The Syndicate

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:40 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Indeed. No infodumping at all. But there are still ways to use those types of roles.

It's still a handicap though

Going to be rough pulling off a town victory here unless the scum factions completely cannibalize each other

but there's also two different recruiters

so

fek

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:43 pm I've got Ultra and Sloonei as civilians. Anybody else want to join the party?

I don't feel good about how easy you are giving Sloonei a townpass.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:44 am So far I feel ok about speedchuck and ultra. Sloonei, nutella, Epi and MafiaMenace ping me. Sloonei mostly. He doesn't seem sincere but if I am right he'll tie himself in knots eventually so keep posting Sloo Sloo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:47 am Ultra is town.

Sloonei hasn't done enough to warrant trust yeah but so far he is okay. Don't feel like lynching him. He is a bit trickier to read compared to Jay (his mafia twin) because civ Jay tends to be suffocating, while civ Sloonei is a bit more contained in that regard. He leads but he doesn't completely dominate the thread.

Nutella feels good but I want more time to be sure.

Mac feels good but my Macdar is currently in the trash and I'm waiting for the new one to arrive in my mail.

Epi is whatever, he is saying cold hard truths but mafia can do that just fine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 pm Let's decide whether or not a thing is pingworthy, gang.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:02 pm @Ultra what does your scum hunting look like? What types of games are you used to playing, mechanics/setup-wise? What kind of pizza did you get earlier?

This is, like, the opposite of what I saw last game.

Also hi guys

What did you see last game?

Ultra has hesitant to interact with the thread, which is why I voted him D1. He spoke mostly to Nova, who was answering whatever was thrown his way. Some weird dependent thing.

This game, Ultra has already made a hot take and claimed that he's going to flex on the thread (not hesitant), and you're buzzing him with questions as if he needs the help. (Where Nova was just whatever about it)

Enough for an early townread on Ultra. Not sure what to think of all your questions yet. Feels kinda like fluff, but it's also something you do with new players.

The highlighted portion feels tacked on and arbitrary. Speedchuck has shared a straightforward read about Ultra when prompted. He then adds a nothing read on Sloonei which acknowledges that he is observing Regular Sloonei Behavior, but quibbles over it anyway. Why does this non-read on Sloonei exist?

Cause he doesn’t know your alignment yet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am Nutella’s probably scum for saying only obvious shit but I couldn’t find a pokemon gif that expresses this.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:55 pm Here is why Jack is scum

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:54 pm Nutella you are summarising my sus on Epi as "he js giving out town reads" when I clearly said it was because he is giving Sloonei a townpass too easily.

You then took your abridged version and likened the reason I have a ping on him to my own recent Mafia play. Well I never said offering town reads was pingy or a scumtell or any such thing. You appear to be trying to force a scum read of me. Your apprehension is also visible.

If you are trying to force a scum read on me. Why?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:54 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:48 pm

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nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:46 pm Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:49 am This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

Are you saying Mac was scum reading Epi because of the same thing he’s saying here?

Or is it that Mac was also easily handing out townreads.

Re: MM
What looked like it came from scum?

The first one.


re: mm, I'll have to look back but (a) not being as worried about the cult as ultra was, and (b) miscounting the kpn (could be faked ignorance or could be that his understanding was skewed for some other reason). and (c) just more generally he seems quite focused on the scum team mechanics as a topic (not counting Vig/SK in kpn for instance)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:59 pm GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:40 pm If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

They're not. People have made me talk most about my MM suspicion but it is the weakest of the three, and the others are not mechanics-related.

I always react more than create. You know that. I still have original reads to the extent that I normally would at this stage. Your reason is empty. This is a poopybarf read.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:52 pm But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:26 pm @Dragon D. Luffy I'd like to see more thoughts from you.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:26 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:13 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:11 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:06 pm
oh i swear to god
most people currently are unreadable because their posts are nai, so im choosing to work on a strategic standpoint

a, i already said that the legends arent the issue in the earlygame
b, how is this a point?
c, my entire mechanics argument was focused on the fucking sk, so what the fuck are you talking about

MM can you elaborate on the strategic standpoint you are working on? I'm not clear I know what you mean.

linki

looking at how to use prs
but im mostly focused on felicity

sorry, what is prs?

and hi LC!

power roles (anything but citizen)
since this is a role madness game this is probably the wrong word to use

Ok so you are focused on how the civs can deal with the non-civ power roles and how Felicity's pr fits in to that strategy? I know this seems picky but I'm just trying to understand your focus so I can better determine if your actions are civ or not.

Iinki again - don't even have time to get my thoughts straight before there's more to think about

How did you get here with this idea? Like where did he say that he’s focused on how civs can deal with non-civs?

Like i see point a, and c respectively, but what happened to b?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

This would be angleshooting and would be a violation of rules. And there’s no way to get players to buy in. And it is absolutely not worth the loss of civilian votes on Day 1. This plan would set us way back.

I propose we stick to the gameplan of making noise and hunting scum.

I see nothing wrong with his plan. I don't see how it sets us way back when we literally get a free scum outed D1 for the vig to shoot at the next NP and we'll still use our reads and whatnot to lynch someone else D1. The only problem is I guess angleshooting which I fail to see.

I really ain't liking this post Sloonei. I ain't liking a lot of your posts tbh. Your questions at Ultra are pinging me the wrong. Like scum tryna get a feel for his opponent to know if to be wary of them or not or maybe kill them. I mean if you want to know how he plays as town, just watch him play from D1 forth. His answers won't really tell me you much.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:36 am Here is what I envision:

No mechanics talk Day 1. Day 0 had that.

People post their opinion about every single person in the thread. If you have no opinion, make one up.

Nobody tells others how to use their powers at Night. That's secret civilian business shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:50 am I'm trying to tell you all:

Get ready for an experience. The Syndicate makes you a hard ass Mafia player who doesn't require "info" to win.

We're the real deal.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:51 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:45 am I don't feign nonchalance my dude, that doesn't even sound possible. I'm just chill

Aight. Let's assume both of us are town for a while. I can do that. I want to do that. A game where nutella is town is infinitely preferable to one where she's not.

You've talked a lot about Matahari but I'm still not sure I'm on board with them (her?) as a primary suspect. Can you explain why I should give priority to that case?

A lot of it is my own gut reaction to the way that she is posting so I can't necessarily convey all of why I am giving it so much weight, but in general she has stayed out of most discussions/been avoidant and only showed her face when her name was brought up. To be fair she is participating a bit more now and she explained more about her approach to analyzing the thread and implied she would have some content/takes on people soonish so I will keep on the lookout for that and see if my feelings on her change.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:59 am

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:55 am That's a 65% serious post btw

I mean, just look at that

I do not see the basis for that specific accusation.

Mac's characteristic lack of restraint in accusing everyone as scum fits with the perspective of an Indi, since he could be on the mark but can afford collateral damage. SK's aggressively hunting early is somewhat of a tell in normal set ups, and I think that would be moreso the case here.

But in addition the "You're mafia, he's mafia", comes off as a mindset slip. Because he's not mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:38 pm At this point I'd to apologize to all of the sensible people who decided not to take Day 0 seriously. You shouldn't have this much content to worry about. I am a big dumb idiot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:41 am [VOTE: Cooler] aubergine

Cooler wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:12 am

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:50 am I've been slanking a bit the last day or so but I promise I'll buckle down.

Voted Lux over Nutella because the former looks scummier at a surface level. And I haven't paid close enough attention to have confidence to push my own wagon atm

This is a rather bland and vague way to justify voting for someone. Basically sounds like you've gone for the easy choice while throwing in a nice little excuse for bandwagoning.

You're paying enough attention to say Lux looks scummier than Nutella but not enough to have your own thoughts on the game? Any other players on your suss list?

This is the most cherrypicked, obligatory suspicion I’ve ever seen. Creature says nothing for a long time but then picks this post out of the rubble to say unkind things about. Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:27 pm Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:50 pm Username - Posts
Sloonei - 350
Luxurious - 230
Dragomir - 135
nutella - 135
Epignosis - 117
Creature - 104
Jackofhearts2005 - 100
Ultra - 99
MacDougall - 70
MafiaMenace - 45
speedchuck - 45
juliets - 41
DrWilgy - 29
Long Con - 22
Matahari - 22
Dragon D. Luffy - 21
DFaraday - 10
sprityo - 9
Cooler - 7
sabie12 - 6
Spacedaisy - 3
dunya - 2
JaggedJimmyJay - 1

Now that I've noticed it (thanks Dragomir), I don't particularly like that all the suspicion in the thread/poll seems to be directed at the top posters. Legend has it that it's difficult to post hundreds of times as scum, and doesn't happen all that often.

Why is Lux under heavy suspicion?

speed one reason for the Lux suspicions (though not the only reason) was that whole thing about whether she scum slipped when she mentioned one bad team instead of two. The thinking was she did that because she's on one of the teams, therefore from her perspective there is just one (other) bad team. Someone who believes this to be the case (I don't think it was a scum slip) might be able to explain it better than me.

This is silly.

Town who doesn’t read the rules: Thinks there is one scum team.
Scum who doesn’t read the rules: Thinks there is one scum team.
Town who reads the rules: Knows there are two scum teams.
Scum who reads the rules: Knows there are two scum teams.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:27 pm Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

I think that kind of accusation is pretty common from civ Cooler tbh.

He's a pretty aggro player who tends to start cases easily. And he has being wrong about me like half a dozen times so I'm used to him not being exactly fair with his cases.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:27 pm Town: sabie
Mafia: Cooler

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:32 pm This speed lynch feels like fun and games.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:50 pm I'll join juliets on Cooler. [VOTE: Cooler] aubergine

His meagre ISO has been discussed. That tepid attack on Ultra was tres lame.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:06 pm Funny enough, I'm not super sus of cooler

I can totally see it sure with his abysmal vote count

But I feel like his response to my post wasn't really tooo slank if he just hadn't caught up and only responded to the latest thing he saw

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:26 pm Crap so sorry i missed EOD ugh I was out having dinner and my phone battery was running out. I kind of suck being in two games this week and being busy at the most inconvenient times

Try using low power mode and turn off pokemon go.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:55 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:06 pm Funny enough, I'm not super sus of cooler

I can totally see it sure with his abysmal vote count

But I feel like his response to my post wasn't really tooo slank if he just hadn't caught up and only responded to the latest thing he saw

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:22 pm Checked Cooler's games on NF and he seems to be more active as both alignments although I'd venture to say inactivity here is slightly more scum telling

Lol yes Cooler's 5 posts were telling.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:45 pmCooler it is

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:06 pm Just vote cooler. We can resolve nut/lux tomorrow

Not rocket science

but coordinating wagons are hard when you have like 40% scum density

probably more at EoD

Oh now Cooler is the obv lynch.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:06 pm Cooler hasn't voted yet, Nutella is poised to self preservation vote and Luxurious can also self preservation vote. If any of these are mislynches it's 100% Cooler.

You are absolutely full of it, but I'm impressed.

TMI

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:07 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:06 pm Cooler hasn't voted yet, Nutella is poised to self preservation vote and Luxurious can also self preservation vote. If any of these are mislynches it's 100% Cooler.

You are absolutely full of it, but I'm impressed.

What a strange comment. Let's CFD this guy.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

How about I CFD you, considering you've been blathering like a baboon this game and basically open scumming, and accusing absolutely anyone you want just because people let you for whatever reason

Also calling your scum buddy from last game "this guy"

Abandon teammate wagon 101.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:04 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:59 pm Agreed, Mac!

That "Checked Cooler's games on NF and he seems to be more active as both alignments although I'd venture to say inactivity here is slightly more scum telling" is wish-to-the-wash in all the wrong ways.

What about DDL and his "Save Cooler" campaign? It worked on me if I weren't so irresponsible.

DDL would be a tier two possibility. Ultra, Dragomir and Epignosis are much more likely.

I see what you're saying. DDL might be a bit too blatant to be a teammate.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:32 am Dragomir isn't much on my list. Can you elaborate Mr. Wilgy?

Well... This is mostly action based reading.

Yesterday diring the scramble, mataharis wagon formed I beleive after Hazlenut, Lux, and Coolers.

I think it's very likely that Mataharis wagon formed in response to cooler being up to lynch making them likely teammate incompatible. (This is of course could also apply to Mattaharis relationship with Lux and Hazlenut if they are bad).

One of the key pushers for this was Dragomir and at the time I couldn't blame him. Matahari looked scrambling and I agreed. Though in this exchange I asked Dargomir who was the 2nd most scrambly (which many were, it wasn't a trick question) to which he responded idk.

This indicates to me that dragomir was not hunting, more so pushing. Answering anyone would've indicated hunting and analysis, but that was not done.

Dragomir was in effort to save a teammate.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 1:53 am The only thing this discussion makes me think is that neither jack or epi are on that team

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:51 am Idk how I feel about mata's defense. She keeps chalking everything up to "the new way" but I don't get now that excuses her nonsensical progression on lux. Seems like a contrived excuse for a poorly handled teammate interaction.

[VOTE: Matahari] aubergine