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- Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:12 pm
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- Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:36 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Point taken. Will attempt to catch up today.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:18 am INH made this post, his only post:
Yes it finally started!! Where are you? I could feel your frustration in reading your posts in Cerberus (and reading old posts usually gives me little emotional content). The only post you made during the last lynch was a reiteration of your sig case, then you did not vote. You have been following the sig case since the early game. I would expect you to be eager to present it to a wider audience.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:12 pm oh good, this game has finally started.
Took it long enough.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:01 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Alrighty, finally caught up.
Firstly, can someone tell me what the fuck "Bidoof" means?
Secondly, reading through the whole Speedchuck thing feels like randomly tuning into some later season of a heavily-serialized TV show, and trying to mentally fill in the gaps. Unfortunately, despite S~V~S being super duper earnest, I have to side with the dull, boring, rational, Occam's-Razor-y DH and DDL on this one. He's probably where my vote's going tomorrow.
Thirdly, Scotty. [mention]S~V~S[/mention], you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.
Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.
At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.
The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.
Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.
This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:
[VOTE: WILGY] aubergine
Firstly, can someone tell me what the fuck "Bidoof" means?
Secondly, reading through the whole Speedchuck thing feels like randomly tuning into some later season of a heavily-serialized TV show, and trying to mentally fill in the gaps. Unfortunately, despite S~V~S being super duper earnest, I have to side with the dull, boring, rational, Occam's-Razor-y DH and DDL on this one. He's probably where my vote's going tomorrow.
Thirdly, Scotty. [mention]S~V~S[/mention], you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.
Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.
At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.
The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.
Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.
This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:
Fourthy, Wilgy. I don't think Wilgy is bad. I think Daisy's meta case against him is hollow and kinda judgmental. I don't like Scotty and company latching onto him as an easy target due to his inactivity. The fact that vote after vote has been cast at him today makes me pretty sure we aren't gonna get anything out of his lynch. But, as S~V~S said, the dude's super-busy, and can't be replaced anytime soon. That's enough for me to sigh and add my twig to the Wilgy bonfire. Plus, I'd be super pissed if Boomslang got lynched today.Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.
[VOTE: WILGY] aubergine
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:01 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:07 pm "Wilgy isn't bad but I'm going to lynch him anyway"
Nah. That doesn't fly.
[VOTE: INH] aubergine
Well, fuck all y'all.
Care to make points against me, or is knee-jerk bullshit how things worked over at Pikachu?
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:06 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
If you aren't willing to use logic to build your cases, I'm not going to take them seriously, even if it literally kills me.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:05 pmAnd INH is getting us to lynch INH.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:04 pmDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:03 pmit got us to lynch LC.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:01 pmcolonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:07 pm "Wilgy isn't bad but I'm going to lynch him anyway"
Nah. That doesn't fly.
[VOTE: INH] aubergineWell, fuck all y'all.
Care to make points against me, or is knee-jerk bullshit how things worked over at Pikachu?
SKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
LC got us to lynch LC.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:08 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]
Care to answer S~V~S's question?
Care to answer S~V~S's question?
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:09 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Why is Cbob's nonsensical analysis valid? Why is my Wilgy vote bad?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:08 pmDidn't you hear? I'm evil now. I don't have to justify my actions.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:01 pmcolonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:07 pm "Wilgy isn't bad but I'm going to lynch him anyway"
Nah. That doesn't fly.
[VOTE: INH] aubergineWell, fuck all y'all.
Care to make points against me, or is knee-jerk bullshit how things worked over at Pikachu?
No, but seriously. I agreed with Cbob's knee-jerk analysis, and since everyone was voting Wilgy, I figured I'd throw a vote on you to give people something to talk about. I doubt you'll get lynched today, but talking about you is more productive than lynching Wilgy for no reason or complaining about how speed can't be lynched.
Use your words, people.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:19 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Do you disagree with my reasons? I'm sorry, it was an 11-3 split, a couple hours until EOD, and the person with three votes was someone I think is an active town. Speedchuck isn't lynchable, and I don't have time to shout Sig or Scotty's name from the rafters, and given the "strategy" I've seen on display, I doubt anyone would have gave a damn anyway.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:11 pm My question was your answer, SVS.
We are not voting INH for the reasons he gave to lynch Wilgy.
We are voting him for the reasons he gave NOT to lynch Wilgy.
Oh good, "easy tells" that ignore context and nuance in favor of laziness.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:12 pm They call it CYA or something. Voting for someone while simultaneously predicting that they are town. It's regarded as 'playing it safe'. I think that's what you're being accused of.
Still, this is from the 'Practical Guide to Scumhunting' and may not be applicable in this case. I don't really believe in uniform mafia tells. But I am interested in seeing how people react under pressure.
For the record, when people submit bullshit cases against me for reasons of "pressure," I get angry, regardless of alignment. It makes me not want to bother with playing traditional mafia games.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:19 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
:: insert a wall of eye roll gifs here ::colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:19 pm Nonsensical analysis? It's textbook distancing. "I don't really believe this person is bad but I have no choice but to lynch them." Wrong, there's always a choice. Vote for people you think are mafia.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:22 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Well, you're wrong, and I think the methods you employed to come to your conclusion are flawed. I'm not saying that you, Cbob, are a bad mafia player. Just that you, cbob, made a bad play.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:20 pm Insulting my mafia play is not a good way to get me to change my mind, fwiw.
And if me disagreeing with you doesn't make you change your mind, well, maybe I'm more interested in honesty than flattery.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:25 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Uh huh.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:21 pm Whether I agree with your reasons or not is irrelevant.
The problem is that you began a vote post with "I don't think he is bad"
The devil is in the details.
Well, if you aren't willing to talk about the reasons behind my vote, then your case is irrelevant.
Nothing I have seen from Wilgy makes me think he is bad. But, he's still, IMO, the best lynch candidate for today.
I don't think those two statements are contradictory.
- Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:35 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
oh fuckGolden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:31 pmMUTINY FOR THREE
There is now the opportunity for three players to mutiny. What will happen if there is a mutiny, you ask? Well, I tell you...
Here are the rules of the mutiny for three.
1) If you wish to mutiny, PM both hosts saying so. PMs must be in during this night phase.
2) If the hosts receive exactly three PMs from players who wish to mutiny, a mutiny will occur.
3) You may not discuss this mutiny during this night phase. At all. This includes planning whether you are sending a PM with each other, talking about whether you did or did not send a PM, or endeavouring to make any hints that don't appear to be about the mutiny but actually are. It is entirely off limits to discuss. If you have any questions, PM them.
4) At the end of the night phase, you will be informed by the hosts of the outcome of the mutiny for three. Only after that post may you discuss the mutiny.
- Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:56 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
David Lynch is a lot of things. Vanilla ain't one of them.
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:42 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:59 pmDistancing from wilgy?colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:44 pmDistancing. I don't think you misunderstand, I just think calling it a slip is wrong. To me, a slip is what LC did. I'm kinda arguing semantics but to me there's a big difference between "behavior that indicates one may be mafia" and "slip".
@insertnamehere care to respond to this?
DDL responded to this with:insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:19 pmDo you disagree with my reasons? I'm sorry, it was an 11-3 split, a couple hours until EOD, and the person with three votes was someone I think is an active town. Speedchuck isn't lynchable, and I don't have time to shout Sig or Scotty's name from the rafters, and given the "strategy" I've seen on display, I doubt anyone would have gave a damn anyway.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:11 pm My question was your answer, SVS.
We are not voting INH for the reasons he gave to lynch Wilgy.
We are voting him for the reasons he gave NOT to lynch Wilgy.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:27 pm It's not like I need you to agree with the case anyway.
I gave my reasons for what I did, and I don't think it's "distancing." Apparently, some people disagree. Bully for them.
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:51 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
I figure I might as well voice some input on the two recently revealed parts of this game which relate back to Blue Velvet Mafia, a game I hosted, and provide some context.
"Mutiny For 3" allowed three people to form a new independent team which must eliminate everyone else to win. DH and company basically used it to break the game, so I guess Golden and juliets nerfed it, making it so if more or less than three people tried to do it, it failed to occur. That seems to be what happened.
David Lynch isn't actually a role in Blue Velvet Mafia, but he did direct the film that the game was based on. He's known for being one of the most goddamn bizarre directors around, and is an all-around affable weirdo. He's probably my favorite director.
S~V~S and others have talked about certain mechanics which they feel Golden and Juliets "must" have included in the game to make things "fair." I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, but I will say that I'll be a little bit disappointed in them if they took David Lynch and made him a vanilla role. That's just ignoring a possible avenue of creativity, right there.
So, I think there's more than meets the eye with DH. This isn't necessarily something nefarious, but either his role appears vanilla, or he got turned vanilla by someone else. I realize that due to the info-dumping and role-claiming rules, DH can't really clear any of this up, but it's definitely something I'm keeping my eye on, and it influences my read of him.
"Mutiny For 3" allowed three people to form a new independent team which must eliminate everyone else to win. DH and company basically used it to break the game, so I guess Golden and juliets nerfed it, making it so if more or less than three people tried to do it, it failed to occur. That seems to be what happened.
David Lynch isn't actually a role in Blue Velvet Mafia, but he did direct the film that the game was based on. He's known for being one of the most goddamn bizarre directors around, and is an all-around affable weirdo. He's probably my favorite director.
S~V~S and others have talked about certain mechanics which they feel Golden and Juliets "must" have included in the game to make things "fair." I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, but I will say that I'll be a little bit disappointed in them if they took David Lynch and made him a vanilla role. That's just ignoring a possible avenue of creativity, right there.
So, I think there's more than meets the eye with DH. This isn't necessarily something nefarious, but either his role appears vanilla, or he got turned vanilla by someone else. I realize that due to the info-dumping and role-claiming rules, DH can't really clear any of this up, but it's definitely something I'm keeping my eye on, and it influences my read of him.
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:55 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
no hay banda?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:54 pmI dunno.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:51 pm I figure I might as well voice some input on the two recently revealed parts of this game which relate back to Blue Velvet Mafia, a game I hosted, and provide some context.
"Mutiny For 3" allowed three people to form a new independent team which must eliminate everyone else to win. DH and company basically used it to break the game, so I guess Golden and juliets nerfed it, making it so if more or less than three people tried to do it, it failed to occur. That seems to be what happened.
David Lynch isn't actually a role in Blue Velvet Mafia, but he did direct the film that the game was based on. He's known for being one of the most goddamn bizarre directors around, and is an all-around affable weirdo. He's probably my favorite director.
S~V~S and others have talked about certain mechanics which they feel Golden and Juliets "must" have included in the game to make things "fair." I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, but I will say that I'll be a little bit disappointed in them if they took David Lynch and made him a vanilla role. That's just ignoring a possible avenue of creativity, right there.
So, I think there's more than meets the eye with DH. This isn't necessarily something nefarious, but either his role appears vanilla, or he got turned vanilla by someone else. I realize that due to the info-dumping and role-claiming rules, DH can't really clear any of this up, but it's definitely something I'm keeping my eye on, and it influences my read of him.
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:57 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
Voting for Speedchuck, as I feel like it will provide the most information out of all the options. Plus, if we don't get rid of him, people will just keep speculating about him endlessly. I want some resolution, dammit.
[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine
[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:03 pm
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- Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:41 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
:: scrawls in notepad ::
Any particular reason, or are you just feeling lucky?
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:48 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
[VOTE: DHARMAHELPER]DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:45 pm2+2 is 4 minus 1 that's 3 quick maffs.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:41 pm:: scrawls in notepad ::
Any particular reason, or are you just feeling lucky?
Get it? Mafs.
- Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:42 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
i love it when people declare a person to be the "easy vote," and then vote for another person, therefore disproving their own point.
- Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 10
Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.
That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.
It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.
SYNDICATE CRIME STORY
THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY
1. "META"
Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, [mention]Vompatti[/mention]. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.
Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.
Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.
That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.
Bleh.
2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"
As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.
It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.
3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"
Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.
FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.
FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.
This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.
4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"
This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.
All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.
My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?
Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.
This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?
That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.
It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.
SYNDICATE CRIME STORY
THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY
1. "META"
Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, [mention]Vompatti[/mention]. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.
Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.
Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.
That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.
Bleh.
2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"
As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.
It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.
3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"
Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.
FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.
FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.
This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.
4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"
This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.
All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.
My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?
Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.
- Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:14 am
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- Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:01 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 11
I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"
- Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:10 pm
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- Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:30 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 11
Both of you responded to my Wilgy case with "why not Wilgy," which was basically why I voted for him Day 9 despite my misgivings. For you to criticize me, then turn around, and spout the same viewpoint a couple days later, feels a tad hypocritical.colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:23 pmThe handful of people that voted for you were me, speed, and I think DDL. Speed is gone, and I thought your case was pretty solid.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:01 pmI didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"
- Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:46 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 11
Off the top of my head, Sig or Scotty. I've been nursing a case against Sig since like Day 5, and I still think my reasons for suspecting him are valid.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:10 pmI don't mean that you purposefully withheld your defense.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:01 pmI didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"
Who should die instead of Wilgy?
YE OLDE SIG CASE
Since the merge happened, he's:THE CASE AGAINST SIG
this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones
To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.insertnamehere wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:51 pm
Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.
I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.
I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.
Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.
Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.
By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”
He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.
-proceeded to vacillate wildly about Sloonei
-voted for Boomslang Day 9 sans justification
-was a loyal passenger on the Speedchuck wagon, attacking the Wilgy case, calling it a "scapegoat counterwagon." Interrogates Wilgy voters and tries to get them to swich to Speed.
-immediately after the Speedchuck lynch, suggests a Wilgy lynch the next day, tells people to look at people who "flipflopped" or "gave very weak reasoning" for their Speed votes, presumably without irony.
-posted this bland wall of reads
Spoiler: show
Nothing he's said has been inspiring, he's had no real consistent stances or opinions, he seems to go with whatever the popular thread direction is, and is bringing nothing to the table, while trying to look like a "contributor."
Now, for Scotty. Here's the thing about Scotty. Dude posts a shitton of stuff. To me, him posting a shitton of stuff ain't alignment indicative. It's his playstyle, and he'd try to imitate it best he could if he was bad.
In my opinion, he's been relentlessly pushing weak lynch candidates, who are mainly infrequent posters, then backing off whenever he detects any possible resistance. Here's the example of this that sticks in my proverbial craw, due to the context of the Pikachu Tribe at the time, and the likely possibility that scum team BTSC communicated info about each tribe, and they all knew about the lynch-trading mechanic.
Scotty's the one who moved thread-targets lightning fast, and desperately tried to drum up votes in order to fulfill the, imo, not particularly necessary, objective of lynching someone at the exact same time that Pikachu was about to sell LC down the river.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:01 pm Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.
Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.
At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.
The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.
Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.
This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:
Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.
The timing stinks worse than 8-month old tuna.
Other things fill me with skepticism towards him. His beating of the Boomslang drum, and his utter bafflement when I said I listed him as a town read. Followed by his 180 where he now leans civ on Boomslang despite trying to lynch the poor guy for most of the game. Bleh.
That's off the top of my head. I may try and dive into the mountain of Scotty posts to try and dig for some more stuff later. Unfortunately, I need sleep.
- Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:52 pm
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- Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:55 pm
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- Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:59 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 11
quickly popping in to throw out a useless vote
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
- Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:51 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
goddamn it, why do motherfuckers always try to mislynch me on my birthday
S~V~S and I have been on the same page until she posted a case against me, and then two people who I've negatively talked about + Sprityo jumped on board a wagon with her. So, . Not sure I can trust the person who's about to get me killed for realz. Other than her...[mention]Quin[/mention] probably. Dude was right about Speed, and I've been mainly getting good vibes from him. Would like to see more about his DDL case.
Also, thanks Niju for killing me the first time, ya jerk.
Will now answer S~V~S' and Scotty's posts about me.
Sig is my biggest scumread, and has been forever.
S~V~S and I have been on the same page until she posted a case against me, and then two people who I've negatively talked about + Sprityo jumped on board a wagon with her. So, . Not sure I can trust the person who's about to get me killed for realz. Other than her...[mention]Quin[/mention] probably. Dude was right about Speed, and I've been mainly getting good vibes from him. Would like to see more about his DDL case.
Also, thanks Niju for killing me the first time, ya jerk.
Will now answer S~V~S' and Scotty's posts about me.
- Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:08 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
damn it S~V~S, I was nodding my head at 90% of your posts before this.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:12 am I just started rereading Cerberus from this perspective; why these targets?
I am gonna drop the eggplant on INH for now. He defended Wilgy quite a bit in early days, and again in later days. J O'H, who was the civviest civ to civ was on his back, and subsequently died via Strex. And if there is one person that I think INH would expect to see through his baddie self, it would be DH. And DH was killed with extreme prejudice starting Night 9 (the merge was Day 9), then Night 11, INHs' first two nights in the room with DH. He asked about Negan sightings when we first got to Pikachu, first thing. He never mentioned it here, not even to razz DH about it, although that seemed to be his primary interest when the Pikachus got to Cerberus.
I did not finsih rereading him at Cerberus, and I did not read him in ISO after the Merge, so my Aubergine could change, but right now I feel he is the person who is most likely to have wanted DH dead who did not interact with him before the merge.
Tossing the Aubergine, *VOTE INH*
Wilgy bamboozled me. I was worried about the thread going after easy targets, and, to borrow a phrase from Sloonei, barrelling down the path of least resistance, and saw him mainly as a scapegoat-patsy. I didn't like Daisy's case against him, and to be honest, I still don't. I defended the wrong person for, in my opinion, the right reasons. Also, TBH, my massive wall-post about him on Day 11, in which I fully admitted that I expected Wilgy to be lynched, and that there was nothing I could do to stop it, was more to caution people to put more thought into their votes, and encourage more critical discussion.
I honestly don't think I've played non-LMS mafia with DH for literal years. After I took an extended sabbatical from the site, and came back in 2016, we haven't played many games together. We were both in Survivor Mafia, which was an LMS game, and he was in a couple games I hosted, but that's it. I strongly disagree with your assertion that I'd think he'd be able to "see through [my] baddie self," and I'm frankly confused why you immediately looked my direction when he was killed. We sim together, and he plays my games, but we don't play together.
The Negan thing was an icebreaker, mainly. Also, it was a bit of a poke at you for being so uncomfortable with his Negan RP in Survivor. Apologies for not making it into a running gag.
- Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:27 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
I didn't find Wilgy suspicious, and I stand by my reasons for not finding him suspicious. You painting my attempts to not go along with you and Sloonei's attempts to pressure me into voting for either Wilgy or Boomslang in order to fulfill the idiotic imperative of lynching someone, as weaksauce is eyeroll-worthy. You also bafflingly say that my vote for Sloonei was a NO U, when the Sloonei vote was more of a joke than anything else, which is something I thought was patently obvious. I was pretty annoyed at his pressuring me, and did it to vent frustration, even though I never thought he was bad or expected anyone else to follow me. Ironically, this was right around when all the heat on LC was starting to rise over at Pikachu. Personally, I think the rush to lynch someone on Cerberus had to be, on a certain level, pushed to prevent Pikachu from lynching more baddies, and I still suspect you more than a little for it, as I've stated multiple times.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:33 pm Let's look at INH's interactions with Wilgy:
Firstly, I would like to direct everyone to the case I made about INH on Day 4- I totally forgot about it and found it odd at the time in relation to Wilgy lol
Now I'll fill in some gaps.
-This is his first mention of Wilgy, and it's Day 3. He 'probably won't vote for him'Spoiler: show
I can't keep the original colors on this list in quoting from old Bidoof, but Wilgy is a solid yellow in this, while Marmot is a solid green.Spoiler: show
Blatant defense of Wilgy and attempt to discredit.Spoiler: show
Wilgy is basically his best friend at this point. Tying Boom into a reason not to support the main trains is another negative here because it takes off the pressure of flat out avoiding only Wilgy.Spoiler: show
Just weaksauce reasoning to avoid 2 people, AND basically uses it as a NO U even though Sloonei isn't accusing INH directly.Spoiler: show
Someone left the water boiling on the stove and INH is feebly attempting to turn down the heat. But it's just too little too late. Another plea to not let Wilgy die. And yet he votes for Wilgy anyway, out of resignation to the fact.Spoiler: show
Also to note, cbob and speed immediately vote for INH because of this post.
It's resignation. It's like ogling a girl at the beach in front of your girlfriend and when she catches you, explain that she walked into your line of sight and what else were you supposed to do??Spoiler: show
So the last lynch when he decried Wilgy's fate was the 1st lynch. Now he comes in with this gigantic summation and last ditch effort to keep Wilgy alive. This could be, in INH's mind, a civ performance when Wilgy is inevitably lynched, and would look like the work of a hard-working misguided civ that was just wrong.Spoiler: show
I don't like it, sam I am. I'm willing to lynch INH today.
vote INH aubergine
I thought I kinda explained my Day 9 vote, but I guess I'll do it again. It was a few hours before EOD, I didn't have much time to post, and I fell prey to the "why not Wilgy, the dude's inactive and inscrutable" mentality. I later realized how utterly wack that is, and wrote the wall-post to dissect how people seemed to be voting due to this "why not," mindset, and how it could potentially lead to civilian apathy and disorganization. I still think my point is valid.
This post is a big bowl of poisoned WIFOM, in which you ignore context to make me look bad, and to make yourself look good.
Bleh.
- Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:27 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
Would you be willing to start a sig wagon?Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:11 pmArgh, misread the polls; I'd thought both colonialbob and sig were on the "first voted Speedchuck and then Wilgy" train. Cbob did do a Speedchuck to worthless DH vote, however. Not sure if the context of the DH kill adds any more information about that vote, given that we still have two mafia teams still out.
I'd say sig is the stronger candidate. His "sticking to his guns" comment gaslights people who are questioning him over Sloonei suspicion; it strikes me as someone who's caught in a slip doubling down. Also, "Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike" is pouring a nice tall glass of WIFOM.
- Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:46 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
And now for your weekly scheduled "WHAT HAS SIG BEEN UP TO RECENTLY?" update.
On Day 11, after posting a big, bland wall of reads, in which he didn't mention me at all, and called Sloonei "meh," he followed my vote for him with a seemingly random vote for me.
Night 11, he posts stating that he wants to lynch Boomslang the next day, and that he could see a "boomslang, bloober, and Wilgy" team. This is never followed up upon.
He states that the people who didn't vote for Wilgy on Day 11 aren't on his team, a statement which I don't totally disagree with. I could see them falling prey to the same "why not Wilgy, dude's inactive anyway" mindset as the civilians.
He becomes confused over whether or not Strex killed me, due the weird nature of my daytime death. (Sorry for accusing you Niju, but you can't really blame me for looking in your direction.)
Then, this new wall of reads:
Sig's suspicion of Sloonei makes no damn sense, is filled with WIFOM, and bizarre "kill those with 2 lives" ideas that seem hella anti-civ to me.
Lynch this clown.
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
On Day 11, after posting a big, bland wall of reads, in which he didn't mention me at all, and called Sloonei "meh," he followed my vote for him with a seemingly random vote for me.
Instead of following up on any of his reads, or doing anything productive, he does what he himself refers to as an "OMGUS."sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:09 pmI'll omgus on this.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:59 pm quickly popping in to throw out a useless vote
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine
Night 11, he posts stating that he wants to lynch Boomslang the next day, and that he could see a "boomslang, bloober, and Wilgy" team. This is never followed up upon.
He states that the people who didn't vote for Wilgy on Day 11 aren't on his team, a statement which I don't totally disagree with. I could see them falling prey to the same "why not Wilgy, dude's inactive anyway" mindset as the civilians.
He becomes confused over whether or not Strex killed me, due the weird nature of my daytime death. (Sorry for accusing you Niju, but you can't really blame me for looking in your direction.)
Then, this new wall of reads:
His Sloonei read has progressed from inconsistent to incoherent. So, he's gotta die to "even the playing field?" He promises more later on, and then we get this:sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:38 pm And those who say that I've been playing differently since my second role, that's true I've tried to be more active and engaging less zany since I'm now on my last life and I'd rather not die yet.
A few quick reads/salad
SVS - She seems good right now, contributing a fair amount and I'm not getting baddie gut vibes from her.
Epi - Same as SVS he seems genuine and is contributing
INH - His push on me seems genuine so at the very least he wouldn't be on one mafia team and I don't believe he's Wilgy teammate. So he could be Even, but doubt it.
Lorab - Been back and forth on her, but I'm back to thinking she's a civ/indy
Sloonie - He still has two lives correct? And hasn't been killed yet, I wouldn't mind lynching him to even the playing field at some point. Also i'm not convinced that he's a civ. More on this later.
That's all i've got time for right now, if anyone has specific questions feel free to mention me.
Hoo boy. I'm one of those people who never quite grasped the shifting definition of the term "WIFOM," mainly due to me not watching The Princess Bride for whatever reason, but this whole declaration of war against Sloonei without any actual, y'know, reasoning, surrounded by "it makes no sense for me as mafia to say this" literally made my eyebrow twitch when I read it, and I'm pretty sure it qualifies as WIFOM nonsense.sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:08 pm I'm sticking to my guns here, right now it might not matter but by end if game time if he has two lives it could fuck up the civs. Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike.
My suspicion of sloonie even if its flipflopped should and is clear I've thought hs could be mafia since the beginning.
Its also laughable to pursue me for this and say it makes me look bad. Sloonie is in no way a low hanging fruit and I'm in no way a town leader who ppl will blindly follow. It makes no sense for me as mafia to say this. In fact its like North korea saying they'll beat the U.S. in a war. Nobody believes it'll happen but it still makes the news.
Sig's suspicion of Sloonei makes no damn sense, is filled with WIFOM, and bizarre "kill those with 2 lives" ideas that seem hella anti-civ to me.
Lynch this clown.
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
- Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:27 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
First off, you just completely ignored my response to your case, where I said that you painted specific instances in a way that ignored context while glorifying yourself and attacking me. If you want to say that you were solely motivated by going into my ISO, searching for Wilgy, and deciding that a town read of him must mean that I'm bad, sure, fine. But, you still haven't said how my town read of Wilgy is disingenuous.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:45 am“Out of nowhere”
Wilgy’s interactions should be scrutinized, and since a few people have already made reservations against INH, I used the ole “search” function in INH’s post history for Wilgy and there you go. I don’t like it.
I did a similar breakdown of Boom, but found far less defending and far more offending. I dunno, I feel like INH looks worse for wear when it comes to Wilgy.
“Dropped the interactions scumhunting angle completely”
Wha huh? I don’t know what you’re talking about, bub
Ok wait so you’re adamantly defending the dude that only comes out of his hidey hole when he’s taking heat? All because you haven’t gotten spayed and neutered?
Look, this sig case he just popped out is only happening because he’s leading the lynch and needs a scapegoat.
INH has been genuinely peeved to be taking heat this entire game, but looking at his history of the past 12 days, how is it that he’s saintly?
Naw dog.
I'm sorry, but looking around immediately after the death of a baddie, and pointing the finger at whoever said the nicest things about him is way more a case of easy scapegoating than me pushing sig for a lynch. S~V~S had specific factors connected to a perceived meta connection between me and DH. Those factors were wrong, but I could see the logic. You just keep repeating that I defended Wilgy. That's true. But, in my opinion, that doesn't mean diddly squat unless you can explain why my defenses of Wilgy came from a non-civilian mindset, which is something you seem to be uncomfortable doing.
Onto the Sig thing. This is the most annoying part of this post, for me. Dude, I didn't just pop out a case against Sig because I need a scapegoat. I've been going after the guy since Day 5. You know that because you agreed with my case against him on Day 5, and actually voted alongside me against him. Since then, he's been more or less a consistent scumread. I've posted multiple updates of my case against him, and I voted for him yesterday. Now, you're saying that this entire thing, my entire suspicion of Sig since Day 5 has been a ruse to save my bacon on Day 12? C'mon son. That there is willful ignorance.
I'm gonna ignore the parts where you cast blame against me because my activity is irregular, and because I get annoyed when people write dumb cases against me.
My response to your case was, in no small part, motivated to see how you would respond. This is probably the worst possible response.
- Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:46 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
I think I do try and separate "out-of-game" friendships from the game to a certain degree. I mean, me and Daisy are pretty close, but we've had a pretty fraught relationship here.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:16 am Thank you! Like Daisy, one thing I was iffy about was your rather strong defense of Wilgy. I doubt that Golden would put a Seemer style role on both teams ([aside]LCs role was why I was suspicious of both DH and Chuck, even though they fairly aggressively either defended LC (Chuck), tried to deflect to Dom (both) or tried to discredit me (DH) for pounding down "Do you think the hosts told LC that blah blah" everytime someone started to waver on voting for LC. Although in the last case, DH sounded pretty genuine to me, he really did think I was potentially railroading LC, so that was why I eventually turned to Chuck, rather than him [/aside]). So I think a super strong defense of a bad teammate who wants to be replaced, especially with Marmot bussing him right out the door, that does give me pause. Before DH was killed x2 and I started reading the beginning of the merged thread (whenever I tried to go in there it was all Lords of the Flies in there, with "kill the baddies" pitchfork waving manliness dripping off of every surface, lol, I had to get out of there for a while, so I just came back to vote and avoided reading much of anything) my thought was that you and he were avoiding EACH OTHER. But no way of really knowing that. My opinion on DH is fairly unreliable, he scares me, and he makes me nervous, and he and I seem to be super good at pushing each others buttons, a rather dubious superpower.
As for the Negan thing, I appreciate the sensitivity. DH said something similar. But it was menacing in Survivor for a different reason. It possibly would have been funny here, but I do appreciate the consideration from you both. It wasn't specifically that, it was that after your frustration, after being in two different thread with two very different personalities, I would have expected you and DH to interact more, to toss ideas off each other and that did not happen. Even if you don't play alot of games together I view you as friends. But that is subjective. And that also might be too obvious. But there most def was less interaction than I expected.
INH, Other than sig (and you could be right there) what are your thoughts on everyone else? I am going to pull my vote off of you for now, and move it to Scotty. Partially for your defenses, but also becasue of Quins opinions.
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I still think the third strex is one of the people from Cerberus who stayed behind at the first button. DH could have easily been killed one or even two times had the killer been in his thread prior. But he wasn't until after the merge, and it was immediately after the merge. I think one of these people killed DH:
Boom
INH
LoRab
Niju
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
Boom, I felt better about him before the merge, INH ^^. LoRab, you're busy, you were traveling, it is Passover, but you are creeping the hell out of me. Niju is a civ, I believe the reveal. Scotty I will address in a separate post. I waffle on sig, I see the points on him, but I also see the signess that gets him mislynched, and I am not getting the sly feel I get from bad sig, but I never did read him that well and have joined too many incorrect sig wagons, so i am leery, maybe more so that I should be, of sigwagons. Did DH interact much with sig? If they did I missed it. Sloonei I have mixed feels on, his super civ demeanor is always impressive, but the things he is saying are making me tense. Daisys support is making me trust him a bit more, but only a bit. I feel pretty good about Daisy, from her first post when I read back in Cerberus, she felt civ to me.
I personally would, in addition to Niju, cross LoRab off this list (I don't see her feeling threatened enough to kill anyone twice in a row), and Daisy as well, as my patented "Sloonei Most Town Read" in this group. I might also strike Scotty becasue I think if he's bad, he's more likely to be Even.
I would like to get the person who killed DH becasue they killed him dead with extreme prejudice, but I would be happy with an Even, too.
I have to get ready for work, but I promise I will write a better post re my vote change later, Scotty
You, Quin, and Boomslang are probably my closest thing to townreads. I've gotten good vibes from all three of you. Epi's being the grumpy, motivated sort that I'd expect when he's civilian, although the dude's hella crafty. Sloonei and Dom are people I'd probably view as civilian in a GTH scenario, although Merged Tribe Sloonei feels like a different person than Cerberus Sloonei. DDL is a person I've mainly disagreed with, but I can follow his thought process in a way that makes him feel hesitantly civ. Niju is towncleared, of course. Lorab and Sprityo are null reads. This is kinda weird in Lorab's case, as we've been in the same thread since the start. Daisy gets the "it's complicated" read. Multiple things she's said make me quite nervous, and I still think her Wilgy reasoning is wack, but realistically, she can only be on the Evens, and I'm not ready to commit to that just yet. Kyle is also pretty null, and someone I plan on ISO'ing at some point. Scotty is, at this point, a full-on scum read.
I'm willing to go along with Sloonei's plan to try and isolate the Even from the five Pikachu 2.0 members, by lynching Scotty today, and getting that damn sig some other time. Guy's been hella shady, and reacts to posts by identifying what fits into his narrative, and discarding everything else.
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
- Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:49 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
What's your read on Scotty, who, if I remember correctly, suspected you for weaksauce reasons since early on in Cerberus, before doing a 180 in the last couple of days?Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:21 amWell, it looks like you started it for me. Votes sig aubergine.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:27 pmWould you be willing to start a sig wagon?Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:11 pmArgh, misread the polls; I'd thought both colonialbob and sig were on the "first voted Speedchuck and then Wilgy" train. Cbob did do a Speedchuck to worthless DH vote, however. Not sure if the context of the DH kill adds any more information about that vote, given that we still have two mafia teams still out.
I'd say sig is the stronger candidate. His "sticking to his guns" comment gaslights people who are questioning him over Sloonei suspicion; it strikes me as someone who's caught in a slip doubling down. Also, "Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike" is pouring a nice tall glass of WIFOM.
- Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:51 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
Damn, I knew I forgot someone in my S~V~S read list. Colonialbob is in that weird position where the dude makes me uncomfortable, but I'm not sure whether that's because he's scum, or because we seem to approach this game in completely different ways.
- Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:57 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 12
What's your read on Scotty?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:53 am Colinialbob is that dude I can never read. But his first role looked like shit an so didd his play with that role.
Sig is that guy I usually suspect tho.
- Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:55 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 13
I've managed to be both traveling and sick for the past couple days, so I'm gonna start breaking some stuff down.
In light of his flip, it's certainly very easy to use it to paint me negatively. But that would require ignoring context.
I get the feeling that I need to re-post my "defense" of Wilgy again for people to actually understand what I was saying with it. Instead, people just seem to have read the first word of each paragraph. I was worried that the thread was forgoing actual scumhunting in favor of easy, often-absentee targets. I viewed the Wilgy train as an example of this. I fully admitted that there was a 95% chance that Wilgy was going to be lynched that day, and I didn't even really offer an alternative. I discussed multiple flaws in people's reasoning for voting him, but I also stated that those flaws were mostly trumped by the fact that he simply wasn't showing up. It was as much of a plea for people to present more detailed, sturdy cases as it was a half-hearted "defense" of Wilgy.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:28 pm insertnamehere - He adamantly tried to save DrWilgy even though there was no good reason for a civilian to do that. No civilian should want to go into an endgame scenario with an absent DrWilgy and lose because he was lynched then rather than earlier when it made the most sense, and it is unlikely either mafia was going to do the civilians the favor of removing him. His voting record is, from what I can observe, abysmal. None of INH's posts with regard to Marmot or Wilgy (or vice-versa) strike me as particularly compatible or incompatible.
In light of his flip, it's certainly very easy to use it to paint me negatively. But that would require ignoring context.
- Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:30 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 13
Because I make good points and have tried to continually scumhunt despite shitty scheduling? Also, at the risk of disappearing into a giant glass of WIFOM, I don't understand why a baddie version of me would willingly subject myself to all of the Wilgy heat.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:19 pmYour name is red because I have no reason to believe you are not on that team. Do you think there's a reason I should eliminate you from that list?insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:55 pm I've managed to be both traveling and sick for the past couple days, so I'm gonna start breaking some stuff down.
I get the feeling that I need to re-post my "defense" of Wilgy again for people to actually understand what I was saying with it. Instead, people just seem to have read the first word of each paragraph. I was worried that the thread was forgoing actual scumhunting in favor of easy, often-absentee targets. I viewed the Wilgy train as an example of this. I fully admitted that there was a 95% chance that Wilgy was going to be lynched that day, and I didn't even really offer an alternative. I discussed multiple flaws in people's reasoning for voting him, but I also stated that those flaws were mostly trumped by the fact that he simply wasn't showing up. It was as much of a plea for people to present more detailed, sturdy cases as it was a half-hearted "defense" of Wilgy.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:28 pm insertnamehere - He adamantly tried to save DrWilgy even though there was no good reason for a civilian to do that. No civilian should want to go into an endgame scenario with an absent DrWilgy and lose because he was lynched then rather than earlier when it made the most sense, and it is unlikely either mafia was going to do the civilians the favor of removing him. His voting record is, from what I can observe, abysmal. None of INH's posts with regard to Marmot or Wilgy (or vice-versa) strike me as particularly compatible or incompatible.
In light of his flip, it's certainly very easy to use it to paint me negatively. But that would require ignoring context.
- Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:15 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 13
I'd like to try and eliminate one of the possible Evens from Pikachu 2.0 today.
Kyle is someone I don't have particularly strong feelings one way or the other. I was convinced his behavior in LOTR was scummy, but I was proven hella wrong. I haven't really figured out how to read him. He feels like the "easiest" lynch out of the group.
Daisy, I vacillate on. I'd like her to explain why she wants to put Scotty on "the backburner."
Sloonei has been a hesitant town read for me since the beginning. My only real quibble with him is his seemingly unshakable faith in Scotty as a townread, even after Scotty's unimpressive case against him, which Sloonei correctly identified as pretty damn tenuous.
Moving onto my main suspect: Scotty. Here's a rundown of what he's done since the end of Day 12, where he almost got lynched, but managed to shift enough votes onto Sig to squeak by.
Since then, he's been on the warpath against multiple people, seemingly switching targets depending on thread traction.
His first target was Kyle, who he accused of "skating by on his ignorance," mainly by quoting a bunch of times Kyle asked someone a question.
Scotty's case against Kyle is incredibly damn similar to my case against him in LOTR, where we were both civilian.
A few hours later, Sloonei point-blank asked Scotty who he thought was bad. Here's his response:
This is the quote that I keep coming back to when describing Scotty's gameplay:
There's a pattern here. Scotty is frantically switching between hastily-assembled, clearly-biased cases against people he think he can shift his thread-heat onto, in order to save his own bacon. He's just throwing pasta at the wall, hoping that some of it sticks strongly enough that he can hide behind it.
Now, Scotty's a smart, self-aware fella. Here are his responses to accusations of making flippy floppy and pushing forth biased narratives:
Personally, I'm far more willing to buy into the latter. But your mileage may very.
[VOTE: SCOTTY] aubergine
Kyle is someone I don't have particularly strong feelings one way or the other. I was convinced his behavior in LOTR was scummy, but I was proven hella wrong. I haven't really figured out how to read him. He feels like the "easiest" lynch out of the group.
Daisy, I vacillate on. I'd like her to explain why she wants to put Scotty on "the backburner."
Sloonei has been a hesitant town read for me since the beginning. My only real quibble with him is his seemingly unshakable faith in Scotty as a townread, even after Scotty's unimpressive case against him, which Sloonei correctly identified as pretty damn tenuous.
Moving onto my main suspect: Scotty. Here's a rundown of what he's done since the end of Day 12, where he almost got lynched, but managed to shift enough votes onto Sig to squeak by.
Since then, he's been on the warpath against multiple people, seemingly switching targets depending on thread traction.
His first target was Kyle, who he accused of "skating by on his ignorance," mainly by quoting a bunch of times Kyle asked someone a question.
Scotty's case against Kyle is incredibly damn similar to my case against him in LOTR, where we were both civilian.
Spoiler: show
By the next day, this order has already changed, and Sloonei goes from a civ read straight to a full-on baddie. He posts a lengthy case accusing Sloonei of being "wishy-washy" and "pushing a narrative" during Day and Night 11. Here's Sloonei's response:
Yeahhh, this case against Sloonei just doesn't make logical sense to me, and requires too many bonkers assumptions.
This is the quote that I keep coming back to when describing Scotty's gameplay:
Fast forward to this morning:
Now apparently Lorab and I are a rung below Sloonei and Kyle, who he spent the previous 48 hours or so harping on. Scotty doesn't even explicitly agree with anyone's specific case against Lorab. He just makes a statement saying that "Day 2 Scotty" would be thrilled at people wanting to lynch Lorab, and places him at the bottom of his read list.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:38 am People I’m making my mind up on:
I BELIEVE ARE CIV—
Nijuu
Epi
Dom
SpaceDaisy
Quin
SVS
I BELIEVE COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT LEANING CIV-
Boomslang
IDK-
cbob
DDL
sprityo
I BELIEVE COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT LEANING BAD-
Sloonei
Kyle
I BELIEVE TO BE BAD-
INH
LoRab
If I could move my IDK’s out of that category, then my POE will be so much clearer.
I’m comfortable with where we at, fam. Lookin good in either case, even if y’all (SD, Quin, SVS) mislynch me.
There's a pattern here. Scotty is frantically switching between hastily-assembled, clearly-biased cases against people he think he can shift his thread-heat onto, in order to save his own bacon. He's just throwing pasta at the wall, hoping that some of it sticks strongly enough that he can hide behind it.
Now, Scotty's a smart, self-aware fella. Here are his responses to accusations of making flippy floppy and pushing forth biased narratives:
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:36 pm Yep, I absolutely wasn’t sure of you a few days ago. I had a strong civ read, then Wilgy died, and I was left second guessing. But your conviction that I am bad, though egregiously wrong, makes me feel better about you again.
Are you telling me that reads don’t change for you from time to time? My reads are not deadset, otherwise I’d be a statue (a damn sexy gargoyle, if you ask me): so yeah, I’ve oscillated on you, and view you as civ right now.
I get it, I’m not going to sway you from voting me. But if not me, who would you vote?
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:19 pmI'm looking at you under a lens, so pushing narratives is just another way of how it fits my thinking. And I'm not comparing you doing "something good". I'm saying you were hardly screaming for people to start looking at you as a culprit. I think I did a pretty good job of pointing out that you were doing it out of necessity because everyone else was looking that way.
What this comes down to is how much credit each player is willing to afford to Scotty. He's either an idiosyncratic sensistive soul who is constantly revising his opinions, and looking at players through different "lens" of his choosing, or, he's changing his point of view in order to save himself, and writing cases that impugn targets while glorifying himself, while also having a fraught relationship with the concept of "objectivity."Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:20 am I know exactly how you feel, SVS. I’m feeling more and more detached as the game drags on and no one really validates my cases. And I’ve made a multitude of cases- LoRab, INH, Wilgy, Sloonei, etc that I’m beginning to think I’m just wrong about all of them. Some look at them as ingenuine and/or mudslinging, but I think that’s because they’re just not seeing things from my point of view- I feel like I’m right, and I want to be right, so it makes it that much harder.
You’re wrong about me, but I feel like we at least share this feeling.
Personally, I'm far more willing to buy into the latter. But your mileage may very.
[VOTE: SCOTTY] aubergine
- Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:00 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 13
Eh. He's not a member of Strex.Quin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:56 pmSo scottys goodjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:42 pmScotty and sprityo were off in one corner, talking amongst themselves.
"I think we should lynch xbox" said Scotty"
"Hmm..." said sprityo "I'm reconsidering my stance burn."
"I still farted it up" said scotty.
"Ki votes count" said sprityo. "Meeit".
In the meantime, Spacedaisy and SVS were talking in another corner.
"We should put our brain hemispheres together" said Spacedaisy "sometimes, I feel as though one of us has two left hemispheres, and the other one has two right hemispheres."
"I have no idea what you're talking about" said SVS "But when you mentioned hemispheres, it was the missing link. I have now solved Hilbert's eleventh problem."
"We make a great team!" said Spacedaisy "If only I could make such a great team with Quin!"
*whoosh*
Spacedaisy suddenly entered a flashback. Or possibly a flashforward. Hard to be sure.
"We have to go back" screamed Jack Shepherd
Quin and Spacedaisy compared their notes.
"So" said Quin "What I'm seeing is that somehow we collectively suspect everyone in the game, but don't actually both suspect anyone. Can I get a Venn diagram for this? How is this possible?"
It also turned out that Quin used to deliver fish and chips to Spacedaisy when she was a young girl, even though Quin was pre-embryonic at the time. Spacedaisy had the odd feeling that she was in Lost Season 3, as presented by David Lynch.
*whoosh*
Day 13 has ended. Lorab has been lynched. She was:
It is now night 13. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs inYou are 99: A Cow (A Game About Chinese Food) - You have the ability to make a trip to get chinese food intolerably boring, and really you just look like a cow, because you are, in fact, a cow. If targeted by a role that can learn affiliation, you will appear to be town. You are MAFIA and a member of STREXCORP.
- Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:15 am
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Night 13
He was killed on Night 2, correct? This is pure, uncut, WIFOM, but there's been a kinda low-level suspicion brewing ever since the start of the game, or at least I remember someone mentioning it in Cerberus, that scum teams would be willing to nightkill one of their own early on, putting them on their second life, but giving them cover throughout the rest of the game. That's assuming alignments carry over after death, of course, but from my limited perspective, that appears to be the case.
I'm not ruling him out.
I'm not ruling him out.
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:55 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Night 13
I’m traveling right now, so my vote’s based entirely on gut reads. Boom has been a solid town read for most of the game, while Bob has provoked mixed feelings.
[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine
[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:03 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Night 14
well that was the lamest possible outcome
- Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:12 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 15
I'm feeling fairly conflicted here. The cases against Kyle keep reminding me of LOTR Mafia, when I was convinced he was scum. Instead, we were both hella town. I highly doubt my vote's going there today.
Sloonei has been a town read for most of the game for me. Dude was a super-genuine hyper-active instigator on Cerberus, and despite my dislike of some of his stances, (specifically about the need to lynch trumping due process and strong case-making) I overall trusted him.
Then the merge happened, and he vacillated between apologizing for not trying harder, and refusing to engage with other people when they asked him about his opinion.
I'll be honest, I agree with what S~V~S has said against Sloonei, and find his slippery justifications of townreads utterly uninspiring. Especially when the townreads he refuses to elaborate on are Daisy and Scotty. The former inspiring ambivalence in me and the latter being my top scumread. I've been trying to drill down why Sloonei is so convinced that Scotty is town for a while now, and from what I can gather, it stems from them being members of the Supatown instigation squad back on Cerberus.
Here's where things get complicated for me. Scotty posted a big, messy case against Sloonei a couple days ago. I'm reasonably sure Scotty is an Even. I also can't see Sloonei as a Strex member. I'm not quite ready to drink that big goblet of WIFOM indicating that Scotty tried to lynch his fellow Even Sloonei. That's a big pill to swallow.
I could honestly kinda see Sloonei as an Indie role. (We haven't lynched any of those yet, have we?)
Unfortunately, no one else seems to want to go for a ride on the ol' Scotty-wagon, so my vote's entirely up in the air. I'll check in before EOD.
Sloonei has been a town read for most of the game for me. Dude was a super-genuine hyper-active instigator on Cerberus, and despite my dislike of some of his stances, (specifically about the need to lynch trumping due process and strong case-making) I overall trusted him.
Then the merge happened, and he vacillated between apologizing for not trying harder, and refusing to engage with other people when they asked him about his opinion.
I'll be honest, I agree with what S~V~S has said against Sloonei, and find his slippery justifications of townreads utterly uninspiring. Especially when the townreads he refuses to elaborate on are Daisy and Scotty. The former inspiring ambivalence in me and the latter being my top scumread. I've been trying to drill down why Sloonei is so convinced that Scotty is town for a while now, and from what I can gather, it stems from them being members of the Supatown instigation squad back on Cerberus.
Here's where things get complicated for me. Scotty posted a big, messy case against Sloonei a couple days ago. I'm reasonably sure Scotty is an Even. I also can't see Sloonei as a Strex member. I'm not quite ready to drink that big goblet of WIFOM indicating that Scotty tried to lynch his fellow Even Sloonei. That's a big pill to swallow.
I could honestly kinda see Sloonei as an Indie role. (We haven't lynched any of those yet, have we?)
Unfortunately, no one else seems to want to go for a ride on the ol' Scotty-wagon, so my vote's entirely up in the air. I'll check in before EOD.
- Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:55 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 15
fuck it
voting sloonei to tie it up, and to see how others react
[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
voting sloonei to tie it up, and to see how others react
[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
- Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:58 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 15
Kyle is reading civ for me, Sloonei is reading more indie/possible baddie. Had to go with the one who's given me more reason for suspicion.
I don't think Sloonei has properly justified his "weirdness," IMO.
I don't think Sloonei has properly justified his "weirdness," IMO.