The Syndicate

I have bourbon and opinions. Both of them are neat.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm I have bourbon and opinions. Both of them are neat.
I implore you to share one of these with the thread. The choice is yours.

What's your address for the bourbon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm I have bourbon and opinions. Both of them are neat.
I implore you to share one of these with the thread. The choice is yours.
What's your address for the bourbon?
Buffalo

Perfect. I'll send you a Bill.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion

Because your suggestion is fishing. Your suggestion is impossible to implement without Felicity knowing who Rip Hunter is. Your suggestion is manure.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:23 pm Hi I'm new how do I play?

Vote where I vote and use your role power on the person I say to use it on.

Welcome aboard.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm I have bourbon and opinions. Both of them are neat.
I implore you to share one of these with the thread. The choice is yours.
What's your address for the bourbon?
Buffalo
Perfect. I'll send you a Bill.

I think you’ve had enough.

Haven't the Bills had enough?

Boom.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:25 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion
Because your suggestion is fishing. Your suggestion is impossible to implement without Felicity knowing who Rip Hunter is. Your suggestion is manure.
Read the role, poopyhead.

"Felicity is a tech genius. Once in the game she can submit a role to the host to find out who has the role."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion
Because people are cautious about engaging in role-specific chatter this early in the game. It’s not a bad proposal. I haven’t looked close enough at the role list to say whether or not it’s the best.
Well, look.

I know what the role says.

I spoke bourbonese.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

I'm torn on you.

That you are advocating the use of a civilian role to find an independent is fishy.

Have you read Rip's role? His faction has to outnumber the mafia. That means Rip's crew is not mafia aligned. Rip's crew would have an incentive to lynch mafia. I like Rip's crew.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:23 pm Hi I'm new how do I play?
idk, how do you play?
Only one forward for pawn; any horizontally or vertically for rook; L shape for knight; any diagonally for bishop; any horizontally, vertically or diagonally for queen; and one horizontally, vertically or diagonally for king.

I dig this cat.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:25 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion
Because your suggestion is fishing. Your suggestion is impossible to implement without Felicity knowing who Rip Hunter is. Your suggestion is manure.
Read the role, poopyhead.

"Felicity is a tech genius. Once in the game she can submit a role to the host to find out who has the role."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion
Because people are cautious about engaging in role-specific chatter this early in the game. It’s not a bad proposal. I haven’t looked close enough at the role list to say whether or not it’s the best.
Well, look.
I know what the role says.

I spoke bourbonese.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
I'm torn on you.

That you are advocating the use of a civilian role to find an independent is fishy.

Have you read Rip's role? His faction has to outnumber the mafia. That means Rip's crew is not mafia aligned. Rip's crew would have an incentive to lynch mafia. I like Rip's crew.
Well, my incentive with Rip is moreso that he's a cult than for explicit balance reasons, though I do think he's a net - to town.

With a cult running around converting literally whoever they want, we cannot trust any single player in the game. That's bad. Multiball is already enough of a clusterfuck, I'd rather do without that.

Being able to recruit is basically a factional kill anyway but worse

If Rip can take anybody, it's a factional "kill" that can take mafia or other independents.

It's Day 0. Rip doesn't do anything until Day 2. Let us focus on the threats du jour rather than become paranoid early on about a possible independent threat.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:44 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 pm Now if the host comes out and says something like that is a no go, that's one thing. Though as a host myself, I feel like that's a gray area.

But if we can do it I don't see why it wouldn't work. The buy in would be "if you stick to the plan town benefits", so if you're not in you're automatically suspect. Then we proceed to get a D1 lynch of any role we want to.
I am not the host but based on my years of experience on this site, I think that your proposal would be considered a violation.

As for my strategic objection: I think that the most important weapon a civilian has is their vote. A plan which involves have everybody abstain from voting on Day 1 is essentially waving the white flag on Day 1. Mafia get to kill somebody before we've tried to lynch them, and the activity that would normally take place on Day 1 is delayed until Day 2.

Absolutely.

Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.
Strawmanning my proposition. Scummy.

Your posts have been straw. No man involved whatsoever.

Yeah, I don't suspect Ultra. I don't agree with Ultra, but there's nothing in those posts that lead me to believe he's not trying to get one over on anyone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.
I would speculate that Ultra probably just comes from a community that's more accustomed to roleclaiming and mechanical hijinks than we are. He's thinking outside the box and, like speedchuck said before me, he's being very proactive and throwing himself into the thick of things right off the bat here, which contrasts with his Scrimmage entry.

I think he's town. He's just looking at the game from a different vantage point than the Syndicate is used to.

I took a piss and came back thinking the same. See above.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:54 pm Yeah, I don't suspect Ultra. I don't agree with Ultra, but there's nothing in those posts that lead me to believe he's not trying to get one over on anyone.

Bourbonese.

Trying to get one over on anyone.

I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

I think it's best if people who have a question for the host PM DFaraday about the matter. If he feels the need to comment publicly, he can do so.

I think you allow Felicia to determine that.

Oh man, when Felicia dies, I get to say BYE FELICIA.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:04 pm I think you allow Felicia to determine that.
Can you see how the reflexive suggestion to "just let the info roles do their own thing man" in a no claim/info set up is kinda suspicious.

No.

Whatever information civilians telegraph in the thread is information the mafia have. There is no advantage.

I cut my teeth here. DFaraday games are my kind of game. I want the civilians to use their roles in accordance with their best judgment. Some of the roles in this setup would make even me nervous if I were bad.

Let them do their job. If you are good, your job is to help lynch mafia.

My man Sloonei.

That's two people I have the hots for.

Anybody else want to give me the hots tonight?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:11 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:04 pm I think you allow Felicia to determine that.
Can you see how the reflexive suggestion to "just let the info roles do their own thing man" in a no claim/info set up is kinda suspicious.
No.

Whatever information civilians telegraph in the thread is information the mafia have. There is no advantage.

I cut my teeth here. DFaraday games are my kind of game. I want the civilians to use their roles in accordance with their best judgment. Some of the roles in this setup would make even me nervous if I were bad.

Let them do their job. If you are good, your job is to help lynch mafia.
Finding a way to broadcast peeks itt is beneficial to scum. Ok.

I'll drop this point when I'm satisfied that there's no avenue here to extract valuable info from info roles. But I have not played a no claim set up with cops because, quite frankly, it's very awkward and defies the point of including them. For example, the felicia player or whoever else could drop hints or breadcrumb but I would assume that's also against the rules if my proposition is.

So when I see you suggest "let them sort it out", you're effectively saying "do nothing"

This has been the setup on The Syndicate for years. It isn't the case so much anymore, but DFaraday is a relic here.

I'll speak plainly: I am not one bit concerned with using info roles or worrying about what Night actions people perform.

I am going to enjoy an old school classic Syndicate YOU USED AN ADVERB and enjoy myself in the bargain.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 pm Let's decide whether or not a thing is pingworthy, gang.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:02 pm @Ultra what does your scum hunting look like? What types of games are you used to playing, mechanics/setup-wise? What kind of pizza did you get earlier?
This is, like, the opposite of what I saw last game.

Also hi guys
What did you see last game?
Ultra has hesitant to interact with the thread, which is why I voted him D1. He spoke mostly to Nova, who was answering whatever was thrown his way. Some weird dependent thing.

This game, Ultra has already made a hot take and claimed that he's going to flex on the thread (not hesitant), and you're buzzing him with questions as if he needs the help. (Where Nova was just whatever about it)

Enough for an early townread on Ultra. Not sure what to think of all your questions yet. Feels kinda like fluff, but it's also something you do with new players.
The highlighted portion feels tacked on and arbitrary. Speedchuck has shared a straightforward read about Ultra when prompted. He then adds a nothing read on Sloonei which acknowledges that he is observing Regular Sloonei Behavior, but quibbles over it anyway. Why does this non-read on Sloonei exist?

Because he's bad. Probably. Let's hang him. Maybe.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.
Eh?

Do you...object to me suspecting Matahari?

Or do you object to me not suspecting Ultra?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:31 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:44 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 pm Now if the host comes out and says something like that is a no go, that's one thing. Though as a host myself, I feel like that's a gray area.

But if we can do it I don't see why it wouldn't work. The buy in would be "if you stick to the plan town benefits", so if you're not in you're automatically suspect. Then we proceed to get a D1 lynch of any role we want to.
I am not the host but based on my years of experience on this site, I think that your proposal would be considered a violation.

As for my strategic objection: I think that the most important weapon a civilian has is their vote. A plan which involves have everybody abstain from voting on Day 1 is essentially waving the white flag on Day 1. Mafia get to kill somebody before we've tried to lynch them, and the activity that would normally take place on Day 1 is delayed until Day 2.
The plan would only have everyone abstain until the felicia player casts their first vote. Not sustain for the entire day. We would get a D1 scum lynch. Sorry if that was not clear.
......even with all the other problems, this would never work. You just expect to assume the first player to vote is that role? Not a random scum voting for a town to get everyone to pile their votes on and go on their merry way?

I feel like you just didn't even think that through
Uh, no.

It would be just like a cop vs cop fake claim scenario. If scum wants to fake claim, they get contested by the felicia player. We know one of them is scum, and one of them is felicia. We could lynch between the two and in fact, if the peeked scum is different than the fake claiming scum (likely), that's two right there.

I thought it through very well thank you very much

There's no claiming in this game.

Trust me on this: If you want to hone your Mafia skills, a classic Syndicate game like this one is worth your while. No claims, no info- just stare into people's souls on the Internet.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:37 pm Trust me on this: If you want to hone your Mafia skills, a classic Syndicate game like this one is worth your while. No claims, no info- just stare into people's souls on the Internet.
Philosophical disagreement since claiming, fake claiming, info complexity aid depth to games. I'm totally for copless games but no claim is weird for me. I'll adapt though.

I happen to agree. Roll with it though.

I've got Ultra and Sloonei as civilians. Anybody else want to join the party?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:46 pm Though, I appreciate the universal town read, and if we can find townies, it goes a long way

Shit we just got Ultra recruited.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.
Eh?
Do you...object to me suspecting Matahari?

Or do you object to me not suspecting Ultra?
No I'm wondering why you brought up Matahari. I'm not objecting, just kind of perplexed and wanting elaboration.

I can suspect anyone I like. I'm eccentric.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:47 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:46 pm Though, I appreciate the universal town read, and if we can find townies, it goes a long way
Shit we just got Ultra recruited.
Shit. Maybe I should start scumming ahead of time in anticipation.

Rip has an incentive to recruit bad people though.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:52 pm On that note I still strongly recommend that felicity targets rip hunter and try and hint/breadcrumb as much as they can in the confines of the rules.

Anyone disagree?

Yes.

Ultra, my concern with you remains: You are fixated on Rip. There are five mafia to lynch. Rip does nothing until Night 2. Are the five killers not a concern to you? If they are, why are you not about sorting who they may be?

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:01 am Ultra, my concern with you remains: You are fixated on Rip. There are five mafia to lynch. Rip does nothing until Night 2. Are the five killers not a concern to you? If they are, why are you not about sorting who they may be?
I can't emphasize enough how much I'm triggered by cults. I already admitted it isn't an entirely balance concern for me so much as that I feel like, between the 8 starting scum and potential for recruitment, we can easily get very close to a minority town situation while the game continues, and at that point, it's somewhat unenjoyable to play.

I only appear fixated because we have one super peek from felicia. So ofc I'm going to bring up the biggest priority.

The Sk is another potential target but they can absorb a lynch which is pretty annoying

All right. I buy that.

I'm going to bed.

I just remembered there is another workday in this godforsaken week.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:39 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:43 pm I've got Ultra and Sloonei as civilians. Anybody else want to join the party?
I don't feel good about how easy you are giving Sloonei a townpass.

I don't care about your feelings.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:45 am Epi giving Sloonei a town pass already shits me off.

No it doesn't.

There are two mafia teams and a last man standing independent. Your post isn't even an accusation. This is fuel for a potential accusation.

Mac is bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:11 pm Jackofhearts2005 would you mind having a still image for an avatar for once. the fast movement makes it really hard for me to focus on reading posts
That is the entire point of moving avatars.
Well if you insist on that it's anti-town.

I thought this was in praise of Jack's dynamic avatars. How serious was this complaint?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.

Don't forget to breath?

That's a noun.

I can't noun.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am
Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:38 am Damn those classes bore me to the bone
What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?
Yes, Epi and MafiaMenace.
I assume they stand out as mafia reads/pings.

Why? I think you've talked about/with MafiaMenace a bit, but I haven't seen much discussion of Epi.
He (Epi) seemed to be just aiming to do non-standoutish posts.

The hedge-to-content ratio of that sentence makes me want to stab out my eyes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:59 pm GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.

Yet you're not doing that civilian thing.

Instead you're shitting on my effort at finding civilians and shitting on Sloonei's effort to coordinate something.

When you've finished cleaning yourself up and washing your hands, I'd like to see some serious civilian play from you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:04 pm Nope. I am not down. Sharing baseless and contextless thoughts right now has minor benefit for a possibility of suppressing good conversation. The Mafia don't even have anything to dodge here. They can say whatever because on day 0 and GTH nobody will hold them to account later. If you want to know who people suspect just read the thread.

It sounds to me like you are struggling to fake scum hunt.
A reminder:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:19 pm Here's Mac tinfoiling me in the GoC. I was town.
Here's Mac tinfoiling me in A World Asunder. I was town. He was not.
Here's Mac tinfoiling me in Mega Man. I was town.
Here's Mac tinfoiling me in IASIP. I am town.

Weren't you mafia last time you used this defence against me? Why'd you leave out the times I tinfoiled you when you were bad?

Mac plays the broken clock.

He does it with me too, except he's a really broken clock because his hands have fallen off and he's never ever right.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:26 pm Sloonei giving Epi unearned town read. Epi giving Sloonei unearned town read.

Computer says no.

Unearned? Isn't earning civilian credit the way mafia have been winning left and right?

And how does one even earn civilian credit in a two mafia game?

Computer says:

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:33 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:29 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:27 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MM, what was the point of this post? Were you answering someone, because I couldn’t find anything that indicated that.

Crap ton of linki
Okay, I can see the Matahari scumread earlier.
How so?
I didn't like that post ftr.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:34 pm my roommate just moved out. I can breathe.

You mean "breath."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:41 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:04 pm Oh man, when Felicia dies, I get to say BYE FELICIA.
Scummi epigtoastis
Gth would Epi enjoy the movie Friday?

I started watching it and quit about thirty minutes of the way through.

I don't have to watch or hear something to know a phrase exists and understand the context.

It's kind of a high school teacher's super power.

Or curse.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:11 pm Jackofhearts2005 would you mind having a still image for an avatar for once. the fast movement makes it really hard for me to focus on reading posts
That is the entire point of moving avatars.
Well if you insist on that it's anti-town.
I thought this was in praise of Jack's dynamic avatars. How serious was this complaint?
It was serious. I know he's proud of his gif skills and that's great but it is highly distracting.

That surprises me.

How long have you been playing with Jack? I've never seen this complaint before.

People keep saying MM and it makes me sad.

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