The Syndicate

L – The world’s most renowned detective, L is incredibly intelligent, logical, and diligent. Consequently, he suffers extreme insomnia, determined to catch Kira. Every night, L searches an individual to determine whether they are Kira. He subsequently comes up with a percentage as to their likelihood of being the murderer. No one knows his true identity other than Watari. L works closely with Watari on his detective work; consequently, he may send one message to his right-hand man at the end of each day period. At the end of every night, L gains anonymous BTSC with any player of his choice for the subsequent day/night cycle, in an attempt to discern whether that player is Kira. At the beginning of each night period, L is provided the mathematical percentage of the likelihood of that player being Kira; however, he may adjust this percentage to truly reflect the real likelihood of that player being Kira. This percentage, as well as L's thoughts about the player he has interrogated, are made public upon completion of anonymous BTSC. L may choose the same player more than once for anonymous BTSC. Because of his anonymous existence, he cannot be night killed by Kira unless Kira first knows his role. If L ever tries to gain anonymous BTSC with Mello, Near, or a shinigami who has not yet been revealed, his power fails and he gains BTSC with no one, but he is not made aware why. If he has BTSC with no one, he may still write a report on any player he wishes. Due to his astute powers of deduction, L is made aware any time a Death Note changes hands from one killer to another. Whenever Misa and Light communicate via message, L intercepts all of their messages.

Watari – L’s right-hand man and guardian. Knows L’s true identity and helps him run the logistics of his operation. Watari works closely with L on his detective work; consequently, he may send one message to L at the end of each night period. Serving as a father-like figure to L, Watari is very protective of him. If L is ever about to be lynched, Watari dies in his place. If Watari is lynched, his death will be followed by another day; if he is night killed, there will subsequently be two days in a row.

Soichiro Yagami – The Chief of the NPA and father of Light Yagami, Soichiro’s perseverance in catching Kira is nearly unmatched, but, like many others, he is blinded by the manipulative skills of his son. However, his strong sense of justice and duty inspire other officers below him, particularly Matsuda. He is the figurehead of the Japanese Task Force. If any Japanese Task Force member votes for him, their vote is secretly worth 0. Any day period that Soichiro votes for a Kira or a Kira Sympathizer, Matsuda’s vote is worth 2 instead of 1. On two separate nights, Chief Soichiro can inspire the other members of the Japanese Task Force, making all their votes worth 2 the subsequent day. If L dies and any of the shinigami has been revealed, Soichiro may decide to make the Shinigami Eye Deal. If he does so, Soichiro can send in the names of five players every night that he intends to role check. He then receives what five roles supposedly correspond to those players. Because he sees so many names and faces, he has trouble keeping track of whose identity is which, and thus does not know which identity matches to which player. In addition, one of the five identities will be false completely, due to memory failure. Because the Eye Deal cuts his lifespan, all votes against Soichiro in lynches will be doubled for the remainder of the game.

Shuichi Aizawa – Takes his job very seriously and can be rather opinionated, and thus clashes at times with Matsuda and Misa Amane. He has some respect for L, but seems to hold him in contempt. At some point, the tensions may become too high for Aizawa, and he may choose to leave the Japanese Task Force. On two separate occasions, he may start an argument with either Matsuda or Misa, role blocking one of them. Aizawa cannot control which player is blocked, however. If L ever votes for Aizawa in a lynch or vice versa, Aizawa leaves the Japanese Task Force, and gains BTSC with Hideki Ide.

Hideki Ide – Characterized by a fiery temper and a hatred for foolishness, Ide especially does not get along with L, and refuses to abide by his methods. If he ever votes for L to be lynched, his vote that day is worth 5. Gains BTSC with Shuichi Aizawa if Aizawa quits the Japanese Task Force. Due to his short fuse, Ide role blocks a player of his choice every night.

Kanzo Mogi – One of the most dedicated members of the Japanese Task Force, but also one of the most reserved. At any time, Mogi can decide to stop talking. Any time he stops talking for at least 48 hours, he will gain a role check that performs with 50% accuracy (with a 50% chance of instead receiving a randomly redirected result). Assuming he survives at least one cycle after the reveal of his role secrets, he gains an additional role check that performs with 50% accuracy at the end of each subsequent day he is still alive, but is not made aware why. If he dies and L is still alive, a new detective must take over his duties of silence and intelligence gathering. He appoints this player at the time of his death. If, at any time, this player both foregoes their normal role power and stops talking for 48 hours, that player will gain a role check that performs with 50% accuracy.

Touta Matsuda – Enthusiastic but inexperienced, Matsuda means well but often proves a hindrance to his fellow investigators, particularly L. Although he is not convinced that Kira’s killing of criminals is necessarily a bad thing, Matsuda nonetheless remains absolutely dedicated to the Japanese Task Force. His recklessness sometimes pays off, but other times it can get him into trouble. Every night, Matsuda can decide whether to take a risk or play it safe. Additionally, if Higuchi starts killing, Matsuda can instead decide to attempt to spy on Yotsuba. If he does so, he may be able to discover the true identity of the Third Kira, but regardless of his success he may also get caught in the process. If he takes a risk, his vote the subsequent day can be worth 2x, 3x, or 5x, depending on the role of a die. If instead he is not so lucky, he can start the following day with 2, 3, or 5 votes against him. If he plays it safe, his vote is worth 1. At the beginning of each day period, he is made aware what his vote is worth. If he decides to spy on Yotsuba, Matsuda has a 50% chance of catching the real identity of the Third Kira, but a 50% chance of instead uncovering the identity of a different Yotsuba member. In addition, he has a 50% chance of being caught, revealing his true identity to all living members of Yotsuba Group. If Matsuda and Light survive until there are half or less players remaining and Near catches the active Kira during the night, Matsuda shoots Light, killing him, ending the game and winning with his fellow Detectives.

Hirokazu Ukita – Perhaps the most emotional member of the Japanese Task Force, Ukita is nonetheless absolutely determined to catch Kira, and does not hesitate to demonstrate passionate, admirable bravery. If the investigation prospects are looking grim, Ukita may attempt to stop the lynch. He may attempt to do so as many times as he wishes, but he may not stop his own lynch. If he tries to stop the lynch, he has a 50% chance of pardoning the lynch completely, but also a 50% chance of instead sacrificing his own life in lieu of the lynchee.

Near – One of two possible individuals being groomed to be the successor to L in case of disaster, Near is much like a younger version of L: socially awkward, but incredibly intelligent and cunning. If L dies, Near takes over the Kira investigation and starts the Special Provision for Kira (SPK), determined to catch Kira before Mello does. Near cannot be lynched unless L is dead; until that time, he cannot use any role ability. Because of his anonymous existence, he cannot be night killed by Kira unless Kira first knows his role. As head of the SPK, he continues investigating where L left off. At the end of every night, he may either gain anonymous BTSC with any player of his choice for the subsequent day/night cycle, or search for the active Kira. If he finds the active Kira and Matsuda is still alive, the game will end and the Detectives will win. If he finds the active Kira and Matsuda is dead, the game will still end, but Light has a chance of escaping unharmed. This outcome can end in either a Detective win or a Kira win, with the likelihood of each unknown to Near and Light. Because Near does not start investigating until L is dead, he cannot be night killed by Kira, even if Kira knows his role, unless L is dead. If L ever tries to gain anonymous BTSC with a shinigami who has not yet been revealed, his power fails and he gains BTSC with no one, but he is not made aware why. Due to his astute powers of deduction, Near is made aware any time a Death Note changes hands from one killer to another, but only if L is dead (like all of his other role powers).

Mello – One of two possible individuals being groomed to be the successor to L in case of disaster, Mello is always considered to be #2 to Near, a position he resents greatly. His intelligence is also high, but sometimes he lets his emotions get the best of him. If L dies, Mello forfeits the successor position to Near, and joins the mafia. He intends on catching Kira before Near does and will do anything to stop Near from getting ahead. Mello cannot be lynched unless L is dead; until that time, he cannot use any role ability. Because of his anonymous existence, he cannot be night killed by Kira unless Kira first knows his role. He cannot win alongside his fellow Detectives if Near ends the game. Consequently, he may role block Near once to stop him from achieving this. He kidnaps one player every night; for the subsequent day/night cycle, that player cannot participate in the game whatsoever, including posting, voting, role power, and any BTSC. If he kidnaps Kiyomi Takada and the active Kira does not kill her within the subsequent cycle, Mello uncovers which half of the currently living players cannot be the active Kira. If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives. Because Mello does not start investigating until L is dead, he cannot be night killed by Kira, even if Kira knows his role, unless L is dead. With his Death Note, Mello may control the time of death, as well as conditions triggering death, for each of his victims. However, the soonest that his kill can occur is typical (that night). The latest it can occur is as long as he wishes. In addition, Mello may control the victim's actions before death, which means he may control content of the host post in which his victim is killed.

Raye Penber – An FBI agent who begins investigating Light Yagami when L tells him to. Has BTSC with Naomi. Starting Night 2, he investigates Light every night, possibly uncovering Light’s true identity any time Light kills. As a result of his investigation, he receives a name. This name has a 10% chance of being Light's true identity, but a 90% chance of instead being a randomly redirected result. Every time Light kills a member of the Japanese Task Force, Raye's chance to uncover Light’s true identity increases by 5%. If Light is not killing, he receives no result. He stops investigating Light at some point.

Naomi Misora – A former FBI agent and fiancée of Raye Penber. If Raye dies while investigating Light, she picks up where he left off. Has BTSC with Raye. If Raye dies while investigating Light, she investigates Light every night, possibly uncovering his true identity any time Light kills. As a result of her investigation, she receives a name. This name has a 20% chance of being Light's true identity, but a 80% chance of instead being a randomly redirected result. If Light is not killing, she receives no result. She never stops investigating him until she dies.








Kyosuke Higuchi (Third Kira) – A very greedy and power-hungry man who becomes the owner of a Death Note if a certain chain of events occurs. However, little does he know he is no more than a tool in an elaborate scheme orchestrated by the original Kira. Each night, while in possession of a Death Note, he votes on a victim for Kira to kill, concealing the fact that he is actually the one deciding others’ fates. Higuchi cannot be lynched or night killed until he receives a Death Note; thereafter, even if the Note is taken from him, he can die. When he possesses a Death Note, all members of Yotsuba vote on a player to die every night, but Higuchi has a choice to override the player to be killed. However, if he does so, he risks the chance of outing himself to his fellow members. Each member currently alive has a 25% chance of learning Higuchi’s real identity every time a kill is overriden, with a 75% chance of instead receiving a randomly redirected result. When he gains his Death Note, he is offered the Shinigami Eye Deal. If Higuchi takes the Eye Deal, he can role check two players every night but he must kill one of those two players; this only applies if he overrides the kill selection. If Higuchi currently cannot kill with a Death Note or does not override the kill target, he cannot role check anyone. Because the Eye Deal cuts his lifespan, all votes against Higuchi in lynches will be doubled for the remainder of the game. If Higuchi refuses the Eye Deal, he still may change his mind and accept it later at any time. If Higuchi either completes his win condition or dies, he relinquishes ownership of the Death Note back to Light, losing BTSC with Rem. As Kira, he may control the time of death, as well as conditions triggering death, for each of his victims. However, the soonest that his kill can occur is typical (that night). The latest it can occur is as long as he wishes. In addition, Kira may control the victim's actions before death, which means he may control content of the host post in which his victim is killed.

Shingo Mido - After Higuchi has killed two victims, he invites Namikawa, Shimura, and Ooi to a secret meeting. Mido, Namikawa, Shimura, and Ooi gain temporary BTSC; the secret meeting lasts one full day/night cycle.

Reiji Namikawa – After Higuchi has killed one victim, he receives an anonymous phone call. During the anonymous phone call, he discovers the "real identity" of Higuchi. The phone call is received at the end of the day subsequent to the victim's death. Namikawa's phone call is really a survey of all living Detectives as well as Light's guesses as to who Higuchi is. The player with the most votes (if a tie, randomized among the top vote receivers) is the "real identity" told to Namikawa.

Suguru Shimura

Eiichi Takahashi

Masahiko Kida

Takeshi Ooi








Light Yagami (Kira) – The initial finder of a Death Note, Light is a high-school senior who quickly grows obsessed with power, declaring himself the ultimate decider of criminals’ fates. Determined to create a new perfect world without evil, Light will manipulate or kill anyone in his way. Has BTSC with Ryuk. Writes a player’s name in the Death Note every night, killing them. Arrogant and incredibly manipulative, Light feels no true alliance to anyone but himself, and thus can kill any human, even one of his supporters. Once Misa starts killing, Light may send a message to her every day. If certain events occur, he and Ryuk may gain BTSC with Misa and Rem. At any time, Light may choose to forfeit ownership of the Death Note. If he does so, Higuchi receives the Death Note. Under certain circumstances, Light may regain the Death Note. After regaining it, he may subsequently pass it on to Mikami at any time, but he cannot regain the Death Note again unless Mikami is killed. While not possessing a Death Note, Light cannot be lynched or night killed. At all times after Light and Misa gain permanent BTSC, only one Kira may be killing at a time. Thus, if Higuchi or Mikami possess a Death Note, Light and Misa must abstain, even if one of them also has a Death Note. If the active Kira is ever caught by Near, Light may have a chance to still win, but only if Matsuda is dead. Whenever Raye or Naomi is following him or stop following him, Light is made aware. Light has a piece of the Death Note hidden in his watch which may be used to kill one player of his choice at any time, regardless of whether he currently possesses a Death Note. For all intents and purposes, this does not qualify as the Death Note; therefore, he cannot be lynched or night killed even while he has the ability to still use this piece of Death Note. Once they share BTSC, Misa and Light may use each other's notebook to kill without the original owner necessarily forfeiting ownership. Therefore, Light may still kill using Misa's Death Note, and still satisfy the conditions for not possessing one, and vice versa. If L is night killed, Light has the option to take over the gossip role aspect of L's role. As Kira, Light may control the time of death, as well as conditions triggering death, for each of his victims. However, the soonest that his kill can occur is typical (that night). The latest it can occur is as long as he wishes. In addition, Kira may control the victim's actions before death, which means he may control content of the host post in which his victim is killed.

Ryuk – A shinigami who appears to Light shortly after he discovers his Death Note, Ryuk explains that he has to stay with Light until he either dies or the Death Note is destroyed, and that he ‘dropped’ the Death Note into the human world because he was bored. As a shinigami, he cannot be harmed by humans, nor can he be seen by humans who have not made contact with his Death Note. Oh, and he loves apples. Has BTSC with Light Yagami. Because he is a shinigami, votes by humans in lynches do not affect him, and writing his name down in a Death Note will not kill him. Thus, he cannot be lynched or night killed. However, if he is about to be killed for the second time, although he will still not die, his existence will be made aware to everyone, outing him. Even though Ryuk refuses to take sides and often finds pleasure at Light’s misfortunes, he accompanies Light, and even may assist him. Once Raye Penber has started following Light, Ryuk offers Light the Shinigami Eye deal. If Light takes the offer, Light can role check two players every night but he must kill one of those two players. If Light currently cannot kill with a Death Note, he cannot role check anyone. Because the Eye Deal cuts his lifespan, all votes against Light in lynches will be doubled for the remainder of the game. If Light refuses the Eye Deal, he still may change his mind and accept it later at any time.

Misa Amane (Second Kira) – A famous model whose parents were murdered by a man that Kira kills with his Death Note, Misa becomes infatuated with Kira and makes desperate moves to meet him. She thereafter becomes Light’s girlfriend, incredibly complacent to his demands. Gains BTSC with Rem when she receives her Death Note. At some point, she gains a Death Note. Once she starts killing, she may send a message to Light every night, and her kill fails automatically if she uses it against him. She stops at nothing to gain Light’s attention, and at some point may gain permanent BTSC with him. Because of a romantic rivalry with Kiyomi Takada, her vote is worth 3 if she ever votes for Takada. At any time, Misa may forfeit ownership of her Death Note. If she does so, she cannot use a Death Note for the remainder of the game, but for the subsequent three days she cannot be lynched. Misa gains her Death Note at the beginning of Day 3. She gains BTSC with Light after one of their Death Notes has been relinquished or taken by Sidoh, or after the end of Night 5, whichever comes first. Once they share BTSC, Misa and Light may use each other's notebook to kill without the original owner necessarily forfeiting ownership. Therefore, Misa may still kill using Light's Death Note, and still satisfy the conditions for not possessing one, and vice versa. As Kira, Misa may control the time of death, as well as conditions triggering death, for each of her victims. However, the soonest that her kill can occur is typical (that night). The latest it can occur is as long as she wishes. In addition, Kira may control the victim's actions before death, which means she may control content of the host post in which her victim is killed.

Rem – A shinigami who appears to Misa after she discovers her Death Note, Rem accompanies Misa and guards her at any cost. As a shinigami, she cannot be harmed by humans, nor can she be seen by humans who have not made contact with her Death Note. Gains BTSC with Misa Amane when she gives her the Death Note. Because she is a shinigami, votes by humans in lynches do not affect her, and writing her name down in a Death Note will not kill her. Thus, she cannot be lynched or night killed. However, if she is about to be killed for the second time, although she will still not die, her existence will be made aware to everyone, outing her. Even before giving the Death Note to Misa, she knows Misa’s identity. In addition, if Misa is targeted for a night kill before Misa gains her Death Note, Rem absorbs the kill automatically, ensuring Misa's survival. Certain events must occur before she will give up her Death Note to Misa. Once she does so, Rem serves as Misa's guardian, doing anything she can to protect her. If she ever feels Misa is being threatened, Rem may write down the name of a human in her Death Note at any time, killing them regardless of whether they cannot be lynched or night killed; however, if she does so, she will also die. If Misa ever dies, Rem retreats to the Shinigami Realm, leaving the game. When Higuchi starts killing, Rem gains BTSC with him, losing it with Misa, and also with Light and Ryuk, if she had previously gained it. She may regain BTSC with her former BTSCmate(s) and lose it with Higuchi under certain circumstances. Immediately as she gains BTSC with Misa, Rem offers her the Shinigami Eye deal. If Misa takes the Shinigami Eye deal, Misa can role check two players every night but she or Light must kill one of those two players. If neither of them can currently kill with a Death Note, she cannot role check anyone. Because the Eye Deal cuts her lifespan, all votes against Misa in lynches will be doubled for the remainder of the game. If Misa refuses the Eye Deal, she still may change her mind and accept it later at any time. Rem offers this same deal to Higuchi when he gains a Death Note. Once she gains BTSC with Light, she receives a message from her conscience. If Rem ever uses her ability to kill any player, thereby killing herself, she will be notified at the submission of her kill that she can actually kill two players of her choice, but must select the second player within 24 hours. This player will also be killed regardless of whether they cannot be lynched or night killed. After she dies, her Death Note is subsequently able to be used, and will be taken by Light.

Teru Mikami (X Kira) – As a devoted worshipper of Kira, Mikami has a strong sense of justice and feels evil absolutely must be punished. He adheres to a very strict, daily schedule. If a certain chain of events occurs, Mikami gains a Death Note. At this time, he is offered the Shinigami Eye Deal. If Mikami takes the Eye Deal, he can role check two players every night but he must kill one of those two players. If Mikami currently cannot kill with a Death Note, he cannot role check anyone. Because the Eye Deal cuts his lifespan, all votes against Mikami in lynches will be doubled for the remainder of the game. If Mikami refuses the Eye Deal, he still may change his mind and accept it later at any time. At some point, he gains BTSC with Kiyomi Takada. At this time, per Light's orders, he creates a fake Death Note. If Mikami is ever found by Near, Near finds the fake Death Note, delaying Near's capture of Mikami for an additional two cycles. Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity. Due to Mikami's shared sense of justice and obsessive support of Kira, he is made aware immediately of the first vote that is cast against Light in any lynch, revealing Light's identity to him. At that time, he is given the option to commit suicide at any time thereafter. If he commits suicide: the day or night period ends immediately, he dies in lieu of the lynchee or night target(s) and his role is revealed, and his death is followed by two consecutive nights. As Kira, Mikami may control the time of death, as well as conditions triggering death, for each of his victims. However, the soonest that his kill can occur is typical (that night). The latest it can occur is as long as he wishes. In addition, Kira may control the victim's actions before death, which means he may control content of the host post in which his victim is killed.

Kiyomi Takada – Classmate and former girlfriend of Light Yagami, Takada becomes the official spokeswoman for Kira if Demegawa dies. Like Demegawa, she may only be Kira's spokeswoman after L has died. If Mikami starts killing, she gains BTSC with both Light and Mikami separately, facilitating communication among the three of them. Because of a romantic rivalry with Misa Amane, her vote is worth 3 if she ever votes for Misa. If she has become Kira's spokeswoman, every night she can force one player to vote the way she wishes the subsequent day.

Hitoshi Demegawa – A very greedy man who feeds off of publicity, Demegawa is director of Sakura TV. If L dies, Demegawa asserts himself as Kira’s spokesman and constantly rallies for Kira supporters to participate in various violent acts of protest. If he has become Kira’s spokesman, every night he can coordinate an attack on SPK headquarters in an attempt to role block Near, with a 25% success rate.








Sidoh – A shinigami whose Death Note was stolen, he searches for Ryuk every night to retrieve his notebook. If he finds Mello, something happens. As a shinigami, he cannot be harmed by humans, nor can he be seen by humans who have not made contact with his Death Note. Because he is a shinigami, votes by humans in lynches do not affect him, and writing his name down in a Death Note will not kill him. Thus, he cannot be lynched or night killed. However, if he is about to be killed for the second time, although he will still not die, his existence will be made aware to everyone, outing him. Every night he searches for his Death Note, which was stolen by Ryuk. If he finds Mello, Sidoh reveals himself to Mello and they gain BTSC. Every night he must also pick four roles and publicly reveal their secrets so that everyone is made aware; all of these selections cannot be from the same team, unless only one team has secrets remaining. Once Sidoh finds his Death Note, he steals it from its current owner, ending that player's ability to kill with the notebook. As a shinigami, like Ryuk, he does not kill players using his notebook. After he has revealed all of the role secrets, more secrets are revealed, but are represented in tildes. These additional secrets are secrets that were not explicit in each player's role PM, and thus the player who has that role may or may not be aware of them. Any letters revealed among the tildes are only made known to Sidoh, not publicly. Every time Sidoh successfully solves a role's additional secrets behind the scenes, those secrets are revealed publicly in full. For every role's secrets that Sidoh solves with four or less revealed letters, both Sidoh and the player whose additional role secrets he has solved, assuming that player is still alive, gain an extra vote to be used secretly in any subsequent lynch.

1. No BTSC (Behind the Scenes Contact/Conversation) with anyone other than your specified BTSC partners.
2. No role outing of yourself or anyone else.
3. Be respectful and remember that this is a game.
4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row).
5. No posting or summarizing the contents of host PMs in the thread.
6. Dead players should not post on-topic and should be in dead red. There is a "dead" button when posting for this function.
7. Off-topic posts should be in off-topic green. There is an "OT" button when posting for this function.
8. Posts from non-players should be in non-player blue. There is a "np" button when posting for this function.
9. Have fun!

This game will be the first on The Syndicate to incorporate the Participation Score (P-Score). Because of this, I must specify before any of you sign up what will qualify as non-participation:

- If you do not post within 3 cycles.
- If you do not vote for 3 consecutive cycles.
- If you do not send in your night power for 3 consecutive cycles.

If any of these are committed, it will qualify as non-participation for the purposes of this game.

If you are afraid you cannot fulfill any of these requirements due to any reason, please PM me immediately requesting a replacement. I will then seek out someone to take your place and your P-Score will not be penalized.

Exceptions will be made for unforeseen and uncontrollable circumstances.

Bass_the_Clever - WINNER
Metalmarsh89 - WINNER
Spacedaisy - WINNER
Turnip Head - Sidoh - WINNER


[center]DEAD: 23[/center]
triceratopzeuhl - Touta Matsuda - Lynched - Day 1
birdwithteeth11 - Eiichi Takahashi - Lynched - Day 2
Long Con - Killed by Kira - Night 2
S~V~S - Killed by Kira - Day 3
Snowman - Hitoshi Demegawa - Lynched - Day 3
AceofSpaces - Killed by Kira - Day 5
Elohcin - Kiyomi Takada - Lynched - Day 5 - WINNER
Zomberella12 - Killed by Kira - Night 5
Made - Masahiko Kida - Lynched - Day 6
Russtifinko - Killed by Kira - Day 7
bea - Killed by Kira - Night 7
Boomslang - Killed by Kira - Day 9
DharmaHelper - Killed by Rem - Day 10
FZ. - Killed by Rem - Day 10
boo - Rem - Imploded - Day 10 - WINNER
thellama73 - L - Lynched - Day 10
Epignosis - Killed by Kira - Night 10
juliets - Killed by Kira - Night 10
Black Rock - Killed by Kira - Night 11
Ricochet - Killed by Kira - Night 11 - WINNER
DisgruntledPorcupine - Shiuchi Aizawa - Lynched - Day 12
Matahari - Killed by Kira - Night 12 - WINNER
zeek - Killed by Kira - Night 12 - replaced Roxy - Night 1

AceofSpaces
Bass_the_Clever
bea
birdwithteeth11
Black Rock
boo
Boomslang
DharmaHelper
DisgruntledPorcupine
Elohcin
Epignosis
FZ.
juliets
Long Con
Made
Matahari
Metalmarsh89
Ricochet
Russtifinko
S~V~S
Snowman
Spacedaisy
thellama73
triceratopzeuhl
Turnip Head
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1
Zomberella12


Male: 18
Female: 9

Prologue: Part 1 - Before the Meeting
Prologue: Part 2 - Conference (Flashback)
Prologue: Part 3 - Confrontation (Flashback)
Prologue: Part 4 - I Am Justice (Flashback)
Prologue: Part 5 - Meet L - The game begins with a Day 0 phase. Players must decide how to use the Lynch Note.
Day 0: The Return of Sockface - The players decided to conduct lynches using the Normal Lynch mechanism. Day 1 begins.
Day 1: Trice, You Idiot! - triceratopzeuhl has been lynched. He was Touta Matsuda.
Night 1: Silence - No one has been killed by Kira.
Day 2: Yotsuba Are A Puppet - birdwithteeth11 has been lynched. He was Eiichi Takahashi.
Night 2: So Long Con - Long Con has been killed by Kira.
Night 2: Silence (Part II) - No one has been killed by Kira.
Day 3: Tilde No More - S~V~S has been killed by Kira.
Day 3: And You May Ask Yourself... How Do I Play This Mafia Game? - Snowman has been lynched. He was Hitoshi Demegawa.
Night 3: Silence (Part III) - No one has been killed by Kira.
Day 4: Super Turnip Bro. - No one has been lynched.
Night 4: Silence (Part IV) - No one has been killed by Kira.
Day 5: Ace of Death - AceofSpaces has been killed by Kira.
Day 5: L Loves Cakes, but Hates the Cake Maker - Elohcin has been lynched. She was Kiyomi Takada.
Night 5: The World's Best Zombie Extermination Team - Zomberella12 has been killed by Kira.
Day 6: Orange Is the New Lynched - Made has been lynched. He was Masahiko Kida.
Night 6: Silence (Part V) - No one has been killed by Kira.
Day 7: That's Sir Russtifinko, King of the White and Nerdy, to You!!! - Russtifinko has been killed by Kira.
Day 7: Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With - No one has been lynched.
Night 7: Bumblebea - bea has been killed by Kira.
Day 8: Sockfaces Need to Sleep Too, You Know! - No one has been lynched.
Night 8: Silence (Part VI) - No one has been killed by Kira.
Day 9: Boomslang's Demise - Boomslang has been killed by Kira.
Day 9: I Am FZ.'s Complete Lack of Surprise - No one has been lynched. Night 9 is skipped.
Day 10: Silence of the Ghosts - DharmaHelper has been killed by Rem. FZ. has been killed by Rem. boo has died; he was Rem.
Day 10: L is for Llama - thellama73 has been lynched. He was L.
Night 10: Double Kill - Epignosis has been killed by Kira. juliets has been killed by Kira.
Day 11: GIVE ME BACK MY WIN COOOOOOOOON - No one has been lynched. Turnip Head has been revealed; he is Sidoh.
Night 11: Killing Spree - Black Rock has been killed by Kira. Ricochet has been killed by Kira.
Day 12: DisgruntledAizawa - DisgruntledPorcupine has been lynched. He was Shuichi Aizawa.
Night 12: 3.18 - Matahari has been killed by Kira. zeek has been killed by Kira.
Epilogue: New World - The game has ended. Kyosuke Higuchi (Third Kira), Light Yagami (Kira), Ryuk, Misa Amane (Second Kira), Teru Mikami (X Kira), Kiyomi Takada, and Sidoh have satisfied their win conditions. Rem has been awarded an honorary win. Congratulations to Bass_the_Clever, boo, Elohcin, Matahari, Metalmarsh89, Ricochet, Spacedaisy, and Turnip Head!! They are the winners of Death Note Mafia.

All of the Japanese Task Force members arrive at the hotel. Souichiro knocks on the door.

L: It's unlocked. Please let yourselves in.

The Task Force members step inside and close the door behind them.

L: I am L.

The members are very surprised to see L's appearance is young, unprofessional (wearing a long-sleeve wrinkled white t-shirt and baggy jeans), disheveled, and aloof.

SOUICHIRO: (reflection) This is him?
MATSUDA: (reflection) He's nothing like I thought he would be.

SOUICHIRO: I'm Yagami of the NPA.
MATSUDA: Matsuda.
AIZAWA: I'm Aizawa.
MOGI: Mogi.
SOCKFACE: Sockface.
SOUICHIRO: I'm very sorry we're late.

L slowly lifts his hand and forms the shape of a gun, and then "shoots".

L: Bang.
MEN: Huh?
AIZAWA: What the hell was that?
L: If I were Kira, you'd be dead, Mr. Souichiro Yagami, Chief of the NPA. Kira needs a face and a name in order to commit murder. But I'm sure you've already figured that much out, haven't you? Please do not give out your name so carelessly. Instead, let's value our lives.

L’s cell phone rings.

L: Excuse me.

He picks up the cell phone and holds it strangely.

L: Understood. You got the key, so let yourself in.

A mysterious man enters the room.

WATARI: Gentlemen, it's an honor to meet all of you.
AIZAWA: This person is Watari?
WATARI: Well then, I've brought those items you requested. It's all here.
L: Could you please pass them out to everyone?
WATARI: Yes. Gentlemen, these are your new police IDs.

Watari hands the men their IDs.

AIZAWA: But what for?
SOUICHIRO: Our names and ranks are false.
MATSUDA: Why did you give us fake IDs?
L: As you know, Kira requires a name and a face to kill. We will confront him with that premise in mind, and I think it should be obvious why.
SOCKFACE: Yes, but of all the people, the police shouldn't use fake IDs!
SOUICHIRO: Enough. What choice do we really have given the capabilities of our enemy? As long as you're working on this case, I think we're going to need all the protection one can get. It will be foolish not to use them.
MATSUDA: Yeah. You got a good point.

L: That's enough small talk for now. Come this way. Please turn off all your cell phones, handhelds and any other communication devices, and leave them on the table right there.
AIZAWA: What do you think? We're gonna be using our cell phones during this meeting to leak information?
MATSUDA: Unbelievable. He tells us to turn off our cell phones...
SOUICHIRO: It's all right. Just do as he says.
MATSUDA: I realize he's been cautious from the very beginning, but I still can't tell if he trusts us or not.
L: No. I just find them distracting. I can't stand it when people's cell phones are ringing while I'm trying to talk.

L: Let me start by saying nobody takes notes on anything that's said in these meetings. That means when we will leave headquarters, any information we need is committed to memory. Please make yourselves comfortable.
MATSUDA: Excuse me, L.
L: Hmm? From now on, I'll have to ask that you stop calling me L. It's Ryuzaki now, just to be safe.
MATSUDA: Ah, OK, Ryuzaki. If we know that he needs a name and a face to kill, couldn't we cut down on the numbers of victims by keeping criminals' names from the news?
L: If we do that, we'll only be putting the general public at risk.
SOCKFACE: The general public? Why?
L: Kira is childish and he hates losing.
SOUICHIRO: Just what do you mean?
L: Well, I'm also childish and I hate to lose. That's how I know.
SOUICHIRO: Ryuzaki, would you mind being a little more specific for us?
L: Early on the investigation, I tried to provoke Kira with that broadcast. Up until then, we thought that Kira would only go after criminals, but as we all witnessed, he didn't hesitate to kill my stand-in. Also, as soon as I said we knew he was in the Kanto region, in defiance he made sure his next victims came from within Japan, as if to say, 'what are you gonna do about it?' He's met each of my challenges head on and he's never missed an opportunity to return the favor. Now what do you think would happen if we try to use media restrictions to hide criminals from someone like that? 'If you choose to withhold the names of your worst criminals, I'll kill petty criminals or the innocent. I'm holding the whole world hostage, so who's it gonna be? I'm not the evil one here, but all those who oppose me by hiding criminals, you are truly evil.' That's exactly how Kira thinks. In any case, let's look at another way we can use the media to draw him out.
AIZAWA: But how?
L: How about something like this? 'Death of FBI agents infuriates the U.S. Latest killings anger the international policing community. Nations agree to send 1500 investigators to Japan.' For Kira this would be way beyond what he faced with the FBI. He'll see everyone is a potential threat. Psychologically, he'll start to feel cornered, and that would cause him to take some kind of drastic action.
SOCKFACE: That's interesting.
AIZAWA: So he'll think there are 1500, when there're really only 27 of us. And since none of these investigators exist, Kira won't be able to kill them.
SOCKFACE: It just might work.
L: So, does anyone have any questions?

SOUICHIRO: Actually, Ryuzaki, I do have one question for you. And it pertains to what you said to us earlier about how you hate to lose. Does the fact that you've shown your own face means that you've lost? By just being here are you admitting defeat to Kira?
L: That's right. By showing my face to you now and by sacrificing the lives of 12 FBI agents, I have lost the battle. But I'm not gonna lose the war. This is the first time I've ever put my life on the line. I want to show Kira that we're all willing to risk our lives if that's what it takes, and that justice will prevail no matter what.
MOGI: Hey, yeah. That's right!
MATSUDA: I like the sound of that.
SOCKFACE: We can do this!

SOUICHIRO: (reflection) Well, I had my doubts about whether he was really him at first. But there is no mistaking it. This man is L.

L: Before we go any further, I have to be absolutely sure that none of you are Kira. So I need to speak with each of you individually before you leave today.
AIZAWA: What's the deal? He still doesn't trust us?
SOUICHIRO: No. I think it's a fair request. Try to see it from his perspective. Kira's been getting information from our headquarters from the very beginning, so there is a good chance that he is one of us.
MATSUDA: Chief's right. Working this case has given us a chance to see him in person.
AIZAWA: Well, he is risking his life to be here.

At that moment, one of the men collapsed on the floor, dying from a heart attack. It was Sockface. They all looked at each other in a panic.

MATSUDA: That... that's impossible.

L: I admit I find it hard to believe as well. There's no reason for Kira to be at the scene of his own crime when he can kill from a distance. Well, maybe he was counting on us to make that assumption, and figured he could get away with such a bold move.

Suddenly, Sockface’s body disappeared into thin air, leaving behind a notebook with a sock on it. L walked over and picked it up.

L: 'Lynch Note'?

He flipped quickly through the pages of the book, seeing that they were all blank.

L: Well, this certainly is an interesting development.



It is now Day 0.

1) Normal Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; the player that receives the most votes will be lynched.
2) Secret Ballot Lynch - Every player casts a secret ballot; the player that receives the most votes will be lynched.
3) High Poster Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; players who post more may have more heavily weighted votes.
4) Low Poster Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; players who post less may have more heavily weighted votes.
5) Early Voter Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; players who vote earlier may have more heavily weighted votes.
6) Late Voter Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; players who vote later may have more heavily weighted votes.
7) L and Light Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; however, not every player's vote counts. L secretly determines which half of the players' votes will count and which half will not count. Light does the same. The players that appear on both "count" lists have heavily weighted votes. Players on only one "count" list have a normal vote. Players who do not appear on either list will not have their votes counted.
8) Nihilistic Random Lynch - No players cast votes. Every day's lynchee will be selected randomly.


Cast your vote wisely.

HOST ANNOUNCEMENT:

I will go incredibly ballistic this game if I have to deal with anyone role outing themselves or anyone else. Seriously.

Role hinting where almost anyone knows your or someone else's role or can find it through a simple Google search is still role outing and will not be tolerated. If you have knowledge that comes from your role power, and not the thread, or if you want to fake that knowledge, please remember to utilize actual reasons. Do NOT indicate that your role or some power has given you knowledge, ever. Also, please don't pester or request other players to do any of this. This takes the fun out of the game.

If you have absolutely any question or doubt, even the slightest bit ever, as to whether what you are thinking of posting or doing is against the rules, it is imperative that you PM me before doing it. Please. I don't want to have to swing the hosthammer, but I will not be afraid to do so. Let's see if I can go the whole game without doing it though, folks.

This will be an experimental game, if you couldn't tell. If you get frustrated with the game, remember that I spent ridiculous amounts of time attempting to craft this game, and that there are plenty of secrets. I am not infallible, so hopefully I crafted everything to be balanced (I certainly tried), but remember that, as the Host, what I say is final. But most importantly, I've tried to make this game fun for every player, so please remember to have fun!

Additionally, if you get frustrated with either the game or another player, vent to the Mod on Duty or to me, NOT to the thread. That accomplishes nothing and only masks the mood of the game with your current mood. Dom and I would be more than happy to listen to absolutely whatever you need to vent at any time.

Now, on a lighter note, dead players may win this game so long as their win condition is fulfilled.

FYI, I intend on Day 0 lasting at least 48 hours, to give everyone time to check in, but we can play it by ear. This will be the only period I will not be instituting a strict poll end time, just so both you (the players) and I (the host) have some flexibility as to when Day 1 will actually start.

You may now post.

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I'm ready.

I voted high-poster category because I am neurotic and spend too much time on here posting.

The poll is extremely interesting. Obvious, High Poster appeals to me, and my anarchic nature makes me almost want to vote for Nihilistic (don't wory, I won't). L and Light is also intriguing. I want to hear what others think before voting.

Votes are not changeable. I hope I'm allowed to share that.

I am most tempted to vote for either high poster lynch or L/Light lynch. High poster lynch appeal to me because I can rest assured I will likely be among those whose vote counts the most, but L/Light lynch is just too interesting of an opportunity to pass up.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Votes are not changeable. I hope I'm allowed to share that.

This is correct. You are allowed, don't worry. I didn't think to announce this within my other announcement content.

Votes will not be changeable this game, ever. I personally don't like them, so I don't intend on using changeable votes in any of my games.

The question is "How to use the lynch note to best catch Kira."

I believe that pitting L and Kira against each other to match wits this early is our best bet to do just that. So I will be voting for the L/Kira lynch option. I think it provides us with the most information to work with and I intend to do just that.

I like secret ballots. Will anyone think I am bad for choosing it?



Yes. They probably will.

With the L/Light option, Kira is guaranteed to have at least a normal vote, since he would be a fool not to put himself on his own list. I would guess there's probably a good chance that Kira will be a high poster, especially if he knows that he can increase his lynch influence by posting more, though. Ditto for the early/late/low post options. I would prefer not to give Light that chance. That leaves Normal, Secret, Nihilist, and L/Light. I am going to go with DH and pick L/Light.

I kind of have a hard time believing each lynch would be run by whichever of these options win. Hideki at least has some vote manipulation built in, and who knows how many other roles do. Including that in roles and then doing this for D0 wouldn't quite make sense to me. Plus, if L/Light wins, and then one of them dies, what would happen? So it makes me think we're just picking an option for how the D1 lynch will occur, even though the language in some of the descriptions doesn't seem to point to that (high/low/early/late all just say may have, not will have, and nihilistic says every lynch). So, the safest option would seem to be just go with the normal one, since MP is insane and every lynch may wind up being random or run by a single person or small group of people if any other option were to be picked. I suppose secret ballot wouldn't be included in that, but with almost every role having secrets, losing even more information by not knowing how people even voted just seems crazy. So I'm going with normal.

This is really complex. I had to read my own role PM a few times.

I have to wrap my head around this poll, but I am most inclined to vote "normal lynch". I am presuming this is a one day thing, like boo says, BUT there is that "every day" in the nihilistic option. As someone who is normally a fairly high poster, I kinda like that one, but if we have a bad team consisting of really chatty folks, there goes the game. But I am willing to wait to vote until I hear the opinions of the people who are better thinkiers than I

Rest in peace Sockface! Yay game!

I'm torn between High Poster ( ) and L/Light options. The high poster one would force the baddies (and civvies too!) to be active if they want their votes to count, which should make for a livelier game thread. But the L/Light option seems to indicate it could have some strategic merit as well.

I don't care for the secret votes much, it leaves it too difficult to really figure out much about people's alignment. They could say whatever they want in thread but bite very differently. It would be an easy way for a baddie to hide.

High posting could be beneficial as it would probably force Kira to be more active, thus eliminating the likelihood of a baddie flying under the radar. But in the downside it could encourage people lynching high posters which seems counterproductive to the spirit of the game.

Low posting would encourage people not to post much, which would make it hard for us to determine much about anyone again, in my opinion. Plus it would make the game much less interesting. It's never good to discourage people from posting. I don't like this one either.

Normal lynch, if it ain't broke don't fix it... Then again, it would be interesting to try something new.

Early voter, this would seem to encourage snap decisions which I don't really care for, especially as watching what people say during a lynch can make a difference and sometimes even provide a baddie slip up.

Late voters, encourages people hold their votes until the end. Could result in more missed votes, plus baddies frequently hold their votes in case they need to save someone, could give them even more of an advantage in that situation

L/Light, this could be really interesting and might allow us to narrow down some things, but with all the numbers, it might be more difficult to figure stuff out from this than we think. But the fact that we still have public voting allows us to figure out alignment the old fashioned way anyhow so I think I might be leaning this way.

Nihilistic, no. Just no.

So for me, either normal or L/Light. Gonna have to think about this one.

Do not give Kira a chance to affect lynches. I'm voting for a normal lynch. The less manipulation possible, the less manipulation.

Good points Epi and Daisy. Y'all have got me leaning for a normie lynch now.

Here are my basic thoughts on all eight options.

1) Normal Lynch - Likely to be easier for mafias and BTSCs to either manipulate or get information from. (For example, if L is lynched as a result of the +5 vote, that would kill L and expose the +5 guy to the mafia). Sure, this can be considered a "safe" option, but playing it safe isn't going to win the civvies the game. This is essentially a blank slate that is subject to vote manipulations and easy deductions, which in my view makes it one of the more dangerous options.

2) Secret Ballot Lynch - Obviously not even close to on the table. It removes too much information from the thread, allows mafia to blend in more, and cripples the civvie effort.

3) High Poster Influenced Lynch - Encourages activity, but far too easy for the mafia to take advantage (post a lot, and gain the benefit of driving discussion AND having heavily weighed votes)

4) Low Poster Influenced Lynch - Encourages *inactivity*, which is bullshit. The mafia could blend into the background and get rewarded for it, which I don't see as a good way to go about things.

5) Early Voter Influenced Lynch - AKA the Bandwagon option, early votes would count more, therefore people would be forced to limit their views and votes to the earliest of candidates for fear of not having their vote matter in the grand scheme. An easy work around would be something like in Grimms mafia when discussion was during the Night, but this still leaves a great deal of room for abuse and manipulation.

6) Late Voter Influenced Lynch - AKA the Team Save option. gives far too much power to anyone who votes late, such as a teammate waiting to save a mafia. This would make it incredibly difficult to actually lynch any mafia when we end up catching one.

7) L and Light Influenced Lynch - Removes a lot of the control/influence from the mafia in terms of going into a lynch with a battle plan, and gives the civvies some control as well, with L deciding who he trusts at any given time. In addition to providing insight into both L and Kiras mindsets, it allows the thread to deduce information from lynches, and provides the opportunity for clever gameplay. As I see it, this is the clear winner and best option.

8) Nihilistic Random Lynch - While it shares similarities with the L/Light lynch option in that in prevents the mafia from having a set "plan" in terms of how to go about a lynch, it also takes a lot of the control and information away from the civvies as well. There is nothing to deduce from "random lynches". It has little informational benefit.

The thing I don't like about L/Light is if you have a very convincing baddie on Lights's team, they would be heavily weighted. I realize they do not have traditional BTSC, but might at some point. If this is a game long thing, I don't know that I like it as much as traditional, but yeah, I like it better than the other options.

I'm kind of surprised people find the L/Light one so appealing. Light starts with BTSC with one other person and has the potential for more from the sounds of the team description. That to me firmly gives the advantage of how that one works to Light, right? I mean, it could be interesting, sure, but it just seems overly risky. I mean, for the person who is L, if they are feeling extremely confident about being on their A-game, I suppose the option would make sense, but that seems like a big leap of faith for any other non-L detective to make.

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boo wrote:I'm kind of surprised people find the L/Light one so appealing. Light starts with BTSC with one other person and has the potential for more from the sounds of the team description. That to me firmly gives the advantage of how that one works to Light, right? I mean, it could be interesting, sure, but it just seems overly risky. I mean, for the person who is L, if they are feeling extremely confident about being on their A-game, I suppose the option would make sense, but that seems like a big leap of faith for any other non-L detective to make.

some linki, will post then read

The way I see it, having an idea at any given point of who L and Light decide to put on their list and leave off their list gives us the best chance of finding Kira. It may seem risky, allowing Kira to put his team on his list and therefore make sure their votes count at least for one, but if its played right, and if we think it through right, The L/Kira option could lead us into finding more evidence against mafia.

It does not say we know what they decide:

7) L and Light Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; however, not every player's vote counts. L secretly determines which half of the players' votes will count and which half will not count. Light does the same. The players that appear on both "count" lists have heavily weighted votes. Players on only one "count" list have a normal vote. Players who do not appear on either list will not have their votes counted.

Am I being obtuse (very realistic possibility)?

S~V~S wrote:It does not say we know what they decide:

7) L and Light Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; however, not every player's vote counts. L secretly determines which half of the players' votes will count and which half will not count. Light does the same. The players that appear on both "count" lists have heavily weighted votes. Players on only one "count" list have a normal vote. Players who do not appear on either list will not have their votes counted.

Am I being obtuse (very realistic possibility)?

We can figure out what they decide, is what I mean. Maybe not immediately, but the further on we go, these things can be put together if we do our homework.

Woo game! And intriguing start with it.

I was going to say I'd easily go with an experimental type of lynching for a pretty experimental game, out of which I'd prefer the L/Kira type over Secret or Nihilistic, which do not seem to me like they'd be of any help in vote analysis. But now there's a worrying detail about the L/Kira type and I'd like everyone to say if it makes sense or not:

Both L and Kira (note: I'll usually have the simple habit to refer to Light as Kira; if there are strong disagreements with this, I'll use Light) start in BTSC with another player (Watari/Ryuk); it's safe to assume both L and Kira will always add themselves and their companions in their choices. None of the sides have collective BTSC by default right now, but the Yotsuba and Kira groups are hinted to develop further in the game. I tend to believe the secrets to the roles will be very much related to the story / character traits, which means, and I hope it's no hinting in saying this, that L might get in touch with a couple more detectives, but over at Kira, his main sympathizers might either be handed DN (Death Notes) without finding out the identity of Kira, or gain contact with him. That would put the Kira camp in a bit more advantage, if the L/Kira lynch-type will truly be adopted over a long period of time.

Then again, L could compensate with his role-checking and be more aware than Kira on whom he should pick, over the same extended period of time.

But all this makes me less sure of the whole L/Kira type. It's the most temping, but also troublesome in figuring out which side is getting the advantage in it.

I can sleep on it, though (as in literally, past 1am here), and hear more thoughts before voting.

Major linkage: Ok, wow. I think a few just picked up on what I did too.

Those of us unfamiliar with the theme will like it better if you use the actual role names, please.

Kira is mentioned in his role name, though.

So why did you say you would use the role name if asked? There is no role named Kira, and it would be kind of you to use the role names for those of us unfamiliar with the theme, but if you don't want to then dont.

Ricochet wrote:Woo game! And intriguing start with it.

I was going to say I'd easily go with an experimental type of lynching for a pretty experimental game, out of which I'd prefer the L/Kira type over Secret or Nihilistic, which do not seem to me like they'd be of any help in vote analysis. But now there's a worrying detail about the L/Kira type and I'd like everyone to say if it makes sense or not:

Both L and Kira (note: I'll usually have the simple habit to refer to Light as Kira; if there are strong disagreements with this, I'll use Light) start in BTSC with another player (Watari/Ryuk); it's safe to assume both L and Kira will always add themselves and their companions in their choices. None of the sides have collective BTSC by default right now, but the Yotsuba and Kira groups are hinted to develop further in the game. I tend to believe the secrets to the roles will be very much related to the story / character traits, which means, and I hope it's no hinting in saying this, that L might get in touch with a couple more detectives, but over at Kira, his main sympathizers might either be handed DN (Death Notes) without finding out the identity of Kira, or gain contact with him. That would put the Kira camp in a bit more advantage, if the L/Kira lynch-type will truly be adopted over a long period of time.

Then again, L could compensate with his role-checking and be more aware than Kira on whom he should pick, over the same extended period of time.

But all this makes me less sure of the whole L/Kira type. It's the most temping, but also troublesome in figuring out which side is getting the advantage in it.

I can sleep on it, though (as in literally, past 1am here), and hear more thoughts before voting.

Major linkage: Ok, wow. I think a few just picked up on what I did too.

This is a good point, that both L and Light have at least one person they can trust to put on their lists (Watari/Ryuk) Along with themselves. And L's role check (having a percentage of who Kira could be) would be his biggest influence in picking his list, I assume. So there is a balance there. As Light gains his followers, L gains an idea of who to trust and therefore the lists start to take shape in a meaningful way.

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:I'm kind of surprised people find the L/Light one so appealing. Light starts with BTSC with one other person and has the potential for more from the sounds of the team description. That to me firmly gives the advantage of how that one works to Light, right? I mean, it could be interesting, sure, but it just seems overly risky. I mean, for the person who is L, if they are feeling extremely confident about being on their A-game, I suppose the option would make sense, but that seems like a big leap of faith for any other non-L detective to make.

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The way I see it, having an idea at any given point of who L and Light decide to put on their list and leave off their list gives us the best chance of finding Kira. It may seem risky, allowing Kira to put his team on his list and therefore make sure their votes count at least for one, but if its played right, and if we think it through right, The L/Kira option could lead us into finding more evidence against mafia.

I mean, I get where you're coming from, and your argument for it is pretty much the sum of what makes it a good option. I just think there are too many variables that make the risk of it higher than the reward. First, what happens if L dies (which, in the early game, seems more likely to me than a baddie with BTSC going down)? Maybe it passes down, maybe Light takes a ton of control, maybe it will just be for D1 so it doesn't matter, but that right off that bat is a big enough issue that I don't like or trust the option.

From his description, Light is manipulative, so lynch manipulation in the role would seem fitting. Then there's some BTSC with the potential of more (it sounds like). It just takes a lot less effort for Light to use that option to control lynches and get away with it (a few lynches in would give Light and L a far better idea of how the weighting works than it would the thread at large, and that information would then be open to be used to greater effect to a baddie team than a lone civvie imo).

I dunno, you're right that it could work, if L is really on top of things, manages to trust and mistrust the right people without actually giving anything anyway within the thread, predicts Light correctly to manage the list in the right way, and does all of that without painting a target on their back... but that seems a lot of pressure to put on one person, and if lynches were to be run that way the whole game, I just don't see it paying off. If it were a smaller and typical baddie team instead of a team of 7 (with another team of 7), L, assuming they did an awesome job, could feasibly play it how you're hoping for, in the best case scenario. But given the baddie team set up, it just doesn't seem possible to me (I mean, if you were L, would you want what you're hoping from them to be on them all game, assuming the option decides how lynches work the entire game), cause I really wouldn't.

S~V~S wrote:So why did you say you would use the role name if asked? There is no role named Kira, and it would be kind of you to use the role names for those of us unfamiliar with the theme, but if you don't want to then dont.

I will still use the real role name if asked. Light Yagami is Kira (meaning literally The Killer), so there is the role of Kira different from all the other Kira. I say no theme unfamiliarity with this, since it was mentioned in the role list, just a thing of habit I'm willing to correct.

Ricochet wrote:Kira is mentioned in his role name, though.

And 3 (at least?) other roles. It is confusing.

boo wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Kira is mentioned in his role name, though.

And 3 (at least?) other roles. It is confusing.

Kira is mentioned in his role (i.e. Light's). There is no other character going by simply Kira. Each Kira roles are specific.

But ok, I'm dropping this. Light it is.

Thank You

Why are you guys saying L and Watari have BTSC? The role just says Watari knows L's identity, which to me implies Watari knows who has the role of L, not that L knows who Watari is or has a line of communication open with them.

boo wrote:Why are you guys saying L and Watari have BTSC? The role just says Watari knows L's identity, which to me implies Watari knows who has the role of L, not that L knows who Watari is or has a line of communication open with them.

It's not mentioned officially, but I have the strong feel their secrets include BTSC, stemming from the theme. Besides, how else can Watari properly "help him [L} run the logistics of his operation"?

I love that Ricochet is already ruffling SVS's feathers. This is going to be a good game.

thellama73 wrote:I love that Ricochet is already ruffling SVS's feathers. This is going to be a good game.

Yes, on a three-game streak now. Can't wait for you to say you think I'm bad by default.

I see that I put the cart before the horse on this poll.

Well, I don't regret my vote. Increased activity is a good thing in a game. I can see how it would hinder some players though, especially those who don't have the ability to post often and daily. Each method certainly has its positives and negatives.

Linki: Who said they have BTSC?

Linki 2: lol llama. I don't think I've ruffled her feathers... yet...

Ricochet wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I love that Ricochet is already ruffling SVS's feathers. This is going to be a good game.

Yes, on a three-game streak now. Can't wait for you to say you think I'm bad by default.

I think you're bad.

I now realize I've stated in my initial post that L and Watari would "start out" with BTSC. I'm sorry about this. I have no knowledge of this of course, only that Watari knowing L's identity and helping out made me jump to the conclusion they would make BTS contact.

Ricochet wrote:Woo game! And intriguing start with it.

I was going to say I'd easily go with an experimental type of lynching for a pretty experimental game, out of which I'd prefer the L/Kira type over Secret or Nihilistic, which do not seem to me like they'd be of any help in vote analysis. But now there's a worrying detail about the L/Kira type and I'd like everyone to say if it makes sense or not:

Both L and Kira (note: I'll usually have the simple habit to refer to Light as Kira; if there are strong disagreements with this, I'll use Light) start in BTSC with another player (Watari/Ryuk); it's safe to assume both L and Kira will always add themselves and their companions in their choices. None of the sides have collective BTSC by default right now, but the Yotsuba and Kira groups are hinted to develop further in the game. I tend to believe the secrets to the roles will be very much related to the story / character traits, which means, and I hope it's no hinting in saying this, that L might get in touch with a couple more detectives, but over at Kira, his main sympathizers might either be handed DN (Death Notes) without finding out the identity of Kira, or gain contact with him. That would put the Kira camp in a bit more advantage, if the L/Kira lynch-type will truly be adopted over a long period of time.

Then again, L could compensate with his role-checking and be more aware than Kira on whom he should pick, over the same extended period of time.

But all this makes me less sure of the whole L/Kira type. It's the most temping, but also troublesome in figuring out which side is getting the advantage in it.

I can sleep on it, though (as in literally, past 1am here), and hear more thoughts before voting.

Major linkage: Ok, wow. I think a few just picked up on what I did too.

I don't understand the purpose this kind of speculating has. Damn near every role has secrets.

Major linkage? You are no good sir.

Ricochet wrote:

boo wrote:Why are you guys saying L and Watari have BTSC? The role just says Watari knows L's identity, which to me implies Watari knows who has the role of L, not that L knows who Watari is or has a line of communication open with them.

It's not mentioned officially, but I have the strong feel their secrets include BTSC, stemming from the theme. Besides, how else can Watari properly "help him [L} run the logistics of his operation"?

Right, I just don't see that assumption being the best to make when we flat out know that Light has BTSC already and therefore has someone to rely on, while we do not actually know L has the same. Just seems like a way of trying to sell the option you like more in a way that isn't entirely honest.

For me, those two roles feel more like L either gets BTSC with Watari if in searching for Light he checks Watari, and/or Watari helps L by (for example) taking the hit if someone tried to NK L. If it was more civ BTSC like Raye and Naomi have, I think it would be similarly flat out stated.