The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:13 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

I am going to flip town when I am lynched.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:13 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

I am going to flip town when I am lynched.

I'm gonna guess nobody here got nutella's flip, hmmm?

Sure. And her role could not flip someone whose role was on her team. She was on LC's team. And why would they waste their role on making someone look civ? She had no idea she was going to die.

Leaping to that assumption is opportunistic to the max.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:18 pm And congrats on two baddies, Pikachus!

How did Marmot get lynched? What did he do?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm What does "Fed him to us like veal" mean?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:35 pm Well that looked dumb since my first message didn't go through, so I'll put them together.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 pm So what do people think of Scotty?

My initial view of him as he entered our humble hut was positive. My current view is still positive, but I have a minor concern, namely that he swiftly voted for me at the slightest suggestion from DH that I am bad.

Now, I'm sure DH will tell you that I did the same thing when Sloonei told me I should vote for Marmot, but, you know, he was bad.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

See? This. This garbage right here.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

I would have to be Jesus for you to believe I'm a civilian, and even then, you would crucify me. I'm not wasting my time with you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:35 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

Your complaint is about my vote Day 1.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 pm Yeah it was.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

From this thread.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

From this thread.

Thanks I forgot to vote in the poll.

I think you just voted in the thread and then the hosts made the poll after that.

I think that he voted in the poll and then his vote was deleted when I removed dead people from the poll.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:53 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

What? Being able to publically confirm somebody's alignment and role is of no benefit to town?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

I diasagree.

I disagree with your premise, and I doubly disagree that your assumption of it makes it a foregone conclusion as shown in your use of "Ergo". "Ergo" implies a logical proof or succession of thought, and your opinion is not such (neither is mine).

You are never going to agree with me, but I am right. And I hope you admit to it when this is done.

I am gonna be stuck in Snowmageddon traffic for a few hours, but will be home in plenty of time to catch up.

@Scotty, fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

Becasue you seem to be the one not taking everything into account and just believing what you want to believe.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

But you do think you can lynch Chuck based on the Nutella flip? But you don't think you can associate the two of them without Chuck being lynched first. Am I correct about that?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:35 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:30 pm *what would WE learn

A) there is most likely a civ/true revealer
B) someone pushing the narrative that speed is bad is probably disengenuous. Yes, that includes me.
C) we can use a lot of speed’s reads as canon, because he’s lookin pretty civ otherwise

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:22 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 pm I am glad I don't know any naked cactus people

You should be. They're all pricks.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:22 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 pm I am glad I don't know any naked cactus people

You should be. They're all pricks.

This fucker got "funniest poster"?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:00 pm I love how the Pikachus are like "ok, now all we gotta do is relax and let the Cerberii lynch Speedchuck like they should"

Huh? DH is kind of spearheading this movement.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:06 pm Seven votes on wilgy? Holy shit guys.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:46 pm You have to complain about that little stab don't you

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:59 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

'

It was a team effort.

Just you know...*my* team, so.

SpaceDaisy

wtf did you @ mention me for here?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:12 pm Listen--

I'm always ready to be a slut for discussion.... but the amount of talk about someone we cannot lynch today and the blind bandwagon on another player makes me uneasy.

Daisy-- I saw that the case is mostly based on meta-- is that correct?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.