining. Any other team member can be designated to perform the soup kill on any night.Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:16 pmI read somewhere soup kill can only happen with one mafia left, and has to be mafia goon. So maybe soup kill cannot happen rn