The Syndicate

Hey, all! Was too tired to mafia by the time I got home last night, but glad to be here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:00 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:54 am though the two roles thing will probably extend things anyways so maybe that's realistic?

Another possibility that crossed my mind is that, as players die, they will either change trbes or be sent to the "main" game thread.

But this is why I askes about tribal mechanics in Survivor Mafia. I didn't play in the game and don't feel like looking it up, so I'm hoping someone who was there can explain it to me. Scotty was the game's host, I believe.

Scotty already chimed in, but I'll add for those who didn't look at the game at all: we were in 2 tribes. We competed for team rewards, as well as for immunity (which team would have to lynch someone). Not sure how much of that will be true here, if this is from that game (don't know of another tribe game this year, assuming survivor unless someone else names a possible other game).

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:27 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:19 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:15 am are there any other game setups that seem to be referenced here? it seems like at the very least we have Chicka Chicka with The Button and reviving into different roles and apparently survivor with the tribes?

The idea for the GOC’s is that literally every game from last year is welded together into a giant monstrosity. Expect a whole lotta game references.

that's beautiful.

was there any other weird shit that happened this year that I should be aware of? I missed out on about 9 months of it

Yeah I haven’t even been on since i took a breather in May (or was it June idk). I could read through all the old threads but I don’t have the time for that unfortunately.


We see Tina Wesson who was the doctor role in Survivor, doing a similar job here but against a virus. That’s new. I also wouldn’t be surprised if her opposite is a mafia member and randomly placed on the other tribe. There has to be some sort of randomness here with roles that counterbalance each other.

Wasn't Tina working against a virus in survivor, as well? I remember because I had it, but the doctor was on the other tribe. Or are you just making a distinction between virus and poison? I had both during the game, I think.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:11 pm GREETINGS EARTH PRIMATES
THIS SETUP AMUSES ME
HA-HA! HA! HA! HA!

Hello G-Man hi!
So happy to see you here,
Hope you will play soon.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:13 pm Days 1 are kinda
hard to figure out. Now I'm
out of syllables.

Why are you posting
in haiku? Wasn't that for
before the game start?

Or are you just getting it in for good measure?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:06 pm How about a real, sort of substantiated case?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:15 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:45 pm This tribe cannot win. We do not have JaggedJimmyJay, there's no use trying.

hmmmm a defeatist attitude you must be mafia.

Opportunistic reaching. Must be town.

sig appeared to be trying to initiate some gameplay, but this was where his prod of me led. Nothing really came out of this, so it feels like a hollow post.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:03 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

No bad sloonie bad boy no treats for you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:36 pm Sig has 6 posts, but outside of an empty mudfling in my direction none of them have really contributed much.

It's day one, I don't have much to say.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:40 pm [VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

@sig what do you think of my vote?

I think it was odd, I don't see your case on INH and I'd rather not lynch him day 1. I also kind off agree most of the time day 1 is a shot in the dark.

Slaps me on the wrist for voting him. Okay. Shrugs about the lack of content on Day 1. Okay. Calls my attempts to generate content "odd". This is where I raise my eyebrows at sig. we're in a game that is moving painfully slow. I'm trying to breathe some life into it, and when I tried to get sig involved he threw a tiny bit of shade for doing so. The rest of his answer amounts to another shrug. I don't love this post on its own, but it looks even worse in conjunction with this post:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:52 pm I do like that Sloonie is posting and trying to get people talking, but as of right now I just don't think there's much to talk about. However, I'd put him down as a light civ read.

Sig observes that I'm "trying to get people talking", despite having just critiqued my "case" as "odd" a minute earlier. what is odd about it? I'm clearly just trying to get you to talk, sig. If this is a good thing, and a thing you can recognize that I am doing, and which I have a reputation for doing, why did you also dismiss my first efforts as "odd"?

This is so full of switcheroo that it almost becomes a WIFOM post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:29 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:06 pm How about a real, sort of substantiated case?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:15 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:45 pm This tribe cannot win. We do not have JaggedJimmyJay, there's no use trying.

hmmmm a defeatist attitude you must be mafia.

Opportunistic reaching. Must be town.

sig appeared to be trying to initiate some gameplay, but this was where his prod of me led. Nothing really came out of this, so it feels like a hollow post.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:03 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

No bad sloonie bad boy no treats for you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:36 pm Sig has 6 posts, but outside of an empty mudfling in my direction none of them have really contributed much.

It's day one, I don't have much to say.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:40 pm [VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

@sig what do you think of my vote?

I think it was odd, I don't see your case on INH and I'd rather not lynch him day 1. I also kind off agree most of the time day 1 is a shot in the dark.

Slaps me on the wrist for voting him. Okay. Shrugs about the lack of content on Day 1. Okay. Calls my attempts to generate content "odd". This is where I raise my eyebrows at sig. we're in a game that is moving painfully slow. I'm trying to breathe some life into it, and when I tried to get sig involved he threw a tiny bit of shade for doing so. The rest of his answer amounts to another shrug. I don't love this post on its own, but it looks even worse in conjunction with this post:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:52 pm I do like that Sloonie is posting and trying to get people talking, but as of right now I just don't think there's much to talk about. However, I'd put him down as a light civ read.

Sig observes that I'm "trying to get people talking", despite having just critiqued my "case" as "odd" a minute earlier. what is odd about it? I'm clearly just trying to get you to talk, sig. If this is a good thing, and a thing you can recognize that I am doing, and which I have a reputation for doing, why did you also dismiss my first efforts as "odd"?

This is so full of switcheroo that it almost becomes a WIFOM post.

I don't know what this means.

I meant that it's such a Switcheroo that it can't possibly be that a baddie would do that. But, then would they because everyone would think they wouldn't...

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:36 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I'm bored, lets tie it.

Plus I'm about 70% sure I submitted a haiku and it's very disappointing nobody followed up and answered when I asked if they did.

Can't you just check your sent items and see if you did?

I think that's probably true. And/or he knows he has immunity.

Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:42 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:41 pm Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone.

Vote Boomslang.

I don't like peer pressure.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Because peer pressure and grasping at all the straws to find day 1 suspects. And because I have to vote somewhere.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:44 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:42 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:41 pm Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone.

Vote Boomslang.

I don't like peer pressure.

It would be a tremendously gracious showing on your part if you were to join Daisy and I in solidarity against Boomslang, friend.

Sorry, friend.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:46 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:45 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Because peer pressure and grasping at all the straws to find day 1 suspects. And because I have to vote somewhere.

Are you criticizing me for grasping at straws for Day 1 suspects, or stating that you are grasping at straws?

A little of both, lol.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:12 pmthe Slang?

Boomslang

I don't think boomslang would kill ninja on night 1.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:12 pmthe Slang?

Boomslang

Lorab why do you say that.

Aren't they a couple? I find couples rarely kill each other day 1--close friends, as well. I won't say it never happens, but I find it rare.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:44 pm
I also have an eyeball on Lorab right now. "Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone" at the end of Day 1 is so noncommittal, then she votes Sloonei for "peer pressure" and the active voices in the thread don't really get on her for that lack of reasoning. She then jumps in, first post of Day 2, to begin the WIFOM about me and the Blooper kill.

And to the other posts about me (and votes): I didn't suspect anyone day 1--honestly, I still don't really have any suspects. I didn't particularly like either of the bandwagons, and they both felt like just that, so I didn't want to vote there, because I didn't trust them. I didn't like how Sloonei totally switcherooed on Sig, and how he seemed to be going after every name that came up--it seemed opportunistic. Was it enough for a vote later in the game? No. But I had to vote somewhere, and it raised my eyebrow enough that I voted there.

Day 2, you were being discussed, and I thought I'd raise that point, which hadn't yet been mentioned.

I guess I can see how those things might seem suspicious, but I'm not bad.

Also, throwing out there: tomorrow night begins the Jewish holiday in which we cosplay while eating cookies and getting drunk (yes, that really is the holiday--we also have a carnival for it). Which is much fun, but much work. And our synagogue has 3 different celebrations for it, over the next several days. I also have jury duty on Thursday. So, my time will be wonky over the next 5 days. Just giving fair warning.

Crapweasel. I thought I had more time on the vote and missed it. Sorry to hosts and other players. I really hate missing votes.

I'm a little bit drunk, because drinking jewish holiday, so not going to even try to think too much about mafia. Will check in from jury duty tomorrow.

It's also honest. If not having any major suspicions makes me suspicious, then I can't do anything about that. I'll add that I'm not the only one withough suspicions.

Also, if you're going to look at my Fiddler game, I'd also suggest you look at my Buffy game, in which I was also bad.

This is my: "I'm seriously busy right now and can only post so much and don't have any suspicions right now" and I'm hoping that I'll find reason to have suspicions as the game goes on, so that I can figure out the baddies.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:13 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:07 pm It's also honest. If not having any major suspicions makes me suspicious, then I can't do anything about that. I'll add that I'm not the only one withough suspicions.

Also, if you're going to look at my Fiddler game, I'd also suggest you look at my Buffy game, in which I was also bad.

This is my: "I'm seriously busy right now and can only post so much and don't have any suspicions right now" and I'm hoping that I'll find reason to have suspicions as the game goes on, so that I can figure out the baddies.

Understandable. I’ve had those moments. But in those moments, I still feel like civ LoRab would have more conviction and would at least stick to her guns.

You’ve hinted that you think Boom is off, but only a slight extent. And I can see that you’re at least reading the thread when you do have downtime, but here again you don’t offer any reads of people other than defending your meta.

I've actually indicated the opposite about boom....

And, honestly, I don't have strong suspicions, nor do I want to make them up.

Ugh, this week. I am so sorry for missing another vote. I got caught up in holiday prep yesterday (with the added bonus of having to figure out if we should cancel last night's worship services/celebration due to weather) and then spent a lot more time today at work than I had thought I would. Normalcy should return tomorrow afternoon (although I may have to go back to jury duty Monday--we had to do a long questionaire and then the judge will interview us for jury selection--btw, one of the questions on the questionaire was what our hobbies are, and I was so tempted to write "playing mafia" but better judgement won out).

I think Sloonei was the right choice for spy (despite previous reservations about Sloonei). And I can't wait to hear what is going on there. I'm fascinated that DDL would have had to have at least 6 votes, if he started with -2. Out of 11 players on that tribe, that's a good amount of consensus, which is interesting--especially given the amount of trouble we've been having.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:36 am You guys! Prior to me making this post, the other tribe has literally exactly twice as many posts as us.

Told ya so.

I don't think anyone doubted that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:18 pm They aren't aware that their lynches are overriding ours.

I'm assuming they're not getting NK'd then either, and just hearing about ours?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:05 pm DharmaHelper's gonna fight us. He doesn't care, he'll do it!

lol how many times has he used that Negan meme? Over / under 5?

They think they are seeing our nightkills and we are seeing theirs. They think player deaths are being kept secret.

So, to clarify, they think that people on their tribe have been nk-ed, but that it's being kept secret? Do they think the players themselves don't know, either? I'm trying to imagine how they would guess that this would work.

Do they know that you're there?

Is anyone silenced today? I’m not sure I’m seeing that a baddie would fake a silence when there may or may not be a silencer. Seems like a pretty big risk, since if no one else is silenced, then it becomes pretty obvious. Also, if one fakes a silence and there really is a silencer, then you would have 2 people silenced. So, not sure what I think about wilgy, but I don’t think he faked a silence.

I’m jury duty hell this morning so posting from phone , btw. Hopefully, this will all be done early this afternoon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 pm Aight guys, I looked closer at LoRab. Guess what? I still think she’s a frog.

DAY 1:

LoRab wrote:Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone

LoRab wrote:I have to vote somewhere.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:44 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:42 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:41 pm Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone.

Vote Boomslang.

I don't like peer pressure.

It would be a tremendously gracious showing on your part if you were to join Daisy and I in solidarity against Boomslang, friend.

Sorry, friend.

Okokokok so she proceeds to vote Sloonei because he’s grasping at straws even though she says repeatedly that she doesn’t have any ideas. Boom had at least 2 votes on him at the time. But she wouldn’t go along with someone giving her an option because of “peer pressure”?? Woah nelly. That sounds like a cop out 130%.

If Boomslang is bad, which wouldn’t surprise me at this point, then LoRab is his Mike Pence.

I still don't think Boomslang is bad. And I didn't want to vote on a bandwagon, because I didn't suspect the people with multiple votes on them. So, I gave a vote to a player that I had some suspicion of, knowing that they wouldn't likely be lynched with 1 vote. I'm not sure why you see that as suspicious. (other than the fact that you suspect Boomslang)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:13 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 pm Aight guys, I looked closer at LoRab. Guess what? I still think she’s a frog.

DAY 1:

LoRab wrote:Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone

LoRab wrote:I have to vote somewhere.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:44 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:42 pm

Vote Boomslang.

I don't like peer pressure.

It would be a tremendously gracious showing on your part if you were to join Daisy and I in solidarity against Boomslang, friend.

Sorry, friend.

Okokokok so she proceeds to vote Sloonei because he’s grasping at straws even though she says repeatedly that she doesn’t have any ideas. Boom had at least 2 votes on him at the time. But she wouldn’t go along with someone giving her an option because of “peer pressure”?? Woah nelly. That sounds like a cop out 130%.

If Boomslang is bad, which wouldn’t surprise me at this point, then LoRab is his Mike Pence.

I still don't think Boomslang is bad. And I didn't want to vote on a bandwagon, because I didn't suspect the people with multiple votes on them. So, I gave a vote to a player that I had some suspicion of, knowing that they wouldn't likely be lynched with 1 vote. I'm not sure why you see that as suspicious. (other than the fact that you suspect Boomslang)

What was the basis of your suspicion of me, why have you not mentioned it elsewhere, and why was it preferable to cast a vote that was not going to result in anything happening?

I voted for you because I had day 1 level suspicion of you. My suspicion came from a few things: one is that you totally switcherooed on sig and accused him of being bad as soon as he mentioned suspicion of you. You also seemed to grasp at every straw that came into reach to make cases against people for, what seemed to me, to be little to no reason. That was more suspicious than anything else that anyone had done, in my view, so I voted for you.

I generally vote for the player that I have the most suspicion of--in this case, a little bit of suspicion was more than I had of anyone else. And, as I've said before, I didn't want to jump on either of the bandwagons, as I didn't see those players as suspicious, so I didn't want to vote that way--especially not just because other people were doing it.

I haven't mentioned you since then because your posts since then have seemed civ and the low level, day 1, suspicion of you has faded.

I find Daisy's post about blooper's odd comment to be fairly convincing. I had raised an eyebrow when I read her comment earlier, but hadn't had the chance to think it through. As Daisy said, it's off, because that would be one of the first things I'd think would come up. And it sounds a bit too much like--know what's going on in the other tribe? No, of course I don't. So, at this moment, that's where my suspicion pendulum has struck. That could change.

Ugh. I hate my schedule right now. Work stuff got quirky at end of day and I had to deal with things. I would have probably voted Wilgy, mainly because I still don't think Boomslang is bad.

What do we think "You are unable to evolve" means in LC's role?

I am also in the camp of not assuming alignment based on role--any role can be good or bad. And I think, especially in a game like this, it is dangerous to assume which roles are which.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:03 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:13 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 pm Aight guys, I looked closer at LoRab. Guess what? I still think she’s a frog.

DAY 1:

LoRab wrote:Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone

LoRab wrote:I have to vote somewhere.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:44 pm

It would be a tremendously gracious showing on your part if you were to join Daisy and I in solidarity against Boomslang, friend.

Sorry, friend.

Okokokok so she proceeds to vote Sloonei because he’s grasping at straws even though she says repeatedly that she doesn’t have any ideas. Boom had at least 2 votes on him at the time. But she wouldn’t go along with someone giving her an option because of “peer pressure”?? Woah nelly. That sounds like a cop out 130%.

If Boomslang is bad, which wouldn’t surprise me at this point, then LoRab is his Mike Pence.

I still don't think Boomslang is bad. And I didn't want to vote on a bandwagon, because I didn't suspect the people with multiple votes on them. So, I gave a vote to a player that I had some suspicion of, knowing that they wouldn't likely be lynched with 1 vote. I'm not sure why you see that as suspicious. (other than the fact that you suspect Boomslang)

What was the basis of your suspicion of me, why have you not mentioned it elsewhere, and why was it preferable to cast a vote that was not going to result in anything happening?

I voted for you because I had day 1 level suspicion of you. My suspicion came from a few things: one is that you totally switcherooed on sig and accused him of being bad as soon as he mentioned suspicion of you. You also seemed to grasp at every straw that came into reach to make cases against people for, what seemed to me, to be little to no reason. That was more suspicious than anything else that anyone had done, in my view, so I voted for you.

Why does this behavior register as suspicious to you? That's certainly a fair representation of what I did on Day 1. But I don't know why you found it suspicious.

I generally vote for the player that I have the most suspicion of--in this case, a little bit of suspicion was more than I had of anyone else. And, as I've said before, I didn't want to jump on either of the bandwagons, as I didn't see those players as suspicious, so I didn't want to vote that way--especially not just because other people were doing it.

I haven't mentioned you since then because your posts since then have seemed civ and the low level, day 1, suspicion of you has faded.

But you also didn't mention me before the vote. You qualified your vote by saying you had no suspects. Your vote for me seemed to be an instantaneous decision in the heat of the moment. I didn't get the impression that you had actually suspected me. I'm mot saying that you didn't, but that's part of what i'm getting hung up on right now.

What do you think of Boomslang and niju so far?

I pointed out your switcheroo post when you made it--you even asked me about what I meant and I explained it. So that's just patently untrue that I didn't mention you. I also explained why I voted for you when I did--which you also asked me about and I answered.

And I still think Boomslang is civ (as I've said multiple times). I think he was civ to start with, in part because I don't think he would kill niju on night 1 (as I have said before) and he hasn't done or said anything that has made me suspect him.

And niju, as I said last night, I thought Daisy brought up a good point about, and so I have an eye on her.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:29 pm In other news. I've been stuck as a juror for the past day and a half with this song stuck in my head the entire time.


This is pretty much my own personal hell

lol are you and LoRab at the same trial?

Is it a civil or criminal trial? If civil, im so sorry that’s boring as shit

LOL, that would have made jury duty so much more entertaining. As it was, I was not chosen for the jury (criminal trial), after filling out a 10 page questionaire and having to go back to be interviewed by the judge in front of all the lawyers--if I had been chosen, it would have been an estimated 11 week trial. I'm pretty happy with not having to do that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:01 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:29 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:25 pm This is so full of switcheroo that it almost becomes a WIFOM post.

I don't know what this means.

I meant that it's such a Switcheroo that it can't possibly be that a baddie would do that. But, then would they because everyone would think they wouldn't...

In reading LoRab's response to me from last night, I realized that these comments are about me. I had interpreted them as being about sig. I really wasn't sure what she was getting at because I am a big dope. I've gathered at long last that she's saying I reversed my opinion of sig, I think, and that that is something she viewed as suspicious. This makes much more sense than what I was trying to piece together of LoRab's Day 1 vote and subsequent posts. I've been struggling to come up with suspects, so I feel like I've been trying to read LoRab as bad because in my head it just has to be her. But as I'm looking at her posts I don't really think I can make a convincing case right now.

I don't have a suspect right now. It's Day 5 and I have no confidence in any vote that I might cast. That means I can go anywhere.

Marmot's a player I'd be interested in looking at. At certain points he's been solidly involved in driving the discussion, but that hasn't really been a consistent position of his, and sometimes he just appears to be coasting. I could see him as a baddie that's trying to stay just a little bit ahead of things, but not so much that he risks sticking his neck out. Maybe I'll vote for him. Yeah, let's vote for Marmot.
[aubergine]Marmot[/aubergine]

Sorry for the confusion. I forget that we don't all share mafia language. More specifically, and for future reference, in the mafia culture that I come from switcheroo is the genrally used term for what "traditional" mafia calls OMGUS.

Daisy: What are your current thoughts on this?

(quote clipped for the relevant part)

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:59 pmGiven that fact, two baddies who are in separate tribes make perfect sense. Again, it helps them to make up for their disadvantage. Additionally, Blooper's response to Scotty pointing out that her first role had BTSC with someone from the other tribe seemed very odd to me. If you were given BTSC with someone else, what is the first thing you would want to know?

Who are you?

Or, what thread are you in/what information do you have that I might not have?

The fact she said she didn't even know she was talking to someone from the other thread is really odd to me. How?

Did Blooper ever respond?

I'm also still utzy about Blooper. I don't understand why you wouldn't say who you were as the first thing? And if it was civ/civ, why would you hesitate to share identities. It's just not adding up in my mind.

I also actually think there is value in the sig case. That said, he hasn't posted since Day 4--which makes me wonder if he's possibly silenced (doesn't account for the not posting night 4, so I'm questioning that). I am hesitant to vote that way because of that possibility, though. Has anyone else not posted this day cycle?

The other suspects being mentioned (other than me, I know I'm good ) I'm really not sure about. They are all people I don't read well. I do still think Boomslang is likely civ, but that's it.

I also want to vote, so I don't miss another vote, and I'll be in the middle of a dinner when the poll ends. So, I'm going to put a vote on blooper for now. I will change it if anything comes up that makes me want to change it. But right now, she's the one I feel the most suspicious of--and I don't want to vote for someone who may be silenced.

aubergine is a pretty color. Vote: Nijuukyugou

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:31 pm Weeeeee

unvote. Vote sig

If sig is silenced, he would have voted like Wilgy did to let us know.

That's a really good point. He's posted elsewhere, but that was starting before day started (and, actually, mostly during the night phase), so thinking that isn't his way of saying he isn't silenced.

Unvote and Vote: Sig

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:31 pm Weeeeee

unvote. Vote sig

If sig is silenced, he would have voted like Wilgy did to let us know.

That's a really good point. He's posted elsewhere, but that was starting before day started (and, actually, mostly during the night phase), so thinking that isn't his way of saying he isn't silenced.

Unvote and Vote: Sig

Crapweasel. Aubergine Unvote and Vote: Sig

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:15 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:06 pm I'm also still utzy about Blooper. I don't understand why you wouldn't say who you were as the first thing? And if it was civ/civ, why would you hesitate to share identities. It's just not adding up in my mind.

I also actually think there is value in the sig case. That said, he hasn't posted since Day 4--which makes me wonder if he's possibly silenced (doesn't account for the not posting night 4, so I'm questioning that). I am hesitant to vote that way because of that possibility, though. Has anyone else not posted this day cycle?

The other suspects being mentioned (other than me, I know I'm good ) I'm really not sure about. They are all people I don't read well. I do still think Boomslang is likely civ, but that's it.

I also want to vote, so I don't miss another vote, and I'll be in the middle of a dinner when the poll ends. So, I'm going to put a vote on blooper for now. I will change it if anything comes up that makes me want to change it. But right now, she's the one I feel the most suspicious of--and I don't want to vote for someone who may be silenced.

aubergine is a pretty color. Vote: Nijuukyugou

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:30 pm @nijuukyugou I am not sure. I feel like it could go either way. It wasn't what I was hoping your reply would be, but I won't go into that. I just can't understand why the first thing nutella wouldn't have done is say, "Hey it's me, Nutella! I'm your civ BTSC partner!" Or ask who you were or I don't know. I still feel like it's questionable, but maybe not quite as questionable as I did at first. I wish I felt clearly one way or another about your answer, but I don't.

Revealing identities, unless I'm gravely mistaken, was not allowed. If you read the roles we had, we signed in as socks (Electron and Proton), so it worked like any sock game where you BTSC without saying who you are. I think you're misunderstanding what I was and was not able to do, role-wise.

I'm not liking how keen you are to jump on this "case," Lorab. I know you're busy, but it feels weak to me. But it also feels very outlier-y. Whether or not that is alignment indicative is something I need to study (from my experience, you're more calculated than that, so I'm more annoyed at having to re-explain this than suspicious, methinks, at this point.

Okay, so backlash blah blah blah regarding my and others' comments regarding not wanting to vote for the sake of voting, but hell, that's what these "strawman" (LOL almost typed "strawberry") arguments look like. However, I see votes on sig. And while I'm not cool with voting simply for information (yes, I know there's more to it than that, JoH, but that's still what a lot of it boils down to at this point, and you're still trying to vote the most scummy person), I am okay with this particular vote. That was a lot of words to say "I'm okay with voting sig because I think he's bad and now more people think so too and are on board, yay!" So let's purple this aubergine and vote sig.

That does make sense. And I'm not jumping on anything--I've found it eyebrow raising since you first posted it and said so--but you may have missed the initial post. In rereading the roles, it does make sense that you wouldn't be allowed to share identities--but I'd still think that the first thing you'd share is which tribe you're in. But maybe it's a matter of how different people would use that. I'm keeping an eye on you, but this post makes me feel slightly better.

Wow. I thought we'd actually get a lynch in. But good on the other tribe for getting a mafia out. And, as Scotty said, evident that there is more than 1 mafia. Is the Evil Evens from something? Or is it just a name and there is also an Odious Odds mafia, or some such?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:46 am Also this is LC second flip correct? And we believed the first one was civ/mafia so we can't assume people who got killed stayed civs, I'd look closely at the people pushing that meta.

I don't think all of us have made any assumptions about the alignment of roles, based only on the role description. And I don't think anyone is pushing the narrative that assumed civs have remained civs. This reads like a post that is trying to sound like more substance than it actually has.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:03 am

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:33 am Okay i'm officially here and on break so I can post. :P

Also lol that I'm still alive, but yay we got a baddie. Could we perhaps just not be able to lynch people here?

You seem strangely unmoved by the fact that you had 7/12 votes on you just now.

You’ve been like this all game. I don’t understand you or whT this means for your alignment

I agree he is strangely nonchalant about it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:05 am Guys. What if the button switches which tribe can lynch and which can NK???

The only catch with that theory is that cbob will most definitely be lynched tomorrow. But like...what if?

I’m not so sure we’re merging tomorrow either. I don’t know if we’ll ever get off this beach.

No, the button swaps all the roles, rendering the previous 6 months of the game meaningless.

That's an assumption you're making based on the original role--which doesn't mean that the role operates the same way in this game. Chances are, in fact, that it doesn't (based on comparing all of the roles we have learned to their original games). Unless you know more about the role than the rest of us...

Sig, anything to say about the accusations against you and the fact that you were nearly lynched yesterday?

Looks like niju has been silenced. Not sure if powers go through the night of death, or if there is another silencer.

I also don't see a reason why we wouldn't try to lynch the same as last round. In fact, sig has seemed even more suspish since then. So, as aubergine and babaganoush are delicious, vote sig

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:28 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:21 am Looks like niju has been silenced. Not sure if powers go through the night of death, or if there is another silencer.

I also don't see a reason why we wouldn't try to lynch the same as last round. In fact, sig has seemed even more suspish since then. So, as aubergine and babaganoush are delicious, vote sig

That's super scummy. Lynch someone who's last life was an obvious civ even though he was nightkillled.

As I've said several times, I don't think there are civ roles and baddie roles. I think any role has the potential to be either. So, not seeing "obvious civ." And not sure what being night killed has to do with anything. There is solid evidence of multiple mafias. Also, mafias have been known to target their own. Also, we don't know what roles are in this game, so retargeting is a thing that can happen. I'm banking on the second of those possibilities.

@Sloonei: Convince me. I mean, I can be convinced, but can you share why you suspect him? Also, I don't want to make an assumption about this lynch and that it won't happen. That seems like a dangerous path.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:39 am We have no proof mafia targeted there own?

Circumstantial evidence is all you have.

I didn't say we had proof. That is twisting my words and focusing on what wasn't even the most relevant part of what I said. And that isn't even why I suspect you--just why I'm ok with voting for you despite the nk. It would be great if you could respond to the myriad posts about you during the last lynch.

Sorry I wasn't really on yesterday--I was clobbered with a migraine. Which is mostly gone now. So yay.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:37 pm Plus they'll want civs down to one life, y'all weren't getting me lynched and they knew I wasn't one of them.

I suggest we start looking at people who are both suspicious and haven't been killed yet as well as the people who were killed night 1 and 2

If there are 2 mafias, which seems to be the case, how would mafia know that?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:24 am Do you have a case on LoRab? I have not seen one yet. She has been our least vocal tribe member, but I don't attribute this to her alignment one way or the other, and I do not blame her for it. It seems like she's just been busy. I am open to a case on her, but at this point I'm firmly reading her as town.

This place is empty today. I think everyone's just twiddling their thumbs waiting for colonialbob to die and to trigger whatever his death will trigger. Meh. This tribe desperately needs something to happen at this point. we've just been bystanders while the other tribe plays their game so far. I'm gonna continue voting for Marmot.

I expected there to be another challenge today. I was gonna recommend we throw it to let one of their players have a look at our thread.

“Firmly” reading her as town? Wow. I don’t know how you can pull that rabbit out of a hat.

My case is flimsy to be sure. But they all are pretty breezy, aren’t they?
She was busy with RL stuff early on, yes, but that’s over, and nothing changed in her play style. She’s patiently ignoring me which is fine, because I’m like that chihuahua that won’t stop jumping up trying to get attention. Annoying, but ignorable.

all I’m asking from her is to make some cases on people. You even said before you had your revelation that she’s hadn’t given anything you would consider to be town. So like...

If I had cases to make, I'd be making them. And I'm not really ignoring you--but this is the first time you've really said anything substantial about why you think I'm bad, so I had nothing to respond to. You're wrong about me, and that's really all I can say even now. I've recently been suspicious of niju and sig, both of which I explained my reasons why. Niju's response made enough sense to me that she's been put on the back burner for a while. I'm still suspicious of sig. I'm willing to entertain suspicion of wilgy or marmot--I need to reread those posts.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:01 am I also don't believe at this point Lorab is civ, I believe at the very least she's being blendy and just throwing her vote on me.

For now I'll vote for Marmot

I am civ. I voted for you because I suspect you--and you haven't responded to anything that's been said about you, which only makes me suspect you more. As I said, I'm willing to consider other suspicions. But yes, I suspect you. And which is it--that I'm being blendy or that I'm voting for you? Because I think suspicion of me started when I didn't follow either of the bandwagons on day 1--which is kind of the opposite of blendy, no?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:10 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:28 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:21 am Looks like niju has been silenced. Not sure if powers go through the night of death, or if there is another silencer.

I also don't see a reason why we wouldn't try to lynch the same as last round. In fact, sig has seemed even more suspish since then. So, as aubergine and babaganoush are delicious, vote sig

That's super scummy. Lynch someone who's last life was an obvious civ even though he was nightkillled.

Obligatory "first roles being civ in previous games doesn't mean you are civ now or even civ yesterday."

Heck, the mafia is the Evil Evens, which wasn't even a mafia team in CC123 and LC's first role was Commander Shepherd, towniest of all Mass Effect townies.

Quit with this nonsense.

Good point

My point is we are seeing hypocrisy here. Everyone else who had been killed up until this point was more or less given a free pass since mafia killed them. Now suddenly this isn't the case, but it's only not the case for me.

It's scummy that your assuming my kill was wine/misdirect. Why are you trying to take control of the narrative surrounding kills when you have no idea why scum did what they did? Unless you submitted the mafia night action.

That's not accurate. I suspected niju, who also used up one life. I haven't really taken into consideration first lives in my determining whom I find suspicious. To me, it's about behavior, tone, and word choice.

And why is any worse for jack to speculate about the kill choice than for you to do so? It's all speculation--but that's what we do in this game. I don't think that people theorizing makes them seem bad or not. He wasn't trying to take control of the narative any more than you were. Why are you so defensive about it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:01 pm I would like to make a plea tomorrow that we put as many votes on one person to show those pikachu punks we can reach a decision.

Not to sound like an echo, but Marmot 2018 isn't the worst decision, if only because no one has outright objected to it (or anyone that I have noticed). It's not like he's in here defending himself.

No matter who gets killed tonight, can we all agree that we need to get a lynch across just to see if we can skip the whole NK phase entirely?

I don't disagree that we should attempt to lynch someone--especially since we have gained a numbers advantage (with the lynching of lc) since we last tried, so we might be able to.

But, what's your logic on skipping the nk phase? The theory, iirc from the other camp, that the mafia can only kill from the camp that didn't lynch? I think it's just as likely that the mafia(s) are choosing to kill from one camp--and, in large part, to do so in order to fuck with everyone and make it seem like that's what's happening since the theory was raised. Mainly from a game set up standpoint, it would seem like an odd dynamic to introduce.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:16 am @LoRab are you against voting for Marmot tomorrow?

I'm not against a Marmot vote. I find him hard to read personally, but trust the read that others have of his behavior.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:14 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:12 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:01 pm I would like to make a plea tomorrow that we put as many votes on one person to show those pikachu punks we can reach a decision.

Not to sound like an echo, but Marmot 2018 isn't the worst decision, if only because no one has outright objected to it (or anyone that I have noticed). It's not like he's in here defending himself.

No matter who gets killed tonight, can we all agree that we need to get a lynch across just to see if we can skip the whole NK phase entirely?

I don't disagree that we should attempt to lynch someone--especially since we have gained a numbers advantage (with the lynching of lc) since we last tried, so we might be able to.

But, what's your logic on skipping the nk phase? The theory, iirc from the other camp, that the mafia can only kill from the camp that didn't lynch? I think it's just as likely that the mafia(s) are choosing to kill from one camp--and, in large part, to do so in order to fuck with everyone and make it seem like that's what's happening since the theory was raised. Mainly from a game set up standpoint, it would seem like an odd dynamic to introduce.

The logic is that I find it less likely that teams can communicate across different beaches. For a team to collectively go “let’s just all kill people on one tribe” is a plan that has no merit. Why do this? To “fuck with everyone”? Naw. This here’s a game mechanic, and it makes sense if we consolidate. Rewards groupthink, which in this setting, is exactly what the tribes are.

So, with that theory, assuming 2 mafias (more than 2 would seem unbalanced)--one on each beach--the one that gets to kill is the one that didn't have a successful lynch on their beach? So is the name "Evil Evens" a misdirect? I was thinking that meant it was the mafia that kills on even nights (with the usual set up of multiple mafias, alternating nights). Also, Golden said more than once that the split of players between beaches was random--statistically, I'd think it more likely that there are members of any given mafia on both teams. I guess it's possible that they might not have cross-beach BTSC, but then from a set up perspective, it would seem unfair for a team to have to strategize without the ability to communicate. We already know there were 2 roles (of unknown allegiance) that had BTSC across tribes--so why wouldn't mafia be the same?

But Golden said it was completely random:

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:23 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:12 am I feel like this is in the rules somewhere.

When you die and get a new role, we don’t know alignment may be different, yeah? That is, could it be an okay thing to get lynched as mafia?

Are roles assigned randomly as first and second roles? That is, could there be only one mafia in this tribe?

Anyone besides Marmot feel like self voting?

2nd roles are not assigned randomly. They were paired and the players received a pair at random.

As was noted in the second post of the thread, the split of players into tribes was random. There is no guarantee of any particular number or ratio of any alignment in the tribe.

That doesn't seem like a tricksy host answer, but I guess it could be.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:07 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:06 pm Someone just kill me. I don’t feel like I’m doing anything useful in this game besides regurgitating errant thoughts

That was my clone posting that, ive had a change of heart, don’t kill me, comma

Holy shit! This game has clones?!

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:07 pm How did they get a lynch and a NK? I mean, I see SVS’ role could make someone else die, but like...what?

vote Marmot aubergine before things get hairy. And I don’t mean clumps of hair.

Well, perhaps the theory was wrong?

I'm fine with an aubergine vote for Marmot.

Not sure he'd be my top choice, but I get the suspicion and I think it's important for us to get a successful lynch.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:13 pm We basically need everyone to agree upon someone to lynch and have at least 7 people on the wagon, preferably 8+

Let's go for 11!! (Assuming 12 is an unrealistic asperation, with the person having voted for themselves)

Also, if you are supportive of this plan, why haven't you voted yet for the person that multiple people have supported voting for, and no one seems to be arguing against?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:37 pm vote marmot

I also may be feeling aubergine about niju 2.0.

OK, really, though. Can we make aubergine purple be the voting color and make a button for it?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:35 am I read the last page and don't see an suspicion of me, just a bunch of votes and a need to "lynch someone".

Pray do tell why that person is me? I don't mind being recast, but I want a reason from every single person who cast their vote already. That means you @sig @Sloonei @LoRab @DrWilgy @Scotty.

I voted for you because I thought Sloonei made a reasonable case against you during the last day cycle, and what he said made sense. You haven't defended any of those points. And I think it's important for us to get a lynch, and there seems to be the most consensus around you--particularly from those that read you better than I do.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:59 pm Pikachu gon be surprised when we actually lunch somebody.

Are you a cannibal?

I was getting paranoid that the lynch would fail for some reason, but we did it!

It's also really strange to lynch someone and not know whether or not they were actually bad.

[mention]Scotty[/mention]: When did the tribes merge in Survivor?