The Syndicate

Confirming that I have my role

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:28 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:23 pm Confirming that I have my role

Stiff obligatory check in. Bad.

Well, that is just how we do things where I'm from.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

I'm from Bulbagarden, a Pokémon themed website. My first contact with this website was when a few players from here, including JJJ, played "The 100 Mafia" on that site. I've been on a few games here, only one in which I was really active though (Attack on Titan heist). My playstyle tends to be pushing players during D1, then analyzing the reactions and lynch wagons in the later phases. I may be a little rusty, though, as I just got back from a ~2 year hiatus.

Alright, so I'm gonna look at everyone's ISOs and try to make some reads. Now, they may not be very good reads, as nothing major has happened yet, I'm not very familiar with most of you, and most of the posts seem to be a bit jokey, plus I am still not used to this level of activity, as this thread already has more posts than many games on Bulbagarden get in their lifespan! Still, I figured I should be doing something, so let's see how this goes.

AudreyTheTattleTail - Doesn't seem to have done anything yet, so complete null. If a wagon started forming around her, I'd say a town lean, but since nobody has really said anything opinionated about her, it's as null as you can go.

colonialbob - Slight scumlean. Seems to be following along with what other people are saying, then there is him looking a bit much into a minor mistake by JJJ. Still, nothing too major.

Elohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

JaggedJimmyJay - Town lean. Wanting there to be a lot of activity is certainly an admirable goal, as I find that an inactive town always benefits scum, plus has already started attempts at scumhunting. As a side note, the only player of the bunch I am really familiar with.

leetic - Definitely an independent serial killer, should lynch asap What do you think

Lunalee - Townlean I guess, her ideas to not read people too much based on early posts seems reasonable. Seems to have disappeared after page 1, though.

novaselinever - Scumlean. Seems a bit defensive compared to previous users on the list. Still though, nothing too major.

nutella - Seems even more defensive than Nova, so scumlean for me.

reywaS - Null, most posts have been jokey. Nothing really to suggest a scumlean, though.

sabie12 - A bit townlean, seems reasonable enough. Again, the low amount of game related activity from this person prevents me from saying anything too conclusive.

Sloonei - Null, doesn't seem to have posted anything relevant at all.

speedchuck - The pushing of nutella makes him a townlean to me.

Alright, so looking through this list, it seems nutella is my biggest scumlean, so VOTE: nutella to see their reactions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pmElohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

Thanks for the reads, leetic. Can you expand a little on what you observed from Elohcin that led you to the conclusion I highlighted? Also, she's a she (just FYI ).

She posted a little about you and nutella, and seems to have disregarded the drama of you saying someone else's name. Not much, which is why I mostly consider her null, but more than a couple others have done.

Well, it seems I have already started a wagon. I'm not sure what to think about that, considering the other user on it hasn't been active.

Here's a couple examples:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Really?

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Looks a bit OMGUS-y, plus he had a legitimate point that your post did not really contain much elaboration or purpose.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:41 pm And what's your beef with my observation that Rey is trying too hard? Did you look favorably upon his long player list analysis post when there were like 30 posts in the game?

Getting very angry over what was obviously a joke does not seem towny. In your words, "an easy thing to appear suspicious of".

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:33 pm Have you played with me before leetic?

No, but I also haven't played with 10 other people here so I only have my intuition to rely on.

For two of each, these are my strongest leans currently:

Civ: JJJ and Speedchuck
Scum: Nutella and nova

At the beginning of this day phase, I posted reads based on what had happened N0. Now, with D1 almost halfway over, I am going to take another look at the four people I had labeled as scum leans, and look at what they've been up to in this thread to see if my reads have changed. These people are bob, Jack, nova, and nutella. Since my reads post went in alphabetical order, let's take on bob first.

Reason for my original suspicions:

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm colonialbob - Slight scumlean. Seems to be following along with what other people are saying, then there is him looking a bit much into a minor mistake by JJJ. Still, nothing too major.

For example, he seemed to follow speedchuck's push on nutella:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

Really?

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

What content would you say is present in your post? What should I take away from that post that helps me get a feeling either on you or from you on others?

That, and this post seems a bit of a stretch (although it might be a joke):

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:30 pm It means I said one player's name instead of the other's.

Yes but why? Possibilities:

- It's an honest slip and means nothing.
- You're concerned about how Rey is viewed and not Nova, because you are teammates with Rey.
- You're concerned with how Rey is viewed because you're trying to set up some interaction with him. This reads maf to me.

Now obviously option 1 is a real possibility, but I can't come up with any town reasons you would have made the slip, whole I can come up with several maf ones (to go along side the NAI honest slip). So, sus.

However, he was largely inactive during that time, and neither of these posts were that scummy, so yeah a slight lean rather than a real read.

What he has done since my suspicions:

Not much. He is the only one of my four scumleans to have not had responded to my suspicions. He did post the reads that JJJ asked of him:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:10 pm Let's do an exercise! Yay!

I would like everyone to name two civilian reads and two suspects. Please and thank you for your efforts toward a civilian victory.

Civ: sabie, leetic
Scum: reywas, Sloonei

Later discussing two of them:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:04 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:10 pm Let's do an exercise! Yay!

I would like everyone to name two civilian reads and two suspects. Please and thank you for your efforts toward a civilian victory.

Civ: sabie, leetic
Scum: reywas, Sloonei

Why Sabie and Rey?

Sabie's response to "your intro is bad" was "nova and jjj are teammates" which seems ballsy for scum sabie.

When offered an opportunity to talk about nutella Rey went "hmm idk maybe I'm just being silly tho"

This shows that he is starting to make his own reads, which definitely counters my original suspicion of him just following people. However, when he voted, instead of voting for one of his suspects, he voted for

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:05 pm That said, [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Come play for reals

without giving much of a reason.

My updated read:

About the same. I do like that he's starting to post some of his own stuff, but overall he's still not very active. I'd like to see how he responds to this post.

Jack is next.

Reasons for my original suspicions:

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

Was probably the lowest of my scum leans, as the joke posting tends to be null - still, I could see a strategy where scum posts a lot of irrelevant stuff to confuse the town. Whether he continued the behavior into the next phase was going to refine my read on him, so now it's time to do just that.

What he has done since my suspicions:
More than bob at least. For example, unlike bob he responded to my suspicions:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

Welcome to my town and scum meta for early game. One upon a time, a guy named Rokk Krinn told me that my meta was to act like I was messing around and then suddenly the trap swings shut and I lynch the mafia or setup a key mislynch. You never see it coming.

Now, I think that was a bit generous of him but it's true that I tend to joke around early and turn serious later, when I have a better feel for things.

Anyway.

Townread - Jay for the effort.

Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.

It's like 5 posts into D1. I'm me. I don't have 2 townreads and 2 scumreads yet.

I do like how he states that this is his town and scum meta - if he said it was just his town meta, I'd find that suspicious, but at least he admits it is NAI.

Since this point, he seems to be posting more game related content at least. But it's not entirely towny...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:38 pmI still think Nova’s initial post about catching Sabie looks like a joke in a vacuum.

I believe that you thought it was a joke. That doesn't make me feel great about your mindset when reading page one though.

Name a single game I have ever played with you where I wasn’t joking in my early posts, where I’m seriously down to business scumhunting on D0 and expecting Nova of all people to be doing the same.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Jackofhearts2005 telling jokes. That is irrelevant. This is a matter of novaselinenever and your perception of his post. After he had both made that post and expanded on his rationale, you still assumed he was joking. That suggests to me that you weren't really reading the posts to any thoughtful depth as necessary to play Mafia as an uninformed civilian -- even on the first page.

You’re absolutely right. I’m not reading with thoughtful hunting depth on the first page. But why is that suspicious?

I’m also not going and finding follow up posts when someone tells me Nova’s first post looks authentic.

It’s like you’ve never played with me before.

Which is perfectly normal.

Previously, he told me that his behavior was NAI for him. But here, he seems to be suggesting that it's instead indicative of his town play. Just seems weird.

His next posts were largely making non-contributive posts (jokes, calling inactive users, etc.), defending himself, and then participating in the GTH reads.

My updated read:

Again, about the same. The jokey nature of a lot of his posts definitely makes him hard to read. But I did notice a couple weird things, and again would like his response.

I'll do nova and nutella later, don't have time right now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

Each time the lynch has flipped mafia.

(it's not an option that excites me)

I mean, even in that case, there would be two more active scum, who would be better targets

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

i dont care for how you seem like you want to always give a pass to inactives...as if it is unheard of for mafia to fly under the radar by claiming busy-ness or some other excuse for being MIA. Ive done it many time myself.

I generally find inactives to be easy mislynches, so pushing for lynches on them is a behavior I consider scummy (I've won Fruit Bowl Mafia as scum by constantly lynching inactive players). Note that by inactive, I mean players that don't really post anything at all and are at risk of being subbed out, not players that seem to be hiding under the radar like you are referring to - that can definitely be considered scummy behavior.

Another thing throwing to consider is that Audrey is a new player, and it's easy to confuse scummy behavior with inexperienced town behavior. The best way to read Audrey will be to see how other people interact with her, and make inferences from there.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:55 pm

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:21 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

@leetic is defending me because she knows that I am a townie

Hi Audrey!

What does everyone think of this post? I think it's her most easily-assessed content one way or the other. My present inclination is that it looks positive. I'm not sure Audrey would be so eager to attack someone defending her in her very first game if she was a baddie.

I like it. Leetic's one not so much.

He's once again using arbitrary value to something pretty vague "information". I don't necessarily disagree with him that lynching players for for the sole reason that they're inactive is bad and doesn't get town anywhere, however he's being too fatalistic which gives off a disingenuous tone. First, information from a lynch isn't just drawn from the lynchee (is that a word? lol) posts but from the different wagons and votes dynamic as well that lead to the lynch itself. Second, who's to say she wouldn't show up (we still had 24 hours), defend herself and/or contribute which will lead to more "information".

He's trying to give off an engaged/serious vibe that reads fake to me.

Alright, since I was asked to respond to this I will. Addressing your first point, yes we get some information from the wagons, but it's difficult to read the people on said wagon when their only reason for voting is "inactive". For the second point, I agree with putting a pressure vote on these players, but a full on lynch wagon is a bit much. Still, this is mostly speaking from my experience, and yours may be different, but for now I am opposed to an Audrey lynch - plus, worst case scenario, assuming Audrey is scum, that would still leave two active scum who would be more pressing targets.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:06 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

lol, okay.
[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
Let's make a three-way tie and hash this out, shall we?

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine because why do you want to set up a tie this late in the day. A no lynch won't help town right now, and seems like an almost OMGUS way to handle pressure.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Idk, the threat of getting lynched is pretty motivating. Worst case, I still get lynched.

Can you give me a reason for why you decided to tie the votes?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:29 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Idk, the threat of getting lynched is pretty motivating. Worst case, I still get lynched.

Can you give me a reason for why you decided to tie the votes?

it was purely an "F this I'm getting lynched" reaction, and I'd rather one of the other two wagons than myself. Sorry if my freak-out bothered anyone. I'm okay with getting lynched.

Hmm, I do like this reaction and find it pretty towny, still a bit too late to change anything. I'll switch my vote to Jack, as I've found him suspicious for a while and he has yet to answer some of my suspicions.

Nice! But we can't get too complacent. I'm gonna look at all of Lunalee's posts again and make an analysis.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:21 pm I would like a minimum of two players to volunteer to take on this mantle in the event that I am killed. I know I sound like an arrogant-ass clown (or an arrogant ass-clown), but please put aside such annoyances. This is about winning the Mafia game. We're a team.

I would like to volunteer for the role, but unfortunately I can't guarantee that I'll be 100% active as my birthday is in a few days.

Lunalee analysis

Here we go! Gonna be skipping NGR banter and such.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

First game related post was aimed at these two. Considering this and the fact that they were early on her wagon, I think there is now strong reason to townread Jay and nova.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:03 pm I won't bother updating the 2/2 thing I was doing unless someone specifically requests it. I had no immediate plans other than squeezing reads out of people.

I'm lazy about mafia right now, and could really benefit from someone squeezing reads out of me.

Then you should provide them. I will squeeze.

Two people you trust and two people you don't trust: go.

Don't trust:
novaselinever, mostly for his "got one" response to sabie's post, and him playing Jay's overly-excited puppy dog on day 0.
colonialbob, suspects Jay for acting very town and getting the ball rolling, inserts himself into nutella and speed's dispute with a lot a almost "fake" sounding questions, and has an issue with Jay typing "rey" instead of "nova"

Trust:
JackofHearts2005, yes he has fun, but he's getting down to business quick.
sabie. From my (limited) experience with sabie, this looks like prime town-sabie content.

Here's her suspicions from the exercise. Out of these, only sabie wasn't on her wagon, so she may be worth looking into more.

For the next activity, I'll save the trouble of quoting everything and list the users she listed as "bad":

- Reywas
- nova
- bob
- Audrey

It's unlikely that she listed all the mafia as town, so there is likely to be at least one scum here. I don't think it's nova and bob was also on that wagon, so Reywas and Audrey should be investigated.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm I feel the weakest about my decisions on Audrey and Luna. They are both basically 50/50 to me.

Audrey's only on-topic post in this game is this:

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 pm i promise you nutella is a were wolf otherwise why would she use lots of bad words in a small sentense if she's not a were wolf well than who else could be seriously.

I don't like the way it looks for someone who has barely been around.

Her suspicion on Audrey. Might be distancing, but as I said throwing suspicion on inactives is a good scum strategy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Now she took on nutella, a wagon that had me on it, to try to distract from speedchuck. Still, as nobody save me was really strongly suspecting nutella at that point, I wonder if she thought the wagon had a chance. Definitely makes speedchuck look worse and nutella look better, but not quite sold on either yet.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Avoiding the question on speedchuck again, and yeah, I can see he's scummy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:06 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

lol, okay.
[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
Let's make a three-way tie and hash this out, shall we?

Her response to getting voted. Since she doesn't seem to care if Jack would get lynched, he's likely town.

tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie

One thing I found interesting is that, with my switch to the Jack wagon, votes were 4-5, meaning it would be easy for scum to flip the lynch if they wanted to. Get, for some reason, they didn't.

There are a few potential conclusions that can be drawn from this:

1. Scum was already on the Jack wagon, and thus couldn't switch.
2. Scum wasn't around during EOD.
3. Jack himself is scum.

If conclusion 1 is correct, that's not a good look for reywaS, and likewise with sabie and conclusion 2. Thus, I think either of them would be good targets for D2.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:21 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:09 pm One thing I found interesting is that, with my switch to the Jack wagon, votes were 4-5, meaning it would be easy for scum to flip the lynch if they wanted to. Get, for some reason, they didn't.

There are a few potential conclusions that can be drawn from this:

1. Scum was already on the Jack wagon, and thus couldn't switch.
2. Scum wasn't around during EOD.
3. Jack himself is scum.

If conclusion 1 is correct, that's not a good look for reywaS, and likewise with sabie and conclusion 2. Thus, I think either of them would be good targets for D2.

And Jack, presumably? Is there some reason you gloss over option 3 here?

The main reason I am a little less suspicious of Jack than the others is because Luna voted him during EOD, rather than jumping on speedchuck's wagon which would have made sense from a self preservation perspective. Don't get me wrong, a Jack lynch isn't off the table, it's just that I find the other two more suspicious.

My one question is, if both Lunalee and Jack are scum, why didn't they just hound speedchuck?

My two biggest suspicions were rey and sable, so [VOTE: reywaS] aubergine since he's active and more likely to respond to the pressure.

A whole hour without posts? It's definitely different without JJJ...

I'm gonna do a more in depth look of some of the suspects.

reywaS

Who else to start with? The EOD shenanigans do not look good for him, plus he is the only one of Luna's GTH scum reads to look bad (I expect there to be at least one bus in her list). So let's take a closer look:

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:40 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 am leetic
Lunalee
speedchuck

reywaS....good AF...obv: Would not lynch
Elohcin....A saint without a deceitful atom in her brain...obv: Would not lynch
nutella....Who knows. Maybe good probably bad...or not: Wouldn't lynch..unless you guys are up for it.
colonialbob....anyone with bob in their name is likely good: Wouldn't lynch
novaselinever....The thought of no lube terrifies me. Not to be effed with: Wouldn't lynch
JaggedJimmyJay....rallying the troops and leader of the civilian army OBV: Wouldn't lynch...would join an unneeded lynch train tho.
JackofHearts2005....the Jack is objectively (all my brain cells agree) the best card in the deck. I saw a kanye concert in 2005. Would not lynch
Sloonei....Name is slightly suspicious. Might lynch
sabie12....see Sloonei
AudreyTheTattleTail....Admitted snitch Would lynch

leetic, Lunalee, speedchuck...the "double EE" crew. Mafia as fuck. SHOULD LYNCH ASAP.

There i solved the game.

I've considered changing my username to just "Luna." Would it help if I did that now?

First we have this weird interaction with Luna. I actually think that this may be one of the points in his favor, since if they were scumbuddies Luna could've easily addressed this in the scumchat. Still, pretty minor.

Funny that his joke post was right about Luna, though.

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:19 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:17 pm It wasn't like the Mac post though. It was made to look more serious at least.

you can keep suspecting me for my sense of humor. One of these days you'll be right. lol You know the saying about broken clocks and whatnot.

I am getting the impression based on this uninspired response to nutella's poop and your purpleface spam at me earlier that we might have arrived at one of those two moments per day in which the clock is correct.

ya think?

His reaction to the first (slight) suspicion thrown his way. Hard to read with the general lack of content - he was one of my null reads early-game for a reason.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:28 am my mafia/civ or civ/mafia reads in a particular order:

JackofHearts2005
Sloonei
nutella
JaggedJimmyJay

His first reads, although he didn't specify whether they were town or scum reads. Way to have plausible deniability if the thread turns against him?

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:03 pm What was the best game-related post I made prior to this conversation, @reywaS?

lol are you trying to figure out if I'm bullshitting or not? If so, your question is flawed. I never said anything about the civvieness of your content. My snap judgement on you was based on the lack of Mafia content.

Most of his interations from this stage in the game were with Sloonei. If rey flips scum, Sloonei may be worth looking into.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:27 pm it smells bad....real bad. Like he didn't feel comfortable just saying "JJJ is being helpful...that feels townie." He had to add all this bullshittery into it to make it sound more insightful when he's actually saying the exact same thing with 2 cups of I know how mafia is played on a macro level please believe.

to quote a chocolatey treat i once read ....."YUCK"

For context, this is referring to a post made by Jack. Seems he was one of the earliest to strongly voice his suspicions of Jack, so at least he's consistent. Also notable is that it's the opposite read of Jack than the one expressed by Lunalee. Still, Lunalee's willingness to quickly jump onto the Jack wagon does give me reservations about calling it a truly towny wagon.

His GTH scum reads - Elohcin, Jack, sabie, Audrey. Notably read Lunalee as town. Not sure how I like labeling Audrey as scum, considering Lunalee also tried to cast suspicion on her.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

i dont care for how you seem like you want to always give a pass to inactives...as if it is unheard of for mafia to fly under the radar by claiming busy-ness or some other excuse for being MIA. Ive done it many time myself.

leetic be on JoeJoe's radar now.

He was the first player to voice a suspicion of me, and over the inactive thing. Just leaving this here for you to judge.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:55 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:57 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

i dont care for how you seem like you want to always give a pass to inactives...as if it is unheard of for mafia to fly under the radar by claiming busy-ness or some other excuse for being MIA. Ive done it many time myself.

I generally find inactives to be easy mislynches, so pushing for lynches on them is a behavior I consider scummy (I've won Fruit Bowl Mafia as scum by constantly lynching inactive players). Note that by inactive, I mean players that don't really post anything at all and are at risk of being subbed out, not players that seem to be hiding under the radar like you are referring to - that can definitely be considered scummy behavior.

Another thing throwing to consider is that Audrey is a new player, and it's easy to confuse scummy behavior with inexperienced town behavior. The best way to read Audrey will be to see how other people interact with her, and make inferences from there.

fair enough

Did seem to drop it after my post. I don't know, I mean I liked nova more when he suspected me, since he was more consistent in his suspicion and had better reasons for the suspicion - chiding my "fatalistic approach" rather than simply suspecting me for not wanting to lynch an inactive. This just feels like backing off.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:11 pm Triple J makes me nervous...regardless of his alignment.

I feel like too many people are too willing to follow his lead. It's too early to be giving him civ status tbh.

He did voice minor suspicion for JJJ, who flipped town. Throwing shade on a vocal leader who is considered town by most everyone would be a ballsy thing to do as mafia, and he gets townpoints for this.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:12 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:11 pm Triple J makes me nervous...regardless of his alignment.

I feel like too many people are too willing to follow his lead. It's too early to be giving him civ status tbh.

Why ain't you vote yet, homes?

ive always been a late voter and im still not quite used to changeable votes. Before my hiatus changeable votes were a rarity. Seems like now its the norm.

His vote lined with his earlier suspicions, but for some reason waited a bit to use his vote. It's enough to make one look twice, at least.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 pmI don't have the energy to be the townchuck you want me to be.

I don't care about the townchuck I want you to be. I can't imagine you've been the townchuck you want you to be.

I can't help your lack of imagination.

Yeah this is crap. Get lynched.

I've given you 1,000 avenues to change my mind, and instead I get this junk.

well to be fair to speedchuck, it's possible that he has conceded as you say..but i dont think that necessarily means that he's mafia. If he's civ, he may think that it's pointless to fight back at this point with you being the leader of the lynch wagon. I dunno. You might be right and he's bad, but I don't think giving up means you are correct in your vote.

Ive only played 3 games in the past 2or 3 years so i could just be out of practice, but I have seen many a day one lynch go like this one seems to be going..and it's been rare in my experience that the lynch wagon actually caught a baddie.


Question for the room (minus JJJ of course) What will you think of JJJ if chuck flips civ?

Defended speedchuck a bit, which is something to consider if speed flips scum.

Lunalee flips, and he seems to disappear for a bit. Then...

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:14 pm I have a gif for all this bogus suspicion of me....


wait for it

Yeah a bit of fluffposting after the flip (this is not the only one). Not a very good look.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:29 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:22 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:14 pm I have a gif for all this bogus suspicion of me....


wait for it

Whose suspicion of you is bogus?

Sloonei and maybe leetic....possibly nutella. Sloonei's suspicion of me smells the worst.

Such "maybe". Such "possibly".

What makes Sloonei's the worst?

i take the possibly nutella back. I thought she was the one that had questioned my reasons for askiung you questions. Apologies.

Backtracking behavior seems to be a recurring theme at this point. It looks like he's trying to play it safe here, regardless of alignment.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:26 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:05 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:57 pm and you seemed to be trying to find baddie motivations behind me asking JJJ questions. Sloonei was 100% feels.

I'd love some content not related to people's views of you

you say that as if all of my content this game has been the self centered variety.

In recent memory a lot of his has been. I'd also like to hear what your reads are of everyone else apart from how people have treated you. There's value in the reads you've given on that front, but a different approach would help.
[/quote]

i appreciate what you are trying to accomplish with this request. I really do....but you are asking me to play the game in a way that i have never done. I am always been a fly by the seat of my Dickie's type of player. I've never been one to make detailed ISOs of everyone. I appreciate that people play this way, but I don't find it fun personally. Im far too scatterbrained for this style of play. I know there is a need for it in the game and i am appreciative of those that do play this way. I have just always been more reactive than proactive.
[/quote]

Now this. I've never played with reywaS before this so I don't know how much of this is true, regardless, I don't like how he seemingly refuses to help the town do some work here. This is one of his scummiest posts from my perspective.

Well, that was a big one. Looking back, reywaS actually does have a few towny moments here, still, a lot of his behavior (especially towards the end) looks rather shady. If reywaS is scum, speedchuck would likely be the third one. Still, I'd love to see rey's reaction to this, I just apologize in advance for making you read such a wallpost.

sabie12

My other big suspicion. Was townread by Luna, plus was inactive in an EOD that was going very bad for scum. But I haven't really went into too great detail with her posts, now have I? Time to fix that.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

First game related post and it throws suspicion on two almost certain town players, one of which flipped. While I liked rey's post for doing something similar, this was still in the early game before everyone thought Jay was town, so it's not good in this context. Plus, it seems OMGUS-y - so far, not so good.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:47 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

Oh I know they're just being silly. If they can make ridiculous accusations then I'll do the same back haha

Like my other big suspicion, has a weird conversation with Luna early game. How odd. Due to this being more game related than rey's interaction with Luna though, it does not give sabie town points in the slightest.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:22 pm Also sloonei usually has more to say but perhaps he's busy?

Goading inactive players. In my experience, this can be a way of making it seem like you're promoting activity without doing anything. Of course, it's not a scumtell if your posts do other things besides pinging inactives, but considering the general shallowness of sabie's posts to this point, it doesn't look good.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

I'd like to come back to this. When, and what did Jay accuse you of? He simply asked me to expand my thoughts on you. He has you as green in his rainbow list.

Also, what do you mean by "get all the suspicions off of them"? Has there been any suspicion on any of us to begin with at that time?

Do you actually believe that we are scum teammates?

You guys came out guns blazing with random facetious arguments based on one sentence posts. So I just said you guys were stirring the pot to get conversation going which you did. You guys made silly arguments so I did too.

Backtracking when it seems she may be getting in trouble. Why am I constantly getting flashbacks to my post on rey?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:04 pm Why is nova voting me? With no explanation no less. Uncool man.
Sloonei isn't acting like his usual self. Typically he has mile long posts.

All of his posts early game, save the Luna interaction, were focused on three people: nova, JJJ, and Sloonei. So we can add tunneling to the mix.

Was largely inactive for the next part of the phase, citing a flu infection. Then,

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:04 pm Going with speed for now. He seemed more sketchy to me. For some reason I thought today was end of poll but yes tomorrow. Gonna go sleep forever and try to get better.

Despite this she never voiced any suspicions against speedchuck before. Seems she was going along with what everyone else was saying.

So basically, all the reasons I suspect rey but even more scummy and lacking some of the towny features rey has shown. So yeah, [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine, though I still want reywaS to respond to my post

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:44 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:44 pm Not changing my play style because a now confirmed civvie asked me to is scummy? You call it refusing to help the town. I disagree totally. I keep getting lynched because I am playing exactly how I have always played the game. I am just suffering because no one has really played with me before. I get it. I don't play like everyone else. It's fine....eventually I'll stop getting lynched for it. I won't stop playing how I enjoy playing the game because people unfamiliar with me find it as an act of refusing to help the town. I have many wins under my belt as a civvie in my career. I don't see a reason to change. *shrugs*

EBWOP

Please don't make excuses. I'm not calling you out for "not changing [your] playstyle" I just want you to do something like posting reads that can help the town be closer to a victory. They don't have to be good reads, hell I wasn't really confident with my D1 reads post due to not knowing the playerbase and I even listed Luna as a slight townlean (lol) but every bit helps. The current way you're posting, you're just looking scummy to me and I just want to read you better.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:02 pm i do post reads.

Oh really? Show me then.

And by the way, I think it's time for another analysis.

speedchuck

Was a wagon that could have easily been taken by scum, yet for some reason it wasn't. Let's investigate further

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Really?

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

The push on nutella, and I originally townread him for it, since it reminded me of how I used to push users early game back in the day. I just noticed something very odd about this though. Let's look at one of his earlier posts to see why.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:56 pmHullo guys

speedchuck entry posts in his last six games:

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am Wondering how elaborate I can make this award reveal.

Socky Awards, Mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm I will do my best.

2018 GOC, Civilian

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.

World Asunder, Mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am I'm never bad.

SPACE FORCE, Civilian

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm This looks freaking amazing.

Hello my fellow slytherins.

Hogwarts, Civilian

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm Speedchuck for president of the flames

Outpost 31, Civilian

Two of them featuring a greeting ("hi" or "hello"). The mafia version of the greeting is inserted by force; the civilian version is smoov like buttah. His Shockheaded Peter greeting is relatively smoov like relative buttah.

Clear, obvious civilian.

Hot damn.

Yeah, if you look at his posts before the nutella push, none of them had any real content in them, yet he's pushing nutella for not generating content. Definitely weird.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:51 pmWhacke

Nice

His very next post was this, right after he accused a user of not posting content. His next few posts are like this as well. So yeah, looking at the greater context, the nutella push is jarring.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.

Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin

Scumreads: Nova, JoH

I’d like to hear more about all of those.

Been townreading Sloonei since "Whacke". He's been great under some amount of pressure early on. That townread solidified when he defended Sabie, referencing the delicious MYLO from last game. I KNOW that's genuine. I was there. He hasn't been sucking up to the powers that be, hasn't been "trying too hard" (in nutella's words) to seem consistent or give thoughts on everyone. He just steps in where he sees a need and keeps his D0/D1 chill. I like it.

Elohcin hasn't done too much. She came in, made a catch-up post, and then left. But most of it reeked of sincerity, to me. It's partly a vibe I'm getting, but I'll try to explain it. When she was making the catch up post, she commented and gave her take on 4-5 things. Some of it had been said before, some of it she took a small step further. It didn't seem like she was trying to fake any thoughts, nor like she was straining for original content.

I guess both of these just seem too chill under the 'Jay Spray' for me to think them scum.

When asked to defend his reads, he suspiciously left out his scum reads. And Jack just happens to be one of them...

When JJJ said that a Luna/chuck/Jack scumteam was possible, at first I thought it was incredibly unlikely, but here might be a bit of credence to that idea.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:44 am Scum reads too, velocitycharles

He never responds to this.

After that, some accusations of Nova buddying JJJ - I won't address them here, JJJ said pretty much all that needed to be said on that matter.

GTH scumreads: Elohcin, Jack, Sabie, Nova, Audrey(?). Notably calls Luna good.

Elohcin being here is interesting, because in his previous GTH, he labeled her as town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Not sure whether he meant bad for Audrey here, but it's still some of that throwing shade on inactives.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Do you think I started the game bussing my teammate within 2 posts, and we've been faking ever since?

I don't really use GTH to theorize scumteams. I look at everyone individually

Talk to me about Sabie then.

90% of Sabie's posts are her complaining about silly accusations, making her own, then walking them back. Specifically regarding Nova and JJJ.
The other one is "where sloonei at he mus be busy"

I'm used to her first post in the game being lost, but still full of basic reads and stuff. She's posted more D1 than I'm used to, but somehow less.

I got that just now after looking back. It's not that strong, but hey, GTH.

Explains Sabie finally, but still not Jack. I think Sabie might be a potential scumpartner for speedchuck, as the noncommital nature of this post almost seems like distancing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:29 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:28 pm @speedchuck and @reywaS, I would very much like to know how each of you reads the other with at least some detail.

He has good taste in scumreads and makes funny jokes. I usually read him while drinking tea and chuckling.

Or reywaS? speedchuck is hard because it seems he could reasonably be scumpartners with almost every suspicious user, which is not a good sign

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:49 pm Nova seems to know what he's doing, I'll join him on his vote.

Sheeping, in spite of him once considering nova a scumread and not really explaining the change in heart. Still, this did help lynch scum, although given the dynamics at that point it could easily be busing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:10 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:09 pm you normally feel this comfy on a day one lynch train?

Nope. I believe my suspect has conceded though, so I feel pretty decent today.

I don't have the energy to be the townchuck you want me to be. I threw that out the window right here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:36 pmWhy is Speedchuck free falling?

He gets graded on a curve against all the other students in the class (a class which is entirely populated by previous versions of speedchuck in other games) as a product of his recent cross-alignment success. He's gotten involved nicely, but none of his posts have made me feel anything. On the speedchuck curve that's orange.

Good luck to you and may your day 2 lynch be better than your day 1.

Almost throwing in the towel here. Very similar to what Luna did before getting lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:39 pm For what it's worth, I appreciate those trying to defend me and I think it comes from a town standpoint.

It's the same attitude that had the townies flopping every lynch in the Socky's game, good or bad. "This lynch is forming too fast, it must be bad!" It saved DDL for a day (scum), saved Reywas for a day (town)... might have saved Sabie if not for nutella's claim throwing a wrench in the final day.

If he flips scum though, I have a feeling the other scum might not be a defender of him based on this post. This post would exist to throw off the town in that case.

After that, a bunch of really short posts lacking in content.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:36 pm Why aren't you voting me then, @Jackofhearts2005?

Why did you switch from reading Luna basd on me to me based on Luna?

His next real post, and first real attack on Jack. Maybe I'll talk more about this when I inevitably analyze Jack, but I'm getting tired now. Still, weird that it took him this long to expand on suspicion of a consistent scumread, and conveniently at a time when things were looking bad for Luna.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:50 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail

Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12

lol @ me

Why are reywaS removed and leetic included?

Reywas is removed because I've had good feels from him all game. I like the way he's responded to suspicion. Though Leetic's recent point about the Jack/Luna balance is important to keep in mind as well.

I liked Nova's post about Leetic and think it needs to be looked into.

More sheeping of nova. With his accusations of buddying, this seems hypocritical. Also says to keep a point I made in mind in the same post he throws suspicion at me, what.

Well, he's scummier than rey to say the least. I should really go to bed now.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:02 pm i do post reads.

Oh really? Show me then.

And by the way, I think it's time for another analysis.

speedchuck

Was a wagon that could have easily been taken by scum, yet for some reason it wasn't. Let's investigate further

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Really?

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

The push on nutella, and I originally townread him for it, since it reminded me of how I used to push users early game back in the day. I just noticed something very odd about this though. Let's look at one of his earlier posts to see why.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:56 pmHullo guys

speedchuck entry posts in his last six games:

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am Wondering how elaborate I can make this award reveal.

Socky Awards, Mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm I will do my best.

2018 GOC, Civilian

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.

World Asunder, Mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am I'm never bad.

SPACE FORCE, Civilian

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm This looks freaking amazing.

Hello my fellow slytherins.

Hogwarts, Civilian

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm Speedchuck for president of the flames

Outpost 31, Civilian

Two of them featuring a greeting ("hi" or "hello"). The mafia version of the greeting is inserted by force; the civilian version is smoov like buttah. His Shockheaded Peter greeting is relatively smoov like relative buttah.

Clear, obvious civilian.

Hot damn.

Yeah, if you look at his posts before the nutella push, none of them had any real content in them, yet he's pushing nutella for not generating content. Definitely weird.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:51 pmWhacke

Nice

His very next post was this, right after he accused a user of not posting content. His next few posts are like this as well. So yeah, looking at the greater context, the nutella push is jarring.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.

Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin

Scumreads: Nova, JoH

I’d like to hear more about all of those.

Been townreading Sloonei since "Whacke". He's been great under some amount of pressure early on. That townread solidified when he defended Sabie, referencing the delicious MYLO from last game. I KNOW that's genuine. I was there. He hasn't been sucking up to the powers that be, hasn't been "trying too hard" (in nutella's words) to seem consistent or give thoughts on everyone. He just steps in where he sees a need and keeps his D0/D1 chill. I like it.

Elohcin hasn't done too much. She came in, made a catch-up post, and then left. But most of it reeked of sincerity, to me. It's partly a vibe I'm getting, but I'll try to explain it. When she was making the catch up post, she commented and gave her take on 4-5 things. Some of it had been said before, some of it she took a small step further. It didn't seem like she was trying to fake any thoughts, nor like she was straining for original content.

I guess both of these just seem too chill under the 'Jay Spray' for me to think them scum.

When asked to defend his reads, he suspiciously left out his scum reads. And Jack just happens to be one of them...

When JJJ said that a Luna/chuck/Jack scumteam was possible, at first I thought it was incredibly unlikely, but here might be a bit of credence to that idea.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:44 am Scum reads too, velocitycharles

He never responds to this.

After that, some accusations of Nova buddying JJJ - I won't address them here, JJJ said pretty much all that needed to be said on that matter.

GTH scumreads: Elohcin, Jack, Sabie, Nova, Audrey(?). Notably calls Luna good.

Elohcin being here is interesting, because in his previous GTH, he labeled her as town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Not sure whether he meant bad for Audrey here, but it's still some of that throwing shade on inactives.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
GOOD
PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD

Do you think I started the game bussing my teammate within 2 posts, and we've been faking ever since?

I don't really use GTH to theorize scumteams. I look at everyone individually

Talk to me about Sabie then.

90% of Sabie's posts are her complaining about silly accusations, making her own, then walking them back. Specifically regarding Nova and JJJ.
The other one is "where sloonei at he mus be busy"

I'm used to her first post in the game being lost, but still full of basic reads and stuff. She's posted more D1 than I'm used to, but somehow less.

I got that just now after looking back. It's not that strong, but hey, GTH.

Explains Sabie finally, but still not Jack. I think Sabie might be a potential scumpartner for speedchuck, as the noncommital nature of this post almost seems like distancing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:29 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:28 pm @speedchuck and @reywaS, I would very much like to know how each of you reads the other with at least some detail.

He has good taste in scumreads and makes funny jokes. I usually read him while drinking tea and chuckling.

Or reywaS? speedchuck is hard because it seems he could reasonably be scumpartners with almost every suspicious user, which is not a good sign

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:49 pm Nova seems to know what he's doing, I'll join him on his vote.

Sheeping, in spite of him once considering nova a scumread and not really explaining the change in heart. Still, this did help lynch scum, although given the dynamics at that point it could easily be busing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:10 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:09 pm you normally feel this comfy on a day one lynch train?

Nope. I believe my suspect has conceded though, so I feel pretty decent today.

I don't have the energy to be the townchuck you want me to be. I threw that out the window right here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:36 pmWhy is Speedchuck free falling?

He gets graded on a curve against all the other students in the class (a class which is entirely populated by previous versions of speedchuck in other games) as a product of his recent cross-alignment success. He's gotten involved nicely, but none of his posts have made me feel anything. On the speedchuck curve that's orange.

Good luck to you and may your day 2 lynch be better than your day 1.

Almost throwing in the towel here. Very similar to what Luna did before getting lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:39 pm For what it's worth, I appreciate those trying to defend me and I think it comes from a town standpoint.

It's the same attitude that had the townies flopping every lynch in the Socky's game, good or bad. "This lynch is forming too fast, it must be bad!" It saved DDL for a day (scum), saved Reywas for a day (town)... might have saved Sabie if not for nutella's claim throwing a wrench in the final day.

If he flips scum though, I have a feeling the other scum might not be a defender of him based on this post. This post would exist to throw off the town in that case.

After that, a bunch of really short posts lacking in content.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:36 pm Why aren't you voting me then, @Jackofhearts2005?

Why did you switch from reading Luna basd on me to me based on Luna?

His next real post, and first real attack on Jack. Maybe I'll talk more about this when I inevitably analyze Jack, but I'm getting tired now. Still, weird that it took him this long to expand on suspicion of a consistent scumread, and conveniently at a time when things were looking bad for Luna.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:50 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail

Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12

lol @ me

Why are reywaS removed and leetic included?

Reywas is removed because I've had good feels from him all game. I like the way he's responded to suspicion. Though Leetic's recent point about the Jack/Luna balance is important to keep in mind as well.

I liked Nova's post about Leetic and think it needs to be looked into.

More sheeping of nova. With his accusations of buddying, this seems hypocritical. Also says to keep a point I made in mind in the same post he throws suspicion at me, what.

Well, he's scummier than rey to say the least. I should really go to bed now.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:12 pm colonialbob
novaselinenever
nutella

leetic
AudreyTheTattleTail
sabie12
speedchuck


Elohcin
JackofHearts2005
Sloonei

hope this helps

Thanks. disregard the first part of my last wallpost then, it was written before you posted this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 pm Can someone tell me why people suspect Sloonei?

You still have not responded to my points against you? Can you please do that? Thanks.

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:19 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:08 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:07 pm

Bringing this forward for reference.

Nova
Me
reywas
Audrey

Who's the wolf?

Maybe Rey. Possibly Audrey. Distancing from an 8 year old who isn’t going to get lynched is cheap.

Do you think Rey/Speed is possible? It’s not as cool as Sloonei/Speed.

Audrey doesn’t have enough posts to really have antialignments.

i risk being labeled at best an asshole or at worst a scummy POS by saying this, but....what is the plan for Audrey? Is she getting a pass till endgame because she's a child? Are we just ignoring her for now or what? This is meant to take up any time or derail the thread...just a simple question because Ive been away for many moons and im legit curious how kids are treated around here. thanks. ~~~Joe joe the SuperThor

My plan to deal with her is to leave her alone for now, as I mentioned before there would still be one active scum even if she was scum, and if she stays inactive she may be subbed out. If we conclude at a later phase that POE indicates she is a suspect, then we can do something, but for now we should let her alone.

As for how children are usually handled... I don't know. I don't think I've played with anyone younger than 16 before this.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:48 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:36 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:43 pm speedchuck

Was a wagon that could have easily been taken by scum, yet for some reason it wasn't. Let's investigate further

Spoiler: show

Am I the only one bothered by this?

I don't know, what is your problem with this post? For clarification, by "scum" I was referring to Luna

I'm unlikely to have much activity tomorrow, as I will be attending a concert for my birthday. Thus, I'm gonna have to get stuff done right now. Jack is certainly suspicious, but I'm not sure if I'll have the time to analyze his over 170 posts right now, plus I feel the next flip will say a lot about him. So how 'bout I look at another name that has been making waves in this thread recently. Of course, I am referring to

Sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:26 pm I am not presently trying to hard.

Early joke posting. Moving on.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:04 pm Why is nova voting me? With no explanation no less. Uncool man.
Sloonei isn't acting like his usual self. Typically he has mile long posts.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:08 amYou're putting me on the spot here.

It stroke me as weirdly succinct on first read, and I compared it to some of her entry posts in previous games. I have no data on baddie Sabie, however her Civilian self usually starts the game with some chatter. She feels comfortable, and appears easy going.

She comes offcold here, or timid I'd say. Right to the point. I don't care much as well for the general compliment, and the addition of an emoji. Probably an attempt at appearing more friendly.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:39 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:37 pm Him and nova are lovers apparently or teammates

Can't we be just two townies trying to solve the game?

I mean we don't even share the same read on you, I don't know why you keep throwing shade our way and grouping us together as an evil plotting duo.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

I'd like to come back to this. When, and what did Jay accuse you of? He simply asked me to expand my thoughts on you. He has you as green in his rainbow list.

Also, what do you mean by "get all the suspicions off of them"? Has there been any suspicion on any of us to begin with at that time?

Do you actually believe that we are scum teammates?

I personally just mislynched Sabie for doing this.

260+ posts in and this is his first game related post. With this in mind, a Sabie flip could tell a lot about him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:12 am [VOTE: Jack O’Farts] aubergine

In solidarity with my brother Bob from the colonies.

Voting Jack fairly early on, gives a bit of a reason in an earlier post but not one that makes much sense. Following a likely town player here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:12 am [VOTE: Jack O’Farts] aubergine

In solidarity with my brother Bob from the colonies.

Why?

I’m not sure.

Is that the "I guess I'll place a vote wherever" kind of not sure, or the "I find Jack suspicious but would struggle to articulate why" kind of not sure?

B

I don't know, I've had difficulty reading and analyzing him so far and it's largely due to posts like this. Maybe that's his strategy, to hide in the background and not provoke any major conflicts. Seems a strategy more likely to be followed if scum than if town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:55 am I get more of an absentee vibe from speedchuck’s posts than a foot-dragging vibe, but I myself was absent for most of the day so I might be missing the immediacy of his contributions.

See what I mean about every suspicious user seeming like they could easily be scumbuddies with speedchuck?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:47 pm [VOTE: reywas] aubergine

Then changes his vote to a user who he didn't talk about at all, while he at least had a few posts about Jack. When asked by JJJ to clarify, he doesn't respond.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:06 pm i feel pretty good about Triple J now, so i'll remove him from my mafia read list. His posts are all very thoughtful and insightful....and they all seem to be a legit effort at finding the evil among us.

Yes, tell us more, sloonei. I'm all eyes....or ears if you decide to use vocarooooni

Whuch end of the spectrum was I on in your 4-person list?

His first real interaction with rey, and it's just a question. For more information about my thoughts on rey's behavior here, see my wallpost on him. Still, seems like an OMGUS if that's the reason why Sloonei voted him (and with his lack of other content, there's little reason to assume it wasn't)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:00 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:56 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:06 pm i feel pretty good about Triple J now, so i'll remove him from my mafia read list. His posts are all very thoughtful and insightful....and they all seem to be a legit effort at finding the evil among us.

Yes, tell us more, sloonei. I'm all eyes....or ears if you decide to use vocarooooni

Whuch end of the spectrum was I on in your 4-person list?

I left the puzzle key right there in my post. *sighs*

I have you in the "don't wanna lynch at the moment" end of the spectrum.

Why the heck not?

because I needed 2 names and i hadn't made a crazy face at any of your posts yet.

But I spent like 24 hours goofing around and avoiding meaningful discussion altogether.

Yeah, that defense totally makes you look towny. Still, a bit ballsy for scum to admit they weren't doing anything productive.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:42 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.

He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye

linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?

I wanted you to provide a read which was an actual stance, and not one which is just the absence of a stance.

One thing that does not look good for him, however, is how defensive he got over a simple GTH. I mean, the whole point of a GTH is it's not based on too much information, and going after him for a minor thing like that just doesn't sit too well with me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:14 pm Voted for jack again

whyzzat

Same reasons as before. I just had some buttons to push with regards to reywas.

Well, if it was a pressure vote, his actions make more sense, still I don't like how he waited this long to explain his intentions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:12 pm Jackofhearts2005 In the Sockys game I argued that sabie was mafia at lylo in part because she’d responded to all accusations with some form of “I don’t know why people are accusing me.” We mislynched her and speedchuck hopscotched away with a dirty scum win.

Lol didn’t ya’ll know Speedchuck is always mafia?

Sabie did

And now we have a few more minor, barely contributing posts from him. They're not necessarily scummy, but they do not give him town points either.

After that we have interactions with Jack, I think that a Jack/Sloonei scumteam is unlikely as these two players seem dedicated in their opposition to each other.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:33 pm Sloonei, tell me about speedchuck immediately.

I haven’t paid much attention to him. My focus generally has been fairly limited. I never got the impression that I was under pressure at any point, so I would agree that it’s strange of him to award me townie points for the way I handled pressure. I commented in my initial flurry of posts that he seemed absent, which is NAI. I have not looked closely at him since then.

A bit more of avoiding the speedchuck question. Seems a little weird for him to be paying little attention to who was at the time the most likely lynch option, though. I feel that if speedchuck flips town, then Sloonei would be unlikely to be scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:15 am I am on my phone and don’t feel like navigating the perils of a multi-quote post, but reywas’s mini interrogation of Jay seemed a little unmotivated. He was asking questions, but I didn’t get the impression he was really invested in the answers. His “what will people think if...” census felt particularly aimless.

Also, this was his contribution as the vote change whacke-iness was unfolding:

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:40 pm what a weird day 1

Not the best look.

After the flip, he switches from being super focused on Jack to being super focused on reywaS. Was it due to Jack's presence on the Luna wagon, or some other reason...?

Most of his recent stuff just follows from this, and has mostly been addressed.

Overall? Still not sure how to read him. Not much really stands out as scummy, but nothing really stands out as towny either. At least his interactions with other people means that he'll be easier to read if certain people flip.

Since I might not be here for EOD, I'll do this now: [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine. He's interacted so far with basically every other person on my suspect lists, and all to some degree of scummyness. The EOD situation on D1 doesn't particularly look in his favor either, and his responses to my suspicions have been... not the best. My sabie vote accomplished one of its main goals in putting pressure on sabie anyway.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:33 pm @nutella
@Jackofhearts2005
@leetic

Pretend speedchuck was removed from the poll. Who are you voting for?

Likely sabie, for reasons already expressed.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

I'm not entirely sure I like this way of thinking. Last game I played in, I didn't vote someone on D1 because I liked the way the votes were going. I wasn't there at EOD, and it resulted in a no lynch, which was the first major mistake leading to an eventual scum victory. If you have someone you want to vote, you should vote them or you might regret it later as I did.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] sheeping means following along with what a player is doing without providing your own input, like how a sheep follows the shepherd. Often a sign of either scum play or inexperienced town play.

Just wow! We shouldn't get complacent of course, but just... Awesome.

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 am leetic
Lunalee
speedchuck

reywaS....good AF...obv: Would not lynch
Elohcin....A saint without a deceitful atom in her brain...obv: Would not lynch
nutella....Who knows. Maybe good probably bad...or not: Wouldn't lynch..unless you guys are up for it.
colonialbob....anyone with bob in their name is likely good: Wouldn't lynch
novaselinever....The thought of no lube terrifies me. Not to be effed with: Wouldn't lynch
JaggedJimmyJay....rallying the troops and leader of the civilian army OBV: Wouldn't lynch...would join an unneeded lynch train tho.
JackofHearts2005....the Jack is objectively (all my brain cells agree) the best card in the deck. I saw a kanye concert in 2005. Would not lynch
Sloonei....Name is slightly suspicious. Might lynch
sabie12....see Sloonei
AudreyTheTattleTail....Admitted snitch Would lynch

leetic, Lunalee, speedchuck...the "double EE" crew. Mafia as fuck. SHOULD LYNCH ASAP.

There i solved the game.

I think this almost clears reywaS, since revealing almost the entire scumteam seems like too much of a WIFOM gambit.

I was a little iffy about nutella before this, but since she was the second one on the speed train and thus the one to make it a viable option, she's pretty much town. Wow, my suspects list is thinning fast!

Also LOL at two of my town reads in my first reads post turning out to be scum

If Elohcin were scum, she could've easily jumped on the speedchuck wagon to gain town points, but didn't. Another person off my list for now.

To keep track, here is a list of other players so far that I feel confident in townreading:

colonialbob
Elohcin
novaselinenever
nutella
reywaS

We can do this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?

Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:10 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:08 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?

Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.

When was the entire mafia team “revealed”?

The post of his I just quoted.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:12 am Am I missing something or did some people not vote this poll?

reywaS and nova didn't vote

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on the speedchuck wagon. Sabie and Sloonei, especially the latter who suddenly jumped from the rey wagon to the speed wagon at the end of the phase, are top suspects.