The Syndicate

How come Mars gets to have such a big mountain?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:21 pm Right, this is my . . . second traditional Syndicate game? Wow, I've been around long enough to lose track. Guess that means I'm a regular now.

Let's go stomp those little mountains!

Yeah, let's go stomp those little mountains!

Still though... Olympus Mons is over twenty-one kilometres high! (That's like 13 miles for those of you still waiting to join the metric world). I can't even imagine such height.

I like to keep this in my playlist for appropriate occasions:

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:22 am check? hi? hello? is this thing on?

It sure is, sistah! Are you a little mountain or a big one?

Don't you like me?

I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

Me too! *vote Epignosis*

He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

Suit yourself. *votes Epi*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

"Buddying" two civilians on Day 1 is not going to stop my lynch if that is what the majority wishes (not that I agree I have "buddied" anybody).

What? You don't see the relationship between the number of Civs that believe you are Civ, and having the majority lynch?

Sloonei is not going to be intimidated by me to the extent that he won't vote for me if he feels he should (not that I agree I have intimidated Sloonei).

Maybe, maybe not.

You are, as usual, starting with the conclusion that Epignosis is bad and making everything I do fit that conclusion.

Not really, I started with observation of your behaviour, then came to the conclusion that you're bad.

Of course, you have no response to this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:53 am You are implying that "setting up a long game" is something I, as mafia, would do on Day 1. That is mistaken. The fact is I don't bother with long term planning Day 1 when I am bad. It's antithetical to success in most cases, because to be good at being bad, one must be flexible and able to dance. And I am a fine dancer.

"I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" argument tend to be super unconvincing to me.

Can anyone who has ever been bad with me point to a time when I set up a long term plan Day 1?

If not, why would I start now?

Classic. "If you can't do a ton of research and find that I acted the exact same way previously, then your accusation can't be right." Do people still buy that forced-meta crap?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

Indeed.

As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:36 pmHow does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

A valid question.
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I already let someone else prove it's not valid. Are you following along ok?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.

So cut and dry, what does this tie back to? What are you trying to say?

What I am saying is that both of the referenced posts by Epignosis are devoid of content or attempts to gain information or a better understanding of the players. In short, they're filler posts, attempts by a Bad Boy to be present and seem relevant.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:43 pmTownies don't gain anything from willfully pretending not to understand accusations.

This is a well-said point that explains a large part of why I haven't dropped Epi as a suspicion.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:47 pm okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

My arguments make sense.

And I think that each of the previous games where I have locked horns early with Epi have a) contained plenty of content that was not related to Epi or myself, and b) made progress.

You want to see a game that didn't make progress? Compare early Pirate Mafia to later Pirate Mafia. Before I died, I came after a few people for smaller details just like this, things that pinged me. I had two of the three Mafia members in my main 3 or 4 suspicions, and I led the lynch of baddie MP07 before getting nightkilled. After I died, the game slowed to a sludge, and the baddies handily guided it to a win.

Story time is fun - I told one, now why don't you tell me a story about the time Epi and I ruined the game by butting heads?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:40 pm Epi, do you agree with kyle's assessment that you were attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen?

No.

LC explicitly called cb, Mesk, and Sloonei civilians. There was no consideration given that I could be "buddying" a teammate, as JoH suggested (however the hell one does that).

He also has taken anything I have said or done and says I am "setting up a long game" even though I have never before in my four years of playing Mafia done that Day 1. Instead of considering angles in which my words and actions indicate a civilian, he presses on with his unfounded, circular nonsense.

There is no strawman fallacy or hyperbole, and even if there is, so what?

I'm going to explain a thing you're pretending to not understand one time out of the goodness of my heart. I won't continue to do so because it is tiring.

LC posts that you are bad and you are buddying Bob and Mesk. The implication is that since scum doesn't buddy teammates, if LC is correct in his suspicions, Bob and Mesk would by definition be town.

LC is not claiming to have figured out Mesk or Bob's alignments outside of this, which is obvious.

I am not claiming that scum buddying a teammate is a thing, which is also obvious.

No more straw men. Townies don't gain anything from willfully pretending not to understand accusations.

Nope, sorry, but I'm sure LC appreciates you helping him out with the explanation.

Yes, I do very much. I didn't want to have to "waste my breath" countering such a ridiculous argument. I can't even believe you're sticking to it. Come on, Epi.

Regardless of who "buddies" whom, the argument is entirely circular.

Furthermore, he called Sloonei a civilian in the same post, as he said I was intimidating a civilian. You believe LC identified three civilians Day 1 based solely on "empty filler" (his word) directed at two of them and that I was intimidating a third one?

If you believe that, I've got a mountain to sell you in Rhode Island.

WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Where did this conversation lead to?

Nowhere. Jack's answer was boring and predictable, and I didn't see any real avenue to move forward with it. Just messing around, really.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:13 pm LC what are your thoughts on Sloonei?

BRB to answer that. Kids coming home.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:13 pm LC what are your thoughts on Sloonei?

I just went back through Sloonei's ISO. He has been a positive force in moving the thread forward, asking questions and looking for different angles. This is how he describes his own gameplay in this very game, though, so it's not completely ringing the Civilian bells for me. It could be a strategy of content and consistency that he does very well.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

Why was it necessary to have her prove this?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

I also like this response. Quickly ending a conversation which seems of non-import to me. Unless LC wanted to glean something from it, in which case, read quote one.

It wasn't really, I just wanted to see what she'd say. At the very least, it gives her a chance to recall something awesome she did and share it. This comment is in a similar vein to my comment to Jack. The start of the game, very little content/assertions yet, so I do what I can with what's there.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

This could be compensation for lack of a proper response. I'm not leaning either way on it.
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That could be. The real response was "I don't know"... and actually, now that I typed it out, the response does ping me slightly. A Civ's response to "Is that a scumtell for you/what part is a scumtell?" should be "It's not a scumtell, it can't be because I'm not scum"... but Jack just doesn't know why or which part was a scumtell.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:27 pm @Quin

Cause this post. I don't think Sloonei posts this if you are teammates together.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

He's making friends right off the bat.

What would he say if we were teammates?

He would say nothing, because your proposition is likely intended as a trap for two Civilians: someone and Epi. Go for it Epi. I dare you.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

That's a good point. An inconsistency arises in previously consistent gameplay?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 pmYou have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

So if I assume three people you've interacted with are good to conclude that you are mafia, how'd that be?

Epi... why are you not getting it?

You are the one exhibiting the behaviour I find suspicious.

The assumption in play is that you, as a baddie, chose three players who are Civvies.

The assumption is not that they are Civvies and therefore you are bad.

You are too smart to not understand that. You are being deceptive to try to change peoples' minds about what exactly I'm accusing you of. I don't understand why you do this.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:56 pm Did I even use that expression properly?

I think it's supposed to be your side that is good.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:57 pmwould be unusual if you were both wolves would be unusual

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:58 pmI chose three players who are civilians? You can't even get your case right.

I didn't choose who quoted "Rocket Man." I also didn't choose who answered a question in a way I found innocent. No other people did those two things. I didn't choose anybody.

Dance away...

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:00 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

What are you suggesting in this post?

Please answer this, LC.

Missed that in the cavalcade.

The main reason Epi survives as scum might be that people believe his town game is seen as crafty, so people will let certain things slide that they might have otherwise found suspicious.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:03 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:00 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

What are you suggesting in this post?

Please answer this, LC.

Missed that in the cavalcade.

The main reason Epi survives as scum might be that people believe his town game is seen as crafty, so people will let certain things slide that they might have otherwise found suspicious.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how vehemently do you reject my initial impression that you were suggesting lynching Epignosis before he could cement himself in the game?

I would give it an 8, because I don't have a good reference for what qualifies as "cemented". Perhaps all Day 1 lynchees are lynched before they're cemented.

I reject your initial impression vehemently because my suspicion of Epi has grown along the way, to blossom into the desire to lynch him based on his responses.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:24 pmLong Con has done nothing but provoke me, and he knows it, which means I am less likely to do anything productive this Day phase because he knows I'll argue with him, and I know when I do argue with him, he's going to continue making things up (like I somehow magically chose who was going to quote Elton John) and whenever I challenge anything he has to say about me, he will give glib, unhelpful responses ("Indeed." "Keep dancing," etc.), which shows he isn't interested in figuring me out. He's interested in getting me out regardless of my alignment. It almost feels personal.

I swear that my suspicion of you is genuine, not personal.

When you take my two "glib" posts, and ignore all my other ones, to make the point that I'm not interested in figuring you out, it's deceptive. This makes you look suspicious.

When you try to twist my clear points into "magically chose - Elton John" crap, it's deceptive. This makes you look suspicious.

Just stop pretending you don't understand, and it will be a start for you looking less suspicious. Why do you DO this???

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

This could be compensation for lack of a proper response. I'm not leaning either way on it.

That could be. The real response was "I don't know"... and actually, now that I typed it out, the response does ping me slightly. A Civ's response to "Is that a scumtell for you/what part is a scumtell?" should be "It's not a scumtell, it can't be because I'm not scum"... but Jack just doesn't know why or which part was a scumtell.

Let's just say I'm not worried about getting lynched so I was more concerned with figuring out if you were being sincere.
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I don't find your response to be all that sincerity-figuring. Maybe your lack of concern led you to slip just a little.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:37 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:24 pmLong Con has done nothing but provoke me, and he knows it, which means I am less likely to do anything productive this Day phase because he knows I'll argue with him, and I know when I do argue with him, he's going to continue making things up (like I somehow magically chose who was going to quote Elton John) and whenever I challenge anything he has to say about me, he will give glib, unhelpful responses ("Indeed." "Keep dancing," etc.), which shows he isn't interested in figuring me out. He's interested in getting me out regardless of my alignment. It almost feels personal.

I swear that my suspicion of you is genuine, not personal.

When you take my two "glib" posts, and ignore all my other ones, to make the point that I'm not interested in figuring you out, it's deceptive. This makes you look suspicious.

When you try to twist my clear points into "magically chose - Elton John" crap, it's deceptive. This makes you look suspicious.

Just stop pretending you don't understand, and it will be a start for you looking less suspicious. Why do you DO this???

By saying I'm pretending not to understand, you are effectively calling me "stupid," because I don't understand.

How the fuck did I choose who would quote Elton John? I'm not psychic.

I'm out for the night.

I never said you chose who would quote Elton John. You chose him because he responded to you. He gave you the buddying opportunity you were looking for, and you chose that Civ because of it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.

I'm glad none of the other players in this game post empty filler.

I'm also glad that you, LC, consider every player as an option, rather than writing a few off on D1. Screw priorities, focus, or good feels. Gotta waste all that effort on evaluating every player.

Was to call out epi for his egregious behavior.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I've seen D1, regardless of epi's alignment. What's worse, IT ISN'T EVEN YOUR ARGUMENT! Sloonei brought it up and you bandwagoned!

And worst of all, there's still a strong possibility that you're town and this is just LCxEPI LOVE CHU CHU

ok

I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.

LOL I had to still post that despite the linki, because it's real.

Usually with my death.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.

wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing

When I asked him how his post was a scum tell, he said "I don't know" instead of "It's not a scumtell, and cannot be because I'm a Civ."

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

@Long Con care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?

I don't understand what you are saying, can you phrase it differently please? I was saying that Epi's alignment conclusions about mesk, based on the "dirt" post, are not legit because the logic isn't there... you are comparing it to the Daisy guilt thing, but I can't figure out what you mean by your wording.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

I felt their posts emphasized "no hunting" more than yours. Probably letting Speedchuck's comments color my memory.

Maybe I can colour your memory with a different hue:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:03 pmWhat I am saying is that both of the referenced posts by Epignosis are devoid of content or attempts to gain information or a better understanding of the players. In short, they're filler posts, attempts by a Bad Boy to be present and seem relevant.

Is that kind of what you mean by emphasizing "no hunting"?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:44 pm colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

Thanks, nut!

Hey, are you a little mountain?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

I felt their posts emphasized "no hunting" more than yours. Probably letting Speedchuck's comments color my memory.

Maybe I can colour your memory with a different hue:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:03 pmWhat I am saying is that both of the referenced posts by Epignosis are devoid of content or attempts to gain information or a better understanding of the players. In short, they're filler posts, attempts by a Bad Boy to be present and seem relevant.

Is that kind of what you mean by emphasizing "no hunting"?

Okay fine. You emphasized hunting just as much as Sloonei and Quin.

You're already my top town read. I'm not sure what this line of inquiry is even about.

I'm not concerned with who thinks I'm a town read. I just don't want to be written off as a wing nut psycho when I looked back over each of my posts and they make clear, simple sense. I felt like your post was perpetuating the "wing nut LC" idea by differentiating my accusations and Quin/Sloonei's, so it was important for me to call out. I really hope you understand where I'm coming from with this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:20 pmIf I think you're a wingnut, why are half of my posts "LC is obviously town" or "Epi is bad"?

Being a wing nut is not necessarily associated with alignment, but I would think it points more to Civ because a wing nut believes in his crazy, whereas a baddie is just acting like a wing nut. I think.

The only place you're not on point is your Jack read.

What you're doing is saying Jack is scum, Jack called other people's arguments better than yours in a single post, ergo Jack is trying to discredit you. But at least see I'm not trying to discredit you.

LOL no I'm not. I haven't accused you of anything except a scumslip on Day 0. I was defending my image, not accusing you of being scum.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 am Me too! *vote Epignosis*

Are you still angry from the previous game with epi where he found you out as mafia?

Not really, and I think you missed the point of that non-public conversation regarding what upset me about that game.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:34 pm Oh. My. Goodness. Reading this thread is like listening to my children bicker. I'm not done catching up, but I'm over it. This.post below is why I'm voting LC. He admits to making up a reason to accuse epi of being bad. This ia what mafia have to do to look like they are scum-hunting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:07 pm

WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.

Ah. An assumption. Three of them, actually. Glad to hear you admit it.

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Yet I can't say I'm not going to vote a guy because of Elton John or that I raised an opinion regarding Mesk's response to being big or little. Too bad you didn't quote the next line to "Rocket Man." Because then I would have been buddying you.

We are from different worlds.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pmI want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear

That's the opposite of how most people in the thread feel, I think. On any particular subject? Surely not about Epignosis.

Elohcin: ok, I think I have a different way of explaining it.

Quin thought Epi was buddying mesk and bob. In order for him to be right, that Epi is a baddie doing some buddying, he is assuming that mesk and bob are Civ. Are you with me on that?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:46 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pmI want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear

That's the opposite of how most people in the thread feel, I think. On any particular subject? Surely not about Epignosis.

Elohcin: ok, I think I have a different way of explaining it.

Quin thought Epi was buddying mesk and bob. In order for him to be right, that Epi is a baddie doing some buddying, he is assuming that mesk and bob are Civ. Are you with me on that?

I mean in the WAY you explained it. Maybe it’s because of your experience with knowing Epi over years, but having all the words broken down into a single or couple concepts helps me understand where you’re coming from and makes me want to side with you on the argument

I have never had anyone say that to me before.

This is cool. If you really understand where I'm coming from, can you field any further questions on the subject?