The Syndicate

hi

my internet will be limited for day 1 and 2 of this game but ill try my best

was disappointed i didnt roll the laser gun operator but im grateful for not rolling maf

why does it say its day 0 btw? isnt it day 1?

or does the game start on night so we dont get to laser someone today

Oh yea i was also thinking of using RNG to determine our protections

like idk the numbers but lets say arbitrarily say 10% , each bunker goes to rand.org or however eas the site, rolls between 1 and 100, if its 1 to 10 they protect nutella, otherwise save their shot. Obv different on even nights and as more of us die but u get the idea. Like, just think of some numbers that will give us good odds, i think its okay to slightly potentially lose the game on the first night if it means bigger chance to win in the end

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:33 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:30 am why does it say its day 0 btw? isnt it day 1?

or does the game start on night so we dont get to laser someone today

It's just like a check in phase, you can think of it as d1 being extended basically

ok cool. does the game then start with day 1 or night 1 first? Whats the standard here

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:37 am That’s not what we’re doing lol

feels annoying to disparage my idea without even giving it a chance as if its something silly, and as if luck isnt already involved to a degree in mafia

if each bunker (assuming we shot maf) rolls 20% chance to protect laser gun its a little under 90% that laser gun will end up with at least 1 protection

alternitavely we can agree on a consensus townread that can protect laser gun, and bet the game on them being town and everyone else holstering

and potentially adding failsaves such as asking the second biggest townread to also protect or someone we think cant be maf with the first mentioned person to protect

Could organize the playerlist into non-maf pairings of 2 ppl and let them be nutellas bodyguards. Might push the maf to bus

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:46 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:41 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:37 am That’s not what we’re doing lol

feels annoying to disparage my idea without even giving it a chance as if its something silly, and as if luck isnt already involved to a degree in mafia

It is silly idk what to tell you

Then if youre town you put yourself in a position to embarass yourself post game if your plans end up being worse than randomness, so good luck

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:54 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:35 am Oh yea i was also thinking of using RNG to determine our protections

like idk the numbers but lets say arbitrarily say 10% , each bunker goes to rand.org or however eas the site, rolls between 1 and 100, if its 1 to 10 they protect nutella, otherwise save their shot. Obv different on even nights and as more of us die but u get the idea. Like, just think of some numbers that will give us good odds, i think its okay to slightly potentially lose the game on the first night if it means bigger chance to win in the end

We have to assume the aliens will try to kill nutella every night. We will non-randomly arrange protects to ensure, and insure, that she has multiple layers of protection each night. We will do this in a way that eliminates the possibility of unfortuitously picking all aliens to protect her.

100% guaranteeing laser gun's survival would mean putting at least 5 protections on her on even nights and god knows how much more on odd nights. we cant guarantee her life every single night and we shouldnt try to

other way around even/odd

if i was an alien i would be killing bunkers every single night

it is the least risky strat to win if youre maf. like its 11v4 and you have 1.5 kills every night

like you guys think that making pre determined plans is the least risky way for town to win but i argue the opposite. you are betting it all on having correct reads on a lot of stuff and it will just be embarassing if it all flops wont it

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:54 am We have to assume the aliens will try to kill nutella every night.

i think long con is town for this line. the more and more i thought about what i would do as alien, the more i think that it would never cross my mind to think this, or to propose to my teammates that we take unnecessary risks by putting kills on nutella, like, ever. (so to clarify, i townread the line because i think its incorrect)

i also slightly tr dunya for her energy

maybe this is a bit too early but i also townread nanook for their low effort one-liner quips and lowkey trolling / lack of discussing in good faith

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:32 am I’m not trolling btw, I just think we can do better.

these two arent mutually exclusive, you were doing both

moving in

for anyone else in the future please argue in good faith about what we should do

don't confidently proclaim stuff like "we are doing X Y Z" without backing it up. it comes off as corny

this is @ Long Con as well

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:54 am We will non-randomly arrange protects to ensure, and insure, that she has multiple layers of protection each night. We will do this in a way that eliminates the possibility of unfortuitously picking all aliens to protect her.

please don't make such statements on the behalf of everyone. maybe this could just be a me thing but this exact wording in these sentences are annoying to me

i dont need to convince you on that. maybe younger tutuu would be adamant but older and wiser tutuu picks her battles better

fair enough

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:37 am Oh no what if we get embarrassed won’t that suck.

this was your response to my posts. you ignored the actual important stuff and you threw a light jab at me.

like your mission wasn't "tutuu u are wrong because X Y Z" it was "lol tutuu u are so silly for saying that we would get embarassed"

the reason why i wanted to avoid making this post is because its not related to the game / doesn't push anything further / i want to move on, and because i already townread you for it

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:54 pm We publicly make a list of who protects who. When someone dies we know who lied

right, i did miss this

hm

i dont immediately see anything wrong with this strategy

if we all consensus agree on someone being town, and bet the entire game on them being town, what we can do it

have the consensus town protect nutella

have a chain of protection, 1 person protecting another person, and 1 person will be left without protection (since nutella cant protect). that can be the biggest sketchball who we will leave without protecion

so this way maf will either have to kill the sketchball if the sketchball is town and/or if the sketchball is mafia, they will have to make another kill that will guarantee outing a mafia

yea actually this feels like the best proposed plan so far

actually i can see a fault in this plan

we will use up 25% of our protections and it wont even catch a mafia

because the mafia will simply attack a protected target and waste their kill

there's no reason for them to out a maf for a town. so we would have just all wasted 1 bunker protection for a no kill

i think its wishful thinking that we won't misfire (mislaser)

the game realistically should go to like day 6 / day 7

i think preserving the bunker protections is top priority. we should never make a plan for nutella to 100% guarantee her surviving if it takes too much resources. if the maf wants to take a risk with bad odds for them then let them take it. we can determine the odds ourselves, to an extent

preserving bunker protection includes saving fellow bunkers. i am seriously considering never protecting nutella and letting the simps do that, and instead holstering / protecting someone else / protecting myself

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:14 am I think the best plan is four people protect nutella N1, a different five N2, etc. etc.

Obviously numbers adjust as we kill scum.

we can expend 1 to 4 bunker protections and potentially lose if we picked all 4 maf but fair enough i dont think it will happen

if we go with the RNG strat of 20%, there is a 90% chance that nutella has at least 1 protection and on average it will expend only 2 protections total (since 10 bunkers)

the biggest benefit of going RNG is that it's quiet / we deny mafia info

Alison is right that the less info we give maf the better. I feel like "town" and "mafia" are kind of reversed in this game; we, as town, need to hide as much info as we can, and maf will have a lot of solving to do

But I do personally think if we decide to make no public plans, on average, we will waste more protections than if we all agree to go with a random number. That's just how I feel.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:33 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:25 am okay, I think we assign the four most scummy people on day 1 to use their protect on Nutella. I think that's the optimal day 1 strat. If anyone wants to use a bunker on another target, they should do so in secret.

Least scummy or most scummy? I think you mean most and I think I know what you mean by that strategy but pls confirm lol

most. bottom of the poe. They're probably either going to be taken out by lasers or shot by aliens looking to avoid protects

I disagree. I am mafia. I see the sketchballs all protecting the laser. I just kill the towniest bunkers and sweep the game

Mafia main wincon isnt to kill nutella. Thats just an alternate wincon to punish us if we are too greedy and never save her or to punish us if we are too not-greedy and expend all of our resources fast

Mafia main wincon is to win by parity and they will just kill bunkers every night. Unless i misread the OP and they dont win by parity in which case lol me but id also be derp cleared town so ill take it

OP says their wincon is either kill nutella or kill all bunkers

If they were to reach parity would that constitute as nothing stopping them from killing all bunkers?

Mm i guess not since we're all doctors? Thats interesting

All right then. So this is unlike any mafia game ive ever played

im confirmed derp cleared town. i was towny regardless. haters can eat my dab

i thought the mafia wincon is different than what it is @ drago

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:06 am not only do they not win by parity but it's not even particularly the end of the world if we have enough doctors left. 2-2 might be harder. but tutuu you're missing the point: other bunkers are free to use their doctors to protect whoever they'd like if they see fit, and if they don't feel like using a doctor they don't have to.

fair enough

Gut reaction i like tony plan most

Slight counterargument is that if we suck and there are a lot of towns in our bottom poe, mid and late game we will be left with dead consensus townread towns who didnt have to waste saves on nutella and living sketchy towns who used up their saves

So its kinda like going all in on betting thay our consensus poe is good? Thats not even inherently bad im just saying

the game doesnt end if maf reaches parity drago

r u also derping? id believe u tbh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:12 am Gut reaction i like tony plan most

Slight counterargument is that if we suck and there are a lot of towns in our bottom poe, mid and late game we will be left with dead consensus townread towns who didnt have to waste saves on nutella and living sketchy towns who used up their saves

So its kinda like going all in on betting thay our consensus poe is good? Thats not even inherently bad im just saying

betting on having a good poe is something I'm willing to do in all mafia games.

Then ur very pure and innocent.

After playing on Epic Mafia ive lost that purity and innocence.

Maybe you havent eaten breakfast yet drago

Towns:
Me
Dunya
Guy who just posted that wall above
Nanook

Long Con
Dragomir

rest

Nvm i need to think more about proto. ignore that read

Like protos setup questions are towny, his effort is towny but a portion of his stuff is uh how do u call it? Iaawy? Ioa? What was the acronym
Like, listing stuff that happened over analysing them. Just listing them. he does it on a bunch of places in his wall

(ioa information over analysis is what i was looking for)

is it possible to iso ppl on mobile i vaguely remember an iso button on my laptop but could be wrong

also im at the countryside now and no internet and i need to take a 10 min walk up the hill behind our house to catch 4g every time i feel like playing mafia lol

also tonystark might be maf we'll see

its weird to me that literally everyone be scumreading long con and the epi person r u guys metaing or wat. cuz im not seeing how r they so obv scummy but could be wrong idk

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:02 am There's iso links in the first post: viewtopic.php?f=100&t=1904#p616174

yea thanks i felt dumb for missing that host post but in my defense i was surrounded by a legion of ants and flies and bugs

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:09 am Also I feel like unless we specifically coordinate something specific in the thread, bunker shots should only be used on their own slot.

i wonder if this could be a tiny reverse derp clear. Derp condemn? Like, youre saying that the bunkers should self-protect every night. Youre either maf who didnt see that bunkers can only do it once or ur bunker but u just forgot and like in a vacuum the former is more likely but u can still be town idk

ngl i feel bad (like emotionally bad) for putting shade on someone who has me as top town. i feel like a terrible person kind of. sorry

as for tony stark even tho his posts are logically sound i personally and subjectively dont sniff any towntells around them. but i dont know him so like could just be his reserved personality im scumreading

the person with the wall posts (apologies i forgot your name) is back to town for being adamant and disappointed that ppl arent reading his stuff i feel like. and like sorry bruh but im just in a lazy / social mood rn and dont wanna read or think about mechanics

tutuu
nutella
dunya (btw dunya is innocent child. if shes maf im quitting mafia forever)

proto
nanook

epi (i liked his tone in a few posts on page 4)

dragomir (dumb townread that i shouldnt make cuz its a stretch but here i am)
long con (same)

rest

tonystark
carot

(reads subject to change please dont get annoyed if im sring u and ur town etc etc)

uh i think i misgendered epi sry

just fwiw pronouns dont show up on mobile and on landscape too (and iso button too at least for me)

ok i read ur stuff proto

first part is sound

idk about the second about declaring ppl to be saved but idk

I feel like we could potentially all holster on n1 except the 3 nutella defenders?

maybe it will just come down to hoe the game plays out and how many ppl obvtown by eod. Idk i dont rly wanna think about it or insist anymore about any mechanics

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:11 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:43 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:09 am Also I feel like unless we specifically coordinate something specific in the thread, bunker shots should only be used on their own slot.

i wonder if this could be a tiny reverse derp clear. Derp condemn? Like, youre saying that the bunkers should self-protect every night. Youre either maf who didnt see that bunkers can only do it once or ur bunker but u just forgot and like in a vacuum the former is more likely but u can still be town idk

You're taking this out of context and I did mention "unless we specifically coordinate..." . What I meant is just "don't try to hero save someone else". I know it's impossible to bunker our own slot forever, but at least for the beginning I think it's a good strategy.

iight i misunderstood then

Ill be using (HOLY SHIT A FUCKING RAT JUST RAN PAST ME FML)

Ill be using they/them pronouns for everyone out of principle until i get home cuz it doesnt let me see ppls pronouns even after i click their profiles (on mobile) jsyk

i didnt immediately jump to a townread on dyslexicon but their reads align with mine very much so i wouldnt advocate to kill (fucking butterfly just flew into my sleeve) them soon. If theyre town i feel like they can do a lot to help out

I wish long con would towntell somehow or maybe i just dont see it but like im not gonna be stubborn and tr them for that one line if nothing else comes up

maybe its just d0 and ppl r gonna be more chill. thats alright

tonystark also seems like a stronk player so idk why r u guys easily townreading him without expressing some paranoia/reservations?

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:07 pm If people have a pronoun listed it should show up if you click on their profile

yea u right i missed it the first time cuz i clicked epi profile and it was like master/overlord or smth so i didnt see it

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:32 pm ok, misread the OP - I thought each Bunker could only protect once. Apparently they have 4 shots. Still not enough to waste them on a mass protect of every player in the game.

Mm

I mean, why would u need to read the OP that publicly lists the bunker rolecard?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:40 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:24 am maybe this is a bit too early but i also townread nanook for their low effort one-liner quips and lowkey trolling / lack of discussing in good faith

I don't understand why this is a reason to TR nanook? It feels NAI to me. Is this nanook meta or something?

No meta i just think its smth towns do

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:00 pm Am currently at the top of page 4. My townpile is tutuu and nanook and my scumpile is nobody.

i wonder wjy u tr nanook if u say that the reason i tr them for is nai. u probably said this later but ill forget cuz im dumb so ill just send this post

i might have a dumb townread on alison but it will depend on her answer im just talking to myself here cuz again im airhead and will forgrt

ok so the dumb townread on alison is that she goes from

No read on nanook -> "tutuu idk why r u townreading nanook for that" -> "i, alison townread nanook" with no explanation

So in my mind if she was scum she would be more cosncious of how she comes off itt and would not make such inconsistnecies

So i thimk shes town cuz she didnt keep up us up to date cuz if shes town she was like doing her thing u know

also im not reading that wall sry alison life is too short

Town:
Nutella
Tutuu
Dunya

Nanook
Alison
Epi (didnt pay much attention but like they went hard on alison or smth right?)

Dyslexicon (i just rly like their tone idk)

Rest

I dont believe in making scumreads it never works out so only townreads

Drago slot removed from tr cuz i cant understand mcdougall, LC removed cuz i dont see them towntelling and proto removed cuz they keep talking about mechanics and like im paranoid of its a maf strat to avoid making a lot of reads itt (apologies if u made non-mechanic posts and i missed them)

This game is easy

Alison is obvious town
Dizzy is obvious town

Doesnt even need explanation

So let me see here:

The 4 aliens are in (imo):

Macdougall, Tonystark, bimbo, Long Con, Rej, Soneji, Carotte, Proto

Id be very very surpised if this list has less than 4 maf

Proto and Carotte are putting a lot of effort so they should live, maybe it's just a me problem that I'm not seeing their townyness

I'll iso tony to see if they did some reads or am i crazy for thinking they havent shared a lot of reads