The Syndicate

Spiders

THE Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 616
---> Web Vest - You will survive the first kill attempt against you.
-----> Hero's Resolve - You will start each Day with -2 votes.

Superior Spider-Man - Otto Octavius - Earth 616
---> Vengeance - Any player who tries to kill you will die in your place.

Spider-Man: India - Pavitr Prabhakar - Earth 50101
---> Strand Vibration - You can watch a player each night to see who targeted them.
-----> Guided Meditation - If you vote for a chopped Inheritor, you will also track your target.

Assassin Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 8351
---> Spider Sniper - You may enact one daykill.
-----> Paranoia - If you are targeted by an Inheritor, you can reload.

Spider-Man - Miles Morales - Earth 1610
---> Cloaking - You have a 50% chance to evade negative night abilities.
-----> Venom Blast - You can nullify a player's vote. (2 shots, day usage)

Ghost Spider - Gwen Stacy - Earth 65
---> Spidey-sense - You will know who has targeted you each night.
-----> Justice - When an Inheritor is chopped, you get an extra vote in the next chop.

Spider-Man Noir - Peter Parker - Earth 90214
---> Spider-sense - Learn the alignment of one target per night.
-----> Demand Truth - Once per game, you can strongarm your check, seeing through deception and bypassing roleblocks.

6-Armed Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 92100
---> Sleight of Hands - Change one player's target each night
-----> Polymelia - Twice per game, you can redirect anyone who targets you to another target.

Spider-Girl - Ashley Barton - Earth 807128
---> Web Blast - You may block the abilities of one target each night.
-----> Thwipsplosion - Once per game, you can block five targets.

Spider-Monkey - Peter Parker - Earth 8101
---> Web Connect - Each night, you may send a message to another player. That player may send a message of their own the following night.
-----> Spider Stealth - Your actions do not show up to trackers and watchers.

Cyborg Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 2818
---> Universal Backup - You may use the first ability of most dead Spiders, once each.
-----> Arachno-creation - Twice in the game, you can craft an Item and give it to the player of your choice.

Spider-Man 2099 - Miguel O'Hara - Earth 616
---> Web Watch - If a kill is blocked or protected against, you will know who the intended target was.
-----> Wireless Intercept - You will receive a copy of one of the messages sent each night.

Spider-UK - Earth 833
---> Wall-Crawl - You will track a player each night to find out who they targeted.
-----> Shield of Britain - Twice per game, you can protect another player from negative abilities.

Spider-Girl - Mayday Parker - Earth 982
---> Great Responsibility - You start with The Scion, and may pass it to another player at any time.
-----> Judge of Character - If you vote for a Spider, your vote is worth 0.5.

Spider-Ham - Peter Porker - Earth 25
---> Straight from the Snout - Each night, you will write a post that the Host will post in the thread after the night is over.
-----> Cartoon Rebound - You will survive the first nightkill attempt against you.

Silk - Cindy Moon - The Bride - Earth 616
---> Pheromone Connection - If THE Spider-Man is targeted, you will know who targeted him. If his death is janitored, you will know his identity.
-----> Web of Life and Destiny - You start the game with knowledge of The Other’s identity.

Kaine Parker - Scarlet Spider - The Other - Earth 616
---> Metamorphosis - You will self-resurrect two days after you die. You will resurrect with one daykill to use.
-----> Web of Life and Destiny - You start the game with knowledge of The Bride’s identity.

Cosmic Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 13
---> Enigma Force - You can protect and cure two players each night.

Spider-Punk - Hobie Brown - Earth 138
---> Fight the Power - You may stop one chop in the game.
-----> Hardcore - Each day you may target a player. That player may use their ability twice that night.

Manga Spider-Man - Yu Komori - Earth 2301
---> Focus on the Moment - Twice in the game, you can remove three votes from yourself during the day
-----> Extend Ch’i - Twice in the game, you can remove three votes from another player during the day

Lady Spider - May Reilly - Earth 803
---> Gaslight Beacon - Each night, you may choose a player. Any deception surrounding that player will be negated.
-----> Spider-tracker - On Night 1, you will place a tracking device on a player, and you will know who that player targets for the rest of the game.




The Inheritors of the Multiverse - This family of powerful energy vampires have control over the Web of Life and Destiny, and powerful cloning technology that can get them back in the fight mere minutes after dying. Immensely powerful, immortal, nigh unstoppable.

Each night, one Inheritor will be chosen to make the team kill. If two Inheritors give up their night abilities, then the kill can be substituted for a Soup Kill. If an Inheritor makes the kill, they cannot be chosen to make the kill again before two nights have passed.

If the Bride, the Other, and the Scion die, the Inheritors may make two kills the following night.

Karn - Lost Wolf, the other Inheritors know who you are, but you do not know them. If you are the last remaining Inheritor, you can win with the town. You can track a player each night to see who they targeted.

Brix - Seemer, each night choose a target, that player will deceive info roles. Choose your role reveal upon death. You will know when you are targeted, and what false information was given.

Bora - Janitor kill, you receive the role. Each night choose a target, that player’s role will deceive them if possible

Morlun - Your vote value is equal to half the Day phase number. You receive a -1 modifier each time THE Spider-Man ends the Day with a vote on you.

Verna - Poison a player each night. The nature of this poison is that the player shall receive cumulative votes at the start of each day until healed.

Daemos - Two kills. Each night, you may send a message to another player. That player may send a message of their own the following night.

Jennix - Watcher kill - you will know who targeted your kill target, successful or not. Nullify a target’s abilities each night, rendering them vanilla.

Solus - Strongman kill, will bypass any and all protections. If you vote for an Inheritor, your vote is worth 0.5.

The Weaver of the Web of Life and Destiny

Secret Role

in cuz i promised u <3

When is this meant to start?

Hell yeah baby spider verse thwip thwip

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:08 pm When is this meant to start?

When it fills up. I think I might need some of the extroverted popular folk to spread the word among our allied forums.

sub for now

I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

for the new faces in the crowd, long con games are always an adventure and an experience.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

I think that makes sense, yeah

I promised LC.

yup yup

I'm always in to enjoy adventures. Sounds like a crazy game, and that's what got me into mafia.

Hope it fills

Don’t think I’ve ever played a long con original.
Put me in coach

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:34 am for the new faces in the crowd, long con games are always an adventure and an experience.

You forgot to say in

And I am in

you had me at long con

this will be my first ever game, please go easy on me

What is a soup kill?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:09 pm What is a soup kill?

The evil team can submit an list, matching players to roles. Starting from the top, if they matched correctly, the player dies, and they move on to the next player in the list. And so on.

It's designed to discourage role-claiming and solving the game mechanically.

i plan on protecting myself from soup kill by not opening my role pm until LYLO

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:58 pm i plan on protecting myself from soup kill by not opening my role pm until LYLO

Have you ever not opened your role pm, or is that just a thing you say?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:58 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:58 pm i plan on protecting myself from soup kill by not opening my role pm until LYLO

Have you ever not opened your role pm, or is that just a thing you say?

it's a legitimate strategy i've considered several times but i've never had the self control to pull it off

it's also a Bad Strategy

@Long Con what time of day will your EOD/SOD be?

i’ll sub for now

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

You make a valid point. A town auto-win is probably worse than a mafia "we figured it all out"... BUT the town could mass-claim on the Day after the last mafia dies, and a single-member Soup Kill wouldn't change it, right?

I guess it's too late to add a fakeclaim?

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:36 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

You make a valid point. A town auto-win is probably worse than a mafia "we figured it all out"... BUT the town could mass-claim on the Day after the last mafia dies, and a single-member Soup Kill wouldn't change it, right?

I guess it's too late to add a fakeclaim?

It actually would change it, mafia can CC one of the claims and then it’s a 50/50, if they win the CC they soup kill and win if they lose it town wins.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:36 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

You make a valid point. A town auto-win is probably worse than a mafia "we figured it all out"... BUT the town could mass-claim on the Day after the last mafia dies, and a single-member Soup Kill wouldn't change it, right?

I guess it's too late to add a fakeclaim?

yeah i’m not really sure how to fix it so that town couldn’t autowin aside from creating an extra town role and then randing all but one town role which would be left for mafia to use as a fake claim

that’s the only thing i could think of but idk, game design isn’t my forte so i’m not really sure what would be good

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:45 am

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:36 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

You make a valid point. A town auto-win is probably worse than a mafia "we figured it all out"... BUT the town could mass-claim on the Day after the last mafia dies, and a single-member Soup Kill wouldn't change it, right?

I guess it's too late to add a fakeclaim?

It actually would change it, mafia can CC one of the claims and then it’s a 50/50, if they win the CC they soup kill and win if they lose it town wins.

oh this is true

so maybe the solution is to have the soup kill be allowed for one mafia member if they’re the last one left

but i also feel making the last mafia have to win a 50/50 claim battle in order to have a shot is a kind of asking a lot

but i guess maybe not, since if they did it could be an auto win so long as everyone had claimed

but let’s say there’s like four town and one wolf left and they decide to force just the wolf and one villager to claim because those are the people in immediate consideration

then the wolf has to claim a role still and even if they survive the day by cc’ing the villager, they can’t win unless they get lucky guessing with the soup kill because nobody else has claimed

so idk, i think that can still lead to less than ideal scenarios, but maybe i’m not thinking about it right

A 50/50 at 4v1 or whatever is pretty good for mafia yeah?

But yeah the rest of your point is valid, and it’s a difficult problem to fix without dramatically altering the game

I could just add a Secret Role, and use it to replace a town role that exists. I could keep the same power set, and no one would know which role I replaced - which role became a fakeclaim. Is this the booze talking?

Wait, the holder of the Secret Role would know who the fakeclaim is by which powerset they have.

Is this outcome (one mafia in F5-ish) inevitable? Extremely likely? Moderately possible?

How much of an issue is this expected to be?

How about this: when there's one Inheritor left, the Soup kill goes away, and the last Inheritor immediately gets to know each living player's role. This allows them to confidently plan a deft and crafty fakeclaim based on the thread-state and remaining players.

this game still feels weird to me as it’s currently constructed

is it just gonna be like

- person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

how are the wolves supposed to mislim anyone then? it seems like they just can’t if every villager who is on the block has a claim to clear them

am i missing something? not trying to be a stick in the mud here, sorry

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:30 am this game still feels weird to me as it’s currently constructed

is it just gonna be like

- person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

how are the wolves supposed to mislim anyone then? it seems like they just can’t if every villager who is on the block has a claim to clear them

am i missing something? not trying to be a stick in the mud here, sorry

i guess if this happens enough times in a day wolves can soup kill all the claims after one of them gets eliminated

but then it’s like mafia are forced to trade one member a day for however many claims they can squeeze out, and unless town’s reads are utterly terrible wolves just lose always because there’s only so many trades they can make before they’re out of members

if i’m wildly off base here please smack me

i usually don’t like no claim rules but i feel like in this game where every villager has a role and the role list is public you almost have to prohibit claiming or else it seems kind of unplayable?

even a soup kill doesn’t really feel sufficient if town are smart about who they have claim and have moderately good reads

but again, i don’t want to make a fuss or intrude here, it’s obviously up to you lc since you’re the host

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:30 am - person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

Doesn't this process just rack up the town claims for an easy soup kill? How many town end up claiming during each lynch before one single baddie gets caught in a claim battle? 5? 6?

Not to mention, this sounds like a super-shitty way to play, and I really don't see everyone agreeing to play that way. Every single game I have ever run has been open-setup, and they have never involved a soup kill, and I don't think they have ever devolved into anything resembling that.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:18 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:30 am - person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

Doesn't this process just rack up the town claims for an easy soup kill? How many town end up claiming during each lynch before one single baddie gets caught in a claim battle? 5? 6?

Not to mention, this sounds like a super-shitty way to play, and I really don't see everyone agreeing to play that way. Every single game I have ever run has been open-setup, and they have never involved a soup kill, and I don't think they have ever devolved into anything resembling that.

i think probably 1-3 claims max in a day unless town’s reads are truly truly terrible, and it would go down as the game goes on so ultimately i doubt it would be enough in the end for wolves to win by soup kill

and okay, it’s totally up to you if you don’t think it will be a problem

so you're saying if town isn't bad they have an advantage

I do agree it's interesting to see all the roles revealed like this. When i play it's almost always hidden from the players completely.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:32 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:58 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:58 pm i plan on protecting myself from soup kill by not opening my role pm until LYLO

Have you ever not opened your role pm, or is that just a thing you say?

it's a legitimate strategy i've considered several times but i've never had the self control to pull it off

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:33 am it's also a Bad Strategy

its also cheating and you shouldnt do it. its not a "legitimate" strategy

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:18 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:30 am - person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

Doesn't this process just rack up the town claims for an easy soup kill? How many town end up claiming during each lynch before one single baddie gets caught in a claim battle? 5? 6?

Not to mention, this sounds like a super-shitty way to play, and I really don't see everyone agreeing to play that way. Every single game I have ever run has been open-setup, and they have never involved a soup kill, and I don't think they have ever devolved into anything resembling that.

it would depend on how good town is. i see roughly 3 town for 1 mafia, so chances are 3 town claims for 1 mafia yeeted if town just yeets randomly

i dont think its a shitty way to play, claiming your role when you're put on the chopping block and then if no cc town moving on to someone else. its the optimal way to play and unless someone is being obtuse and selfish and "i WaNnA hAvE fUn In My OwN wAy" they wouldn't lower their team's chances to win and they would follow the optimal plan to win the game.

all that said since your soup kill is potentially unlimited i see no problems with it. they can also just guess they dont need claims

it is better to have a soup kill in the way you implemented it than to have the subjective "pls dont claim" rule which is bound to have ppl debating whether or not someone broke that one

moving to sub

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:01 ammoving to sub

what why, I thought you promised me

i promised you but i don't know if i will have the time :P

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:31 pm @Long Con what time of day will your EOD/SOD be?

Evening. 9pm EST ish?

Also, the Inheritors have a Janitor kill available in order to line up some uncounterable claims for themselves.

And Brix is a Seemer, so she can actually appear as a fake role when she dies.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:36 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:32 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:58 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:58 pm i plan on protecting myself from soup kill by not opening my role pm until LYLO

Have you ever not opened your role pm, or is that just a thing you say?

it's a legitimate strategy i've considered several times but i've never had the self control to pull it off

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:33 am it's also a Bad Strategy

its also cheating and you shouldnt do it. its not a "legitimate" strategy

wow it would be crazy if that was really true lol. can you even imagine. thanks for your input

how crazy would it be if mafia had standardized rules