The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:44 pm Aha, now we *can* lynch speedchuck.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:44 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:40 pm DH is refrigerator tho

Is Refrigerator good?

And nobody ever explained how DH is that role either.

Refrigerator provides protection, at a cost. It could be good or bad, I guess, but I lean good. Mafia roles aren't usually half-assed if you're helping teammates with them. I'd believe doctor before refrigerator.

As for why:

Pikachu:
cbob - fak lynch D6 role
DDL - vote manip
DH - has not been haiku'd I think
Dom - not the guy taking me off the poll
Epi - has been haiku'd
LC - dead mafia
nut - dead mafia
Quin - probably the guy taking me off the poll
speedchuck
sprit - cecil
SVS - plague

Haiku is still alive. The haikus did not follow us into Cerberus when the button was pressed. Of the unknowns (Dom, Epi, DH, Quin), Dom and Quin came with us to pikachu. Haikudude (DH or Epi) stayed.

Granted, you could have haiku'd yourself, unless I've forgotten or am missing something. And I know you can't confess to that. Heck, it might make sense as you protecting yourself.

...

Okay, so haiku is either Epi or DH. I forget why I had it as DH for sure.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 pm I'm counting on you, Quin.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

Wait,

Waiting until a civ dies in order to lynch a guy who has a solid, if arguable chance of being bad based on not only Role but Thread evidence is the logical course of action?

QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:52 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Dom did you see my theory that because Cecil survived 8 days in Pikachu without being killed after I outted him and then he got killed right when we swapped around, one of the Cerberus swappers killed Cecil?

I did not nor do I really understand.

Can you please explain point by point?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Sorry, must be too highfalutin with my college degree.

DH wants to get other people to lynch you.

Why does that make him bad?

It's so ironic that you missed the point when I mentioned college. You took it as an insult. I meant it as a compliment.

I don't think DH is bad. I never have.

Do you want to answer my question or not? I'm sick of this.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

How long do we wait for a bonafide revealer?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Is this the only reason why speedchuck could be bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

OK.
So... who does that implicate?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:03 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Is this the only reason why speedchuck could be bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

OK.
So... who does that implicate?

DH has something to say about that.

Hey Quin, I recall you being on a tribe with me where most of the first five days of the game were litigations of whether speedchuck was bad or not...

so like...

you pretending to have amnesia or not? Your (and SVS's) entire defense of speedchuck is predicated on the idea that this is the only reason to think he is bad.
It is not.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

Super.
You were there-- who might have done it?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:11 am I am not wielding a pitchfork.

I'm speedchuck's teammate, remember?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:09 pm QUERY: DOES ANYONE THINK THAT PIKACHU TRIBE WAS DEVOID OF STREXCORP SCUM?

Supporting info: The lopsided nightkill record, and sprit being killed right after the button press.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.

Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.



Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?

For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.

When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?

Civs.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.

Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.



Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?

For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.

What was your standing in the thread at the time?

Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:53 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.

Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.



Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?

For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.

What was your standing in the thread at the time?

Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.

Ruh roh.

Do you suspect me?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:22 pm I think Sloonei would be a good choice. Mr. Activity is most likely to make the most of the opportunity.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:06 pm I'm about to go snowshoeing for the next 24 hours, so I'll vote Sloonei to get that thread view.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:15 pm Woohoo! Yay prize! Thanks SpaceDaisy for coming in at the end there to seal the win!

I agree that Sloonei should go if not me. I’m fine with that.

Go ahead Sloonei! Can’t wait to hear what hijinx is going on over there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.

Marmot helped us win it. I also don't see what benefit there'd be in this given that they could presumably already communicate with each other across the threads.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:39 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:47 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:55 pm This is feeling mean
I will be back to vote and
complete my ten posts

Second of all fuck whoever keeps doing this to SVS

Assuming refrig can’t target himself then quin is the only option for refrig

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:50 pm At this point I'm almost wishing speedchuck gets lynched and shows up good so you'll get off my ass.

Aw, shit.

What? I'm gonna show up good. Have a little faith.

Yes you will show town
But you won't *BE* town; wishing
civs dead isn't town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:47 pm There's been several mafia flips.

How about we just start lynching people with fewer than several posts?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:52 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:09 am Pretend Wilgy and speedchuck didn't exist.

Who is bad and why?

i suspect ddl for the same reasons as i have since like day 2
i suspect scotty for dodging questions
i suspect cbob for only caring about the game when he's going to die
i suspect epignosis for having a solid connection to nutella, continually ignoring questions and then acting offended when i call him out on it, pretending to think questions were rhetorical when they were posted multiple times..... the only reason why i hesitate to say he's bad is that i haven't been night killed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:17 am Kylemii's interactions regarding Marmot are not convincing. They look phony.

elaborate.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:38 pm

“Speedchuck is positively, absolutely, undeniably, unequivocally, indisputably, inarguably, incontestably, incontrovertibly bad and I’ll stake my mafia reputation on it”, said Dharmahelper “or maybe he’s not I dunno”.

“Stop. Think. It's not logical to lynch him” said Quin "and the counter-argument department is closed."

“HE’S BAD MECHANICALLY DON’T YOU GET IT”, yelled sig. “He was bad in FE and in this game the hosts told us he was bad.”

“Did we tell them that?” juliets asked Golden

“Yeah nutella’s role told us”, said DDL.

“He is bad for sure
Even if he’s good for sure
Refrigerator”
Said the site poet SVS.

“I don’t disagree with the consensus that speedchuck is the top suspect”, said Sloonei as he voted Dr. Wilgy.

“I did a thorough analysis and determined that the inverse energy cascade of people’s thoughts coupled with a two-dimensional Navier-Stokes equation shows refraining from lynching speedchuck is not the optimal answer”, said Epignosis as he also voted Dr. Wilgy.

“I like that analysis”, said Dom as he voted speedchuck.

“Epi, I’m ready to eat”, said sprityo somehow mistaking Epi for a waiter “and I’ll have an Occam’s razor please”.

“Vote for Sloonei!” yelled Scotty “he’s a silkworm crying crocodile tears!”

“Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!” screamed INH excitedly.

Day 10 has ended. Speedchuck has been lynched. He was:

You are 59: The Moon (Elemental). Each night, you will PM one element to the hosts (Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust) and one player to be targeted for any effect the element may have. If the Sun is in the game, they will also choose one element out of Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust. When you and the Sun are both in the game, your element choices will combine to form one effect. Each combined effect may only be triggered once. The Sun's target will get the benefit of any positive effect, while your target will suffer any negative effect. You may not choose the same element or the same target on consecutive days. You will not be informed of the effects of your elements. You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

It is now night 10. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:51 pm Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 pm I'm counting on you, Quin.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:27 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:51 pm Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 pm I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:27 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:51 pm Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 pm I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:27 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:51 pm Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 pm I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Also assuming mafia alternates kills then we do have evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus.

This is true. But we have not identified who that hypothetical person(s) is. My point was just that, as far as evidence toward me not being an Even, all the rest of you have is that I was in the same tribe as nutella for ~24 hours.

Is there any explicit reason why you think I might be bad or is it just vague paranoia?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:15 am I've been less engaged with this game since the merge happened for a handful of RL reasons. I'll come back to it soon, but I've also been feeling a bit complacent since that one day I was in Pikachu. we still have lost more mafia than civilians in this game.

I get that.

I keep wanting to think that you got a red peel or something on Marmot because...well...I’ve said it before but you were so adamant about Marmot, and to pick him out of all the wallflowers in Bidoof 1.0, i honestly just didn’t believe it. But after a full day where you referenced bad Marmot in basically every post, I went with it. And here we are, you’re the king of the mountain, but you just seem...well...meh about it.

But maybe that’s because I stare at your avatar too often and begin to imagine that’s the face that looks back at you when you look in the mirror: salty, expressionless.

It could be worse. You could look like this:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:20 pm Has anybody posted a rainbow in here yet?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:20 pm I like SVS, Epi, DDL

I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.

I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.

Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.

Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.

I'll probably vote for Wilgy.

Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

nevermind. i misinterpreted it. he was talking about getting inspiration from players to put in the EoD posts. still doubt these posts indicate anything tho.

I just dug through all his posts to find what you were talking about and was gonna say this.

Also I got distracted in the middle of this activity because I got a random email notifcation on my phone at 1:30 in the morning from one of the Canadian grad schools I applied to letting me know I've been accepted. This is the closest I've come to actually being a canadian.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:34 pm lol what if we had it all backwards and Evil Evens kill on odd nights.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:56 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.

That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.

It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.

SYNDICATE CRIME STORY

THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY

1. "META"

Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, Vompatti. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.

Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.

Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.

That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.

Bleh.

2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"

As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.

It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.

3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"

Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.

FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.

FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.

This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.

4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"

This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.

All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.

My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?

Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.

I halfway agree with everything you say, but like... why not lynching Wilgy? We have more dead scum than town, Wilgy isn't playing and all reasons for lynching him seems plausible. Feels like we gotta get this page turned before moving on.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.

When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?

Civs.