Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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A friend of mine tells me that all Aussies are more or less a cross between Midnight Oil & Mad Max, and I thought I'd go straight to the source & find out if he's right or not
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:41 ampresumably he's referring to either finding everyone else specifically towny or, more likely in my opinion, finding your lack of presence scummyfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:28 amI hadn't even posted yet
By instinct, do you mean random number generator?
It was the 2nd page, it's way to early to be forming reads based on thread presence, or clearing anybody.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:16 amI mean you're not wrong on those two being meta reads.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:48 am By typical NAA bullshit I assume you mean the naked voting. Why is NAA on his typical NAA bullshit as town and not scum? He intentionally 0 posted the entire D1 of BTAS as wolf, so he definitely does weird shit as mafia too.
Why is "pointing out a single post and outing a read based on it" a thing Mac does as scum when it's one of the most common behaviors by any player in any game?
You're pulling on a lot of meta arguments here but none of them make any sense which makes me think you are mafia trying to replicate your town game of using meta to read people. The "I can read Mac after 5 posts" stuff in particular felt particularly performative (which you have admitted it was in #89) and looked more like a shallow attempt at replicating your usual meta shields on people except without the substance to back it up. Not a fan of you walking it back when pressed about it either, when town LC is stubborn about his meta reads.
NAA did 0 post as mafia D1, but he also nearly 0 posted in Team Fortress Mafia...so that measurement is off the table.
His naked voting can go either way, I felt like him saying he was voting Mac first before naked voting Fext was on brand with something he'd just do as town as a sort of "I could care less about what everyone is thinking about what I'm doing" way at the time.
Mac as I said was towny stuff for him scumreading me early because of him not wanting me to fool him again in a small game, and could see him doing what he's doing to pressure me and see what I'm going to do in response.
However it popped into my mind when I read your post for some reason that when Alexa was under the Blaze account she did her giant meta-case on Mac and talked about one of the things he does as scum is quote a few random posts, slap a read on them, 1 post at a time, vote someone, and then disappear.
So that made me walk back my townread on Mac.
In terms of the stuff talking to Seanzie...that's again me deciding to become arrogant and double down on someone doubting my read ability, and since it's Mac I figured I can make reading him look easy.
Yes I know Mac had 2 insane scum games that he won just recently, he can still get lazy and decide to fuck around and open wolf, especially since fatigue from too many wolf rands can be a thing and it could lead to polarizing by circumstance.
Which I already stated I walked it back.
You seem like... really really worried about a little early D1 sus...Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:25 am @Alison
Continuing on...
I'm not stating that I'm scumreading Mac, I'm basically putting him back to null to see what he does the rest of the day phase.
I'm flat out just taking the approach that I'm going to post my reads in the game, speak my mind on my reads, and attempt to get 100% accuracy.
I get that I said this in my scum game about Esooa specifically talking about "I know how to read her" but that's still a true statement that I'm working towards 100% accuracy.
I've also stated this about SPF because I read her mafia game on MU, and figured that I can gain a God Read on her...and technically I caught SPF during Coffia on Day 1 and had a mega case stating why she was mafia...however ended up faltering because of 1. Her responses and anger felt like town!SPF and I felt awful about the push and 2. Literally the only 2 people that interacted with the scum case or even mentioned the thing were Alexa, who was mafia, and Illario, who didn't get influenced by it but I understood why given his past with SPF in games.
Besides now, I'm not going to try to bother with defending myself and I'm going to look to gain the correct reads for this game. If I get yeeted I'm just going to state my reads and go into dead chat looking for how accurate I was. Attempting to remove salt and just play the game.
Why do you want Fext to get Rekt (FEKT!)?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:19 am[VOTE: Fekt] aubergineFext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 amIt's a matter of how people think, reallyAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 amThis is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.Fext wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:59 pmwell it wasn't that he wouldn't say anythingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:55 pmNow tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?
it was a matter of what he chose to say
ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do
had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town
If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.
Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.
Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.
Their posts use a whole lotta words to say a whole lotta nuffin'Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:20 pmWhy do you want Fext to get Rekt (FEKT!)?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:19 am[VOTE: Fekt] aubergineFext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 amIt's a matter of how people think, reallyAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 amThis is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.Fext wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:59 pmwell it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything
it was a matter of what he chose to say
ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do
had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town
If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.
Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.
Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
Unfortunately IME they do that as town too...falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:47 pmTheir posts use a whole lotta words to say a whole lotta nuffin'Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:20 pmWhy do you want Fext to get Rekt (FEKT!)?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:19 am[VOTE: Fekt] aubergineFext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 amIt's a matter of how people think, reallyAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 amThis is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.Fext wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:59 pmwell it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything
it was a matter of what he chose to say
ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do
had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town
If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.
Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.
Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
In your experience, what do they do as scum?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:48 pmUnfortunately IME they do that as town too...falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:47 pmTheir posts use a whole lotta words to say a whole lotta nuffin'Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:20 pmWhy do you want Fext to get Rekt (FEKT!)?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:19 am[VOTE: Fekt] aubergineFext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 amIt's a matter of how people think, reallyAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 amThis is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.Fext wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:59 pm
well it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything
it was a matter of what he chose to say
ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do
had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town
If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.
Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.
Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
404 error.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 pmIn your experience, what do they do as scum?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:48 pmUnfortunately IME they do that as town too...falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:47 pmTheir posts use a whole lotta words to say a whole lotta nuffin'Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:20 pmWhy do you want Fext to get Rekt (FEKT!)?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:19 am[VOTE: Fekt] aubergineFext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 amIt's a matter of how people think, reallyAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 am
This is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.
If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.
Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.
Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
I did a quick check of Fext's last town game and they seem different here.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:52 pm404 error.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 pmIn your experience, what do they do as scum?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:48 pmUnfortunately IME they do that as town too...falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:47 pmTheir posts use a whole lotta words to say a whole lotta nuffin'Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:20 pmWhy do you want Fext to get Rekt (FEKT!)?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:19 am[VOTE: Fekt] aubergineFext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 am
It's a matter of how people think, really
If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.
Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.
Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
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Which game is that? Different how?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:56 pmI did a quick check of Fext's last town game and they seem different here.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:52 pm404 error.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 pmIn your experience, what do they do as scum?
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The one on the Zelda forum.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:58 pmWhich game is that? Different how?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:56 pmI did a quick check of Fext's last town game and they seem different here.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:52 pm404 error.
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Yes, I was. I haven't noticed a difference in Fext yet. He had a more recent game on MafC though. The one you're looking at is his first game ever if I'm not mistaken.
So you two are scum buddies? got it.
You're a large part of the problem since you've done nothing to move the gamestate forward.
Uncivil games can be fun sometimes. This game, on the other hand, feels to have progressed so slowly.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:41 pmYeah, the game has actually been very civil, so this seems weird to me... Though, it also seems genuine to me, so that's also weird.
Lime CokeCreature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:03 pmUncivil games can be fun sometimes. This game, on the other hand, feels to have progressed so slowly.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:41 pmYeah, the game has actually been very civil, so this seems weird to me... Though, it also seems genuine to me, so that's also weird.
Also who tf had falcon and me as wolves because they townread everybody else? Feels so weird to have that many townreads atp.
I mean in terms of standard stuff I've played the game irl a few times and I've played a lot of Town of Salem
Now feller, your really showing an uncouth attitude constantly ignoring me here.Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:03 pmUncivil games can be fun sometimes. This game, on the other hand, feels to have progressed so slowly.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:41 pmYeah, the game has actually been very civil, so this seems weird to me... Though, it also seems genuine to me, so that's also weird.
Also who tf had falcon and me as wolves because they townread everybody else? Feels so weird to have that many townreads atp.
Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top
NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke
DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison
although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player
also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps