The Syndicate

WHAT UP, BAGELFILES?

I’m here from a different dimension. Once again, town needs some help. I haven’t read anything.

Who wants to catch me up?

Is the general consensus that there’s 3 mafia in this game? With 15 people I’d expect this to be at a 5v2 situation right now. So not quite at LyLo

based on nothing, the counter wagon from yesterday seems tasty.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:22 pm WHAT UP, BAGELFILES?

I’m here from a different dimension. Once again, town needs some help. I haven’t read anything.

Who wants to catch me up?

Oh thank dog.

Do you really think that?

If you’re bad, Kate, I’m telling Dennis

IF HE WERE ALIVE

I’m going to do my DD, but I already sense the lines drawn in the sand RE Kate/SVS and Mac/Wilgy

I still haven’t read the game, but I don’t feel like that’s a terrible place to start looking

I don’t have a ton of time today, but I’m gonna start with the first 3 polls. I ISO’d Wilgy for these because i know I can count on him for vote tracking.
I’m adding the new reveal of Dennis:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:40 pm New Spread:

Wilgy -> Kate, Falcon
Kate -> Wilgy
Mac -> Lily
Nutella -> Rondo, Mac, TSP
Rondo -> SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie -> WWA

Falcon -> WWA, Nutella, Seanzie, Pyxxy, DrWIlgy
Kate -> Mac, TSP
Neon -> Kate, Porscha, SVS
Pyxxy -> Neon
TSP -> Falcon
WWA -> Dennis

DrWilgy -> TSP
Pyxxy -> Mac, Kate, Neon, Porscha, WWA
TSP -> Seanzie, Pyxxy
WWA -> SVS, DrWilgy

Keep in mind I’m coming into this with only the knowledge of who has flipped and no context. But right out of the gate, D1 was a bit of a scatter plot.
Rondo and Nutella were the top 2 wagons, and we know those were complete misses, so it seems wolves were sipping margaritas in their la-z-boys. Wilgy had 2 votes (Kate/falcon). The only revealed mafia, pyxxy, didn’t vote. What an easy day for mafia. Now, it stands to reason that at least 1 wolf is on the top 2 wagons. Though, it would probably help to see it in context via reading thread, I’m going to just assume the end of day was probably still clustered around the top 2 wagons. In which case, mafia could hide more off those wagons as they see fit. Probably a bit harder to analyze D1. But my instinct tells me there’s 1 in Mac/SVS who were on the top 2 wagons. But they’re probably not both mafia. This only makes no sense if town was hardcore failing D1, which is possible, but the polls see all. If this is the case, someone who didn’t vote D1 like Porscha could also come into the fray of possible partners.

D2: pyxxy gets in on the action in what seems like a self preservation vote on falcon. This day is probably one I should look at closer, because depending on timing, the fact that pyxxy went on falcon and not Neon (who coincidentally is voting for pyxxy at eod) could be enlightening. My gut tells me neon is just town here, but I can also see the realm in which a wolf neon throws an errant vote on pyxxy when pyxxy wasn’t actually going over. Especially considering Neon is a self professed busser.
Either way, if Wilgy is town (no idea as of now), it was only 1 wolf on falcon’s wagon. What does that mean?

D3 is tricky. Dennis didn’t vote. And a lot of unrevealed players on pyxxy’s wagon. There is high doubt that DOESNT have at least a partner bussing. This also requires a bit more scrutiny.



Next step is looking into ISOs. My initial hunch is to vote into SVS/Mac today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:41 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:56 pm I’m going to do my DD, but I already sense the lines drawn in the sand RE Kate/SVS and Mac/Wilgy

I still haven’t read the game, but I don’t feel like that’s a terrible place to start looking

Which is easy because.

a) I tried to kill Wilgy for 4 phases and only reevaluated when he nearly kamikazed himself yesterday.
b) Kate and SVS have been blatantly shielding each other with godreads since day 1.
c) Every person I was working with keeps being night killed. Every night kill so far except for Lily has me as their top town. TSP was sheeping my votes and Nutella tried desperately to convince your predecessor to stop tunneling me.

Without looking at your ISO and just at polls… ‘A’ isn’t congruent with your votes

Also side note:

Can someone who’s thought about this break down the proposed flavor of this game? Since waymond is mafia, should we assume the other mafia are the other main characters from this movie, namely the mom and daughter? I would expect Jamie Lee Curtis to be town in this configuration.

The mom has a thing for googly eyes.

I have googly eyes. Kate has googly eyes.

I don’t think this is a town power.

I don’t see Kate targeting herself or her partner targeting her. I don’t think Kate is bad just based on that

Thoughts?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:41 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:56 pm I’m going to do my DD, but I already sense the lines drawn in the sand RE Kate/SVS and Mac/Wilgy

I still haven’t read the game, but I don’t feel like that’s a terrible place to start looking

Which is easy because.

a) I tried to kill Wilgy for 4 phases and only reevaluated when he nearly kamikazed himself yesterday.
b) Kate and SVS have been blatantly shielding each other with godreads since day 1.
c) Every person I was working with keeps being night killed. Every night kill so far except for Lily has me as their top town. TSP was sheeping my votes and Nutella tried desperately to convince your predecessor to stop tunneling me.

Without looking at your ISO and just at polls… ‘A’ isn’t congruent with your votes

Additionally, ‘B’ doesn’t insinuate guilt

Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:23 am Also side note:

Can someone who’s thought about this break down the proposed flavor of this game? Since waymond is mafia, should we assume the other mafia are the other main characters from this movie, namely the mom and daughter? I would expect Jamie Lee Curtis to be town in this configuration.

The mom has a thing for googly eyes.

I have googly eyes. Kate has googly eyes.

I don’t think this is a town power.

I don’t see Kate targeting herself or her partner targeting her. I don’t think Kate is bad just based on that

Thoughts?

Look at my avatar.

woah.

So is it just you, me and Kate that have been googlified?

Also do you agree that it is a mafia power and that those that have been googlified are more likely to be town?

I could very well recant the idea that the targets are only town since it’s not like anything negative is happening. What’s to stop mafia from just targeting each other?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:53 pm Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?

Show me a single Porscha wolf rand where she made 218 posts.

I don’t know Porscha’s wolf meta. I don’t usually deal with metas or remember them.

So you’re saying she’s volume cleared?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:53 pm Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?

I would love to talk about porscha but I don't know her play very well. She is someone I'd actually have to go back and read to made an educated guess on.

What are your thoughts on drgoofy?

Haven’t ISO’d yet fully.

But first- when did you get goofified by pyxxy power?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:23 am Also side note:

Can someone who’s thought about this break down the proposed flavor of this game? Since waymond is mafia, should we assume the other mafia are the other main characters from this movie, namely the mom and daughter? I would expect Jamie Lee Curtis to be town in this configuration.

The mom has a thing for googly eyes.

I have googly eyes. Kate has googly eyes.

I don’t think this is a town power.

I don’t see Kate targeting herself or her partner targeting her. I don’t think Kate is bad just based on that

Thoughts?

Look at my avatar.

woah.

So is it just you, me and Kate that have been googlified?

Also do you agree that it is a mafia power and that those that have been googlified are more likely to be town?

I could very well recant the idea that the targets are only town since it’s not like anything negative is happening. What’s to stop mafia from just targeting each other?

What are you talking about? It's so deeply NAI you latching onto it is googly.

I’m coming into this from a bunch of random angles. It might be NAI, but ‘so deeply NAI’ is a bit dismissive of a possible solve

Granted I don’t have all the info and as more comes in, I’m backing off that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:02 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:53 pm Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?

Show me a single Porscha wolf rand where she made 218 posts.

I don’t know Porscha’s wolf meta. I don’t usually deal with metas or remember them.

So you’re saying she’s volume cleared?

So again, that leaves us with WILGY and Neon. What am I missing here?

Explain why Wilgy unvotes Dennis when Dennis is safely at 4 votes as a wolf, ending in a coin flip and nearly dying in the process?

Neon voted Pyxxy 2 days running.

Just looked at end of yesterday.

Yeah, that’s pretty head scratchy. The only thing I can think of, since Wilgy was around to manip votes at end of day is that wolves can settle ties. Mac, did you break the tie? I can’t tell the vote totals.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:23 am Also side note:

Can someone who’s thought about this break down the proposed flavor of this game? Since waymond is mafia, should we assume the other mafia are the other main characters from this movie, namely the mom and daughter? I would expect Jamie Lee Curtis to be town in this configuration.

The mom has a thing for googly eyes.

I have googly eyes. Kate has googly eyes.

I don’t think this is a town power.

I don’t see Kate targeting herself or her partner targeting her. I don’t think Kate is bad just based on that

Thoughts?

fyi I think there has been 3? different roles in game, googly eyes, happy posting, goofy posting? and lmao kate who also straight up said she thought a role (or was it all roles? idr) was mafia and when I asked why she thought that I don't believe I got a response, so.

speaking of happy posting, I have to do that today, and I just... just don't have it in me rn so i'ma fake it

but also scotty, you don't think kate is wolfing just b/c she has googly eyes? fr fr? in a world where the roles are all town, or the roles are mixed between town and wolves, or even if they all belong to wolves, it is nonsensical to assume kate is town because she was affected by one of them........... all of us have been affected by at least one of these powers the powers also prove nothing about alignment even if they are revealed. so how do you come to this conclusion? really seems like that's a poor reason to think kate has no potential to be wolf. at least get a better reason

hi Porscha

Yes, I’m coming to that conclusion as you keep reading

Since we’re not in lylo and multiple people have proposed a Kate/svs pairing it may not be a terrible idea to go there today. For science.

My mind is not made up, mind you.

The mind is a mess of dots and firing synapses and multiple realities

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:34 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine

the Scotty Kate team theory continues. WOOP WOOP.

I don’t remember hearing that theory.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:34 pm Since we’re not in lylo and multiple people have proposed a Kate/svs pairing it may not be a terrible idea to go there today. For science.

That's just such a bad and ungoofy idea. Killing let's say a doctor would be scientific

The reality of the situation is that unless you or SVS are able to provide a pelt today, one of you dies today or tomorrow in all worlds.

Obviously if we miselim today and then have to resolve you tomorrow we lose if you are t/t.

So you very much need to...
a) If town solve the game like the game depends on it today cuz it kinda does
b) Be persuasive and convincing about your reasoning for not suspecting SVS
c) Just go belly up if mafia lol.

This is probably the best course of action, unless we can mech solve them today. I don’t want to miselim someone not of Kate/SVS and have to go there tomorrow.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm @MacDougall what I was more trying to ask is what do you find about SVS that is scummy because in Cosmere she was mostly afk wolfing after D1/D2 (iirc) and I didn't find her in my spec chat escapades with Scotty so I feel like I'm down to sr her being normal because I don't have a better baseline

@Dennis feel free to chime in here too

I prolly have almost as many posts here as I did there already lol

But Cosmere wasn’t the norm for me, I had a death in the family and was totally AFK for 4 days then only really answered my @s and maybe one or two posts a day. Robyn carried me.

So that game is a bad baseline to use for me tbh

"So that game is a bad baseline to use for me tbh"
That's what I was trying to say, I could have been clearer, sorry. Didn't want you to have to reexplain I remembered the situation. Sorry again.

“Thanks for backing up my defense of you, partner”

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:32 pm _actually_ maybe I'm subconsciously omgus'ing this tiny era of the thread because WWA immediately suggests investigating me

it does feel like there's scum in there

but god that would be so brave for Kate to post as scum (imo)

and then everybody kinda got busy, Kate included, and with the fuel gone, the fire too perished

yeah idk uhhhhh 1 scum in "svs, windwardaway, Mac and nutella" shrug catch y'all around but like for real I'm back and playing I swear

“Kate could be wolf, but probably not, probably not.
They’re probably maybe a scum between most the remaining players.”

One of his partners in this group- svs or Mac.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:53 pm Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?

Show me a single Porscha wolf rand where she made 218 posts.

I don’t know Porscha’s wolf meta. I don’t usually deal with metas or remember them.

So you’re saying she’s volume cleared?

I have played a lot with her and I've never seen her break her meta like this. @Neon very much should share this read.

I've been hard defending Porscha basically all game on meta yes.

Though I admit as time passes I grow more wary.

Why is this? If it isn’t volume, what is it? Her remaining to be alive?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:36 pm Well Nutella and Dennis. Two dead town. Conspired to deduce Kate had green checked Nutella due to a post in which Kate cryptically stated "I feel like we should be listening to Nutella. Does anyone else feel that way?"

Pyxxy reacted there like the possibility could have been there.

I never said they conspired. I got brought into this weird scenario bc nutella seemed very civ and genuine to me and I said, maybe let's trust nutella. Dennis took thelat to kean I was hinting that I was a goofy cop. Nutella agree and accepted the green check. As soon as I read this, I clarified that I had no goofy info, just revised my read on nutella.

In a game where info is readily claimable, I would expect if you were actually a cop to have claimed it at this point.

I haven’t read this supposed green check in the ISO.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:24 pm

Actual footage of Kate this phase

Damn she’s a hard worker

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:35 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:22 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:13 pm 7 left... Likely 5 v 2... Next phase 3 v 2...

I could slank longer...

:really:

already preflipping are we wilgy?!?!? that's not very poggers threadstate of you!!!

Why not lol

I'm basically preflipping myself there as... Well again. My agency is like 2 whole penguins. Normally people are at 6 penguins and a bean casserole.

WE SHOULD ALL FIGHT UNTIL THE BITTER END!!! THEN WE MAY LOOK BACK ON OUR LIVES KNOWING WE DID ALL WE COULD, EVEN WHEN IT ALL CAME CRASHING DOWN!! WE MUST LIVE OUR LIVES WITH NO REGRETS!!!

also why is your agency only 2 penguins? why does it feel like you're giving up??? YOU WOULDN'T FAKE PREFLIP YOURSELF AS IF YOU WERE TOWN TO GUILT TRIP ME WOULD YOU?

and for the record, my agency does not include bean casseroles. me and beans aren't friends. my agency is 6 penguins and a bagel.

Aye, idk. Just a vibe this game.

I spent a lot of time on the theory "can I express thoughts using limited vernacular and solve via VCA alone as I think I'm improving at it" for that I have negative momentum.

Yes I would, but that's not happening here. If anything that has evidence of me nearly dying yesterday.

May I eat the leftover casserole then?

The casserole is all yours!! And half the reason you almost died was because of yourself!!! I do not know what to do with this limp wilgy!!! but I hope the casserole cheers you up and doesnt give you a tummy ache!!!!

idk how I feel about people talking about my limp wilgy

I hear there are pills that can help with that.

Can’t you just write yourself a script, doc?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:19 pm It was worse than rand. Because I voted Wilgy he actually ended up 3-2 briefly due to me switching my vote from Dennis to Wilgy. He nearly outright killed himself.

Yes, again he NEARLY DID, BUT he did not. He didn't know you were going to move if youre town. And how is killing oneself townie anyway when he claimed he though Dennis was bad?? Please tell me how that makes any sense.

But like…how does it make sense for a wolf Wilgy to do that?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:58 pm Alright I'm so frustrated right now, especially after losing my post. I'm getting ready to scream. Lol. Well lynch svs and when she flips civ, I sure hope you lynch wilgy tomorrow. We do think there is at least one more day? Correct?

we know we’re not in lylo or votes would be locked

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:44 pm Also at Scotty, you’ve hosted us as civs twice and saw our dynamic up close.

I am disappoint

Playing the ‘you should remember how we’ve played before’ card doesn’t work on me, David Blaine.

My detailic memory is shit and I’m spacing on that.

Regardless, I’m looking at vote sampling and my vote sampling tells me one of you or mac is bad from the D1, unless all mafia were Mia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:03 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:44 pm Also at Scotty, you’ve hosted us as civs twice and saw our dynamic up close.

I am disappoint

Playing the ‘you should remember how we’ve played before’ card doesn’t work on me, David Blaine.

My detailic memory is shit and I’m spacing on that.

Regardless, I’m looking at vote sampling and my vote sampling tells me one of you or mac is bad from the D1, unless all mafia were Mia.

Interesting. that's part of why I voted like I did today. And I don't know about your memory, you always seem pretty on the ball that way to me

Ok real talk

It’s something I’m grappling with a lot, actually. I have a lot to memorize for my work, and it’s always been the hardest part of my job. Especially when I have a fast turn around. I’m very good at cramming, aided with tons of repetition, and then easily forget things once my brain determines it doesn’t need to hold on to them. With games, they all start to mesh together being back to back and unless it literally just happened, my brain says buhbye.

So when I think of metas, I might latch onto one thing I remember you doing like 5 years ago. I haven’t made detailed notes for everyone, and perhaps I should, because what sometimes happens is I remember you doing something and then I realize later I was thinking of someone else entirely.

So all in all, I have an idea of everyone’s gameplay in broad strokes, but I have trouble with behaviors and metas. It’s best for me to approach you in a vacuum first before deciding if I can remember a meta about you

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:28 am My deeper concern with this threadstate is that if Kate is town, I think regardless of order there's a high probability we lose.

If Kate and SVSs suspicion of me is at least 1 part genuine and followed I get flipped.

If Mac/Porscha and I have another part that is genuine in our suspicion of Kate and we follow through Kate gets flipped.

Both of these things can happen independently of when they occur.

Normally I think in this scenario I'd opt for self resolution, but I'm unsure if I can trust the town on Kate's flip, much less, trust myself on Kate's flip.

I know it's a lot of words, but this could be simply "I'm terrified that I'm wrong on Kate now, the AtE is working and now my tinfoil is massive."

Then let’s flip SVS?

Based on how D4 shook down, the ONLY way I can see Wilgy as bad is if Mac is his partner.

Ok, time to finally look through Mac’s iso

372 posts

Oh no

Mac’s interactions with pyxxy: So here’s what I see:
-Mac put up a fight defending pyxxy on D3, which is something towns can definitely do. It just looks very bad in hindsight.
-His vote for pyxxy at the end was akin to throwing up his hands and walking away, while then also guffawing about the innocence of 3 people. I could easily interpret this as TMI, but I know better than to read into Mac’s spew as TMI if he is wolf.
-what is both comforting and concerning is his confidence in pyxxy’s innocence, and his intermittent solving around that slot, namely opening the door for SVS/Kate combo should pyxxy flip wolf. If Mac is wolf, he has left the door open for a SVS/Kate flip, and seems steadfast on that.
-Mac is obviously not infallible, as we can see from his terrible pyxxy take on D3. But I can’t shake the feeling that he was steering the bus away from pyxxy on purpose, and even now is leaving the door open for SVS/Kate.
-can mac be so wrong on pyxxy and so right on his further takes of SVS/Kate? Oh yes.

What most makes me nervous today is if we go after SVS/Kate, and they flip town, the line will be ‘well, obviously their godreads on each other were wrong.’

The flip today needs to solve other flips. Since we’re not in lylo we have that luxury. But we won’t tomorrow if we’re wrong.


I’m going to look to better articulate why I think SVS/Mac is the vote today

Let’s do an abbreviated NK analysis!

Lily was killed N1.

LITERALLY the only people she scumread were:
-Porscha
-Mac in the back half, voting there

Nutell was killed N2.

Scumread:
D1
-Mac in first readlist
-Seanzie (voted)
D2
-Seanzie (voted)
-Mac is openwolfing
-Kate might have TMI (voted)
-SVS for defending Kate (voted)
-WWA

I’m biased with this one, because I know Seanzie was town. And then throw in that Kate had that green check that nut then ran with (even tho it was retracted) and became a town leader, so why NOT kill the green check that night? I won’t put too much into stock nut’s scumreads. Her interaction with Kate where Kate then OMGUS votes nutella after fake green checking is…
Nut also did a full turn around on Mac as town towards the end.

I think there is definite frame material as nut moved into WWA/Seanzie/falcon partnering material.

WWA was killed N3:
Was a big reason pyxxy was voted out and I think it’s more likely to use this death as a side effect of that



I don’t know what I learned from this. I’m not good at NKA

Hey @Kate how surprised would you be if SVS flipped wolf? And why?

Also;

Has ANYONE revealed any info that could help the solve? I know we have up to 4 more roles that do things. One or two of those has to belong to town, and as far as I know, all dead town have been VT.

Anyone wanna…claim?
Or does anyone want to explain why that would be a bad idea? This is blatant role fishing btw

THIS JUST IN

I have perused a sampling of 2 games: one in which Kate and SVS were civs (lawyers guns and money) and where they were wolf partners (felt 3).

I gotta say y’all. I see lots of similarities between this game and lawyers guns and monry, and not from felt 3. I encourage everyone to look at that as well. Because this is quite a difference in how they interact with each other

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Woah

@S~V~S and @Kate have you ever made this meta town read on the other and been WRONG?

Just ISO’d Porscha in regards to pyxxy, and unless pyxxy said ‘please shade and bus me unprompted’ it’s hard for me to see them aligned. Porscha was unabashedly suspecting pyxxy all of D3.

Revisiting the polls

Wilgy -> Kate, Falcon
Kate -> Wilgy
Mac -> Lily
Nutella -> Rondo, Mac, TSP
Rondo -> SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie -> WWA
NOT VOTING -> Pyxxy, Neon, Porscha

Falcon -> WWA, Nutella, Seanzie, Pyxxy, DrWIlgy
Kate -> Mac, TSP
Neon -> Kate, Porscha, SVS
Pyxxy -> Neon
TSP -> Falcon
WWA -> Dennis

DrWilgy -> TSP
Pyxxy -> Mac, Kate, Neon, Porscha, WWA
TSP -> Seanzie, Pyxxy
WWA -> SVS, DrWilgy
NOT VOTING -> Dennis

Dennis -> Neon, TSP, Mac
DrWilgy -> Dennis, Seanzie, Kate
Neon -> SVS
Seanzie -> DrWilgy
NOT VOTING -> Porscha

How lol would it be if 2 mafia didn’t even vote on D1? I almost don’t want to believe it, and want to believe 1 mafia are in the top wagons

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:15 pm Y’all do realize if we’re lying about this for one game, where it has become a point of contention, no one would ever listen to our reads on each other again?

Kate is more competitive than I, and has more win drive than I do. But I doubt she’d risk the long term value of this to win one game. I know I wouldn’t. I was practically crying to Seanzie on our evil chat in GOC cause I thought she was mad at me ha ha

While I do feel like you’re both limiting yourselves if you’re that easy to spot by the other, you both know each other and godreads can just happen. My wife KNOWS when it’s my fart or the dog’s. EVERY TIME.

I’m tinfoiling
Mac/Neon or Mac/Wilgy right now and lean towards the former.

I think ultimately mafia leaving SVS and Kate alive is a mistake.

Mac is a crafty mafia. Why is he still alive if he’s town? Well, that can be explained by him being SO wrong about pyxxy, and WWA being so right.

OH I actually forgot TSP was killed. Need to do that NKA

TSP NKA and his suspicions: -brings up that Mac should be looked at.
-pulls that back as the day goes on, which in a vacuum is good look for mac.
-comes is more suspect of Kate and Wilgy towards the end

It’s perhaps the confbias I’m feeling right now, but mac killing TSP makes a ton of sense so he can come into thread today saying ‘why would I kill someone that started townreading me?’

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

You both are prime mischop bait today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

Please do further expand on how killing TSP was designed for you to push towards mac. I don’t even think I remember Kate going there, just SVS and now me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

also why were you keeping that to yourself?

If you think I’m wolf at this point, Wilgy, you are wrong

I’m being hard shielded by my imaginary friend, Montpelier.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

Please do further expand on how killing TSP was designed for you to push towards mac. I don’t even think I remember Kate going there, just SVS and now me.

one of the key points during my vca from the last cycle was 1 in TSP/Mac.

This was to the point where I wanted to solve in SVS/TSP yesterday (unfortunately we decided that was dumb and that I'm a silly billy).

By eliminating TSP and advising suspicions of Mac, it would reinforce the now defunct, but still previously alive, VCA.

Is it possible TAP could’ve been elimmed for other reasons than to point you in the wrong direction?

Because honestly I think killing someone to lead one town member astray is pretty unlikely

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:59 pm I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

So you’re saying Mac is locktown here?

Interesting