The Syndicate

Hello magical friends, sorry I didn't get here till now, I was partying It up Halloween style last night.

I think karavalenge is suspect because her name sounds like a forbidden spell.

This Glorf talk reminds me of the presence of Veritaserum. This game has lie detection - can we lie-detect any post successfully, or are there restrictions? Some games have a rule that you can't LD answers to direct questions, to avoid everyone lining up and saying "I am a Civilian" as an automatic checkable phrase. Also, what happens when Glorf is given Veritaserum? Super-honesty?

Bleh. Lining up Civ-statements isn't the same as LD-ing "answers to direct questions", I think that was just badly put.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".
on what planet would epis post actually be a problem though
You tell me.
Jupiter?

Great choice.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:37 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:26 pm Reasons?
If you want to hold up the name of Ravenclaw, you ought to read the rules.

I am not following this, help a brother out.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:06 pmMy comment was that we are not mafia partners because I like to discuss things with my mafia teammates, and I "spoiled" something for juliets (even though I PUT THE DAMN THING IN SPOILER TAGS), so we are not bad together in BTSC.

This logic seems unsound. Do you mean that you pre-discuss everything you say in the thread with your teammates when you're bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:06 pmMy comment was that we are not mafia partners because I like to discuss things with my mafia teammates, and I "spoiled" something for juliets (even though I PUT THE DAMN THING IN SPOILER TAGS), so we are not bad together in BTSC.
This logic seems unsound. Do you mean that you pre-discuss everything you say in the thread with your teammates when you're bad?
There isn't any logic to it. I've been bad with juliets before, and juliets loves chat (see: discord). We would have been talking this stuff up, and juliets asks questions about things even when bad.

So my point is this:

juliets and I are not bad teammates together.

Use that. Work with it. Bye.

Geez. Okay. Sorry I asked.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 pm This Glorf talk reminds me of the presence of Veritaserum. This game has lie detection - can we lie-detect any post successfully, or are there restrictions? Some games have a rule that you can't LD answers to direct questions, to avoid everyone lining up and saying "I am a Civilian" as an automatic checkable phrase. Also, what happens when Glorf is given Veritaserum? Super-honesty?
This seems like a question better directed toward the host than the game at large, which gives me the impression you didn't ask it because you care about the answer.

Well, the question can only be answered by the host.

I care to have the question answered because it matters to those who have access to Veritaserum. I don't 'care' about the answer with respect to a preference that's important to me - I'm fine with whatever DDL prefers.

Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:24 pm [VOTE: Sonjei] aubergine

Hufflepuffs are wimps and he’s from a poor family.

*sneer*
Hitting at house and home already, ouch.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 pm This Glorf talk reminds me of the presence of Veritaserum. This game has lie detection - can we lie-detect any post successfully, or are there restrictions? Some games have a rule that you can't LD answers to direct questions, to avoid everyone lining up and saying "I am a Civilian" as an automatic checkable phrase. Also, what happens when Glorf is given Veritaserum? Super-honesty?
The effects of Veritaserum are described in the OPs under set-up, which clearly state it's limitations. Any attempts at a loophole would be grounds for asking the host, not something to go off on a tangent discussing with other players. I am puzzled at why you are asking about it's effect on a specific player, unless it's meant to be a joke as by what I can ascertain from other's posts Glorf has a truth meta.

I don't see a point in this post in furthering town's goals, if anything it reminds mafia of a mechanic they might have forgotten about. It just wants to go off into pure speculation, you don't even bring up any good targets for use of it.

Baseless mechanics talk is a general scumtell for me so :

[/b][VOTE: [/b]] aubergine

[VOTE:

Well, as long as you don't vote for me.

Yes, the Glorf thing was a joke. I think I missed where the truth serum is clearly defined, can you quote that?] aubergine

Oh, you contagious tag-breaking bastard.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:37 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:26 pm Reasons?
If you want to hold up the name of Ravenclaw, you ought to read the rules.
I am not following this, help a brother out.
So here's the deal, bro. Some students have these "deathly hallows" whatchamacallits. (holy heck my spell check recognizes that word) And the only way for someone else to get them is to kill the player that has it.

... or to be the LAST vote on a condemned player's lynch train at day end. If the lynched player has a Deathly Hallow, it'll go to whoever the last vote was.
Thus the dogpiling on the end. You're welcome to join me. I have no idea how DDL will determine who the last person was to vote, but it'll be me.

linki: SONEJI ARRIVED!

Thanks! It should be fun at the last minute to be frantically unvoting and voting to try to be last.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:05 am Yes, you can make direct civ/bad questions to Veritaserum.

In fact, I'm likely to reject any questions that don't have objective answers.

Thanks, host. I love the subjective ones the most when I host. Signups for A World Asunder imminent!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.
The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.
Oh good someone already fucked up. Thanks Luna :P

This looks juicy. Explain?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:45 pm I don't understand why I'm engaging in this conversation.

I think I understand. You are concerned about having suspicion against you this early, so you're focusing on it more than is necessary. Why so concerned?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:19 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:23 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.
Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.
JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

PLAYER SALAD! Great catch, and an even greater image used. Took me a sec, at first I thought the women represented the accused players laughing at the accuser. Which was fun too.

Player salad is a proven finder of baddies. Even the last game I was in, I accused Luna of it, and she was bad.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:16 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:29 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:26 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:08 pm So who’s going to ask Glorfindel if he’s bad?
To be honest, this whole mess had completely slipped my mind. It’s hard for me to know what to do here - do I refuse to answer and get lynched by a rabid Town or answer it and put a target on my back Night 1? Either way, I guess it suggests a short stay for me this game...
Refuse to answer. We won't jump on you.... unless you look suspicious for legitimate reasons. You're just another player in the game dude
Thank you but you’ll forgive me if I lack confidence in the ability of a number of players here to apply ‘legitimate reasoning’ when I appear to be an easy target. Don’t get me wrong - I intend to do my best for as long as I’m in the game. The one thing that I think would make this game truly great though would be if Master Sloonei was playing. In my estimation he’s right up there with Jay.

Nah guy, enough of us are sick of that crap. Nobody likes what that has done to the game in the past, and it's just not gonna be part of this one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:17 am This game has too many players.

You're right, let's lynch one. Who should it be? Did... did you say it should be you?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 amMy personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.

Eh? What makes you say this? I have seen JJJ win as a baddie with everyone fooled.

Also, why is it "by some fluke" if JJJ is bad?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:29 am I've had btsc with epi and juliets before, that was definitely a conversation that would have been had in btsc instead of the thread. That's why epi pointed it out.

What are the chances that they DID have that conversation in BTSC?

told you it's contagious geez

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:37 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:29 am I've had btsc with epi and juliets before, that was definitely a conversation that would have been had in btsc instead of the thread. That's why epi pointed it out.
What are the chances that they DID have that conversation in BTSC?
I'm a turnip, not a statistician. But I'll say there's an 8% chance this convo was duplicated into the thread for next-to-no benefit.

8% is pretty low. And you're probably right. I believe that Epi would have a bit more subtlety about it if this were a BTSC-spawned distancing setup... as in, he wouldn't point his finger to it himself, right away, if it were done falsely. He'd let someone else realize it, or at the very least, call it out much later as early proof.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:22 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:06 pmMy comment was that we are not mafia partners because I like to discuss things with my mafia teammates, and I "spoiled" something for juliets (even though I PUT THE DAMN THING IN SPOILER TAGS), so we are not bad together in BTSC.
This logic seems unsound. Do you mean that you pre-discuss everything you say in the thread with your teammates when you're bad?
Like this right here. If civs weren’t capable of “unsound logic” then we’d never lose a game. Pedantic.

Ok, but you're putting your own extra ideas into this and implying that they're mine. My post said "I don't understand, Epi can you clarify?", not "Looks like bad logic and therefore a bad alignment."

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:46 am
I think I associate Dark Arts with Deathly Hallows as they are relatively both dark things. Or in my mind, both relate to the one who isn't to be named. The Deathly Hallows wouldn't exist without the dark arts I think.

It's like when I say scum. When I think of scum, I think both mafia and 3p (third party) are scum. Some sites like NF have taught me sometimes indies aren't scum.
Cool so I'm now 80% sure you slipped up.

I'm not suspicious of the 'slip', because when speedchuck explained that the Hallows going to the last voter was in the rules, I went to the Dark Arts section and looked, and went back to his post and realized the Hallows were a different thing. So the "relatively dark things" explanation is kosher to me.

Also, that reference to "the one who isn't to be named" might be pertinent. Maybe everyone should use that term instead of the V-word during this game.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?
This is obviously a good idea, right? Any objections?

I am town.
No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination). But because you've started this, I also have to say

I am a town.

Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it.

Epignosis isn't going to say that. Will that make him look scum to you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:15 pm
karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination).
What else would you use veriseritaum for? I'm not disagreeing, but did you have something in mind?

Use it on Epi's statement to catch two baddies: Epi and Juliets

Just an example of how to extend such a power, I guess. I think it would be really hard to beef it up past the 'alignment check' level, but we could try to craft some complex-logic statements that would reveal more.

I'm not on a baddie team with Dharmahalper, Juliets, Epignosis, karavalenge, or speedchuck.

There are probably better ways. Still tough to choose just one great statement if we all start lining them up. I think it's more fun to let the lie detector search natural conversation to find their choice.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:19 pm How ironic that Glorfindel is the one person who is barred from uttering the magic words.

No one is gonna use Truth Potion on Glorf. And that's the Truth.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:16 pm
karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?
This is obviously a good idea, right? Any objections?

I am town.
No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination). But because you've started this, I also have to say

I am a town.

Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it.
Epignosis isn't going to say that. Will that make him look scum to you?
No, I clearly didn't want to say it myself, but felt like I was pressured to. If you don't want to I absolutely will not hold it against you.

I think you applied that pressure to yourself.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:28 pm

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's pretty rude.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:39 pm But like otherwise, I’d have LC’s deathly hallow if he had one.

What? You dirty son of a bitch.

I don't even have a Hallow so screw you!

Help the Civs!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.

What is this some sort of breakdown?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.
What is this some sort of breakdown?
Yeah, tbh it's happened before/more and more in recent months and I don't really think it's alignment indicative

Really? Geez, poor guy.

I don't think we've forgotten anything. It's still a current thing. See Mega Man Mafia, the very last 'Job' game: I accuse Lunalee of Player Salad, and she ends up bad. Cute how she's accusing me of being bad for discussing game mechanics early on.

Player Salad is a bunch of names thrown together with a weak and/or unsubstantiated read on each one. It's apparently something baddies sometimes do, I guess in an attempt to seem more relevant and hunterly.

So you didn't really have a breakdown? Is it true what nutella said about the situation?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:33 pm So you didn't really have a breakdown? Is it true what nutella said about the situation?
Oh I certainly have, it is true. I wouldn’t want to dramatize things though. I still have my mental faculties most days
That was supposed to be a and the error ruined the aesthetics of my post

Oh, I quite liked the aesthetics as they are.

I just want to be clear though: I asked that question to get your opinion on nutella.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:16 pm
karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?
This is obviously a good idea, right? Any objections?

I am town.
No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination). But because you've started this, I also have to say

I am a town.

Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it.
Epignosis isn't going to say that. Will that make him look scum to you?
Dude knows me and bought me a rocking T-shit that I wore to work and nobody got. Fuck them. Rock on LC.

Well, I didn't think it was T-shit...

I tried to explain it to a 30-year-old extended family member, and he was like "Oh, I never really watched He-Man". Not cool.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default

Can you link to that game please?

Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:34 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:14 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:05 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:03 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:02 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
I don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.

... unless you meant townslip.
No I mean did she scumslip. They're two completely different things. One of them you were talking about, the other one you weren't.
=.=

Yeah I don't get it.
Ok I'll walk you though it, because I love you.

Here you explain the Deathly Hallows mechanic. Which, since they're all locked behind secrets, the basic gist is "You get one if you kill the guys that have them or if you're the last vote on the guys that have one"

Here Owner says "Dark Arts" and not "Deathly Hallows". Her exact quote will be helpful in understanding my thought process so here:

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 am what about me, owner? Give DH a break and flag me for a bit.
You knowing the intricacies of the Dark Arts stuff and sharing it could be an act to try to buy townie points. I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough about it to understand it all. Basically, if someone had or possessed Dark Arts abilities this game, they would probably read up on it or make sure they understood their abilities.

Technically, what you said is some form of mechanical-talk or a retelling of information, in which some of it is free to us. But it doesn't necessarily solve us the game or anything.

It's potenitally the kind of post meant to look like a person is being useful, but in reality, they aren't truly really adding to the thread.
"The intricacies of" - What's intricate about [SECRET] and "Keep what you kill"
"The Dark Arts Stuff" - if you've got Dark Arts on the mind and someone says Deathly Hallows, you might confuse the two. Freudian Slippage.
"I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough...." - [Secrets] and "Keep what you kill" doesn't strike me as hard to retain.

IDK thinking out loud, the best indicator of an actual slip here is conflating "Dark Arts" with "Deathly Hallows" because she had "Dark Arts" on the mind.
I think this has merit, the times when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this. By itself I wouldn't jump on this but that Owner has spent this whole phase tunneled on someone over a previous game adds to their rapsheet.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:12 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 pm Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.
I know how you feel. When I'm scum I feel bad about lynching all the innocent townies too.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.
The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".
This is the post in question:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.
so you know you're on different teams
I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:55 pm Oh, and just in case anyone wants to shove some truth serum down my throat, I'm town.
These posts from Lunalee all slightly pinged me, the mocking joke in response to TH, the preemptive excuse for voting off leading wagons, the overly long somewhat passive-aggressive post to say he's town and the fact that they prompted this JJJ wagon but only just joined it this late.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Disagree about Owner. I don't think it was a scumslip, as I said before, I believe the mix-up because I did the same thing. Just not in a post.

The rising Turnip Head suspicion makes me look at the Luna-TH interaction with a more critical eye, and it could be teammate-distancing. Her comment on JJJ doesn't have the same feel to it, I don't get a distancing vibe there. I could see Luna-TH as w/w, but not really feeling the Luna/JJJ w/w. The "preemptive excuse" idea does have some merit as well.

Also dude, learn the vote tages. You can't be opening a "[ vote" without doing it right: "[ vote ]Lunalee[ /vote ]"

Sorry to re-berate you on the tags.

Linki:

shit tone

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:05 pm

Can you read him? I'm asking for a friend. He did one thing I liked in the game that poutanko linked, so maybe that will happen again. But he's really null most of the time.

Speaking of that game, poutanko linked it as a game where you were scum, but when I looked, you were Independent. Poutanko gave you a Civ read, as I recall, based on that game having you as "scum who didn't tunnel this much". What do you think of that analysis? Also, are you tunneling?

Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:51 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:48 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:30 pm I want to lynch them chuck.
Why Soneji?
He made a post at Long Con that I replied to earlier that looked scummy in its motivations. This also happened right after I threatened to lynch him for chronic not-showing-up-itis, so that also factors into my read.
My post was several hours after yours, this sounds like entrapment where just by actually playing I'm suspicious. I suspect Long Con for baseless mechanics talk, you described this as "pointing fingers at a townie for talking", when the fact that his talk was empty is what is suspicious to me.

Ok, excuse me, but enough of this. The issue I brought up has been discussed, acted upon, had mild accusations levelled, and has become a short, referenceable, public decision for a number of players. Despite obtuse claims to the contrary, the parts that only the host could answer were answered by the host, as was my intention, and clarification edits have been made in the Rules post.

So get a new suspicion, because the "baseless mechanics" accusation is more baseless and suspicious than me bringing up an actual issue.

Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:13 pm
Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:51 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:48 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:30 pm I want to lynch them chuck.
Why Soneji?
He made a post at Long Con that I replied to earlier that looked scummy in its motivations. This also happened right after I threatened to lynch him for chronic not-showing-up-itis, so that also factors into my read.
My post was several hours after yours, this sounds like entrapment where just by actually playing I'm suspicious. I suspect Long Con for baseless mechanics talk, you described this as "pointing fingers at a townie for talking", when the fact that his talk was empty is what is suspicious to me.
Ok, excuse me, but enough of this. The issue I brought up has been discussed, acted upon, had mild accusations levelled, and has become a short, referenceable, public decision for a number of players. Despite obtuse claims to the contrary, the parts that only the host could answer were answered by the host, as was my intention, and clarification edits have been made in the Rules post.

So get a new suspicion, because the "baseless mechanics" accusation is more baseless and suspicious than me bringing up an actual issue.
My vote is not currently on you and I only brought up my suspicion again in defense of myself against TH's suspicion on me.

Ok, next time maybe say "I suspected Long Con for...", this looked like a current suspicion. And sorry to go off on you, that last post is directed to anyone coming after me for this. I used to be in the lynch lead for it.

Sorry for The Rush vote, just made it here on time to see turn its head and owner tied, and I don't think owner is bad, and turnip head just might be. Also I want his Hallows if possible.

Vote turnip-head

Heading to work now, I'll find out the Lynch result and catch up in a few hours, and hopefully claim my Hollows.

OH! Do a Loki grin now!

Epi, loved the 'four ingredient salad' comment.

JJJ: do I understand player salad?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:49 pm I think Colin is scum. Even before the flip, he was setting this up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.
He read me town for a little bit, but the instant things started going south for me he quickly did what felt like a 180 to me and pushed for my lynch.

Or basically, this whole if-then situation is particularly bad when both wagons are positioned on good players, which I feel like Colin knows this.

This is something that I will include in my own opinions. Good find.

Have I? My recollections are mostly of catching baddies with it. Maybe I look back through rose-coloured glasses.

Didn't I coin the phrsae?

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