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Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [ENDGAME]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:39 pm
by thellama73
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This will be a somewhat unusual, conceptual game of three teams lasting six days and six nights.

The teams start with no BTSC, but gradually gain it as the days progress. When a killer dies, the power does not pass to other team members.

Roles:
Gals - Only surviving members win
Cindy Tells Me - Can send an anonymous PM to one player each Night
Baby ’s On Fire - Kills Nightly
Judy’s Jungle - Role block
Julie With... - Protect
The Fat Lady of Limbourg - Gains BTSC with one teammate daily
Miss Shapiro - Can control one player’s vote


Fellas - Kill as many animals as you can - Team wins if has more surviving members than animals

St. Elmo’s Fire - Splits Ions in the Ether
Kurt’s Rejoinder - Retaliates against any night actions used against him.
Blank Frank - Kills nightly
The Great Pretender - A Seemer role
Third Uncle - Gains BTSC with one teammate daily
Energy Fools the Magician - Insanifier


Animals - Maintain an even balance between gals and fellas - Survival not necessary

Spider and I - Gains BTSC with one teammate daily
Sombre Reptiles - Add a lynch vote
Little Fishes - Subtract a lynch vote
The Camel - Sticks needles in your eye, making you vote blindly (randomly)
Mother Whale Eyeless - Team checks. Immune to the camel
An Arc of Doves - Protect

Locations:
Over Fire Island
In Dark Trees
By This River
Tiger Mountain
China My China
On Some Faraway Beach

Secret Hidden Location

Player List
1. insertnamehere - Killed Night 4 by Baby's On Fire after dying of natural causes
2. Boogs fingersplints - Killed Night 4 by Blank Frank
3. MovingPictures07 - Sombre Reptiles - Lynched Day 1
4. Dominus
5. Black Rock
6. sabie12
7. Metalmarsh89 - Killed Night 3 by Baby's On Fire
8. S~V~S - The Camel - Lynched Day 2
9. Ninja Blooper
10. Mongoose
11. A Person - Spider and I - Lynched Day 4
12. Vompatti - Baby's On Fire - Lynched Day 5
13. Roxy - Mother Whale Eyeless - Lynched Day 3
14. Bass Something Something Clever
15. DFaraday
16. Snow Dog
17. Juliets
18. triceratopzeuhl

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:43 pm
by thellama73
Rules:
1. No role outing (team claiming is okay).
2. No unauthorized BTSC.
3. No editing or deleting of posts.
4. No being excessively mean to each or or especially to me (Be mean to Epignosis all you want. It's what he's for.)
5. No double targeting.
6. No saying Eno is a hack.
7. No on topic posts from dead people.
8. No lack of having fun.

Remeber, the game will last until the end of Night 6 and that's it, so time your win condition accordingly.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:44 pm
by thellama73

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:52 pm
by thellama73
Day 0
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"How did we get here?"

The group of eighteen people found themselves on a mist-shrouded plain, bereft of recognizable features. The memory of how they got there was even hazier than the atmosphere, are there was a distinct sense among some that they might be dreaming.

But dream or no, they could not just stand around aimlessly forever. Looking down, one of them notcied a six pointed compass etched into the floor, with each point labeled by a colorful, if enigmatic location name.

"Which way should we go?"

You have 24 hours to make decision.
Votes are changeable on night polls, but not in lynch votes.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:52 pm
by thellama73
All roles have gone out. If you did not receive a role, let me know.
You may now post.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:07 pm
by juliets
@llama does anyone have any knowledge outside of thread knowledge on this poll?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:22 pm
by insertnamehere
Yessss, game!

So, from looking at the roles, it looks like there is a way for everyone to win.

What about this: We only lynch Animals. This would require that the Animals reveal their team. Blank Frank and Baby's on Fire refuse to use their NK. Then, after 6 days and nights, we are left with
6 Gals, who all instantly win, 6 Fellas, who all instantly win, and 6 dead Animals, who (due to the fact that members of their team can win while dead) instantly win also.

It's a win-win-win.

Who's with me? : :omg:

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:23 pm
by thellama73
juliets wrote:@llama does anyone have any knowledge outside of thread knowledge on this poll?
Not yet. :feb:

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:24 pm
by insertnamehere
@Llama Can Blank Frank and Baby's on Fire choose not to use their NK?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:25 pm
by thellama73
insertnamehere wrote:@Llama Can Blank Frank and Baby's on Fire choose not to use their NK?
Yes, anyone can choose not to use their night power.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:30 pm
by insertnamehere
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Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:30 pm
by Black Rock
insertnamehere wrote:Yessss, game!

So, from looking at the roles, it looks like there is a way for everyone to win.

What about this: We only lynch Animals. This would require that the Animals reveal their team. Blank Frank and Baby's on Fire refuse to use their NK. Then, after 6 days and nights, we are left with
6 Gals, who all instantly win, 6 Fellas, who all instantly win, and 6 dead Animals, who (due to the fact that members of their team can win while dead) instantly win also.

It's a win-win-win.

Who's with me? : :omg:
If it were only that easy, some how I doubt that will happen.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:34 pm
by Snow Dog
thellama73 wrote:Rules:


6. No saying Eno is a hack.
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:derp:

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:36 pm
by Tangrowth
Yay game!!

INH, that's a really interesting idea! Like BR said though, not sure whether everyone could agree to that.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:36 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
hi

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:38 pm
by Tangrowth
Hello, Trice! So glad to be playing alongside you after so long. :)

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:38 pm
by Snow Dog
I'm Taking Tiger Mountain....by any means.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:38 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
Likewise :)

Where to go...

Over Fire Island - sounds hot and dangerous

In Dark Trees - I didn't bring my flashlight

By This River - sounds safe enough

Tiger Mountain - tigers are not friendly animals

China My China - I don't speak chinese and that sounds awfully far to walk

On Some Faraway Beach - as above, sounds like a long haul to get there

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:39 pm
by Vompatti
o hai

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:40 pm
by Snow Dog
Ok I'm on boRED with .....................

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:41 pm
by Tangrowth
I'll probably be analyzing the poll based on which song I like the most. Tough call, since they're all awesome...

But I'll go with Over Fire Island.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:41 pm
by S~V~S
INH, that could certainly work, especially since team claiming is OK, but then we would have to believe claims, and everyone would have to agree to do it.

I am inclined to pick Fire Island, i am about 5 miles away from it. It's pretty in the winter, when it isn't swarming with greasy, shiny people sporting tans. I don't know about the Eno-related aspects of the choices.

Does "hack" = pretentious poseur?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:41 pm
by Snow Dog
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Likewise :)

Where to go...

Over Fire Island - sounds hot and dangerous

In Dark Trees - I didn't bring my flashlight

By This River - sounds safe enough

Tiger Mountain - tigers are not friendly animals

China My China - I don't speak chinese and that sounds awfully far to walk

On Some Faraway Beach - as above, sounds like a long haul to get there
Tigers are neither friendly or unfriendly. :ponder:

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:43 pm
by Snow Dog
S~V~S wrote:
Does "hack" = pretentious poseur?
Not really. But we can add that too. :)

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:44 pm
by S~V~S
So we are allowed to say that?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:46 pm
by Snow Dog
S~V~S wrote:So we are allowed to say that?
I read the rules and there's nothing against it. So pretentious poser is ok, but pretentious hack poser.....is not! :(

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:47 pm
by Tangrowth
Brian Eno is one of my favorite musicians of all time. :noble:

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:51 pm
by Snow Dog
MovingPictures07 wrote:Brian Eno is one of my favorite musicians of all time. :noble:
We all have crosses to bear. :p

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:53 pm
by Tangrowth
The more I think about it, the more I believe it would be absolutely awesome if we could accomplish INH's plan.

I'm curious if anyone has any problems with it, but otherwise I think it would be best for at least one person to claim Animal so that we can lynch that person tomorrow.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:57 pm
by Snow Dog
MovingPictures07 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I believe it would be absolutely awesome if we could accomplish INH's plan.

I'm curious if anyone has any problems with it, but otherwise I think it would be best for at least one person to claim Animal so that we can lynch that person tomorrow.
I totally agree. I am not animal.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:59 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
Snow Dog wrote:
Tigers are neither friendly or unfriendly. :ponder:
It's technically not unfriendly for them to eat us, no, you are correct. I still would rather not try my luck as food

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:01 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
Also, problem with the plan is that if even 1 non-animal accidentally dies (whether via lynch, nk, host event deedly, etc) then the animals can't win. Might make them reluctant to cooperate and out themselves.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:02 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
(sorry triple post) I shouldn't say "can't win," but aren't guaranteed to win

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:03 pm
by Epignosis
Hello. I am your mod. If you get mad, talk to me first. If you want to talk bad about Eno, well, that's too bad, because it's against the rules, and I do not condone breaking rules. Fortunately, I'm not playing, so

I bet Eno never even got through the first grade with a name like his.
Ambient means "I am too lazy to properly learn an instrument. Here, listen to me holding down an E-flat note while adding effects."
The studio is no more an instrument than a kitchen is.
Is Brian Eno even progressive rock? Shouldn't he be in Prog Related?
I bet Eno isn't even a Libertarian.

Have fun everyone, but I seriously doubt you will.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:03 pm
by Tangrowth
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Also, problem with the plan is that if even 1 non-animal accidentally dies (whether via lynch, nk, host event deedly, etc) then the animals can't win. Might make them reluctant to cooperate and out themselves.
Well, that's true, but the only one of those that is completely out of our collective control is a host event.

Other than that, as long as everyone agrees to it, it should be possible. And as long as no one wants to win at the exclusion of others, then I don't see why it would be against someone's self-interest to agree, even if they're an Animal.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:04 pm
by Tangrowth
Plus, as Eno is a self-proclaimed "non-musician", successfully implementing INH's plan so that every player can win seems like the perfect way to honor that sentiment in this game. :noble:

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:07 pm
by S~V~S
If we could make it work, I would be OK with it. But the killers would have to not kill, and we have no way of knowing that will happen until they ... don't kill. The vote manipulators should not use their powers either.

It seems almost TOO easy, but looking over the win cons, I don't see any reason it would not work; even down to team outing being specifically OKed by the host. Although it will be harder once teams start getting BTSC, and Trice makes a good point. Plus I just have an ingrained bias against outing, even if it is allowed :noble:

But a plan that allows everyone to win is an attractive one.

I am going to vote for Fire Island.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:09 pm
by Snow Dog
Epignosis wrote:Hello. I am your mod. If you get mad, talk to me first. If you want to talk bad about Eno, well, that's too bad, because it's against the rules, and I do not condone breaking rules. Fortunately, I'm not playing, so

I bet Eno never even got through the first grade with a name like his.
Ambient means "I am too lazy to properly learn an instrument. Here, listen to me holding down an E-flat note while adding effects."
The studio is no more an instrument than a kitchen is.
Is Brian Eno even progressive rock? Shouldn't he be in Prog Related?
I bet Eno isn't even a Libertarian.

Have fun everyone, but I seriously doubt you will.
:haha:

Ok. No more Eno bashing. :|



Don't want to be modkilled and Another Green World is a great album.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:10 pm
by Epignosis
MovingPictures07 wrote:Plus, as Eno is a self-proclaimed "non-musician"
I'm a non-airplane pilot.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:10 pm
by Tangrowth
S~V~S wrote:If we could make it work, I would be OK with it. But the killers would have to not kill, and we have no way of knowing that will happen until they ... don't kill. The vote manipulators should not use their powers either.

It seems almost TOO easy, but looking over the win cons, I don't see any reason it would not work; even down to team outing being specifically OKed by the host. Although it will be harder once teams start getting BTSC, and Trice makes a good point. Plus I just have an ingrained bias against outing, even if it is allowed :noble:

But a plan that allows everyone to win is an attractive one.

I am going to vote for Fire Island.
This is true, but whether they kill or not is uncontrollable, and one would think their chances of killing are MUCH less if the entire thread is in agreement on a plan for everyone to win that seems pretty possible. What motivation would there be to kill? Unless, like I said, one team wants to win at the exclusion of others, but that seems completely unnecessary.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:11 pm
by Tangrowth
I think, as long as everyone is OK with it, we try the plan, and only one Animal can then come forth and offer to be lynched.

What is there to lose, really?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:12 pm
by Snow Dog
MovingPictures07 wrote:I think, as long as everyone is OK with it, we try the plan, and only one Animal can then come forth and offer to be lynched.

What is there to lose, really?
I'm with it.





Man!

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:12 pm
by Tangrowth
You know, just to show how committed I am to this and how I really think it's the best option for everyone:

I am an Animal.

Feel free to lynch me on Day 1.

That way no one else has to team claim and we can see how this plan is going to play out. I'm willing to sacrifice my life in order to pursue this.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:13 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
a non-mafia game for a non-musician Image

That would be oddly satisfying, and likely a very unique game. Truthfully, we can always abandon that strategy if an unexpected kill throws the plan off, so it hurts nothing to start off trying this out. Well, maybe it hurts whichever animals have offered themselves up for sacrifice to that point.

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(also I like Eno and consider him a musician)

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:14 pm
by Snow Dog
MovingPictures07 wrote:You know, just to show how committed I am to this and how I really think it's the best option for everyone:

I am an Animal.

Feel free to lynch me on Day 1.

That way no one else has to team claim and we can see how this plan is going to play out. I'm willing to sacrifice my life in order to pursue this.
Well done Alex. No point agreeing with a plan then hiding. Kudos to you!

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:14 pm
by Tangrowth
triceratopzeuhl wrote:a non-mafia game for a non-musician Image

That would be oddly satisfying, and likely a very unique game. Truthfully, we can always abandon that strategy if an unexpected kill throws the plan off, so it hurts nothing to start off trying this out. Well, maybe it hurts whichever animals have offered themselves up for sacrifice to that point.

(also I like Eno and consider him a musician)
Agreed entirely.

Now that I've team claimed truthfully, no other Animals need to needlessly put their lives on the line until Day 2, at the very least. But even still, I just don't see how anyone would oppose this.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:15 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
A moste noble socke thou art.

No lynch yet though, so, where are we going?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:16 pm
by Snow Dog
Doen't matter what i think about Eno. Simple fact is Roxy Music with Eno is far better than Roxy Music without him.

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:17 pm
by Tangrowth
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:You know, just to show how committed I am to this and how I really think it's the best option for everyone:

I am an Animal.

Feel free to lynch me on Day 1.

That way no one else has to team claim and we can see how this plan is going to play out. I'm willing to sacrifice my life in order to pursue this.
Well done Alex. No point agreeing with a plan then hiding. Kudos to you!
It was difficult because I LOVE ENO and I REALLY want to play this game, but after discussing it and seeing others so far appear in agreement, I'm absolutely willing to do what it takes so that we can all enjoy a win here, and I'm happy with this.

I was going to wait a bit longer to make sure the plan had no holes and that everyone was OK with it, but then I realized there really isn't a point and that the only possible hole is something totally beyond our control (host event possibility). Only other way it could not work is sabotage. Thus, it actually made more sense for me to sacrifice my life for the cause right off the bat, so that all the Animals didn't team claim so early on, just in case someone decides to go against the plan.

As Trice said, I also believe, in addition to winning, it would be oddly satisfying to pull this off.

Pacifist mafia game ftw?

Re: Oblique Strategies - an Eno Mafia [DAY 0]

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:18 pm
by triceratopzeuhl
Pacifist mafia game would be a nice change from me antagonizing everybody like a paranoid schizophrenic.

Anyway, you can always lurk around with us as ghost/zombie sockface

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