The Syndicate

Yes, I die if mac dies but not vice versa
I suspected mac because he was more active in last game and in lover chat than the game, but I realized he was 3rd party in that game not a long time ago. He said DKDK me it would be funny and I agreed but i don't wanna play high stakes and DKDK mac atm, I think he was just busy yesterday with other games
I think his reads today are a bit spicy which is unscummy? However Idt i can get behind tsp because i think i had a reason in my post to townread them, Also nutella is scummy idk why shes in macs town core

Vote: nutella
Aubergine

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] has been modkilled for quoting GM communication. He flips as:

It Ain’t Easy

You are a SPIDER FROM MARS. You win when all the APOCALYPSE NAYSAYERS are dead. You are a SPIDER FROM MARS. You win when all the APOCALYPSE NAYSAYERS are dead. In fact, it’s so not easy that you don’t have any powers and have to do things the hard way. Vanilla!

He retains his wincon.

In addition, a grief stricken [mention]JiwonMeganPark[/mention] dies, and flips as:

Soul Love

You are a SPIDER FROM MARS. You win when all the APOCALYPSE NAYSAYERS are dead. On N0, pick a person to be lovers and neighbors with. If that person dies in any manner, you will also perish out of grief. You will get 24/7 chat with your lover, starting on D1.

The deadline for today remains the same, and the poll has been reset to remove Mac and Jiwon from it. With 6 now alive, it will require 4 to hammer.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

Fucking hell

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Goddamn that makes it mylo this is really unfortunate.

Assuming 8v3 that is. Idk maybe there is a 3p or something weirder going on.

I think maybe the move here is no elim and wait til we can vote jay

[VOTE: no elim] aubergine

Wait for dusk fall to say if it's Milo

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:13 am Goddamn that makes it mylo this is really unfortunate.

wait slip?

Hi we are in Mylo

I'll have to read back but currently epi is never lynch for me and Nutella is possibly lynch but I'll get back to that tomorrow no lynch today

Okay then

F o l l o w
T h e
R u l e s
G a n g

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:03 am So look at this from my perspective. I’m clearing dusk for getting a bad role, which was NAI exactly until DS flipped vanilla. We’re at like 4 civ power roles? 5? Actually could be 8 Civ w/ power against 3 vanilla. I take back this argument, but I also recall Duskfall being pretty heavily involved in setup balance debates in favor of 8-3. This would seem like an unnecessary risk to scum in that 3, they’d feel like they’d risk giving something away. I’m on my phone now and there’s a post limit and I can’t check all of these interactions, but I have a generally good feel about Dusk. I know it’s not me. So I’m not really a fan of your POE, Mac. (Don’t bother replying to this if you’re low on post, you can fit something in later)

Tony I have read this multiple times and still cannot figure out what you’re talking about

Whatever [VOTE: No kill] aubergine

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] that should be hammer

Tbh I'm considering Nutella + jjj rn as a team, not confident but it's a possibility in case I die in the night, should be considered despite pushing each other earlier. I think there's probably at least 1 scum in them??

No kill has been hammered!

No Kill (4): Jay, dusk, nutella, Tony



Get me night actions by June 15, 10am EDT, if I have everything sooner I’ll start day sooner.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

The posting cap for N2 is 23.

Duskfall may reach 83 tonight
Epi may reach 85
Jay may reach 52
LC may reach 69 (nice)
Nutella may reach 96
Tony may reach 70

Nice.

The mafia are Jay and LC.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:44 am The mafia are Jay and LC.

I am not mafia.

Still possible it's Tony. It's definitely two out of those three. I have reason to think LC though.

Look at how Jay and LC pushed for Mac. First they pushed hard for me while I was a viable miselim. Then once I claimed they both went straight for Mac despite my arguments in his favor, without any of the hesitance I had about him despite the case on him being pretty weak, and completely ignoring Jiwon as an option while I felt she was clearly looking worse. Why? Because they knew Mac would take Jiwon down with him. They could not afford to pass up the opportunity to eliminate two townies in one day and go straight into lylo (which it would have if not for the modkill). Voting for Mac was their path to victory and they didn't put in any more effort than necessary to make it look like a well thought through elimination.

I'll have to look back into Tony and how he dealt with Mac etc but I am quite confident that Jay and LC are guilty here.

I voted for Mac because I thought he was bad. I think there were four votes on Mac, why not pick someone else as "the baddie who was pushing Mac", because it's definitely not me.

Lmao yeah. Page 12 is just full of both of them completely shutting down any arguments both Tony and I came up with for Mac being town, which like were actually good points that they shoved away, and then going "But the DS interactions!"

It's really quite transparent now.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:06 am I voted for Mac because I thought he was bad. I think there were four votes on Mac, why not pick someone else as "the baddie who was pushing Mac", because it's definitely not me.

Nah. Tony was reasonable in his hesitance on Mac (I don't remember if his vote ended up there, but it's whatever, and I don't care to reassess Epi and Dusk at this time). You were not. You and Jay pushed back to make Mac being bad the dominant narrative over some very valid counterarguments from both Tony and me.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:17 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:06 am I voted for Mac because I thought he was bad. I think there were four votes on Mac, why not pick someone else as "the baddie who was pushing Mac", because it's definitely not me.

Nah. Tony was reasonable in his hesitance on Mac (I don't remember if his vote ended up there, but it's whatever, and I don't care to reassess Epi and Dusk at this time). You were not. You and Jay pushed back to make Mac being bad the dominant narrative over some very valid counterarguments from both Tony and me.

I thought my arguments were also very reasonable, but . Hindsight is 20/20, I understand why you'd jump to this conclusion, but it's wrong. I am town.

No.

I’ll say more when I get home.

Attend my concert!

Epi you haven't done squat since D1. I don't think you're a DS teammate, but you're gonna have to participate at some point or I'll have to reconsider.

Ugh what if he is though.

Yeah, I just looked through Epi's iso and I've been giving him credit over a whole load of nothing. He's been skating by for no reason. Absolutely nothing in there is deserving of a spot out of the POE.

Nevermind my concert, I forgot half of my role. Had at least half of you attended it would have automatically redirected the night kill to me, which would have been wonderful. But it doesn't work entering a Mimlo/Limlo so meh

I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 pm I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.

Yeah, I saw some of that conversation (and the events that sparked it ofc). Avoiding influencing the kill for whatever reasons, wifom or not, does make sense, with the one obvious drawback that whoever ends up killed won't get to participate in the discussion afterward. Idk I guess that's part of the point, shutting down a particular voice over others has implications and by discussing now we're creating those implications... ugh. Maybe I should in fact just shut up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 pm I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.

If you don't come out big tomorrow you're probably getting lynched

Final day isn't the time to be trying new meta

Btw can someone tell me nutellas role please

If I am alive, I will stop at nothing. I'm JaggedJimmyJay.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:39 pm Btw can someone tell me nutellas role please

I'd prefer not re-post material that caused a modkill. Summary: Mac said the role can start a neighborhood with someone after it is eliminated. nutella affirmed it as her role.

If any town has a rolecop sending role claim and clear Nutell immediately tomorrow, if not Nutella is near lock scum I think? The rolecop sender is either nutellas scum partner or town

In a world where role cop sending role can send a role pm to a player, though I am assuming it's targeted I guess, they always send to a partner unless they are attempting to fake clear their partner who has a townie role

So yeah if a role cop sender claims town then they are cleared unless Nutella is mafia imo

I don't follow. All I can say is I'm town.

[mention]nutella[/mention] do you agree the role cop sender has to be town if you are town?

I think this should probably be more clear after the night is over.

When's night deadline

Nvm found it not for ages

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:04 pm @nutella do you agree the role cop sender has to be town if you are town?

Not totally sure, but probably? Idk why a mafia would send a townie another townie to remove from the poe

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:34 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:04 pm @nutella do you agree the role cop sender has to be town if you are town?

Not totally sure, but probably? Idk why a mafia would send a townie another townie to remove from the poe

Exactly so he's just town from your perspective and you should never ever lynch?

[mention]nutella[/mention] what's your read on Tony and long con again?

Same to [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] and [mention]Epignosis[/mention] for above actually