The Syndicate

finally, a game where I don't have to waste time and tunnel nutella.

hi friends, new and old, excited to be playing with you all!

DDL, if the laser gun operator dies at night, does it get randed to another player? I didn't find that in the rules.

Oh shit.

I am so hyped about this set up and can't wait for the chaos.

I love that someone called Cat Fart cocreated this game. Epic.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:02 pm Hi there, super excited to be playing here for the first time, good luck have fun!

Can't wait to see your super shiny townies self!

[mention]nutella[/mention] I think you know what needs to be done day 1.

It starts with an L and ends with a C.

And is two letters.

Finish him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:23 pm dunya is an alien.

nou!!!

I think you're town.
I think Carot is mafia.

Ok who else is gonna post?

Linki: I can confirm Epis strategy is to kiss laser gun operator ass. Now I'm disappointed I said I couldn't commit to 3am end of days

Linki2: I can confirm juliets is the best human being.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:19 pm Also, I'm a bunker and I'm always going to be defending nutella. Don't waste your defense on me.

That should say "Don't waste your defense on nutella."

On the multikill nights more people need to protect me though right?

I only vaguely understand the setup....

2 people. You'll be fine. I promise. Epi and dun got ur back gurl

Good night Epi

Funny how me and epi are going to bed at the same time but 6hrs apart.

We publicly make a list of who protects who. When someone dies we know who lied

Are you voting Epi cos he's super cool or cos your stance is to shoot him? Just wanna clarify.

I meant like, player 1: protects player 2
Player 2: protects player 3
And did forth. For the odd number of night where there's only 1 kill and 1 protect would save nutella it's not thaaaaat bad an idea. clearly, I will protect nutella cos I don't trust all the rest of y'all not to pull one on me

That said, Alison's mind feels townies to me tbh.

LC didnt convince me with his entrance tbh.

Good:
Epi
Alison

Bad:
Carot
LC

[mention]Soneji[/mention] maybe u can give us good strategies to win this game since this isn't your first

No bad advice pls if you're a cheeky alien ;p

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:35 am Oh yea i was also thinking of using RNG to determine our protections

like idk the numbers but lets say arbitrarily say 10% , each bunker goes to rand.org or however eas the site, rolls between 1 and 100, if its 1 to 10 they protect nutella, otherwise save their shot. Obv different on even nights and as more of us die but u get the idea. Like, just think of some numbers that will give us good odds, i think its okay to slightly potentially lose the game on the first night if it means bigger chance to win in the end

No one humored my day 1 idea. It guarantees us to catch scum on day 2 tho. What do u think?

So if we day 1 zap a scum and day 2 kill one, we're gonna be in pretty good shape.

I don't think your idea is a bad one btw. But I think forming a towncore and betting our odds on our agreed reads on who protects nutella rather than randomizing it increases our odds?

I dunno, this is a wacky game. Anything can happen.

I agree with u that aliens will be silly not to kill town odd number night but I dunno, they may risk one shot on even nights on nutella and sometimes two if it means they win the game.

Admittedly my strategy will be less effective on even number night so I have to think of an alternate plan there lol.

Anyway I townread u for your method of strategy. So I already have 4 town reads plus me and nutella making 6!

Some others have posted, I'll have to check what they said but I know LC is practically howling because if he scrolls up and sees what I've been advocating vs. what say Alison advocated, he's just more eloquently parroted "let's organize a plan".

Eloquent players are 9 outta 10 times bad. Gimme loose and crazy messy

Disclaimer: LC is the most cunning scum-master and I may be bringing bias into this but I'm also kinda serious tbh... there's something that feels awkward about his posts in a "I should say this so we take control of the plan and I'm bound to protect nutella one night so I can zap her" kinda way I guess.

Updated list

Good:
Epi
Tutuu
Nanook
Alison

Lukewarm water
Soneji
Dragomir

Bad:
Carot
LC

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:03 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:05 pm
(yes, I know it doesn't do anything, I just want to make it clear what my stance is from day to day)

Why do you feel the need to say this? Ppl already know that D0 votes work like this.

I was JUST thinking about that, and why I put Alison at the bottom of my good pile.

It felt like a slightly forced entry to show people she is already hunting. We don't know why she finds epi worthy of a vote or anything else. Didn't like that part tbh.

Admittedly and I'm not ashamed to admit I did not rememver that nutella doesn't have a save.

Ok alternative plan.

We give 2 members the choice to save between 3 people, also narrows things down.

Linki: damn you're right tutuu. They can outlive us.

Who's a simp and why you gotta go there

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:18 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:16 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:15 am All this strategy talk is hurting my brain. I'm merely glancing at these posts right now.

Then ignore mechanics, project town and find scum. We’ll take care of the mechanics.

Ignoring the mechanics sounds retarded. The majority of the posts here are on those mechanics. I'm robbing myself the opportunity to get reads by ignoring them.

Don't you play on NF? The mechanics in their bastard games hurts *my* brain! This is a walk in the park in comparison lmao

I think we should have at least 3 people saving nutella on any given day. The rest can be up to whatever people wanna do and leave it as a mystery for the aliens to misfire. Hunting through nk is hard at this stage if we want to preserve saves. So we can do regular hunting and I think we already have lots of good content to go through.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:25 am okay, I think we assign the four most scummy people on day 1 to use their protect on Nutella. I think that's the optimal day 1 strat. If anyone wants to use a bunker on another target, they should do so in secret.

Least scummy or most scummy? I think you mean most and I think I know what you mean by that strategy but pls confirm lol

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:27 am Drago doesnt like Spacemovies = bad

Dunya, Alison and Tutu are town GTH, nice energy.
Not excluding the possibility that a wolf is coordinating the mechtalk with others.

Tho nothing else pinged me for now. I am at work, will be properly active later on.

Hmmm

I'm making a note for later of stuffing Alison with 1 post between me and tutu and calling out nice energy. Something pingy about this entrance.

Also something I notice scum do is use phrases already used that was responded to positively. Tutuu already talked about "nice energy" and rej picked it up and uses it too.

Putting Rej in my scummy pile with LC and Carot.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:30 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:24 am I think we should have at least 3 people saving nutella on any given day. The rest can be up to whatever people wanna do and leave it as a mystery for the aliens to misfire. Hunting through nk is hard at this stage if we want to preserve saves. So we can do regular hunting and I think we already have lots of good content to go through.

How do we go about selecting those 3 ppl?

Tony thinks our scummiest 4 should protect her. We coordinate that itt. I understand why, but my scummiest 4 could be the whole maf team gg y'all ;p but yeah, for a day 1 strategy it makes most sense.

Tony goes into my Town pile.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:35 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:32 am Also something I notice scum do is use phrases already used that was responded to positively. Tutuu already talked about "nice energy" and rej picked it up and uses it too.

Putting Rej in my scummy pile with LC and Carot.

Carot has one post from what I recall. Why is he(or she?) bad?

It's a she. She made a post and it does not give me any indication of game solving. Plus, it seems overextended in trying to look nice and unscummy. Your entrance post was just as uninformative, but it was unbiased. I null read u for that, but count -1 ok carot till I see more.

And as tutuu points out, the aliens can just choose to kill someone protected until we run out of saves then we're totally fucked.

I like Tony's plan.

Linki: the probability of choosing 4 scum on day 0 is pretty miniscule but as Tony said, we can do 5 although I still think it's unnecessary.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:43 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:37 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:35 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:32 am Also something I notice scum do is use phrases already used that was responded to positively. Tutuu already talked about "nice energy" and rej picked it up and uses it too.

Putting Rej in my scummy pile with LC and Carot.

Carot has one post from what I recall. Why is he(or she?) bad?

It's a she. She made a post and it does not give me any indication of game solving. Plus, it seems overextended in trying to look nice and unscummy. Your entrance post was just as uninformative, but it was unbiased. I null read u for that, but count -1 ok carot till I see more.

Do you expect players to come right off the bat with game solving in their entry post?

No, but Carot was online until i went to bed. I expect some reactions and developments, especially as I prodded her. I didnt get that, so she can keep LC and Rej company in my list for now

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:42 am Game game, game game game.

Babyyy

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:49 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:43 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:37 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:35 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:32 am Also something I notice scum do is use phrases already used that was responded to positively. Tutuu already talked about "nice energy" and rej picked it up and uses it too.

Putting Rej in my scummy pile with LC and Carot.

Carot has one post from what I recall. Why is he(or she?) bad?

It's a she. She made a post and it does not give me any indication of game solving. Plus, it seems overextended in trying to look nice and unscummy. Your entrance post was just as uninformative, but it was unbiased. I null read u for that, but count -1 ok carot till I see more.

Do you expect players to come right off the bat with game solving in their entry post?

No, but Carot was online until i went to bed. I expect some reactions and developments, especially as I prodded her. I didnt get that, so she can keep LC and Rej company in my list for now

Hmm, alright. Dunya is good y'all. Lock that read.

this reads as very insincere to me. why did my response move you? in fact, i'm willing to move drago into my scum pile because of it and move carot higher.

first of all, the language of his first post "Carot has one post from what I recall. Why is he(or she?) bad?"

~ from what I recall: implies he wants us to think he isn't paying too much attention, yet he knows Carot has made literally one post.
~ he(or she)?: Carot has her preferred pronouns in her profile. indeed, we have discussed her several times so i feel like someone who knows Carot has one post, would have been able to know Carot is a she if he wanted to.

the second one is a little distancy, if i wanted to tinfoil. indeed, the entire question could be scum inquiry on behalf of his teammate. but i don't wanna tinfoil, i wanna say dragomir is bad and tried to pocket me after seeing i have a strong presence itt. that makes his inquiry a little left field for me. let's switch Carot and Drago's positions in my scumpile.

let's give dizzy a town read, because GAME GAME! and because i'm generous.

here's where i'm at:

town, from towniest to least towny:
nutella - Laser Gun Operator
tutuu
Epignosis
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
protocultures
Alison
Dyslexicon

undecided:
bimbo
Soneji
Carotenoid

alien:
Dragomir
Rej
Long Con

protocultures, i love his strong entry into the game. his thoughts seem organic and say them as they come. i dig that method. i am a fan. keep up the developments in your reads and we can be friends.

we also seem to agree about LC which i like.

also i apologize if anything we say is based off meta to the newbies. if that's the case, i'll try to add context to my post.

also anyone who didn't vote star wars is lying tbh.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:05 pm Vote Epignosis

(yes, I know it doesn't do anything, I just want to make it clear what my stance is from day to day)

Making a list of who protects who only gives more information to the mafia about who is unprotected. And mafia wins the game immediately if they kill nutella, so it is completely useless to know who failed to protect her the day after we lose the game. The strategy you are proposing would make it trivially easy for the mafia to win just by attacking the operator on the night where a mafia member is scheduled to protect her. And a public list of who protects who would make it easier for the mafia to know who they can safely kill since there isn't enough heals to protect everyone at once.

It is correct for town to keep when and who they are using their protect on secret so mafia doesn't know who is being protected, if the operator is shielded, and how many protects the town has left.

I lose when nutella dies. Protecting her is my only objective. The aliens know that as well as I. It's no big secret. I am only making it plain that I am a bunker and I am protecting her so that the other bunkers are free to protect other bunkers and provide us with more chances to "give em hell" as a starship trooper might say.

If you don't believe that I am a bunker, fine.

The mindset that you are attacking me with here is not that though. It isn't, "Epi is an alien and wants us to think he's protecting nutella when in reality he just wants to trick us so he can shoot her." The mindset you are attacking me with here is "This is a dumb plan."

Alison was referring to my plan, not your suggestion that nutella needs to be protected. but forget it, my plan doesn't work because i forgot that nutella can't protect anyone at night lol. and also because as tutuu pointed out, the aliens could just instead shoot someone protected and make us waste our protects and outlive us.

i prefer tony's second plan but it needs a little tweaking.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:41 am Well I need space fuel before I continue.

oh no. red alert, this is not a drill, [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] we have a coffee tell on our hands ;p

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:08 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:19 pm Also, I'm a bunker and I'm always going to be defending nutella. Don't waste your defense on me.

That should say "Don't waste your defense on nutella."

On the multikill nights more people need to protect me though right?

I only vaguely understand the setup....

and if Epi's an alien...

nutella kills me and loses a bunker.

thats not exactly how it works. nutella would be dead.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] does the person being protected know how many people protected them? o.O

we should run the mexican standoff game on here. also a game i played on NF which was a ton of wacky fun omg.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:58 am I have to poop, but I don't want to tell anybody that because I vaguely recall that being a tell too.

dont worry, the actual guy didn't have to poop. you're ok if it's a real poop. send evidence.

but yea, i'm sure drago is bad. i'll bet my cat on it.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:42 am Your response didn't move me, I've been town reading you for the majority of this phase so far, but I wanted to check one last time to see if I should lock it or not.

majority implies there were instances where dragomir didn't townread me. where are these instances? can anyone gleam those from looking at his iso?

why do you need to "lock" me as town? when has locking someone as town on day 0 ever been a goal of like, anyone? how did that "last check" confirm i am lock town for you at all? if i do say so myself, that's a flimsy ass reasoning i gave. i basically want to see more of carot. i want to be able to read her ideas. i can say there's not been any game solving or hunting by at least 3 or 4 other players. but you were satisfied with my response too easily because TMI.

there's no motive in your post that is believable to me, that shows actual progression on your handling or read of me. you approached me as town and you locked me as town. bad.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:42 am Your suspicion is making zero sense. I wasn't trying to appear as if I haven't been paying attention. Why would I even do that? I flat out haven't been paying much attention until recently. But noticing Carot has only one post is not something that requires much focus. She had the first post in the game iirc(or was it you and she made the next post?) and she has then made no other post. By noticing a post of hers early and none for the rest of the thread, it's pretty easy to conclude that she has one post.

so you have read the whole game, which means you can offer us a lot more than your iso suggests by way of suspects. and yet, i don't see any game solving, any hunting, any effort to actually set people apart. it's almost like...you already know who's bad and not. your iso is all fluff. as someone with 17 posts already and counting, i take issue with that.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:42 am Dunya, I'm not looking at ppl's profiles out here for no reason. Furthermore, I had stated that I had merely glanced at the majority of the posts in the thread so if you guys had called Carot a she, then I missed it.

that's fair, this is basically only going to become a point for me if carot continues being in my poe, at which point, i may connect you as teammates from the careful wording there. i'm anal like that.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:42 am This suspicion is pretty trivial. Quite frankly, I don't think the reasons you provided are valid.

oh, there is more. but i am at work not and that post of yours hit the nail in the coffin so to speak.

on that note, if drago is an alien, i feel even better about nanook and alison.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:36 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:57 am we should run the mexican standoff game on here. also a game i played on NF which was a ton of wacky fun omg.

I love this idea.

submit it to the queue pls. only u can run it cos i wanna play it

hey, i already pointed the coffee tell out!

but let's zap dragomir first. i promise he's bad.

also sorry, i've had a crazy busy day. i wish i could be spamming ya'll like i want to.

but first, an important clarification [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] - is it day 1 after day 0 or night 1?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:49 pm dunya (btw dunya is innocent child. if shes maf im quitting mafia forever)

i'm glad on this occasion i'm not maf because i super like u and want to play all the games with u tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:48 pm OMG coffee tell lock scum tbh

Didn't I even see a coffee tell in my champs game and then proceeded to NOT point it out and then the guy was scum or am I just fantasising?

you're not, it happened.

it would be HILARIOUS if epi just coffee-telled tho. i'm telling you, i would die.

epi x dragomir x rej x alison

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:22 pm Just remember that we need 4 nights in total to get rid of scum. So we need protections available for where we're at. We have to think ahead of time and consider how many aliens we have left.

huh? walk me through that.

Let's Zap Drago Outta Here

Why is Drago not a vote option o.O

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:29 pm maybe epi is town after all and this is just the way his personality works

How does my personality work?

Bold of you to assume it does.

Hahahaha that is such a dad joke yessss

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:40 pm Why is Drago not a vote option o.O

Why am I the only one with a vote?

I voted Dizzy. You're in good company now. I need to catch up

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:40 pm Why is Drago not a vote option o.O

He RWSTFOed and is now Mac

Oh i thought mac woulda replaced bimbo. Hmmm okay.

Zap Mac Right Outta Here

Dizzy feels weird this game. Like they're *trying* too hard to look non-alien like. Can't put my finger on it...

(But I get that's hard for Dizzy cos they are simply outta this worlddddd. ;p)