The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:03 amI am Spartacus

What does one dream of when he is no longer a champion ?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:21 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:09 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:03 amI am Spartacus

What does one dream of when he is no longer a champion ?

Errr... I dunno, but I bet it's a reeeeeeeeeally long dream.

Regaining the title from the thief who stole it.

And that's enough Spartacus for today. Nice to meet you too!

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:40 pmWhatdd up

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

How much history do you have with sig, nova? (Serious question, btw).

Serious answer, I have none. This is our first time playing together I think.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

Given I share his perspective I am going to assume you aren't trying and are bad.

I'm trying but unlike you I don't share his perspective since I didn't like his initial post (sig's). It felt forced so I understand where MP is coming from and why he asked him that. I'd like to know why he found MP's post bad.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

Given I share his perspective I am going to assume you aren't trying and are bad.

I'm trying but unlike you I don't share his perspective since I didn't like his initial post (sig's). It felt forced so I understand where MP is coming from and why he asked him that. I'd like to know why he found MP's post bad.

First I think we played a few games here and there on TS, but we weren't active in them at the same time.

I found it bad that MP called me out for giving meta information on a player that nobody else knew anything about. Like why wouldn't I offer this information unprompted? Especially when it might not be common knowledge that we're from the same site.

Oh my bad then. I've been fairly inactive in most of my games here so I might have missed you.

Well, it looked more like a 'no you' post after he called you out. About your initial post, it was more the tone of it than the information shared that rubbed me wrong. I appreciate the info given but it felt like you were over excited to talk about it. Forced. A premeditated post. Something baddies often do to appear helpful.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

How much history do you have with sig, nova? (Serious question, btw).

Serious answer, I have none. This is our first time playing together I think.

In that case I rescind my ping on your questioning.

It appears I was wrong and he corrected me. We played 2 games on here together but we never interacted. I was also inactive in both so it was my fault lol.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:41 pm I'll catch up after my birthday is over. In the meantime, tell me who to suspect? I won't lynch Mac or dunya because they wished me happy birthday and I won't lynch Golden because he's my brain twin and I need to know if I actually suspect him before I vote to lynch him. The rest of you all are fair game.

What is my husband up to? Has he been suspicious yet?

Happy birthday!

sig wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:58 am [VOTE: nova ] aubergine the case on them is uninspiring and honestly i can't tell their alignment, but I'd rather we not lynch epi or dunya and novq has from my memory coasted through entire games as mafia on NF.

This feels like a forced vote. Earlier when you mentioned me, you said that I was playing my Town meta by being quiet but now it's opposite. Which is it then ?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:32 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

All of nova's game-relevant content stems from this exchange and all that was established by it was the fact that sig and nova have played a couple games together. In my experience with nova he has been quiet early in games, and he's been town each time, so I'm not alarmed that he's been a low-key figure in this one. I do want there to be more content here, though.
@novaselinenever where is your head at right now? What do you think of the people who are voting for you and do you have any other reads to share?

I'm catching up as we speak.

I don't have much Turnip so far. Haven't seen much from him or at least nothing caught my eye. I'll iso his posts after catching up.
MacDougall is one of my strongest Town read atm. I've like his posts since he arrived and he was asking the right questions and making the right observations unlike you where most of your questions felt hollow and there was no follow up. I especially liked his interactions with Golden.
Sig is someone I haven't like so far since his initial posts. Some of his posts pinged me where he appeared to not have any stance at all. Seemed like he was intentionally being careful and not being genuine. One post in particular where he played the two sides by agreeing with Dunya's read iirc but also not liking her post. It was a weird one and iirc it was flagged by a few other players.
He also flip-flopped in an interesting manner. I recall him painting me as a quiet Town and thus gave me a Town read earlier based on meta. However his reasons for voting me was because I and I quote " often coast as scum on NF " . So that feels like a forced vote to me. I might have more on him meta-wise if he shares his NF username and if we have played beforehands.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:43 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:40 pm Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

I actually think you might be onto something. Sig is just a really tricky player to read; I never can seem to be right about him either. There have been moments on my own throughout the game when I felt like his thought process was genuine.

I do feel like his handling of you though is a bit shaky. That's definitely the weak spot in his ISO.

How about the forced vote he admitted to ? If you've isoed him I'm sure you've seen his initial meta-read on me. It seems like he changed it in order to justify a vote.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:00 pm One thing that bothers me about sig is all that conflict with dom and he's voting Nova and I don't really understand why.

He gave reasons. Mostly a meta-read on me, that I usually coast as scum on another forum, and him not liking the other (Dunya and Epi iirc) wagons.

However, he admitted to his vote being a forced one. He earlier also had an opposite meta-read on me, that I'm adhering to my Town meta by being quiet.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:08 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:07 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:00 pm One thing that bothers me about sig is all that conflict with dom and he's voting Nova and I don't really understand why.

He gave reasons. Mostly a meta-read on me, that I usually coast as scum on another forum, and him not liking the other (Dunya and Epi iirc) wagons.

However, he admitted to his vote being a forced one. He earlier also had an opposite meta-read on me, that I'm adhering to my Town meta by being quiet.

What do you mean by a forced one?

A weak vote without much substance and that he doesn't even like (according to him) that help him not get involved into other wagons that are the center of discussions and will get scrutinized.

I could quote you two of his post where he gives to meta-read on me based on my activity (being quiet). The initial one was as Town when he was engaged with Dom and voting Dom. The new one is as scum in order to justify his bogus vote.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:16 pm Thanks, NVN, appreciate the clarification. Would you vote for sig today?

Yes. I'm looking at him and Sloonei mostly this day phase.

Vote

Lynch

Sig

[mention]sig[/mention] Who are you on NF ?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] What about the case on sig ? I haven't seen you weight in on it.

You also asked me about him and still no follow up. Do you even seek answer to the questions or are they all just empty ?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:26 pm Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:18 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

private chat?

Yes.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:22 pm BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? @novaselinenever , @Marmot , @M Plus 7 , @Dom , @Golden

He had a good case against him, imo at least.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:32 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

If by private chat you mean the role PM that all of us got, yes.

you're making it seem like I'm in a scum chat by using "private chat"

lol no, I'm not baiting you or implying that.

I mean the role private conversation. Questions like that can be asked there and it looks like you did.

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:20 am I dont like yellow @MacDougall ugall

Is that all you have to say ?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:07 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:26 pm Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

So I avoided scrutinization by doing something that is more likely to get scrutinized? Not following here. Isn't it scummier to just jump on an easy wagon and parrot some BS reason that somebody else said than to actually try and hold someone different up to a light?

It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

Also, what is your post trying to do here ? Are you using hypotheticals of what is scummier to defend yourself ?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:13 pm I would say that analyzing day 1 votes with someone like Colin is most helpful if we had a confirmed scum, but what do I know.

Regardless, I don’t view Colin as guilty looking as some people do.

What do you mean by someone like Colin ?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:19 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:09 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:07 am And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:19 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:09 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:07 am And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?

The game didn't end after the Day 1 lynch, did it?

Are you implying that you had no attention to lynch her D1 ?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:22 pm It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. By "hold someone different up to a light," I mean precisely that I was calling attention to scummy behavior in lunalee. As far as my reads on you go, refer to the controversial vote-post in question. The case for you was a fiction, the case for sig was fluff and the case for Epi was probably worse than those two.

Why are you fixated with the cases against us ? It's not an excuse. It doesn't matter how weak they were, what matters are your reads.

Didn't you have any read on any of us ? Didn't you wish to save the two you had the best feelings about ?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:02 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:04 pm Catch-up time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:40 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:58 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:56 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:53 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

It's a bad look to vote for somebody I'm suspicious of, as opposed to jumping on a wagon I don't believe in (which, by the way, turned out to be a civ)? Golden's paraphrase of my post here is disingenuous and distorts the character of my message.

If sig is bad, Colin is bad. If sig is good ... well, guess Colin is still bad?

Remind me why you voted nova and how has your thinking changed?

When did that happen ?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:56 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:32 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:45 pm

Spoiler: show

From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.

I was worried about a tie tbh, a d1 no lynch has happened to me in games before and I feel like it puts us into an endless cycle of misinformation. This probably sounds flimsy but
a. I'm new so Epi's behavior seemed weird as I don't know anyone's metas that was alive at the time
b. I posted the "No Lynching is illegal" Trump gif (this should obviously be enough)
c. I wasn't going to be around for several hours after voting, and he seemed the best option at the time (I didn't post after that for quite awhile). I wouldn't have felt comfortable with a sig lynch because he was not acting scummy based on my games with him on my home forum.
d. At the time, Epi had 3(?) votes on him I believe and was the leading wagon, with 2(?) votes on another player - I wasn't going to risk a tie when our information tank is empty.

As far as I know, a tie doesn't lead to a no lynch but to an RNG between the tied players from my experience here. It might differ from host to host though.

All right, I'm finally caught up. It's been a long day. I'm liking the two current leading wagons. A lot.

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] I think now is the time to expand on your " Sloonei is not MAF ". What makes you think that except "he's not acting like on" ?

It is not the only confusing thing about him. I've been reading his ISO and I can't identify his train of thoughts. He's been consistently flip flopping. He was one minute voting for me and the next, jumped on Colin's wagon. Mostly his reasons for suspecting people have been, "they voted for a confirmed Townie" while he did the same, and "they're laying low D1" without much substance.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:49 pm He has answered you already. He thinks Sloonei is indie. I can see why because I actually bothered to analyse his posts. So if you haven't bothered to analyse his posts there's no use getting him to explain it because it's got everything to do with the way Sloonei is posting, and nothing to do with what he has said.

I'm pretty sure that's not the only thing he thinks. He also has him as a potential town lean.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:47 am I find Mac's defense of wolbre's defense of Sloonei confoundling all at once.

It was really aggressive. He accused me of not wanting to bother analyze posts and I don't know where he's getting that from. I don't see a reason against Wolbre explaining his thoughts and giving the analysis of Sloonei's posts that lead him to believe that. It's standard procedure.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:07 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:02 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:59 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:47 am I find Mac's defense of wolbre's defense of Sloonei confoundling all at once.

It was really aggressive. He accused me of not wanting to bother analyze posts and I don't know where he's getting that from. I don't see a reason against Wolbre explaining his thoughts and giving the analysis of Sloonei's posts that lead him to believe that. It's standard procedure.

There's really no reason for me to explain anything further beyond "Sloonei isn't pure mafia. He might be 3p aligned mafia or regular town" at the moment. Night actions told me so and I'm confident in myself

You need to read those rules.

I have a feeling people are gonna shift to Sloon and he's gonna get mislynched. Prediction.

If you believe him to be a 3P, how would his lynch end up being a mislynch ?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:13 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:08 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:03 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:02 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:59 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:47 am I find Mac's defense of wolbre's defense of Sloonei confoundling all at once.

It was really aggressive. He accused me of not wanting to bother analyze posts and I don't know where he's getting that from. I don't see a reason against Wolbre explaining his thoughts and giving the analysis of Sloonei's posts that lead him to believe that. It's standard procedure.

There's really no reason for me to explain anything further beyond "Sloonei isn't pure mafia. He might be 3p aligned mafia or regular town" at the moment. Night actions told me so and I'm confident in myself

You need to read those rules.

It's obvious in the thread based on who died imo and who is trading

OK sorry it just looked like you were infodumping but you should make sure you don't do anything that looks like it might be infodumping too.

Glad it wasn't but in any event I've slowly been leaning towards a Colin vote and it might be where I end up. We'll see.

Sorry about that, I was trying to say that based on the stuff leading up to epi's death and this day, I don't think Sloonei would be a worthwhile lynch, but that's just me. I'm far less experienced than 99% of you so it's probably better to just listen to someone else

All right, so here's where we disagree. I think that his lynch is very worthwhile and I found some of his interactions and the also the lack of them with certain players, very interesting. I think he has more scum team compatibility than Colin and thus his flip gives a lot of info.

I also sense a certain resistance to his lynch even though most agree with Mac's case on him. The same can't be said for Colin's lynch. For example Scotty didn't see much of a case against Colin and all of a sudden he sees Colin guilty with each post. Mac who made the case against Sloonei is also voting Colin. You defending him.

Experience can be overrated sometimes. It shouldn't stop anyone from listening to you if your arguments are sound.

I still haven't decided between the two but leaning Sloonei now.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Has MP moved down in your rainbow or is he still going strong green ?

Same question to Dom. You both had him as one of your strongest Town read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:09 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:06 am @MacDougall Has MP moved down in your rainbow or is he still going strong green ?

Have I given you some indication to feel this way or is this just a completely random question?

Take a guess.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:22 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:09 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:06 am @MacDougall Has MP moved down in your rainbow or is he still going strong green ?

Have I given you some indication to feel this way or is this just a completely random question?

Take a guess.

I genuinely have no idea.

At any rate I would say he and Golden are both slightly lower. All my reads regress to the mean the longer I have them for. At first I was pretty eh on Golden and MP but when I was analysing deeply I had a team mapped out and they were not in it, but out of that zone I was in my reads on all of them have softened somewhat, for good or bad.

I would say the biggest shift would be Dunya, who is my top town read now because of the thing I noticed before where she got mad at me for a post I town read her in.

All right, thank you.

I was mostly asking because of his interaction with LC a few pages back. They both looked pretty bad coming out of it but I agree with the points LC raised on him, especially him being a Straw man. He felt a bit opportunistic trying to spin negativity on LC's posts. Then reacted over dramatically to LC's suspicions/vote and followed that up with a big 'NO U' vote.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:39 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:22 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:09 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:06 am @MacDougall Has MP moved down in your rainbow or is he still going strong green ?

Have I given you some indication to feel this way or is this just a completely random question?

Take a guess.

I genuinely have no idea.

At any rate I would say he and Golden are both slightly lower. All my reads regress to the mean the longer I have them for. At first I was pretty eh on Golden and MP but when I was analysing deeply I had a team mapped out and they were not in it, but out of that zone I was in my reads on all of them have softened somewhat, for good or bad.

I would say the biggest shift would be Dunya, who is my top town read now because of the thing I noticed before where she got mad at me for a post I town read her in.

All right, thank you.

I was mostly asking because of his interaction with LC a few pages back. They both looked pretty bad coming out of it but I agree with the points LC raised on him, especially him being a Straw man. He felt a bit opportunistic trying to spin negativity on LC's posts. Then reacted over dramatically to LC's suspicions/vote and followed that up with a big 'NO U' vote.

Nope.

What ?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:59 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:46 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:39 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:22 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:09 am

Have I given you some indication to feel this way or is this just a completely random question?

Take a guess.

I genuinely have no idea.

At any rate I would say he and Golden are both slightly lower. All my reads regress to the mean the longer I have them for. At first I was pretty eh on Golden and MP but when I was analysing deeply I had a team mapped out and they were not in it, but out of that zone I was in my reads on all of them have softened somewhat, for good or bad.

I would say the biggest shift would be Dunya, who is my top town read now because of the thing I noticed before where she got mad at me for a post I town read her in.

All right, thank you.

I was mostly asking because of his interaction with LC a few pages back. They both looked pretty bad coming out of it but I agree with the points LC raised on him, especially him being a Straw man. He felt a bit opportunistic trying to spin negativity on LC's posts. Then reacted over dramatically to LC's suspicions/vote and followed that up with a big 'NO U' vote.

Nope.

What ?

This stuff about spinning negativity and a straw man. It’s not there. It wasn’t there when LV said it but at least that was a no u.

Well, I see it there in the way he spins his questions. He even preemptively paint it as unintentional if it's there.

Finally caught up. I'm still good with the Colin's lynch. He hasn't done anything to really defend himself and all of his posts are bad, real bad. In my interaction with him, I didn't like his explanation to the Luna vote and I'll be looking at her when he flips scum.

Something I find interesting is how this wagon grew exponentially in the last few hours. I know he didn't defend himself but I still feel uneasy with all the votes he's getting when it was a tied lynch earlier.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:35 pm Cool lynch, I assume I’m still a suspect.

You are.

What do you think of it ?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:53 pm I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

Your odd vote on him early D1 comes to mind.