The Syndicate

I think my very first game was on colosseum but I only got into it b/c gavial recruited me from a mutual discord mafia server we are in lol. I played 1 game there, then he invited me to a game here. I've played a handful of games here. done 2 games on fortress of lies
all of my FM games amount to less than 10

uuuh... at this point it's the site I've played the most games on, so I guess

I guess 3p could choose to not reveal but isn't there only 1 maf left? they want maf left alive until they get coin so they can win? or what

not a lot

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:19 pm I want to take mizery, porscha and luffy off the table today. Sorry if wrong.

like as if you TR us so don't need to think about or want to K I L L?

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:22 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:16 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:14 pm Lag/Arc giving the vibes that it's in there for how supportive they've been of eachother and i dislike that read
are you sure this isn't just a solution to the problem of how to omgus 2 people at the same time?
no, lol

but I'm willing to sheep a TR on porscha rn. The wolf obviously feels comfortable if they're going after the 3p. Either that or the wolf is mac and they accidentally hit the 3p, but lol I'm not going down that rabbit hole until i have to which should hopefully be never lol

1. if mac was wolf and hit 3p why wouldn't the 3p just cc him?
2. how does the words after saying you wanna sheep me mean anything in regards to why you would TR me?

remember my last list of town to scum, you were on the bottom. I did not read the 6 pages I missed that made me look like an idiot. did you change your opinion of me during those?

yeah lag has been town

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:56 pm Mafia didn't know who Glomgold is, so it wasn't possible for them to bus and people voting HK or starting a wagon on him is largely NAI. You seem unaware to this fact to the point that you're indignant over being voted when you view yourself as having started the wagon, but a mafia would know that they don't know who their other teammate is, so you not knowing that is a potentially just a derp-clear

oh lol I see. what does NAI mean

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:50 pm anyway HK's day 1 consists of being sick and asking 3 times why vote falcon then just ends up voting falcon and then TR's :
dizzy
lc
mizery
seanzie

seanzie asks HK why he tr's him and HK provides a couple posts of seanzie engaging mostly with rondo

> early day 2 post from me leaving HK's ISO out to dry b/c I thought it was weak and others would notice as well, but was pretty much left alone

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:08 pm townies:

HK
Mac
Dizzy
LC
DDL
Mizery
srceen
NAA

is that enough? I feel like that's enough

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
do something townie
it isnt enough since you forgot me

>is HK intentionally setting me up to get voted off later in the game since he avoids me like the plague? (i feel he probs literally just forgot I existed tbf BUT MAYBE NOT?)

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:19 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 pm
I think Jack's wagon on Porscha is actually >rand town indicative. It strikes me less as an "I might die today and need an opportunistic out that won't get me much backlash for mis-chopping" and more as a "this slot is never going to do anything AI, and we have no good reads today, so might as well"

Mac is trending down for me, he was pushing hard for me + Jack who are both players that are likely to be do AI things once we're invested in the game. That alone might be a pro-town move in order to get us to actually engage, but him living another night combined with the potential for feeling out a mischop on a player he knows would thunderdome him when it comes to LYLO because Mac shouldn't still be alive in LYLO - just trending down. Mac's still a town read, but if both me and Mac are still alive the day before LYLO, I will be thunderdoming him. But that won't be until Day 5 at the soonest.

Mizery is still being inexplicably townread. I intend to figure out Mizery today, I have a very good record of accurately reading her.

HK is also being inexplicably townread by people. I think HK has pretty decent wolf equity.
agree taht's how jack's read of me came off

I agree thunderdome move will be necessary if at that point

pls do read mizery idk what to think of that slot, I actually kinda sus of it but don't feel like I have a good reason to sr or tr

I agree HK has possible wolf equity and that was why I went their ISO day 1 cuz it didn't read particularly TR to me but I didn't go out of my way to point that out. I kind of just assumed others would see what I saw

>agreed right off the bat with lag that HK had scum equity

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:51 pm here's where I'm currently at for townies:

dizzy
lc
mizery
seanzie
Why me?
I wondered when you were going to ask that question.

I like these posts. comments within the spoiler

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine
If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.
While fluffy this post makes me feel like you are legitimately engaging with Rondo, not preconceived notions being applied, not posting with an agenda. You seem like you want to legitimately want to solve Rondos alignment.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:06 am 10 minutes go by and Seanzie is just watching not responding to getting caught
You know I've decided to disengage with you because nothing was coming of our conversation, right?
along the same lines as the first post I town read this one because it's a soft disengage. You're not trying to ghost Rondo, you're not ignoring him, you're saying "Hey, we aren't seeing eye to eye and whether or not that's on me or on you this conversation isn't productive". It's been my experience that town wants to be productive, wolves don't care as much.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:56 am Dyslexicon is probably town for how much they're getting their hands dirty in the scumhunting process. Mafia have henchpeople for that.
@Seanzie ..must ...warn ...the others

I'm off btw. Please make everyone who isn't here magically appear.
Nah, you feel fine thus far.

You'll be the first to know if my mind changes about that.
Another post you could have not made and nobody would be the wiser.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:20 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am

@Seanzie ..must ...warn ...the others

I'm off btw. Please make everyone who isn't here magically appear.
Nah, you feel fine thus far.

You'll be the first to know if my mind changes about that.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Can't remember the last time I didn't bother you. Would be really cool if you're town. Also because you're good at it.
I'm actually exhorbantly bad at this game, and have one tool in my tool box (to bark like a mad dog at everything and let other people judge how they react) and am trying to move away from that style of play.

Either way, I sometimes feel fine about you, I just don't usually voice it unless you're getting run up, and you never get run up, so meh.
I like the honesty here. You do have a "meta" of "push someone really hard and shout at the thread hey this is sus" but that style can lead to feels bads, again I town read this because a wolf doesn't necessarily need to make this post, but a townie trying to be genuine feels it's useful.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:10 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

someone needs to help me because i can't explain why it feels like i have tmi and can't comprehend a single thing anyone is saying
I mean I am leaning towards falcon as well, there are too many people pushing him for all of them to be wolves. I feel like a lot of the arguments put forward are cogent. However I dont want to hammer so I am sheeping Dragon for now
Falcon is at E-3. While I agree we shouldn't immediately hammer him and instead use the time we have today, I'm not sure how you feel the fear of Falcon being hammered due to your vote is so great to voice such a read but then pivot like this.
I dig the nuance here. Not wanting an early hammer but also calling Rondo out on the pivot again says to me you want to understand and solve Rondo. This reads less like wolf?Seanzie thinking this is a push moment and more like town?Seanzie thinking this is an engagement/solution moment.

Now watch you push Rondo super hard and I have to eat crow or something.

If I preflip Falcon mafia, then Rondo would be the immediate name on my mind. Yours would probably come to mind pretty quick as well.

However, I don't really like doing pre-flip associatives, so I will leave this at that. But yeah, you aren't far off from eating crow.
anyway before looking like the actual dumbest person on this planet I came here to point this out cuz is it possible HK removes seanzie after seanzie makes this scrum read on him despite HK town reading seanzie

>HK says he has seanzie town read but then seanzie responds by telling HK he still has HK listed as strong scum read who should be on the chopping block, good reason for seanzie to die by HK's hands

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:43 am uuummm it is quite late at night for me here and I doubt that I will be awake for EOD. however I want to use my vote. this vote is rudimentary b/c my brain hardly exists and can't make any good reads but I've just not loved HK all game which is coincidentally how I have felt about HK in, I think, every game I've played with them which I do believe they have been exclusively evil or 3p

so that's my reasoning

if I get back to this before EOD i'll evaluate thread state but I doubt I will be able to catch up AND make an informed vote, if I even make it at all (dont count on it)

I went with HK over the like last bottom 2 of my read list b/c HK played just as scummy as he did in all the other games I played with them in which they were 3p or wolf

later vote here unless whawt happened in the 6 pages I missed would invalidate that

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:49 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:44 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:35 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:07 pm I am 6 pages behind catching up but see I am wagon option and you guys are being MADLY obtuse to think I would be mafia
I didn't touch falcon vote day 1
day 2 I called out HK's ISO and nobody thought anything of it but I thought it was lackluster
then when we wagon HK yesterday I STARTED THE WAGON by voting him b/c mac said anything but macs says we put down HK and suddenly everybody is on board
as mafia I don't touch falcon vote AND I start bus on HK over my bottom read of mizery (mizery comments on this and doesnt like it but nobody remembers my vote on HK despite this)

ok don't know why i'm actually being voted so maybe will be able to have specific rebuttal later but just popping this in please check my not super long ISO to see that i'm not mafia
Does anyone buy this dumb tell? (no offense Porscha) I kind of do
is this a dumbtell b/c i'm not caught up so what I said sounds dumb?
Do you think mafia would choose to bus HK?

maybe as a later vote but I dont think they'd start it. he wasn't a top scum read when I chose to park my vote on him

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:49 pm I also noticed HK didn't mention Porscha once in his iso. Not drawing any conclusion based on that, but it's a thing.

yeah but I mentioned HK multiple times and called it out before anyone else

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:35 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:07 pm I am 6 pages behind catching up but see I am wagon option and you guys are being MADLY obtuse to think I would be mafia
I didn't touch falcon vote day 1
day 2 I called out HK's ISO and nobody thought anything of it but I thought it was lackluster
then when we wagon HK yesterday I STARTED THE WAGON by voting him b/c mac said anything but macs says we put down HK and suddenly everybody is on board
as mafia I don't touch falcon vote AND I start bus on HK over my bottom read of mizery (mizery comments on this and doesnt like it but nobody remembers my vote on HK despite this)

ok don't know why i'm actually being voted so maybe will be able to have specific rebuttal later but just popping this in please check my not super long ISO to see that i'm not mafia
Does anyone buy this dumb tell? (no offense Porscha) I kind of do

is this a dumbtell b/c i'm not caught up so what I said sounds dumb?

all mac did was ride my coat tails for the HK read yesterday

I am 6 pages behind catching up but see I am wagon option and you guys are being MADLY obtuse to think I would be mafia
I didn't touch falcon vote day 1
day 2 I called out HK's ISO and nobody thought anything of it but I thought it was lackluster
then when we wagon HK yesterday I STARTED THE WAGON by voting him b/c mac said anything but macs says we put down HK and suddenly everybody is on board
as mafia I don't touch falcon vote AND I start bus on HK over my bottom read of mizery (mizery comments on this and doesnt like it but nobody remembers my vote on HK despite this)

ok don't know why i'm actually being voted so maybe will be able to have specific rebuttal later but just popping this in please check my not super long ISO to see that i'm not mafia

uuummm it is quite late at night for me here and I doubt that I will be awake for EOD. however I want to use my vote. this vote is rudimentary b/c my brain hardly exists and can't make any good reads but I've just not loved HK all game which is coincidentally how I have felt about HK in, I think, every game I've played with them which I do believe they have been exclusively evil or 3p

so that's my reasoning

if I get back to this before EOD i'll evaluate thread state but I doubt I will be able to catch up AND make an informed vote, if I even make it at all (dont count on it)

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:51 pm here's where I'm currently at for townies:

dizzy
lc
mizery
seanzie
Why me?
I wondered when you were going to ask that question.

I like these posts. comments within the spoiler

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine
If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.
While fluffy this post makes me feel like you are legitimately engaging with Rondo, not preconceived notions being applied, not posting with an agenda. You seem like you want to legitimately want to solve Rondos alignment.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:06 am 10 minutes go by and Seanzie is just watching not responding to getting caught
You know I've decided to disengage with you because nothing was coming of our conversation, right?
along the same lines as the first post I town read this one because it's a soft disengage. You're not trying to ghost Rondo, you're not ignoring him, you're saying "Hey, we aren't seeing eye to eye and whether or not that's on me or on you this conversation isn't productive". It's been my experience that town wants to be productive, wolves don't care as much.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:56 am Dyslexicon is probably town for how much they're getting their hands dirty in the scumhunting process. Mafia have henchpeople for that.
@Seanzie ..must ...warn ...the others

I'm off btw. Please make everyone who isn't here magically appear.
Nah, you feel fine thus far.

You'll be the first to know if my mind changes about that.
Another post you could have not made and nobody would be the wiser.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:20 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:56 am Dyslexicon is probably town for how much they're getting their hands dirty in the scumhunting process. Mafia have henchpeople for that.
@Seanzie ..must ...warn ...the others

I'm off btw. Please make everyone who isn't here magically appear.
Nah, you feel fine thus far.

You'll be the first to know if my mind changes about that.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Can't remember the last time I didn't bother you. Would be really cool if you're town. Also because you're good at it.
I'm actually exhorbantly bad at this game, and have one tool in my tool box (to bark like a mad dog at everything and let other people judge how they react) and am trying to move away from that style of play.

Either way, I sometimes feel fine about you, I just don't usually voice it unless you're getting run up, and you never get run up, so meh.
I like the honesty here. You do have a "meta" of "push someone really hard and shout at the thread hey this is sus" but that style can lead to feels bads, again I town read this because a wolf doesn't necessarily need to make this post, but a townie trying to be genuine feels it's useful.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:10 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

someone needs to help me because i can't explain why it feels like i have tmi and can't comprehend a single thing anyone is saying
I mean I am leaning towards falcon as well, there are too many people pushing him for all of them to be wolves. I feel like a lot of the arguments put forward are cogent. However I dont want to hammer so I am sheeping Dragon for now
Falcon is at E-3. While I agree we shouldn't immediately hammer him and instead use the time we have today, I'm not sure how you feel the fear of Falcon being hammered due to your vote is so great to voice such a read but then pivot like this.
I dig the nuance here. Not wanting an early hammer but also calling Rondo out on the pivot again says to me you want to understand and solve Rondo. This reads less like wolf?Seanzie thinking this is a push moment and more like town?Seanzie thinking this is an engagement/solution moment.

Now watch you push Rondo super hard and I have to eat crow or something.

If I preflip Falcon mafia, then Rondo would be the immediate name on my mind. Yours would probably come to mind pretty quick as well.

However, I don't really like doing pre-flip associatives, so I will leave this at that. But yeah, you aren't far off from eating crow.

anyway before looking like the actual dumbest person on this planet I came here to point this out cuz is it possible HK removes seanzie after seanzie makes this scrum read on him despite HK town reading seanzie

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:30 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:20 am
Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:12 am I hardclaim joat n1 mac v
so you're mech clearing mac as vt?
there is no joat we are all vt

I am googling my nearest bridge

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:12 am I hardclaim joat n1 mac v

so you're mech clearing mac as vt?

from town to scum:

dragon
lag
naa
dizzy
mac
srceen
HK
arc
jack
mizery

these are all leans I don't feel particularly strongly about any of them............

okay uuuuuuh part of my low post score is that I have no strong reads on any player being scum or town and without any grounding reads idk what i'm doing but liiiiike i'll make a list of what I think anyway

okay uuuuuuh part of my low post score is that I have no strong reads on any player being scum or town and without any grounding reads idk what i'm doing but liiiiike i'll make a list of what I think anyway

lol wow gamers nice progression since I was gone

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 pm
I think Jack's wagon on Porscha is actually >rand town indicative. It strikes me less as an "I might die today and need an opportunistic out that won't get me much backlash for mis-chopping" and more as a "this slot is never going to do anything AI, and we have no good reads today, so might as well"

Mac is trending down for me, he was pushing hard for me + Jack who are both players that are likely to be do AI things once we're invested in the game. That alone might be a pro-town move in order to get us to actually engage, but him living another night combined with the potential for feeling out a mischop on a player he knows would thunderdome him when it comes to LYLO because Mac shouldn't still be alive in LYLO - just trending down. Mac's still a town read, but if both me and Mac are still alive the day before LYLO, I will be thunderdoming him. But that won't be until Day 5 at the soonest.

Mizery is still being inexplicably townread. I intend to figure out Mizery today, I have a very good record of accurately reading her.

HK is also being inexplicably townread by people. I think HK has pretty decent wolf equity.

agree taht's how jack's read of me came off

I agree thunderdome move will be necessary if at that point

pls do read mizery idk what to think of that slot, I actually kinda sus of it but don't feel like I have a good reason to sr or tr

I agree HK has possible wolf equity and that was why I went their ISO day 1 cuz it didn't read particularly TR to me but I didn't go out of my way to point that out. I kind of just assumed others would see what I saw

make arc flip

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:22 am Ughhhh god dammit.

Arc I still think is town but who the fuck knows.

not you apparently! haha! nerd

yeah it's 2:20am for me right now I will not be awake for eod lol

i'll keep my vote on arc cuz i'm not convinced

wait noon EST? since you're ... one hour ahead of cst...........

and here I was gonna pocket dizzy but now I have to kick rocks and probs wagon vote him out *grumble grumble*

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:02 am it's crazy how much has been posted today and we've gotten what feels like nowhere
disagree, Jack has made a compelling point against Screenplay, We have good points against Dyslex and you

nobody has good points against me because the game state is that nobody is wolfy enough so that my general existence not being towny enough is putting me in POE and honestly that's not convincing for me and it shouldn't be very convincing for anybody

we already had compelling points about screen and he was weird from the get go. agreed jack made a good entrance but it's literally just that. which is good for him but changed nothing about the gamestate really. I guess dizzy is the most changed in perception?? and yet no votes are out and no wagon exists and it's 24 hour days so like what are we doing here exactly?

it's crazy how much has been posted today and we've gotten what feels like nowhere

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:39 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:37 am no I want you to be more active
I have exactly twice as many posts as you.

yeah and I'd like to keep it that way that's my point

no I want you to be more active

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:01 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:58 am i'm confused why would a maf claim 3p at all
"Hi, I'm Chuckles, the extremely friendly 3P whose point of existing is to make sure town wins, I'm not a serial killer and I'm not maf siding in any particular way!

Please don't kill me. "

like maf would claim town 3p?

yeah idk i'm gonna park a vote on arc
arc is the least tasty looking duck in here is my thought process on it

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:39 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:51 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:48 pm I get this strange sense that you're happy to be scumread Porscha, you go in my town pile for now
I dont think a single person has scum read me and I mostly just assume I will be POE day 1 / day 2 no matter what b/c i'm lackadaisical early in game so I don't fight it much if it comes up

is this a weird attempt to pocket me or something ...........................................
Do people remember I'm in this game

Also I don't see anything from Porscha implying that they are feeling strange about not being scumread rn

But townpoints for using the word lackadaisical

its true. as mafia, my vocabulary drops down from a 5th grade level to a 1st grade level :/

Lag wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:08 am
Arcbell wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:06 am Btw here's a hypothetical.

Maf who is not 3p claims 3p.

Real town 3p does not counterclaim until they have the coin.

Town 3p prevents an early win and maf prevents an early loss because town avoids limming them.
Lol, this is great

i'm confused why would a maf claim 3p at all

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:08 pm townies:

HK
Mac
Dizzy
LC
DDL
Mizery
srceen
NAA

is that enough? I feel like that's enough

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
do something townie

it isnt enough since you forgot me

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:57 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:53 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:50 pm
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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:48 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:46 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:41 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:39 pm

maybe if arc was wolf they would have targeted screen here instead of the seanzie flip?
I would've targeted mac b/c I didn't even know seanzie pushed falco
seriously? it makes up like at least half of seanzie's ISO...
I mean the dude kind of just appeared and hammered to be fair.

I didn't read Seanzie's ISO, I read falco's, and mostly paid attention to his posts and attention spotlight. I TR'd Seanzie for the EoD where he was super antagonistic to Rondo
uh huh and seeing that seanzie was killed and flipped, does this lead you to think anything sus about rondo or no
No, why should it?

like, not even a possibility of it meaning something? like head empty fr fr?

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:50 pm
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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:48 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:46 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:41 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:39 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:29 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm

I've done it a few times this game already to make sure what I'm saying makes sense.

That's the thing, there's no PRs in this setup so even trying a gambit saying "I'll save info for later" doesn't make any sense here.

What's getting to me is that he's refusing to out any information in a game with 0 PRs. Then when I'm confronting him about his read on me or my scumread on him, his response is just making smart remarks or they're conversation twisting to try to confuse people.
They're not showing attempts to evaluate alignments of anyone. It's more just being disruptive.
There are no PR's, there is no gambit. So why out of all the RVS talk was that what got you going? You felt attacked? Hate the play style? Looking for a reason to vote someone? There is information there that can be used to help sort you.
I think it's the first two reasons for you.
Arcbell I see as looking for a reason to vote someone. They give a narrative (doubtful in any world) why I'm scum. They also explain to you why I could be town. They are having conversations without looking for answers and without questioning or doubting their vote.
[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine
Now I will miraculously disappear again.
maybe if arc was wolf they would have targeted screen here instead of the seanzie flip?
I would've targeted mac b/c I didn't even know seanzie pushed falco
seriously? it makes up like at least half of seanzie's ISO...
I mean the dude kind of just appeared and hammered to be fair.

I didn't read Seanzie's ISO, I read falco's, and mostly paid attention to his posts and attention spotlight. I TR'd Seanzie for the EoD where he was super antagonistic to Rondo

uh huh and seeing that seanzie was killed and flipped, does this lead you to think anything sus about rondo or no

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:48 pm I get this strange sense that you're happy to be scumread Porscha, you go in my town pile for now

I dont think a single person has scum read me and I mostly just assume I will be POE day 1 / day 2 no matter what b/c i'm lackadaisical early in game so I don't fight it much if it comes up

is this a weird attempt to pocket me or something ...........................................

anyway HK's day 1 consists of being sick and asking 3 times why vote falcon then just ends up voting falcon and then TR's :
dizzy
lc
mizery
seanzie

seanzie asks HK why he tr's him and HK provides a couple posts of seanzie engaging mostly with rondo

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:41 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:39 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:29 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:14 pm You can tell I revised that post a couple times..
I've done it a few times this game already to make sure what I'm saying makes sense.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:59 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:51 pm

Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter
Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.

But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol
That's the thing, there's no PRs in this setup so even trying a gambit saying "I'll save info for later" doesn't make any sense here.

What's getting to me is that he's refusing to out any information in a game with 0 PRs. Then when I'm confronting him about his read on me or my scumread on him, his response is just making smart remarks or they're conversation twisting to try to confuse people.
They're not showing attempts to evaluate alignments of anyone. It's more just being disruptive.
There are no PR's, there is no gambit. So why out of all the RVS talk was that what got you going? You felt attacked? Hate the play style? Looking for a reason to vote someone? There is information there that can be used to help sort you.
I think it's the first two reasons for you.
Arcbell I see as looking for a reason to vote someone. They give a narrative (doubtful in any world) why I'm scum. They also explain to you why I could be town. They are having conversations without looking for answers and without questioning or doubting their vote.
[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine
Now I will miraculously disappear again.
maybe if arc was wolf they would have targeted screen here instead of the seanzie flip?
I would've targeted mac b/c I didn't even know seanzie pushed falco

seriously? it makes up like at least half of seanzie's ISO...

hey arc if you were wolf would you have killed screen instead

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:29 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:14 pm You can tell I revised that post a couple times..
I've done it a few times this game already to make sure what I'm saying makes sense.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:59 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:51 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:50 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:49 pm Nah, I just require an explanation from you at some point!

If you don't give one I have to assume the truth is bad for you.

If you want you can keep getting brad's thoughts first to read him though.
I don't think he's actually questioned me on anything he just keeps calling me a wolf and saying he won't give much info out.
Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter
Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.

But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol
That's the thing, there's no PRs in this setup so even trying a gambit saying "I'll save info for later" doesn't make any sense here.

What's getting to me is that he's refusing to out any information in a game with 0 PRs. Then when I'm confronting him about his read on me or my scumread on him, his response is just making smart remarks or they're conversation twisting to try to confuse people.
They're not showing attempts to evaluate alignments of anyone. It's more just being disruptive.
There are no PR's, there is no gambit. So why out of all the RVS talk was that what got you going? You felt attacked? Hate the play style? Looking for a reason to vote someone? There is information there that can be used to help sort you.
I think it's the first two reasons for you.
Arcbell I see as looking for a reason to vote someone. They give a narrative (doubtful in any world) why I'm scum. They also explain to you why I could be town. They are having conversations without looking for answers and without questioning or doubting their vote.
[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine
Now I will miraculously disappear again.

maybe if arc was wolf they would have targeted screen here instead of the seanzie flip?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:32 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:32 pm Gonna vote them next time they end up unintentionally get me to listen to Three Days Grace again.
Is this proper English?

*getting

I think fixes it

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:29 pm Maybe even Porscha doesn’t get where I’m coming from lol

the chart of how much one enjoys day 1 vs. experience was in fact funny and made complete sense to me

when I play these FM'S I kind of have sc2 mafia mindset which is day 1 is usually useless except to maybe glean who to invest or doc based on seemingly innocuous comments/ interactions LMAO

I also have less meta reads than a lot of people so it wasn't easy for me to glean that falcon was maf day 1 from their posting for example so it's hard for me to make reads early and day 1 is just a drag if you can't meta read people a lot

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:13 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:12 am I agree with Mac and I'm not overly worried about him being mafia... This is a first.
Isnt this mafia talk from you?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:18 am [vote[ NAA [/vote]

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:19 am I'm going to use Srceenplay's patent-pending disapearing move.

NAA is also AFK and also wtf is this interaction lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:24 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:21 pm @dyslexicon articulate your porscha read please?
The way she was in pain D1 felt like how town are in pain. I think I relate to that pain. Like wtf are we even doing and why. From not knowing. That’s the best I can give you on phone, but I definitely felt that
Would a mafia not have felt in pain by virtue of having one of their kin absolutely freight trained?

lmao also true. both are pain

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:51 pm here's where I'm currently at for townies:

dizzy
lc
mizery
seanzie
Why me?
I wondered when you were going to ask that question.

I like these posts. comments within the spoiler

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine
If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.
While fluffy this post makes me feel like you are legitimately engaging with Rondo, not preconceived notions being applied, not posting with an agenda. You seem like you want to legitimately want to solve Rondos alignment.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:06 am 10 minutes go by and Seanzie is just watching not responding to getting caught
You know I've decided to disengage with you because nothing was coming of our conversation, right?
along the same lines as the first post I town read this one because it's a soft disengage. You're not trying to ghost Rondo, you're not ignoring him, you're saying "Hey, we aren't seeing eye to eye and whether or not that's on me or on you this conversation isn't productive". It's been my experience that town wants to be productive, wolves don't care as much.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:56 am Dyslexicon is probably town for how much they're getting their hands dirty in the scumhunting process. Mafia have henchpeople for that.
@Seanzie ..must ...warn ...the others

I'm off btw. Please make everyone who isn't here magically appear.
Nah, you feel fine thus far.

You'll be the first to know if my mind changes about that.
Another post you could have not made and nobody would be the wiser.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:20 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:56 am Dyslexicon is probably town for how much they're getting their hands dirty in the scumhunting process. Mafia have henchpeople for that.
@Seanzie ..must ...warn ...the others

I'm off btw. Please make everyone who isn't here magically appear.
Nah, you feel fine thus far.

You'll be the first to know if my mind changes about that.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Can't remember the last time I didn't bother you. Would be really cool if you're town. Also because you're good at it.
I'm actually exhorbantly bad at this game, and have one tool in my tool box (to bark like a mad dog at everything and let other people judge how they react) and am trying to move away from that style of play.

Either way, I sometimes feel fine about you, I just don't usually voice it unless you're getting run up, and you never get run up, so meh.
I like the honesty here. You do have a "meta" of "push someone really hard and shout at the thread hey this is sus" but that style can lead to feels bads, again I town read this because a wolf doesn't necessarily need to make this post, but a townie trying to be genuine feels it's useful.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:10 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

someone needs to help me because i can't explain why it feels like i have tmi and can't comprehend a single thing anyone is saying
I mean I am leaning towards falcon as well, there are too many people pushing him for all of them to be wolves. I feel like a lot of the arguments put forward are cogent. However I dont want to hammer so I am sheeping Dragon for now
Falcon is at E-3. While I agree we shouldn't immediately hammer him and instead use the time we have today, I'm not sure how you feel the fear of Falcon being hammered due to your vote is so great to voice such a read but then pivot like this.
I dig the nuance here. Not wanting an early hammer but also calling Rondo out on the pivot again says to me you want to understand and solve Rondo. This reads less like wolf?Seanzie thinking this is a push moment and more like town?Seanzie thinking this is an engagement/solution moment.

Now watch you push Rondo super hard and I have to eat crow or something.

If I preflip Falcon mafia, then Rondo would be the immediate name on my mind. Yours would probably come to mind pretty quick as well.

However, I don't really like doing pre-flip associatives, so I will leave this at that. But yeah, you aren't far off from eating crow.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:00 am *waits for Lag to show up*

*Lag doesn't immediately show up*

*Starts writing a note to self to remind me to hound Lag as to why he is a top-tier player but his ISO is devoid of and and all content with 3/4 of the day over*

*Gets distracted by a shiny coin, stop writing*

What was I just doing?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:04 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:03 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:02 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:00 am I should probably catchup and do stuff before eod huh?
Nah, just put Falcon at E-1 and call it a day.
Would be funny but it’s not the kind of player I am.
Really? I thought you were pretty keen on bussing.
Oh, I am. So like from the perspective that Falcon and I are wolves, that can be expected.
Ooorrr... you could be quack-master-jacky-jack and if you bus, the mafia team might not realize you're quack-master-jacky-jack and they'd shoot you wasting a NK.

One of the two.

went thru seanzie's ISO and these are what I thought would potentially lead to why seanzie was killed first (disregarding his strong maf!falcon read)

are any of these potential reasons wolves might want him gone

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