The Syndicate

Hello I am a space ship.

Soneji wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:29 pm Voted Sloonei so he might agree to finally do the fusion dance with me, and become Slooneji!

I also vote for Slooneji.

I like the idea that the villains of this game are still the generic wolves, battling a fleet of space ships. They’re all in little wolf space suits. Little relative to the vastness of space, I mean.

I offered one single pre-flip associative read in Banjo-Kazooie and it gave me the false confidence to mislynch a civilian who I thought was paired with another civilian on Day 1. Never again!

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] why would we call you and mac partners, and why were you concerned about it?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:48 pm ok i gotta stop these jokes because they're probably massively anti-town

The only thing anti-town is a non-answer.

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.

How does that affect you going into this game, where those things are not allowed?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm 2 mafia solved already.

Bravo

sig wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:25 pm Is the poll messed up for anyone else? I can't seem to vote.

it is closed

sig wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear.
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine talk about those reasons

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

Why on earth do people keep thinking I have actual reads on Day 0?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.
I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

There we go

I wouldn’t say “pretend” though, I’m moving in a real direction when I vote, but it’s not because I think I’ve got anything figured out.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:30 pm I feel like I signed up for the demo of wolf chat and my trial is never expiring.

Why does this post exist?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:58 pm What do you even expect me to reply with there

Some sort of answer which addresses the mindset you had at the time of typing those words and submitting them into this thread.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 3:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 3:42 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:58 pm What do you even expect me to reply with there
Some sort of answer which addresses the mindset you had at the time of typing those words and submitting them into this thread.
Something something the posts that I'm reading don't make any sense and it's all a mess.

And what does that suggest to you about the players that are making them? Surely if you think you're in wolf chat then there should be a wolf or two about.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:07 pm I think it's too wolfy to be a wolf but they seem like posts that wolves make anyway.

I have a bad habit of scum reading posts that I can't understand.

This wasn't really scum reading Jack but it just felt like...what did I just read

and it felt this way for a few pages now

I feel like there's no villager posts, I think Myo is maybe slightly >rand to be a villager.

Why is Myo the only player you can read?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:12 pm I think there's a bunch of NAI content and Myo is the easiest read. She's being pure.

okay but why?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:14 pm Why is she being pure??

Why is she the easiest to read? Why do you perceive her as pure?

I agree and I think you're town too. Let's decide where my vote should land next.

i'll see what happens when jack gets a vote

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:07 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:41 pm Vote Mac and see what happens /shrug
A vote for Mac is a vote against a town win con.

Prove it

the problem with this game right now is that all the posts have been made by like five people.

hey everyone else, come talk about the talkative losers.

wait i just realized i based my town read on ted off of conflated memories.

I thought he reminded me of our first town game together where i tried grilling him early on and he was resistant, which i suspected him for early on. But what I was actually thinking of was the time I did that in the Game of Champions when we were scum partners. He reminds me more of that right now. But... I was his teammate asking him those questions. So I don't know what that does to the data.

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:51 pm [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:30 pm I feel like I signed up for the demo of wolf chat and my trial is never expiring.
Why does this post exist?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:58 pm What do you even expect me to reply with there
Yea I'm not seeing the points of some of Sloonies pokes. Seems like he's throwing shit on the wall and seeing what'll stick.

I feel like you make this exact post every game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:36 pm “Throw shit on the wall and see what sticks” is basically the sloonei motto tbh

I’m pretty sure I’ve used those exact words to describe my strategy.

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 9:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:51 pm [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:30 pm I feel like I signed up for the demo of wolf chat and my trial is never expiring.
Why does this post exist?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:58 pm What do you even expect me to reply with there
Yea I'm not seeing the points of some of Sloonies pokes. Seems like he's throwing shit on the wall and seeing what'll stick.
I feel like you make this exact post every game.
Maybe if you didn't do it every game, I'd not say it.

You can’t ask a bird not to fly.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 12:18 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:07 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:41 pm Vote Mac and see what happens /shrug
A vote for Mac is a vote against a town win con.
Prove it
Lynch me, you'll see.

That wasn’t the point I was trying to make.

Moved my vote back to ted

“Why ted?”

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Voting for an inactive player at this stage in this game would be like throwing darts at a board while blindfolded and drunk.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:53 pm Voting for an inactive player at this stage in this game would be like throwing darts at a board while blindfolded and drunk.
Inactive players lose civs the game at the end, better to deal with them at the start if you don't have something better to go on. That is my opinion, has been for ages and will continue to be. Now I'm off to run a Star Trek rpg over my lunch and then rush back to work. I'll probably be too busy until work gets out at 6 my time to check back before then.

Yes but when over half the roster qualifies as “inactive” then the decision to take out any one of them over the others becomes more random.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:37 pm [VOTE: Soneji ] aubergine

yeet

Why?

Placeholder vote on Colin. Ted’s response RE: sonenji looks like a civilian.

I’ll figure out what fo think about soneji later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 5:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:56 pm Placeholder vote on Colin. Ted’s response RE: sonenji looks like a civilian.

I’ll figure out what fo think about soneji later.
Wait....what?

Ted is town. Soneji is tbd.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:54 pm This is what bothered me lmao. This is such a bad thing to even throw shade about. Do you honestly believe that I wouldn't try to find scum at all, especially if I stated I don't get major town reads?

I said I will focus primarily on town hunting, yes, but by doing that, you can see a lack of a town mindset. Also, I did mention that if I find a scum lean on the line, I'll let you know.

It is just...such a bad line of shading to take for a villager here, like, really? Shading me for scum hunting when this game is revolved around lynching scum?

I don't believe that him, as a villager, would actually think that's worthy of lining out.

This is the section that got me to town read ted. It looks like a very authentic read and I can sense tinge of annoyance in his tone here. That is not to say I agree with him. "This is not a townie mindset" often just means "this is not something I would do as town", and I'm not often swayed by that argument. I'd like to give soneji more time to do things in this game, at any rate. I do not have a firm read on him one way or the other, upon review. I think he's a player who makes more sense if we give his reads time to develop, though it's been a while since we played together.

ISO links for my own sake:

ColinIsCool
Dragomir
Jackofhearts2005
JiwonMeganPark
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
Myo
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Sloonei
Soneji
Spacedaisy
tedxtr

Mini ISOs because something needs to happen in this game. Colin and Drago haven't posted yet. They both get a shrug.

Jack:

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I like this post for vague reasons. I feel like it shows a Jack who's eager to get back in the saddle after a very disappointing result in the game that recently ended. Ordinarily I'd raise an eyebrow over Jack being so focused and on-topic early, but instead I read that as a hunger to solve a game after the Corrupt!? experience, as evidenced in these posts:

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Not enough has happened to assess the direction of his reads. That's gonna be a common thing here. But based on attitude and energy, Jack feels like a civilian. Would not lynch.

JiwonMeganPark:
I have never played with her before. This player is totally new to me and I have no expectations.

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Hi.

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The term "derpclear" was tossed around in response to this post and I can kind of see it. The idea for such a thing seems typical for a player who comes from somewhere other than The Syndicate, but I don't know if it gets suggested so bluntly by a player in a new (to them) community if they would be unable to support their own hypothetical role claim. Is this angleshooting? I hope not. Either way, this isn't a solid read. But I'd lean town for the whimsy of it.

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Cryptic and even more whimsical. I love it. I don't understand it, but I love it. Slapping a town read on Jiwon because it seems like a fun thing to do.

Longius Connium

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"Mafia talks about mechanics" is an argument I've fought against a bunch in the past and I think it's hugely overstated in a lot of games.
So, like, is this mafia Long Con talking about mechanics for the bulk of his early content? There hasn't been much progression beyond this early banter:

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Turns out it was LC who suggested the "derpclear" angle on Jiwon, only he accompanied it with an immediate dismissal. The shade feels a bit unnecessary.

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This also feels a bit like an obligatory vote. "I have to do something so I'll call Jack suspicious for this post." I don't love LC's posts, but usually when I do love his posts it means he's bad. He's light orange on my imaginary rainbow for now, for the sake of taking a stance.

Let there be Mac

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I've gotten slightly better at identifying civilian macdougall in recent games, but I'm still not all that good at identifying mafia mac. One thing that I am wary of is that Mafia Mac is perfectly capable of projecting extreme confidence in his phony reads. These early posts would be a blueprint for that. But the reason I'm historically awful at reading Mac is that this tendency isn't out of character for him as a civilian either. He said as much here:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 6:11 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 5:26 pm @motobot @MacDougall You guys are making some certain sounding reads here, can you tell me why?
I like to project confidence in all of my doings

My concern here, if I decide to run with it, would be that Mac's projection of confidence is simply that: a projection. I have no distinct reason to lean in that direction at the moment, but it's a possibility that exists.

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Contrary to Jack's seeming palpable energy to redeem himself from last game, Mac's acknowledgment of that experience seems more distant. I don't award him the same credit as Jack, but he doesn't lose any points here either. I'm just noting the absence of a town read rather than the presence of a suspicion.

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See, there's absolutely no reason this post can't exist from a mafia macdougall. There's no reason why it has to be a mafia macdougall either, but

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He reverses that early scum read on Jiwon. I guess I sort of like this post a little bit, kind of.

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This was not the response I expected when I prodded Mac. I meant my "prove it" as in, "Go do all the town things, Mr. Doguall. Be a shining beacon for the rest of us in the dark cold void of space, you noble beast." But he took it as an accusation of sorts, which... maybe that indicates a sense of guilt somewhere in the back of his mind? I'm not a psychologist though. I am a space ship.

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Lots of people pounced on soneji. Mac was one of them. I dunno. This post, again, is not out of character for any version of mac.

Mac, as always, gets a shrug read. I don't have the energy to recommend lynching him right now.

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:48 pm Also, what is salad?

Player Salad is the signature dish of the Syndicate!

We use it to refer to somebody who provides a vague list of suspects that they would lynch. "I would lynch players X, Y, & Z. Maybe W." is the standard recipe. It's seen as a bad thing.

World famous Walrus Participant motobot is joining us for a mafia game. I think this is his first time playing? Welcome!

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If this is his first game, then this is the first post he ever made in a mafia game and it's the most straightforward smackdown of Macdougall I've ever seen. Moto is instantly my favorite player in the game.

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Can you tell us more about why you think nanook is evil, motobot? What evil things did he do?

Myo is a confident town read.

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First, I can't even imagine how mafia looks when played on reddit. That feels... cluttered? I'm sure it's nice, it just seems foreign to me. Second, it warms my heart that we come up on google searches for mafia resources and that someone looked to us Jay for assistance.

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Now onto the actual read. A question like this tells me that Myo is genuinely reading and trying to figure out what all these new people are talking about. We're using terminology he doesn't know and she seeks clarification without a moment's hesitation. That sort of openness and ease is what I like to see in a civilian. Speaking of openness and ease:

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Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.
How does that affect you going into this game, where those things are not allowed?

I don’t really think it should change things that much for me. I’ve played games before where the seer/power-roles died without revealing and so there were no role-claims/info to be shared late game because the role was already dead. The majority of my town/sus reads tend to be based on comment/vote histories and interactions with other players anyways. Having the power-role info does allows things to ‘slot’ into place and helps guide a bit (contextualise might be a good way of thinking about it) but this is also achieved by alignments shared in the meta when someone is lunched/night killed.

I am very excited for the public vote tallies, which are something I have never seen before.

I asked Myo a few generic questions about gameplay/strategy/whatever, and the answers were again very carefree and open. There are no reads on this particular game in these posts, but I feel like I'm talking to a player who is not uncomfortable to be here; a player who rolled scum in a new environment might be less comfortable.

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This is the only thing that really constitutes a read from Myo so far in the game. I approve of the direction.

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Another question that suggests she's reading along and trying to figure out our silly styles. Groovy.

I like the tone and am willing to trust Myo. The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:03 pm This is great—now we TK the drago/nutella slot, and if it flips mafia, awesome! If it flips town, we get nutella 2.0 in the Colin slot.

What could go wrong!

We're living in a futuristic utopia with access to both lightspeed travel and a never-ending jar of nutella.

nanook the grated... does anyone know a type of cheese that rhymes with fearsome?

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Nanook confirmed nanook. Cool.

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A man of his word. I'd ask why these reads exist, but...

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Never.

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See above.

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This constitutes the absence of a scum read on me, at least. I... appreciate that, I guess.

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A legitimate question. I'll call that a tentative good look, but absolutely nothing in here is out of range for Evil Nanook.

He's been loose and carefree, but I've seen scum nanook be those things in the past. My meta read on him is still a work in progress since I only saw scum nanook for the first several games we played together. I have no direct reason to accuse him of anything yet. I don't really know what to do with these posts. They exist.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:19 pm I have a question, is anybody pooping right now? Cuz insta lock wolf right there.

The game is over 24 hours old now, surely we're allowed to poop.

wait, did the pooper actually end up being scum in that game? I didn't follow past day 1

sig

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Contrary to his objections, sig's style isn't really too different from mine. His day 1's typically feature widespread accusations based on minor events. These posts reflect that. There's a mix of town and mafia reads, but the suspicions are derived from small Day 0/1 events. So

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This doesn't seem like an atypical thought for sig.

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nanook called him out for this, and it was legitimate observation. To this point it did not appear that Daisy was aware the game had started. Why sig felt the need to make this post, I do not know.

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The implicit angle that I/we should be lynching an inactive player today does not sit well with me, but I have an easier time accepting it from sig than I would from some others. He sees different things in the game than other folks. It gets him in hot water all the time, but he is not without his method.

Light green.

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