The Syndicate

Hey everyone! This game looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. I like the story. I dont remember if I've played a map based one before. Regardless it's good to be back! (Yesterday was actually the 1 year anniversary of my brain surgery so I'm glad to be back and functioning again!)
I am interested to see what the poll ends up doing as well.

I feel like the options probably do mean something in regard to how the game will move forward as people are saying. Like will you become more could mean getting something that helps you another power or something. I can see why people would vote that if it is in fact what that means. Someone had mentioned honorable tribunal sounds like it may be something to help civilians get one of the baddies. Each chosen option enhanced extra votes maybe? Not sure about the rest and could be totally wrong but just some thoughts thus far.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:04 pm The one I understand least, can't even guess on is, "Hit the Major Third". Any guesses or past game knowledge on that?

Maybe something to do with movement as someone was saying moving can be 3 squares?

"The appearance of being true or real". Hmm idk about that sounds deceptive in a way as it says the appearance of rather than just being. Unless its revealing something deceptive?
Not sure but I think I'm going to go with the honourable Tribune. If it means what has been discussed thus far it sounds like it could be helpful.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:27 pm @@sabie12 you've talked quite a bit about the different poll options and ended up going with "The Honourable Tribunal". Care to walk us through your thought process on that?

Based on what others were saying about what it might mean it sounded like it would benefit us.

Well I guess that could go either way depending on if the 3 players are randomly chosen and end up being civ or if they come from different sides.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:09 am Yay for changeable votes! And now we know the night polls have tangible results, and we found out in a way that is not actively harmful so long as we try to avoid ties, as DH says. Good on us.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:27 pm @@sabie12 you've talked quite a bit about the different poll options and ended up going with "The Honourable Tribunal". Care to walk us through your thought process on that?

Why did this vote stand out to you, when several other people engaged in discussion of what the options could mean, and some just voted with no real engagement at all? I am not trying to put you on the defensive, I really want to know. This post surprised me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:15 am I'm going to be voting DDL tomorrow.

The speculation over the roles is an act to get involved.

Now go.

I had had that thought as well, that "helpful civ" post ftw. I may or may not have time to read his posts in prior games this weekend, leaning "not", so shortcut; people with more recent DDL experience than I, is that kind of role analysis a norm for civ DDL?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:09 am mac and quin get it. sloonei's approaching getting it. truthbombers unite.

I am old and unhip and haven't played for a year or so. What does this mean?

I also was wondering some of these same things. Like why I was questioned for my choice in particular when most people just kinda picked because they liked the option. And others also were trying yo figure it out. We didnt know what any of those things were so I just kinda speculated as to what they might mean.

And I also must be old and unhip and I don't know what those things mean either haha.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:24 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am OK....I got wifi on the plane...

Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

@LC @BR: Is the difference in the map from earlier to current based on a host correction, or based on night 0 activity?

The only difference I noticed was the trees/forest are more pronounced

It looks like theres also a couple of bridges that werent there before.

With all the talk of tying up lunches and the tribunal it does look like some of the roles impact the amount of votes people have on them anyway. So that would mean there is a potential for a situation to appear as a tie and then not really be that if someone has minus votes or extra secret votes put on them or whatever right? Or would the tribunal players know that information prior to their input?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 am Please note that the map grid in the first post has been updated to the current state of the map. It had been an older version. It went from this:



...to this:

LC, those are the exact same...

There are now bridges which I assume must be important for some reason?

I do see some valid points on the case against sloonei but I also can see that as a playstyle thing. It's been awhile since I've been here but I know sometimes people just go in guns blazing and start accusing people and get the conversation going. It's not my thing but some people are good at that.
Also just wondering why if someone is a top poster they shouldn't be voted for. Just in the sense that they do get people talking and a conversation happening?

Just a couple thoughts:
Dana and Nova haven't shown up at all yet as far as I saw. Are there plans for replacement if they don't?

Yeah Bob does seem a little all over the place I'll have to look more into that. Not sure if that's where drwilgys suspicion comes from? from what I can tell all drwilgy did was vote with no explanation and then go away with no explanation. I'm always wary of the random no explanation votes even if just a minimal one.

Also someone asked what valid points there were against sloonei and the genuine comment could be taken as an unnecessary statement but I'm not putting my suspicion on them right now. I see their posting as more stirring things up and getting people talking.

Trying to keep up the best I can with everything lots of people playing this game so much to read. Also I dont own a computer so phone typing is obnoxious sometimes blah.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:17 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

There's something specific that led to my vote but I don't want to share yet because I'd rather see how he handles the pressure

So far: not great, bob

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:11 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Yeah, saw him reading the thread and that he hadn't put a vote down yet. Wanted to see if anything had changed.

Not a fan but it's also hardly damning, and iirc sabie was traveling so not likely to get much right away.

His posting.

I think I just find Bob's posts to be confusing. Such as the "his posting" and saying theres specific reasons but not wanting to share. Maybe I'm just reading wrong or not understanding what's being said.

And yeah trying to type all this on the phone literally takes me forever haha ugh but I'm doing my best.

Leaning drwilgy at this time due to random voting no explanation not even mentioning it and then completely disappearing. Off to a Christmas party. I will check back in after though in case anything else comes up.

Keeping my vote with drwilgy for now as of yet haven't seen much of a case not to other than someone saying he has done that before in other games. Unless he has some kind of personal stuff going on I don't see why he would vote no explanation and then just leave for the whole day phase.

Wow okay things got a little crazy after I fell asleep. No one was even suspecting wolbre and then all of a sudden they're lynched and civ. RIP wolbre! I feel like that came out of nowhere. There's so much to read and catch up on.

Picking Auriel Unmysterium because sounds like something that may give us useful information.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:14 pm CAUGHT UP! GLORY!

Ok I pretty much commented on stuff as it went on, skipping anything that sounded too minor to deserve its own post.

First of all, this night end time is godawful to me and there's no way I can be here at the time, so I apologize if I wasn't here last EoD, and for the fact I'll probably miss all EoDs. Unless the hosts pull the end back like 3 hours, which I don't know if they can/want.

Second, I mostly agree on cases made on Sloonei, like Epi's, and really think he is saying a little too much on his posts sometimes. Like he's using flowery language and agreeing/disagreeing with everything at once to look like he's doing work. That said I also kind of like the point about his post count being too high for mafia (though that could be wrong) and I think his defenses are reasonable and I also think Mac's tinfoil theory on him and G-man is crazy. So put Sloonei as a slightly bad read to me, not a strong one.

Still think Tranq looks like crap. Need to see more from G-Man to be sure.

Mac still looks civ. Quin also looks very civ, I think I have the same Quindar that Speed does (inb4 Speed thinks he's bad). Getting a pingy feel from sabie, I think he/she's a little too hands off from the game, but could be just a fish-out-of-water thing.

DH feels less contributive than before this game but that might as well be a good thing because lately he's made a habit of putting huge contributions while being bad. I feel like I need to say something about DH because he's pretty much TS' Public Enemy #1 after the last few games.

Not really feeling anyone else, I'll bring the next serving of salad when I do.

The timing doesnt really work for me either. I was asleep while everything went down. Before I went to bed wolbre wasnt even being accused yet. That whole thing confused me as to how it went down so quickly. From what I can tell some of it seemed to stem from people wanting votes off of themselves. Do we know who voted where by the end of the poll?

I also did see some people questioning the wilgy votes and I explained why I voted him. I always thought it was deemed not acceptable to just randomly vote and never announce or explain and then just run away the rest of the day. If I'm wrong you may correct me. Even if someone has done that before I dont get why that's okay and to me it seems like a way to avoid being detected as bad. If everyone just randomly voted and then went away there would be no game.

I am not a big talker initially in a game especially with so many people and my couple year hiatus due to brain surgery. I do my best to keep up and see what's going on. I don't have a computer so it's hard for me to type out really long posts. I do apologize that logistically it's hard for me to carry on long conversations in this game. I know a few people but for the most part not familiar with many or the previous games or playstyles. So that's why you haven't seen a lot of my posts but I am paying attention and am definitley trying to get back into the swing of things.

Oh I do see the poll pinned on the first page. Wolbre voted for themself? Okay then.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:46 pm I believe LC and BR are planning on moving the deadline up a few hours moving forward, for those that found last night difficult. This night phase is only 21 hours long, so I would guess that it will be moving up 2 or 3 hours.

That might be a little more doable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:52 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:46 pm I believe LC and BR are planning on moving the deadline up a few hours moving forward, for those that found last night difficult. This night phase is only 21 hours long, so I would guess that it will be moving up 2 or 3 hours.

That might be a little more doable.

Do you have any thoughts on anybody in the game so far?

I am working right now so I'm logging off for a bit but I can get back to you on this.

I said I would respond with thoughts after work and Ohhh I dont know everyone is so hard to read this game so far. I have a few thoughts but nothing profound really.

Nova still hasn't shown so well see what happens there.
Dana just recently started and mostly discussed game mechanic questions but theres so much to read I can see why if she wasn't here initially.

I can see the case on juliet's as it's a lot of just agreeing or responding to things rather than new ideas. I know I've played with her before but honestly dont remember when or what games.

Sig I can see how their behavior at end of day could be deemed kind of suspicious it was a little all over the place which could have been to make the wolbre vote look more random than it really was.

Quin eh he was bad last game and acted similarly but I get the feeling that's just him and him pushing people away could be a way to hide teammates or just some inside joke I'm not aware of with other players.

Colin I'm not sure about because he said I'm gonna bandwagon vote DDL without any real reason and then doesn't contribute anything else really. I did notice the few posts that were quotes with just lmao or like or something similar.


Sloonei talks a lot and changes his mind a lot but he does get conversations going and people talking. I'm not entirely sure how to feel about it as he got really defensive when the votes were on him. It's hard to read all of his posts but I know hes changed who he's suspecting many times. Which isn't to say he hasn't made some good points.

There was some stuff about gman but I have no idea I couldnt get much from his posts.

I'll have to look at mac and timmer as well as they were also wolbre voters.
Just some random thoughts so far. I'm gonna try to go enjoy my evening. I'm sure there will be a million posts to read when I get back haha.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:45 pm @juliets I appreciate your response to me, but I find there's not much I can say in response to it one way or the other. All I'm really interested in is your reads right now. Whenever you can, I'd love to hear your thoughts on whichever players you're comfortable talking about. The gist of my issue with your posts so far is that I do not see many reads at all.

Ok no problem. I am talking to llama and Elo in discord right now but I'll give you a reads list either later tonight or in the morning.

I remember llama and elo! How are they?

So much going on as people are saying it is really hard to follow. RIP nutella. Corrupted remnant sounds bad but I guess we dont know a hundred percent whether it's bad or indie just that he wasnt a civ. I mean I feel like its beneficial that hes not in play as from the role it sounds like he could kill off civvie characters and would provide false information which would lead us in the wrong direction. I have work as well so not going to be able to do a lot during the day.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

It's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.

Sorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.

I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.

Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

okay then

Who is the main person we're looking for?

Does "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?

And then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.

Anyone have thoughts on this or is this just like randomness and jokes that I don't understand? I know theres lots of random inside jokes here that I don't get.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

okay then

Who is the main person we're looking for?

Does "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?

And then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.

Anyone have thoughts on this or is this just like randomness and jokes that I don't understand? I know theres lots of random inside jokes here that I don't get.

I am not sure what you are asking.

I guess I just didnt understand what was going on here or am I just not meant to?
And the asking about alignments and Am I civ? thing didnt know if that was just a joke or something.

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:02 pm Hey guys, I'm really confused by this game, the roles don't have an alignment linked to them. Am I a civvie?

Just thought it was a really weird statement.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:24 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

It's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.

Sorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.

I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.

Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.

Usually powers go through upon death.

In this case, it wouldn’t make sense what you outline. Why would he name that role for LA? You seem to understand the role just fine at first, but then you are putting out confusing ideas.

I just didnt know what forge means exactly. My wording is probably not good sorry. I was merely saying if the trickster forges a kill and it says whoever they killed is a role of someone who is still alive then that person who is that role will know that was false. So it's something they could really only get away with once unless they have a team and just pretend the baddie team is being killed off when its civs.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

I am still not convinced wilgy isnt bad. Unless he just really doesn't care about this game at all he didn't even put up any defense about being accused or voted for. And he still really hasn't been around. It also now seems like maybe TH was defending him.

I was just speculating if TH was the trickster could he have killed nutella and someone killed him. I dont know if that really impacts anything but it would be an interesting turn of events if it did happen that way.

Can someone condense the argument on g man so I can get a better idea of where that is coming from? I didnt really get much from trying to read him before.



I know I haven't posted much there is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:36 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

Why not pursue it now?

I just read your ISO, it didn't take long. A lot of fluff, and lurking, and trying to freak people out over the Trickster. That was a fun trick like 5 or 6 years ago when we first started playing with Seemer roles (I think it was Nutella who first did it at the Piano, in a "Make Your Own Role" game?). Whip the civvies into a frenzy over was/wasn't the Seemer dead in order to make them distrust their own judgment, and thus easier to steer. I got caught out at it in a game at RM by DH maybe, and that was that. I never did that again. but it catches my eye bigtime.

You remind me of me, you precocious little devil.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

You seemed to agree with me that spirityo seems sketchy but then put your vote on me? I'm confused.

Oh okay I thought maybe that was it or then I was like wait did I read her post wrong? Regardless I am leaning towards either spirityo or wilgy at this point. I've explained my thoughts on wilgy. Spirityo has nothing in their posts so far of any substance. Nothing speculating on reads on people or anything. Seems like a way to keep suspicion off of them. I didnt see where they address why they didnt participate in the first lynch poll either when they were otherwise involved in the game. Could that have been blocked by someone or just a lack of wanting to be accountable for a vote? He also didnt explain why he all of a sudden out of nowhere was suspicious of me. It could have been anyone and I still would have found it sketchy because theres no explanation and nothing shared prior about anything. His random suspicion made me look st the ISO and I'm not really a fan of it. Svs also makes a good point about the responses with TH. I have to work so my vote will go there for now but I will keep up with what happens throughout the day.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:53 am @Quin I did not really understand the case you were making, I thought it was too esoteric. Now I understand better and will reread.

Also I want to ask a general question. I see that some general things about gameplay have changed. It used to be that the first day, everyone was all over the map, but then the town started to coalesce and work together. That seems to not be the case anymore. Not just this game, in other games I have read in to check against the games of people playing here as well.

Is this new Mafia thought, cast a wider net, catch more fish? I will say it is harder to follow peoples suspicions and thoughts when there are 30 players and 20 suspicions. I am finding it harder to follow, as few people are really commenting on other peoples suspicions, on just on the suspects of one or two other people.

Or will it settle down, it just takes longer now?

I am kind of with you there this game is a lot more all over the place than what I remember from a few years ago when I used to play. I just figured it was just because I haven't been here in awhile and don't know a lot of people anymore. Could just be the mix of playstyles present I currently.

Interesting I wonder who is out there giving out incorrect information about me. I'm curious to know what was said maybe it was taken the wrong way. I'm assuming the old lady in the woods is something regarding the map.

Sorsha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:32 pm Put a vote on wilgy for now. Maybe he will come out of hiding again?

Maybe but even when he did last time he was very nonchalant about everything like oh I have votes okay whatever I dont care bye. I feel like usually people who don't post much explain that they're busy or something. And typically at least attempt to defend themselves. He voted no explanation and then disappears and comes back with just wanted to tie things up and then nothing.


And spirityo that sounds like a baddie was near me not that I'm a baddie. I now see you are just misinterpreting the info given to you.

Moving my vote to wilgy.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:45 pm Im willing to bet my theory is correct. Trusting strange old women in the woods sounds sound to me

I'm willing to bet her info was correct you are just interpreting it wrong. Thanks for sharing helped confirm my suspicions.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:50 pm Nevermind Sabie I dunno if legally you can answer that

I dont know if I legally can either but I think I've made it pretty clear indirectly.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:05 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:50 pm Nevermind Sabie I dunno if legally you can answer that

I dont know if I legally can either but I think I've made it pretty clear indirectly.

yeah, I don't know if I buy this. Sprityo asked if any shady characters had been by that way. The woods lady says, "yeah, I saw sabie with a jagged blade." If sabie were just standing on the square, minding her own business when an actual baddie happens by (like she claims), the wood lady would have told sprityo the other name instead of sabie's.

I dont think that's true. It says "with" meaning there was a person with me. If the info was given by the hosts I think it was intentionally ambiguous as to not completely give eveything away. From what I know of the hosts they're not going to make things that easy and just say this person is bad. It has a different meaning from the way he was interpreting it.

People are discussing the info dumping thing and Even just not having been here for awhile I feel like this info dumping thing is new. I always thought you had to make a case based on how people post and vote and all that and the info you got could help make your case without sharing it but I guess the rules kinda changed on that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:52 pm @sabie12 what's your mafia background?

I joined in 2014 played some games stopped being active in 2016 had a brain tumor and dealt with that for awhile then came back. I don't really know what you want to know. I've played with a few people on here before.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:37 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:35 pm Why Wilgert?

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

If the mady woman's information is cryptic/indirect, sabie seems to be implicating wilgy. Plus, DH's points on wilgy are not insubstantial.

Luna's hasty support of sprit's info has knocked her down a peg in my eye. I still town read her, but I'm a little concerned by that.

I looked at the sabie/Wilgy thing. Basically on Day 1 she went really quick from "I can't tell why people suspect Wilgy, he just voted and left" to "I suspect Wilgy, he just voted and left". I don't think it reflects great on her or that it has anything to do with sprit's stuff tbh (and she can maybe correct me a little bit or dig more into her case? I don't think it's a lot more than that).

I never said I can't tell why people suspect wilgy. I said I can't see a reason not to.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 pm ok a couple thoughts

i believe sprityo is being honest about what he experienced, in the woods, with the woods woman, mainly cus it would be a ludicrous thing to lie about. i don't necessarily think that i trust information coming from a character that's described as a crazy old lady that lives in a forest to be completely 100% accurate since BR and LC put a lot of thought into balance, but i think it's worth keeping in mind as a data point nonetheless.

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as far as sabie herself goes, her response to sprit''s accusation was very calm, she didn't seem particularly panicked and she didn't accuse sprityo of lying or anything like that. this could go either way for me cus if she was bad and knew the accusation was true, then she might realize that going after sprityo instead would backfire so going after the info source as unreliable might be more effective. alternatively she might just generally be a cool cucumber.

i would be interested in seeing anecdotes of her responding to similar situations in the past, if anyone knows of any.

How would you want me to react? Get all angry and annoyed? It doesnt say I'm bad but that a person that was with me was bad. I dont think hes making anything up to accuse me I think he truly believed his incorrect interpretation of the information. He's just wrong.

Im sorry I really thought he was bad based on his behavior and everything. If he really was that role it sounds like a super helpful role he could have utilized a lot more had he participated. Although I know there is that one that can fake a role when lynched. Also I guess I missed something on where the tranq thing came from all of a sudden. I'll have to look. Falling asleep soon I wasnt planning on staying up this late. Also if that crazy lady is right and there is a baddie near me I guess I'm probably doomed sigh. Or the info was all completely made up and skewed.

Interesting that votes were missing and also that INH appeared out of nowhere. Wondering what people think this night poll means? Did the last one do anything?

Just popping in for a second. I also was referring to the hollow man role that can appear civ when lynched. Its possible. Or it's possible we were just wrong. Wilgy never bothered to defend himself or do anything really so it's hard to tell. I will have to look more into the 5 people sloonei was suspecting and see where the tranq thing came from as it happened pretty quick. I had been suspecting quin before so I'll have to look more closely there. I think the inh suspicion comes from being unsure where his info came from all of a sudden out of nowhere at the end of the day after not being around for awhile and everyone thinking he was silenced. This end if day was weird to say the least.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:38 am Wilgy could be the Hollow Man. That one appears as a random civ when lynched

I guess this is possible, but what would be the odds of losing both false front roles in the first few days? Possible, but I dunno. I would expect Sabie to be more freaked out that he flipped like he did if she believed him to be bad, as opposed to herself. Her reaction is more "meh, oh well, time to move on I guess".

I don't love the info any more than you do, but it IS out there, so can't ignore it.

Linki, what lie? I thought that was a crack about info dumping. And INH is a force of nature. An unusual nature, but you can't really take him at face value. He does and says his own thing always, and I won't auto-susp him for saying something quirky and provocative.

I have played with both of them for a long time, I might not read them the same as you do.

I do feel bad about being wrong about wilgy and that I let myself be convinced he was bad if he wasn't. I guess him being so nonchalant and absent most of the game made the whole thing a little more meh for everyone. As people were saying the end if day was not as lively and exciting as it can sometimes be. Usually the people being accused at least come in and defend themselves and a conversation happens. That didnt really happen this time. No one else really has had a strong reaction to his death either that I saw unless I missed it. But again I'm sorry I was wrong. Both lynches have not gone great for us so hoping for better results next time.
It seemed like everyone was pretty quick to move on to the next thing. Especially with INH coming in with a bunch of posts out of nowhere.

I dont know all I know is someone is messing with me and has it out for me and that little bit of map info is making people suspect me when it really does not say I'm bad. People haven't made any case against me other than here is some really vague info we choose to interpret incorrectly and we will automatically assume sabie is bad now. I am not bad so someone is trying to make me look that way to get suspicion off of themselves.

The gman thing I was just trying to ask someone to condense the argument on him because there was so much going on I just didnt follow it. I was not defending him I was just asking someone to condense it so i knew what was up. I honestly didnt read his iso or anything so chalk it up to laziness on my part.