The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:16 am I mean... I like Akuma... and I'm trying to get into tekken 7... and... ok...

Wilgy is not a doctor, noted.

Dhalsim's a cool alien monk thing, I was never sure.

That stings a little.

Listen, I only ever played X-men vs. Streetfighter and in that game Dhalsim was a levitating blue elastic man who breathed fire and I was 8 years old. What was I supposed to think?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:11 pm I'm watching you Sloon. Always watching.

Let me know when I do something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:37 pm Sloonei, your responses to basic-tier poop flings of the Day 0/1 variety strike me as timidly playful. You answered them literally but did not attempt to explore the accusers themselves. WHY?

The poop itself seemed playful to me. The only thing in question was my perceptipn of a character in a video game I played as a child. I'll defend 8 year old Sloonei to the grave.

Speedchuck's vote was eye-catching, though. It looked as if he was just piggybacking off of a jab thrown by another player. I forgot speed games have 24 hour phases now and was gonna wait til later in the day to pressure him.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:37 pm Sloonei, your responses to basic-tier poop flings of the Day 0/1 variety strike me as timidly playful. You answered them literally but did not attempt to explore the accusers themselves. WHY?
The poop itself seemed playful to me. The only thing in question was my perceptipn of a character in a video game I played as a child. I'll defend 8 year old Sloonei to the grave.

Speedchuck's vote was eye-catching, though. It looked as if he was just piggybacking off of a jab thrown by another player. I forgot speed games have 24 hour phases now and was gonna wait til later in the day to pressure him.
Re speedchuck. I got the impression it was an inside joke between you guys where you fooled him in the past. That's why I asked.

We've played together in the past, but I can't think of anything that would have inspired such vigilant scrutiny from him. I don't mind being watched, but I put a vote on him because that vote of his is the thing that stood out most to me so far, and I need to leave in a half hour.
My mafia clock is stuck on 48 hour phases. I'll need to adjust to this pace.

To reiterate/clarify a point I made earlier: I don't think Jack was being serious about his desire to vote for me. His temptation to vote for me boiled down to a "That's racist, man!" joke. I read nothing into it. That it was then picked up, apparently, by speedchuck and Long Con is something worth pursuing in the absence of anything more substantial.

Linki x100: Stop posting so I can post!

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:15 pm To reiterate/clarify a point I made earlier: I don't think Jack was being serious about his desire to vote for me. His temptation to vote for me boiled down to a "That's racist, man!" joke. I read nothing into it. That it was then picked up, apparently, by speedchuck and Long Con is something worth pursuing in the absence of anything more substantial.

Linki x100: Stop posting so I can post!
I think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.

I certainly don't scum read either of them this early in the game for something so minor (pay no attention to my vote). We all need to start somewhere, and they chose to start with me. Let's follow that and see where it goes.

Or we can follow diiny's posts from earlier in the game. I missed the energy he brings to the table and he dove right into stuff as soon as he could.

@ MP: diiny is my first town read of the game. I like the way he started aggressovely flinging poo at the earlieat opportunity.
I'm heading out now. Sorry for only being briefly active, i'll do better later.

Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:29 pm MP: Why did you agree that jay is a neutral read and then say he's the scummiest non-lurker? I've read your explenation which makes me question why you agreed with me that he was neutral.

And I do have the weirds for MP but now more people have showed up and I need to grill them.

And now that there are other bandwagons forming I think I'm safe in saying that I completely agree with JJJ re sloonei. When I was scum with him in AOL he was very much off topic and then defensive. It's what I bussed him for, anyway. It's not much to go on, but for day 1 it's voteable. Considering him for my vote. Also makes me feel safer re JJJ.

Gonna grill these guys before voting though.

Would you say that this is an accurate description of my posts in this game?

I may vote Bass to save myself if I have to, but I'm also still at work and can't really engage wih stuff.

Voting Bass. Don't lynch me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:50 am @Speedchuck

What do you think of Eloh?
ISO'd her just now.

I give it 65% odds she's bad.

Why?

From what I recall, LC is a player who likes to be bold when he's scum. I remember a specific example from a fairly recent game, but which game it was and what exactly he did, I do not recall. It's there though. That said, I have a hard time agreeing with MP's assertion that a scum LC would "try everything possible" to avoid the spotlight. Generally a good rule to hunt by, but I don't think it applies to the player he was applying it to here:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.
That's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.

You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.

*vote MovingPictures07*
That said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.

I'd also ask him for fresh reads on new players. Hey LC, got any thoughts on players not named MovingPictures or Diiny?

EBWOP, let's pretend I know how to format things.

From what I recall, LC is a player who likes to be bold when he's scum. I remember a specific example from a fairly recent game, but which game it was and what exactly he did, I do not recall. It's there though. That said, I have a hard time agreeing with MP's assertion that a scum LC would "try everything possible" to avoid the spotlight. Generally a good rule to hunt by, but I don't think it applies to the player he was applying it to here:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.
That's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.

You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.

*vote MovingPictures07*

That said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.

I'd also ask him for fresh reads on new players. Hey LC, got any thoughts on players not named MovingPictures or Diiny?
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dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:57 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:43 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:22 pm gah no roleclaiming/outing really goes against my instincts

how have you found adapting, JJJ? iirc that's how the majority of games are played here
Does this post seem forced to anyone else?

I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
i doubt diiny has bstc
i meant dunya
confused y'all.
what is bstc and why do you doubt i have it?

Behind The Scenes Communication

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?

Have your thoughts on LC progressed at all since you left yesterday?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:07 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?
Have your thoughts on LC progressed at all since you left yesterday?
I felt he got rather defensive, in an agitated sort of way, especially with MP who for the most part was defending him. I'm not sure yet how I interpret that.

It's pretty exciting and challenging playing with brand new people who I have no idea how they usually react so I'm reading other people's interpretations of character and posts and relying a bit on the info I get here and there of what seems odd and unlike their usual meta, etc.

I get what LC said, but somehow I just don't buy it that he was talking out of character in some OT banter just yet so I'll keep an eye on him.

Do you have any thoughts worth sharing on those of us you are familiar with?

I took that as him putting a playfully intense emphasis on all his questions/demands for content. I could be wrong though.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:42 pm
malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?
I think this combined with his consumption of most of the day going round and round with LC makes him suspicious. To me at least.

Again, maybe the long-time players can correct me here, but it just seems fishy is all. I could easily be off base.
Hey, Mal.

Who is bad?
Not me?

Seriously, leaning towards MP and Eloh at this point. And maybe you, because you're posting.

Why MP? Why Eloh?

Speedchuck cast an interesting vote that no one is talking about. He voted for Long con to "facilitate an alternate bandwagon" to Bass, despite not having any personal reason to vote for LC. I am leaning toward liking this move. It's a bit bold and suggests that he is not overly concerned with his appearance and any potential scrutiny he might face and, while i don't ever encourage blind bandwagoning, I like that he took a stand which allowed the lynch to remain somewhat more open than if I had just hammered home another vote on the Bass wagon, in absence of a real suspicion to call his own.

Simon and dunya also voted for LC. Dunya's vote was early and she supported herself well. I don't recall seeing Simon explain his vote. Anyone have thoughts on any of these things?

I'm trying to follow along loosely at work, but every time I refresh the page MP has postsd another essay.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:28 pm
Sorry, my friend, but I meant you. You like direct references, I've noticed, so I'll pull some instances up.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:07 pm That said, I hesitate to scumread LC. I see your point, dunya, but I'm just not sure it means we're seeing scum!LC here.
Sometimes, when I'm trying to discern someone's motivations, I like to play a little game. I imagine the worst thing they could do, and then see if their actions support that conclusion. In this post, baddie MP applies nice mild buddying, while supporting the point that dunya made and was suspicious of. Further discussion of the topic also matches the profile of a baddie MP who, on one hand he kept the idea of my lynch in people's minds by discussing it a lot, and on the other hand he thought I was town and would say "RIP LC. I thought you were town."

Littlefinger's game is pure tunneling, and if you apply it to mafia you'll be the only townie in a sea of scum. If this is how you're looking at MP, it's no wonder you have a scum read on him.

I've only read up to this post so far, but i'm going to share one thought before I go any further: MP is town on volume alone. Nobody puts up this much fake content so quickly and effortlessly.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:19 pm Speedchuck cast an interesting vote that no one is talking about. He voted for Long con to "facilitate an alternate bandwagon" to Bass, despite not having any personal reason to vote for LC. I am leaning toward liking this move. It's a bit bold and suggests that he is not overly concerned with his appearance and any potential scrutiny he might face and, while i don't ever encourage blind bandwagoning, I like that he took a stand which allowed the lynch to remain somewhat more open than if I had just hammered home another vote on the Bass wagon, in absence of a real suspicion to call his own.

Simon and dunya also voted for LC. Dunya's vote was early and she supported herself well. I don't recall seeing Simon explain his vote. Anyone have thoughts on any of these things?
I appreciate you exploring this and I agree with your perspective. I also like speedchuck's recent posts exploring Elo as bad and in general it seems to me he cares about trying to solve the game. I have a town read for speedchuck.

I also believe dunya and Simon are on the level, but I need to explore dunya's content a bit more and I need Simon to post more things.

I am leaning town on dunya, in part because I agree with the notion that she seems to not have BTSC. She's had lots of questions about minor cultural/technical things here, which suggests that We The People are her best resource to go to as she adjusts to playing in a new place, rather than any teammates behind the scenes. It's been a long time since I played with her, and I suppose she could be crafty enough to deliberately leave these sorts of questions in the thread to keep us off her trail, but I'm gonna categorize that as unlikely at this stage.

I've never played with Simon before and don't know what to expect when reading his posts. And like I said before, I don't really remember seeing his reasoning for voting Long Con, so I can only really shrug at his vote right now. I'd ask if you have any specific thoughts on him, but I assume I'll get my answer before I finish catching up.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:44 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:28 pm
Sorry, my friend, but I meant you. You like direct references, I've noticed, so I'll pull some instances up.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:07 pm That said, I hesitate to scumread LC. I see your point, dunya, but I'm just not sure it means we're seeing scum!LC here.
Sometimes, when I'm trying to discern someone's motivations, I like to play a little game. I imagine the worst thing they could do, and then see if their actions support that conclusion. In this post, baddie MP applies nice mild buddying, while supporting the point that dunya made and was suspicious of. Further discussion of the topic also matches the profile of a baddie MP who, on one hand he kept the idea of my lynch in people's minds by discussing it a lot, and on the other hand he thought I was town and would say "RIP LC. I thought you were town."
Littlefinger's game is pure tunneling, and if you apply it to mafia you'll be the only townie in a sea of scum. If this is how you're looking at MP, it's no wonder you have a scum read on him.

I've only read up to this post so far, but i'm going to share one thought before I go any further: MP is town on volume alone. Nobody puts up this much fake content so quickly and effortlessly.
I would say it is MP's expertise.

As someone coming from the same area of expertise, I'd say that this level of intensity is nearly impossible to fake.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:54 pm Well, unlike most of the Internet, I will admit when I was wrong. After taking the time to go through and read the first two pages, I don't mind MP that much. Maybe that will change (as I haven't hit the meat of the final hours yet), but I'm rethinking some assumptions I made on skimming things. Will keep posting every 2-3 pages of reading so I can articulate thoughts so far (since otherwise people might think I fell asleep or something.)

Simon's comment of "people voting for their role in Day 0" just seems weird to me. I don't like that. It almost feels like some fishing. I know that we can't claim/hint in thread, why would people do that in a poll?

Also not feeling the Sloonei hate in Day 1. Yeah, Dhalsim being an alien is a goofy statement, and you get hate on Day 0 for that. Getting votes and nearly being booted just for that? That feels bad to me. Though I do wish that the votes tracked better during the day phase since they could be changed.

But after going to this point, since we're guaranteed a departure every day-phase with a plurality... D1, I think going for an inactive isn't a bad idea. Normally on HCRealms rules I dislike it, but here, I can see it working.

My self-centeredness has lead me to an observation here. Malakim, you note that it's ridiculous for me to get votes for my "goofy" statement about Dhalsim on Day 0 and, while I appreciate the support, it's not true that I received votes for this. Speedchuck voted me for what amounted to no reason, and Jay and diiny voted for me for perceived meta reasons. None of those people argued that my Dhalsim comment was a reason for suspicion. Really, nobody has done that at any point in this game.

Jay voted for me and suggested I could have used that line of questioning to kick off the game. I took it as a plain and simple pressure vote and was surprised that it stayed on my til the end of the day. I would have been more concerned if he didn't throw a vote my way at any point on Day 1 (he almost always does), I'm just not used to having it stay there. Seeing as he's now had to duck out for a replacement (that can happen?), it is less concerning to me, but I still can't put him (or his spot in the game) as anything better than a neutral read right now. I thought his line of questioning against me was fair and right up Jay's alley, but that's not saying much for him and he was unable to follow up on anything in any meaningful way.

Diiny voted for me and cited a past scum game we played together as his basis. I asked a follow-up question at the time but I don't recall him answering it. Hey [mention]Diiny[/mention], how am I playing now?

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:52 pm Okay, caught up! Read a lot deeper here, and these are my impressions, based on what I've read.

Diiny - I liked his vote for Sloonei, and I liked his bulldogging around on D1. Pretty sure he's a townie or civ or whatever you call them here.

MP - Actually, in retrospect, I take back what I was saying about him. Reading it closer, the posts appear pretty well reasoned (or are meant to look reasoned, but then that's the I know that you know that I know that you know game). Overall, scaling back the suspicious thoughts of him. Pretty sure he's townie/civ too. I do appreciate the elaboration that yes, this is his normal play.

JoH - Fairly confident in his play here, but it's different than his Realms play to a degree.

Sloonei -Seemed to keep it low-key despite the pressure he was under, which this early seems to be civ-ish to me.

Elochin - Having trouble getting a read. She was helpful, but then that's a great way to seem civ-ish too.

Long Con - I don't know if this is a thing, but I know I've gotten really defensive when accused early in a game when I was a scummer elsewhere. And... well, I'm not familiar with the player. But it feels like he's reacting the way I did in those situations, which makes me feel a little twitchy.

Simon - Considering LC had enough on him to merit a vote, I don't like Simon's fixation on the poll and E Honda-hating D0 to vote for LC. Especially when there was the split between Sloonei or Bass, and this feels like a random vote when you could go one way or the other.

Anyway, that's the general impressions I have so far after taking the time to take a deep read. I need to figure out multiquoting on here, or do you just do it the old-fashioned way with lots of copy/pasta?

A couple more questions, malakim! We've never played together before, so I am intrigued and want to pick your brain. You note that JoH's play here was "different" from his more familiar style on your homesite. Even though he's dead now, could you explain what this means? What differences did you perceive in his gameplay on Day 1?

You also say that Eloh has been "helpful" but then you waffle and turn your whole read into what amounts to a shrug. It doesn't seem like there is much of a read here, really. Could you point to specific examples of Eloh being "helpful" or any moments that give you any doubts about her?

Let's vote for ninja blooper because I don't remember anything she's said.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:47 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:24 pm Dom is bad, folks. Let's lynch him please. He's flinging bullshit opinions he can't even back up.
lol

You can't summarize your thoughts onto LC into a single sentence. It's because it's a hodgepodge of bullshit that you're going around your ass to get to your elbow to create.

But sure. The person that you, earlier tonight, said was making good points is now bullshitting because they're challenging you.

What specifically seems convoluted about MP's stance on Long Con?

I found a thing. [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention]

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:36 pm I'm gonna go write for a bit. I'm looking at people who don't stand out, toeing that line of participating and contributing. Too many Days 1 with voting the weirdo.

Linki - I am Blooper! :waves:

In this post you mention some vague unnamed people at whom you are looking, but you never mention any of these people by name. Can you point to anybody who is or was playing with this particular low-key style?

But then later, this:

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:43 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:40 pmOkay, cool.

I don't feel great about lurker voting on Day 1, but it's what I feel most comfortable with at this juncture. I'm still open to being persuaded though.

Whom would you vote if you couldn't vote for Bass or another lurker with me?
Probably either JJJ or speed for the votes on Sloonei for the Dhalsim thing. I'm wary of voting that way for the "look at me, I'm standing out on Day 1!" reasons I stated earlier. I want more info, and I like that playing is happening and want to keep it that way for today.

This seems to be the exact opposite of your previously stated line of thought. Whereas you'd previously stated that you're wary of people who don't stand out on Day 1, here you seem to be saying that you are wary of players for standing out too much on Day 1. Which is it? Or are you just wary of anything with a pulse around here?

also i'll point out again that Jay certainly did not vote for me because of what I had to say about Dhalsim, so it strikes me as odd that you would state a suspicion based on something that didn't actually happen. Could you clarify or elaborate on elaborate on what you mean here?

I was hoping I'd have time for more ISOs but my brain is fried and sentences are getting harder to type. I'm intrigued by the sudden developments between Dom & MP and I look forward to some follow up from and about them. I am still inclined to read MP as town, but his strong reaction against Dom stands out a lot. I'd like to hear more from Dom before I offer a read on him. Give me lots of stuff to read over breakfast tomorrow, folks.

I appreciate the clarification RE: everything, [mention]malakim2099[/mention], thank you. Care to share your top 2 or 3 suspects with us all?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:48 am Frame job for sure.

Who framed you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:19 am JoH was killed by the mafia. Thus:

MP is most likely town. If he were on a scumteam that was planning to kill Jack, he wouldn't have wasted a scumread on the guy. Rather, MP would have townread Jack and agreed with any wrong assumptions jack made until he died. I'm not even assuming optimal play here. MP wouldn't waste the time looking for a scumread on a guy he's going to kill.
Just to put forth an alternate opinion, since you seem very sure of this one: when I'm on a bad team, especially night 1, deciding on who to kill is usually something that happens after the lynch is done. If MP07 is bad, then I doubt that he crafted his posts around who was going to be killed night 1. I don't agree with your clearing of him, based on that.

Do you have any thoughts that aren't about MP?

Diiny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:24 pm people i distrust: sloo, eloh, squid, mp.

will elaborate when home from work.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:22 pm Not yet, but I'll be sure to let you know when I do.

I look forward to both of these things.

Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?

I don't object to your interpretation of events, [mention]MovingPictures07[/mention], but I need to hear Dom explain himself a bit better before I put him on the chopping block. He's made an assertion which has gone unsubstantiated to this point. It's certainly possible that you're a liar. I'd like to hear how he came to this conclusion.

That said, I'm not sure I'll be around when the time comes. I am once again working tonight, so I'll miss the deadline. I swear I'm going to be here for a deadline eventually.

I'd also still like to hear from Niju, or any thoughts people might have about this post I made last night.

A loose rainbow

MovingPictures

dunya
Speedchuck
diiny
Elohcin
Long Con

JJJ
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Simon

malakim
Dom
niju

MP is my top town read and dunya's not far behind. I like what I've seen from speedchuck and diiny but I need to see more of it, especially in diiny's case. He got off to a hot start but has faded a bit. I'm eager to hear his expanded thoughts later. Eloh and LC are GTH reads. I never read them as well as some of the more seasoned Syndicate veterans, but for the moment I don't feel like either of them are lying to me.
I lumped Jay and Simon in with our two silent players because

. Jay did standard Jay things when he was here, but that doesn't tell me anything, and I'm not sure how to read Simon.
malakim has answered my first round of questions well enough, but in the absence of any stronger suspects he makes it to the light orange part of my rainbow. His initial read of Elohcin struck me as a fine bit of waffling. Dom needs to answer some things, and I've shared my little bit of thoughts on ninja blooper already, awaiting response.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:10 pm Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?
Its what I immediately thought when reading the results last night. But I didn't say anything because I figured people would shoot down the idea and just claim I was bad.

Why was it your first thought?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:44 pm Thats the shortest nap I've ever seen.

Apparently squids are much more efficient sleepers than us humans.

Blooper's response does address the points that I was concerned about and I can see where my misinterpretation stems from. I feel slightly better in that regard, but there's nothing she said that compels me to read her as town. She's closer to neutral than scum than she was earlier, at least.

Instead I'll place my vote on Elohcin. Her reaction to the nightkill is not sitting well with me.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:35 pmBoo Mafia!!!

Her initial reaction is a hollow "I don't like this, mafia are jerks!" comment. This sort of post always rings false to me. The she makes a few other posts about unrelated game things, and when Speedchuck presents his thoughts on the kill, speculating on how Elohcin may or may not be implicated in it, Eloh hops on it with a rather strong stance:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:48 am Frame job for sure.

I pressed her on this, and her responses were not particularly illuminating and as I've thought about it I've been feeling less inspired by it. It strikes me as if she is trying to share as little of her thoughts as she can get away with, and I don't like that:

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I have to go in a half hour now (jeez it took longer to make this post than I wanted), so I'd like to hear some thoughts on this before I go. What do people think of Eloh?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:45 pm i'm sorry i cant contribute more, i really am sick. i read a few old games in hopes of getting a gleam into people's playstyle and it's been useful but im dying

you've done more than enough already today. go get better, being sick is the worst.

It does not look like I will be around to get any clarification from Dom. There's still plenty of time for him to get on and make some noise, but I won't be around to hear it until later. What do we all think of Dom at this point?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:59 pm I could vote Eloh to try my luck with nightkill analysis, or Dom. I'll vote before dayend, but I don't think I'll be around for it. Considering.

What's being considered? Think out loud if you can!

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:53 am I appreciate the clarification RE: everything, @malakim2099, thank you. Care to share your top 2 or 3 suspects with us all?
Just had a whole ton of work dropped on me IRL (I finished my work, but someone else didn't so I got all her leftover work now). And I'd rather take the time to back things up with quotes instead of saying "so and so" is suspicious to me, considering last night's discussion. Just didn't want you thinking I was ignoring you.

Yeah, maybe I'm taking this a little too seriously, but I want to make a good impression.

Though, the recent flame up between MP and Dom/LC was interesting to me. Will dig a bit more into that and get back to you.

malakim also promised us an in depth look at the MP/Dom relationship when he's able. I appreciate his commitment here. Make sure he sticks to it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:27 pm malakim possible w/w with Eloh. Would rather lynch Eloh than malakim I think. Positive results will spur a look at malakim.

Gotta say I'm not huge on lynching blooper or LC

I'll leave my vote on Eloh for now. Sorry I can't be active more around dayend. Family.

Could you explain your thinking here?

I'm off to work now. Sorry to miss yet another deadline. At least I can work comfortably in the knowledge that MP won't let the thread go quiet.

I was exhausted after work last night and had to wake up early for another shift this morning. I am even more exhausted now. I'll have things to say later. Sorry for going silent.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:16 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:46 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:10 pm Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?
Its what I immediately thought when reading the results last night. But I didn't say anything because I figured people would shoot down the idea and just claim I was bad.
Why was it your first thought?
This is a really good shout, and gives me hope for the sloon. I like his elo vote, but something still irks me about it. Even when placing his vote, he still asks for thoughts, as if requiring validation/seeing how popular/unpopular this vote was.

Were you the first to vote for elo, sloon?

I always ask for thoughts. I'm not saying things simply for my own sake, I'm saying them so that we all can talk about what's going on and what we're thinking.

I believe I was the first to vote for Eloh yesterday, but there had been plenty of talk around her prior to my vote.

I was more exhausted than anticipated yesterday. I ended up falling asleep for a couple hours, then woke up to social obligations before falling back to sleep. I meant to contribute things here at some point last night. I apologize.

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