The Syndicate

All hands hoay! This ship's 'bout to set sail again! Don't want to see no landlubbers round these parts, everyone be carrying their weight round here or they be shark bait!

Me vote will be cast. Eye-patch; we pirates can wear headscarves just as well as dem tricorn hats!

M'wealth won't be spent on no hats! Women and drink. That's where me money goes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:51 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm idk dogs are gross

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:40 pm Dogs are gross.

You people are monsters.

Dog haters are suspicious as hell.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

I think you should have said that after the people worth eyeing had already shown themselves

Looking back, I’m not sure what to make of this post. I came to the same conclusion as Quin did here, but I don’t feel like Quin does anything with it. It’s like Quin just made an observation but didn’t use it as the basis for developing a read on sig.

Explain yerself here, mate. From where I'm standing, I think you're asking for the moon and stars and then some. Least Quin said something yesterday, you didn't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:09 pm Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.

I can't remember the last time I played a game where people still encouraged a day 1 no lynch. Ballsy. Ye got some balls, LC.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:34 pm I don't know some of you very well yet so I want to ask a question. Please respond without complaint:

What breed of dog would you most liken your gameplay to?

French bulldog. Messy but boy am I determined.

Maybe you were waiting for sig to reply.

Maybe it was a rhetoric.

Maybe you were thinking out loud.

Maybe you had to go take a shit.

Maybe you went to sleep.

Maybe you went fishing.

All options possible.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:21 pm I don't even know enough dog breeds to label myself. I like huskies.

Siberian huskies have such strong predatory instincts that smaller pets -- such as cats, birds, rabbits and ferrets -- often aren't safe sharing a home with them.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

For the reasons that I outlines, or for some other nebulous non-scientific reasons?

it's a good choice, statistically, to go with a no lynch -- yes. In a 12-person game with three mutineers, you have a better chance to lynch a mutineer on Day 2 than Day 1 -- undoubtedly. A lot of this game is gut instinct, though. Day 1 gut insticts are shittier than all the other days by a small margin, but there's still some info and intel you can garner from a Day 1 lynch. Pirates' strongest weapon is the lynch, and by choosing not to use it, it makes Day 1 a bit of a waste. I've found even mislynches and Day 1 wrongs can be helpful in scum-hunting.

Don't forget pressure votes and reactions. How someone / people react during a lynch is also extremely valuable info.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:29 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:23 pm Maybe you were waiting for sig to reply.

Maybe it was a rhetoric.

Maybe you were thinking out loud.

Maybe you had to go take a shit.

Maybe you went to sleep.

Maybe you went fishing.

All options possible.

I can guarantee that with the aftermath of the large quantity of sour worms I consumed yesterday, I definitely had to go take a shit.

A shit a day keeps the doctor away.

Dragon D. Luffy, why is a no lynch wrong 95% of the time?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:06 pm early consensuses dampen discussions

honestly if day 1 no lynches were standard, you might as well go from Day 0 to Night 1. (I've played in such games before)

NewTraditionalist, what say ye?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:21 pm discussion of no lynching is a great way to bring early content into the thread though.

also puts LC in a good light for me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:58 pm dunya something about you gives me the feeling you are very on the fence about no lynches. If you are against them, why did you ask me?

I am not on the fence, let alone "very on the fence" about a no lynch. My opinion and reasons are very clear, I am against one. Your opinion was clear, but your reasons not; hence the question.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:14 pm I would like to hear more from these guys:
Epignosis 1
NewTraditionalist 1
Ricochet 1
Spacedaisy 1
SpankGangsta 1

Epignosis is who you message if you're feeling frustrated with the game; he's not playing.

speedchuck; explain your vote on me.

I like you Kyle, so it's gonna hurt me when I say I don't feel good about you this game. Catching up with the thread and will post some names and whys and who's soon enough.

I'm assuming in 3hrs and 15mins approx?bI have been swamped with work and house work. Eff a tuesday. I'll be scrambling my thoughts and vote.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

Why the hell did you just claim?

AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:43 pm I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

what's a ping? or why is it a ping?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:47 pm I'm assuming in 3hrs and 15mins approx?bI have been swamped with work and house work. Eff a tuesday. I'll be scrambling my thoughts and vote.

it's 27 hours still, you don't have to scramble

Oh good. I did wonder how I got the times so wrong.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

didnt like this as a first post.

hey everyone let's look at everyone who roleplays
but let's also not

bad first post. leaning scummy for sig.

the fact that sig posts a few posts immediately before and kyle (my other scumspect) calls out 3 other players itt at the time to give their scumspects but ignores sig also doesn't sit as well with me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:51 pm Speedchuck, Quin, and MP, I would like to know if you have any early reads in anyone?

but then sig posts this:

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

and now I feel pretty good about sig. A scum wouldn't ask the cop to roleclaim as soon as they have a lead on day 1. A scum wouldn't be telling power roles what to do at all on day 1. His later clarification on why 1 PR civ is equal as 1 scum. I can follow that logic. I dig his reasons. I dig his gall. I dig his persona.

overall leaning town for sig.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:05 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

Why the hell did you just claim?

AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

That was fake?

What the hell?

This is what sig was talking about. People fakeclaiming confuses readers sometimes, especially people who pop in and out of the thread during the day without paying full attention.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:53 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:48 pm I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

And? Come on man, please give me and the thread something. I have no idea why you’re seemingly agreeing or disagreeing with things.

perhaps Wilgy is our mute pirate.

SpankGangsta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:34 pm Sup putas

Just checked the site and saw the game is started lolme

Will be here in like 7am est, need to do some stuff and sleep atm

It's 3.21pm est. A pirate is nothing short of his word.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:53 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

Aye, any pirate worth his salt will tell you Rum is the spirit to be drinkin'!

The girl's drank so much rum, she's been MIA since this post.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:21 pm

SpankGangsta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:34 pm Sup putas

Just checked the site and saw the game is started lolme

Will be here in like 7am est, need to do some stuff and sleep atm

It's 3.21pm est. A pirate is nothing short of his word.

or her.

I need to get my pronouns straight.

so far

Friends
Wilgy
Dragon
sig
LongCon
Meh
speedchuck
movingpic
Quin
Foes
kyle

need more intel

newtraditionalist, daisy, spankgangsta

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:31 pm Dunya, since you're here, can you tell me your thoughts on DDL?

perhaps I will.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.

can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?

He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.

I agree with DDL read, same for me.

Also some some of the things he questioned and way he questioned it and reactions to everything make me feel he's town in thought process rather than mafia.

Long Con and sig, going at each other again. I'm sure there was another game I was part of (as a replacement) where this happened with Long Con and someone else, and it was two townies going at each other. sig comes off as more townie, but Long Con is basically reacting as townie Long Con did in that JJJ game.

I suggest sig and Long Con lay off each other for a day and see how they feel about each other after Day 1. Don't focus all energy on 1 person on Day 1.

So everyone here thinks that if the cop sees someone fakeclaim as cop they think they're covering for the real cop? What good does it do to the thread though? Why can't mafia fakeclaim to be cop?

I've never played in a game where civ fakeclaim resulted in good things, so I am entirely biased.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm If the town are mindless sheep and follow whoever claims cop or allow the conversation to be derailed by it, that's not a town team I want to be on.

this post reads as slightly arrogant.

Yes, I take claims seriously. Don't fake claim. Fakeclaims, and further fake results, derail the thread endlessly. I don't give a shit if the real cop gets more nights, you're wasting town effort on wild goosehunts and derailing THEIR efforts. The cop could check every civ in the game before hitting a scum. This game isn't all about the cop...it's a team effort. Plenty of games where the cop died before giving any reads, or gets lynched before targeting a scum prove that Townies can win the game through analysis and intel. Don't fuck that up with fake claims and fake reads.

It's the cop who should be smart enough to blend in and reveal him/herself in good time.

I love Wilgy

Seriously, his emoji comments are on point.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amIs Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

Just because I'm not throwing accusations yet doesn't mean I'm not working. On day one I suspected you for being too gung-ho so I asked everyone the dog thing and found out that that's kind of just who you are as a person along with some other stuff.

Now I'm working on something else

What specifically do you want out of me?

please explain your vote?

You asked "What specifically do you want out of me?" - Wilgy is saying he wants the mafia out of you.

umm dunya from RYM says mafia/scum would fakeclaim on rym to save their arses, indeed, many mods would give one member of the mafia team a free fakeclaim sometimes even! -- but civs would not fakeclaim. except maybe rundontwalk but he was so eccentric and would get lynched literally the same day.

~my experience---- in games dunya has played in~

i still think everyone pushing for fake claims underestimate how much effort it goes into building evidence and reads, and fake claims can literally blow them away if believed because one person can impact everyone. then you get into fake reads, and people putting effort into analyzing and building new cases on those.

How can you not see that as counterproductive?

This is mafia. This is a team-game. The cop does not win this game for us. The Cop is not the everything, everywhere, at all costs kinda guy. We don't sacrifice everything for the cop, that's just silly or we'd change the whole basis of this game.

If that's the norm for The Syndicate, then fine, but I don't have to like it--indeed I don't.

I don't even know why we're arguing about this-- if someone's going to fake claim, they're going to fake claim.

But here's my frown. I'm frowning at you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:53 pm does that link i posted actually go to anything?

no sorry, broken page.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:48 pm If that's the norm for The Syndicate, then fine, but I don't have to like it--indeed I don't.

I would not call it the norm for The Syndicate. In fact people are split in it here because culture began in a strict no role claiming no info
Dumping rule set.

I find it difficult to see why you can't at leDy acknowledge there are pros to fake claims from civs. They can and have won games for civilians. But as with any strategy there are risks inherent. I can acknowledgethat. Can you not see the advantages that they provide as well?

I am not telling people to fake role claim. I don't feel the need to tell others how to play. But I am disagreeing with this assertion that fake role claims are bad. And I can both believe fake role claims are good and that people should build cases. There is room for both.

are you saying my opinion is wrong?

I am entitled to have an opinion; my opinion is that fake role claims and fake night targets/results derail the thread and confuse town efforts needlessly. I don't have to acknowledge benefits that could work with experienced and when everyone else is on board and everything aligns correctly, with like a 5-10% chance of succeeding. I just think there are better ways to generate conversation, as Quin said was most of the point people do it as well as hiding the real cop... There's literally 1001 other ways to do that.

And anyway, like I said, pointless to keep discussing it and wasting time on this. My opinion or your opinion isn't going to sway how someone is determined to play the game.