The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:16 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:14 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:03 am now to touch on an NAI subject that is potentially interesting, has anyone noticed that it's just half the game playing?

i want some brainstorming on what that means cuz we couldn't figure out in wolfchat


i think this is the sort of topic that should be discussed in a d0

Tell wolfchat to play the game, lol

Jokes aside, isn't it because it's still D0? People will probably trickle in by the time the game actually starts, especially since we're just over 12 hours into the pregame phase and I'd expect that not everyone has gotten the chance to check in yet. So, I get what you mean, but I don't think it's particularly unusual at this point in time.

no, i mean, the game has 26 players. and only 13 were tagged here

there is no other thread. i wonder if they can see ours

i think some flavor mechanic might be in play, but idk since i've never watched this show. or whatever it is

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:12 am Someone tell me if there's a post cap

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:03 am now to touch on an NAI subject that is potentially interesting, has anyone noticed that it's just half the game playing?

i want some brainstorming on what that means cuz we couldn't figure out in wolfchat


i think this is the sort of topic that should be discussed in a d0

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:49 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:07 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:16 am he's sent 2 game relevant posts and has been shit posting

i didn't wanna call 3 people towny and i figured i could get away with calling him a wolf, and i wanted to call someone a wolf for spice

idk if i'm reading into it correctly or not but telling wwa to get off leetic is just rand!wolf breaking up t on t violence for cred, and that being his only real message there felt wolfy

(i've still not read that argument)

I kinda disagree that Gira has been wolfy cause I think I saw one post that made me lean light town on him, but I do agree as far as saying that breaking up a fight isn't necessarily towny as people are liable to give it credit for (as I said in reply to Ranmilia earlier, when she asked why I wouldn't give a townlean to someone who cares about thread health).

it is true that i'd feel obligated to read you the exact same way if i was mafia

i'm not really sure the townreads on me at this point are warranted based on what i've done but but i am town, it'll be obvious enough eventually, and i've had people townread me for random reasons often enough that i don't try to analyze it because it doesn't produce results

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:12 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:15 am I'm a little concerned that you forced a "GTH scum" read on someone you were probably nullreading, only because you wanted an answer to the twink question. I mean, I get that you wanted their answer, but are you really making a GTH read that way?

1) why are you concerned?
2) are you taking my gth read reasoning as the truth/face value?

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:58 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:49 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:16 am he's sent 2 game relevant posts and has been shit posting

i didn't wanna call 3 people towny and i figured i could get away with calling him a wolf, and i wanted to call someone a wolf for spice

idk if i'm reading into it correctly or not but telling wwa to get off leetic is just rand!wolf breaking up t on t violence for cred, and that being his only real message there felt wolfy

(i've still not read that argument)

is your impression that i'd have difficulty making game relevant posts as scum?

no, it’s that i could get away with calling u scum without elaborating

was afraid that 3 townreads would disqualify me from leetic’s metrics for answering the twink question

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:49 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:16 am he's sent 2 game relevant posts and has been shit posting

i didn't wanna call 3 people towny and i figured i could get away with calling him a wolf, and i wanted to call someone a wolf for spice

idk if i'm reading into it correctly or not but telling wwa to get off leetic is just rand!wolf breaking up t on t violence for cred, and that being his only real message there felt wolfy

(i've still not read that argument)

is your impression that i'd have difficulty making game relevant posts as scum?

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:16 am he's sent 2 game relevant posts and has been shit posting

i didn't wanna call 3 people towny and i figured i could get away with calling him a wolf, and i wanted to call someone a wolf for spice

idk if i'm reading into it correctly or not but telling wwa to get off leetic is just rand!wolf breaking up t on t violence for cred, and that being his only real message there felt wolfy

(i've still not read that argument)

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:10 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:09 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:55 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:42 pm leetic is right, we must solve the game as fast as possible, once dyslexicon starts posting nobody will be able to focus on solving, guys and girls and others alike

GTH town, I like the spunk. Still, what are you gonna do to help solve the game?

i have to ask you one thing first, are u comfortable with being called a twink?

@leetic

I already explained my conditions for answering that; you have yet to fulfill them.

you town
ran town
gira wolf

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:52 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:43 am ....
2a) you don't see me as a town leader at all?
...

anyway you seem fine, wanna mason?

2a. Only situationally. You are certainly capable of stepping up and leading a push, but I don't see it as habitual for you to try and drive the game as a whole or make mash shot lists etc etc. I may be wrong though since the games of yours I'm familiar with were ones that did not afford you the opportunity.

4. This discussion has been productive. Let us partake in communion.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:56 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:51 pm - leetic, if you are town, the playstyle you're currently pursuing is going to go straight into mafia's hands by exhausting the entire game. I implore you to be aware of this and measure your pace and level of aggression a bit more, for both fun value and town analysis value. <3

Lame. Besides, wolves should be "exhausted".

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:16 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:14 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:13 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:10 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:07 pm

Why is the only thing that is even remotely a read just "you can be town"? Saying you can read people in the future or that you're "not chopping" people isn't a read

I would qualify a no-chop list as some sort of a readlist, personally, but that's because I would only put reads above null for the day as no-chop.

"I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're town" is a read. "I wouldn't lynch this person" isn't.

Honestly, I don't think I have ever heard someone say "I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're scum" so I just naturally fill in the blanks.

You do have people who say "I wouldn't lynch this person because if they were town they would be useful" or "I wouldn't lynch this person because I think we can solve them later" Plus, specifically saying you wouldn't lynch people who haven't even posted yet isn't an actual townread.

Ok, I see your point now lol

now what do you make of leetics point towards me?

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:14 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:10 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:07 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:55 pm

You do know what GTH means right?

i do but i’ll give u the same answer, i don’t wanna prematurely make reads, i’m not even on laptop and i’ve not read you and windwards thing except like one or two random posts

i play primarily by intuition and i won’t forcefully move the needle, especially when we have a 3 day d1 essentially

if i had to guess

i can accurately read ran/wwa/bereft within 24-48h if not sooner

you can be town by aggressive play and generating discussion but like, what the hell do you expect, i’m not particularly entertained by your play and i’m almost certainly more aggressive, so you just exist and i’ll punish a drop off or punish bad reads but generally reward you being solvey

mac and dizzy i’m not chopping d1 here

blah blah idk who else has posted off the top of my head

Why is the only thing that is even remotely a read just "you can be town"? Saying you can read people in the future or that you're "not chopping" people isn't a read

I would qualify a no-chop list as some sort of a readlist, personally, but that's because I would only put reads above null for the day as no-chop.

"I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're town" is a read. "I wouldn't lynch this person" isn't.

Honestly, I don't think I have ever heard someone say "I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're scum" so I just naturally fill in the blanks.

i’ve said this before

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:13 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:10 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:07 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:55 pm

You do know what GTH means right?

i do but i’ll give u the same answer, i don’t wanna prematurely make reads, i’m not even on laptop and i’ve not read you and windwards thing except like one or two random posts

i play primarily by intuition and i won’t forcefully move the needle, especially when we have a 3 day d1 essentially

if i had to guess

i can accurately read ran/wwa/bereft within 24-48h if not sooner

you can be town by aggressive play and generating discussion but like, what the hell do you expect, i’m not particularly entertained by your play and i’m almost certainly more aggressive, so you just exist and i’ll punish a drop off or punish bad reads but generally reward you being solvey

mac and dizzy i’m not chopping d1 here

blah blah idk who else has posted off the top of my head

Why is the only thing that is even remotely a read just "you can be town"? Saying you can read people in the future or that you're "not chopping" people isn't a read

I would qualify a no-chop list as some sort of a readlist, personally, but that's because I would only put reads above null for the day as no-chop.

"I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're town" is a read. "I wouldn't lynch this person" isn't.

Honestly, I don't think I have ever heard someone say "I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're scum" so I just naturally fill in the blanks.

You do have people who say "I wouldn't lynch this person because if they were town they would be useful" or "I wouldn't lynch this person because I think we can solve them later" Plus, specifically saying you wouldn't lynch people who haven't even posted yet isn't an actual townread.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:10 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:09 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:07 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:55 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:53 pm can’t accurately read anyone here just yet

You do know what GTH means right?

i do but i’ll give u the same answer, i don’t wanna prematurely make reads, i’m not even on laptop and i’ve not read you and windwards thing except like one or two random posts

i play primarily by intuition and i won’t forcefully move the needle, especially when we have a 3 day d1 essentially

if i had to guess

i can accurately read ran/wwa/bereft within 24-48h if not sooner

you can be town by aggressive play and generating discussion but like, what the hell do you expect, i’m not particularly entertained by your play and i’m almost certainly more aggressive, so you just exist and i’ll punish a drop off or punish bad reads but generally reward you being solvey

mac and dizzy i’m not chopping d1 here

blah blah idk who else has posted off the top of my head

Why is the only thing that is even remotely a read just "you can be town"? Saying you can read people in the future or that you're "not chopping" people isn't a read

I would qualify a no-chop list as some sort of a readlist, personally, but that's because I would only put reads above null for the day as no-chop.

"I wouldn't lynch this person because I think they're town" is a read. "I wouldn't lynch this person" isn't.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:07 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:55 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:53 pm can’t accurately read anyone here just yet

You do know what GTH means right?

i do but i’ll give u the same answer, i don’t wanna prematurely make reads, i’m not even on laptop and i’ve not read you and windwards thing except like one or two random posts

i play primarily by intuition and i won’t forcefully move the needle, especially when we have a 3 day d1 essentially

if i had to guess

i can accurately read ran/wwa/bereft within 24-48h if not sooner

you can be town by aggressive play and generating discussion but like, what the hell do you expect, i’m not particularly entertained by your play and i’m almost certainly more aggressive, so you just exist and i’ll punish a drop off or punish bad reads but generally reward you being solvey

mac and dizzy i’m not chopping d1 here

blah blah idk who else has posted off the top of my head

Why is the only thing that is even remotely a read just "you can be town"? Saying you can read people in the future or that you're "not chopping" people isn't a read

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:05 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:03 pm Also, I'm pretty sure I've done more than just complain about inactivity. It's like an hour into the pregame phase, I'm not going to whine about people fluffposting, but neither will I make reads on it.

*is complaining about other people's activity. You can tell by my use of the wrong whose that that post wasn't entirely thought out

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:58 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:56 pm Also, why would I have significant interactions with other people? Nobody else besides Ranmilia has given a read that I've expressed a disagreement with so there's nothing else worth commenting on.

I don't know, because you might actually want to push the game forward or something. People who's only activity is complaining about inactivity are basically always wolves, and while it's too early in the game to indict you for that it will happen if you keep this up

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:57 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:55 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:53 pm Overall, the contrivances in Windward's "case" are probably the biggest red flag of anyone so far. Sure, part of it may have been a misunderstanding, but the bizarre insistence on me keeping the reads for the entire game just doesn't feel natural to me, not to mention some quick backtracking. If Windward was contributing in other ways, sure, but they don't really have any significant interactions with anyone other than me.

If I had to pick a biggest townread right now, I guess it would be Gira? 45 comes from a towny place, plus I feel they've been the most open out of any player thus far.

No, I didn't say that I assumed you'd keep the same reads for the whole game. I said I wanted to see how your reads would hold up in the next few days. Meaning, both how your reads on Gira and Ranmilia would evolve or stagnate, and how your reads on others would be formed. I'm not sure if you're completely misunderstanding me or if you're intentionally putting words in my mouth.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

Your argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving here

I don't believe you

I don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.

Then stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.

What the hell was with this then?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:53 pm Overall, the contrivances in Windward's "case" are probably the biggest red flag of anyone so far. Sure, part of it may have been a misunderstanding, but the bizarre insistence on me keeping the reads for the entire game just doesn't feel natural to me, not to mention some quick backtracking. If Windward was contributing in other ways, sure, but they don't really have any significant interactions with anyone other than me.

If I had to pick a biggest townread right now, I guess it would be Gira? 45 comes from a towny place, plus I feel they've been the most open out of any player thus far.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:44 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:40 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:35 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:32 pm There's plenty of solving going on, just have patience.

Such as?

Gira probably town for caring about thread health. [redacted] and [redacted] tentative good look for not knowing [redacted.]

I don't like these kinds of reads, either. But I don't think my opinion really matters.

What don't you like and why do you not think your opinion matters?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:46 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:45 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pm

GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appear



GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly

Too soon for these reads imo

First thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.

^ that sure looks to me like you're saying that people shouldn't have thoughts about the game, and that I'm wolfy for having thoughts.

No, that quote was referring to your post. Your first post was basically stating that we shouldn't have reads at this point of the game, which is basically saying we shouldn't have thoughts on players.

Ohhh. Ok, then that was my misunderstanding.
Yeah, I did say we shouldn't have thoughts on players, specifically who have only fluffposted. I didn't say we shouldn't have any thoughts at all.

But those were the only thoughts that were posted at that point. What thoughts do you think are acceptable to have?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)

Spoiler: show

Voting and Claiming Rules

1.) Claim whatever you want if anything.
2.) Votes in the poll are official, and I will only consider the poll votes when I resolve a day phase. It is still obligatory to call votes in the game thread, as the poll does not track voting order. Call your votes to make it possible to discern timing and order. This is not optional. Please call votes with the [ vote ][ /vote ] tags (no spaces).
3.) Votes are changeable with no limitations.
4.) Voting is not obligatory. There is no requirement to vote in any phase whatsoever. There are participation standards though, which I'll cover separately.
5.) The player who has received the most votes at the deadline shall be eliminated. There is no majority hammer.
6.) In the event of a tied vote, the eliminated player shall be decided among the tied names at random.
7.) A "no elimination" option will be included each day phase. This option must lead the tally with no ties to be enacted at any time.
8.) YOU MAY NOT VOTE FOR YOURSELF. THIS IS NOT IN THE INTENDED SPIRIT OF MY GAME, AND IT RELATES TO RULES AGAINST EXCESSIVE APPEAL TO EMOTION.

Participation Standard

There is no rigid standard for participation; this will be at the host's discretion. All players are expected to make a sincere effort to contribute to the game thread consistently enough that their content can be fairly judged. Non-participation has an adverse effect upon the balance of the game. If I decide a player is not participating enough to facilitate this balance, that player will be replaced. If a replacement cannot be found, there might be a modkill. With this in mind I reiterate: it's very important that everyone try to participate. At least a few posts per day/night cycle are a bare minimum.

Other

1.) Respect all guidelines and rules found in The Syndicate's announcements section. Above all else, treat your fellow players with respect -- this is just a game.
2.) BTSC (behind the scenes chatter) is only permitted in host-designated locations.
3.) No editing or deleting of posts in the game thread.
4.) Just don't make posts when you're dead unless you have been given express permission by the host.
5.) Non-players may not post in the game thread.
6.) Living players wishing to discuss something off-topic may choose to do so in {Off-Topic} Green. There's an "OT" button for this in the post editor. This is not required.
7.) If you ever have any questions about the rules, roles, or setup, please ask me privately.

Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes

Don't.

We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.

Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.

A good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.

GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appear

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm Hello friends. I love you all, and I love everything about you... equally.

GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly

Too soon for these reads imo

First thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.

^ that sure looks to me like you're saying that people shouldn't have thoughts about the game, and that I'm wolfy for having thoughts.

No, that quote was referring to your post. Your first post was basically stating that we shouldn't have reads at this point of the game, which is basically saying we shouldn't have thoughts on players.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:40 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:35 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:32 pm There's plenty of solving going on, just have patience.

Such as?

Gira probably town for caring about thread health. [redacted] and [redacted] tentative good look for not knowing [redacted.]

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)

Spoiler: show

Voting and Claiming Rules

1.) Claim whatever you want if anything.
2.) Votes in the poll are official, and I will only consider the poll votes when I resolve a day phase. It is still obligatory to call votes in the game thread, as the poll does not track voting order. Call your votes to make it possible to discern timing and order. This is not optional. Please call votes with the [ vote ][ /vote ] tags (no spaces).
3.) Votes are changeable with no limitations.
4.) Voting is not obligatory. There is no requirement to vote in any phase whatsoever. There are participation standards though, which I'll cover separately.
5.) The player who has received the most votes at the deadline shall be eliminated. There is no majority hammer.
6.) In the event of a tied vote, the eliminated player shall be decided among the tied names at random.
7.) A "no elimination" option will be included each day phase. This option must lead the tally with no ties to be enacted at any time.
8.) YOU MAY NOT VOTE FOR YOURSELF. THIS IS NOT IN THE INTENDED SPIRIT OF MY GAME, AND IT RELATES TO RULES AGAINST EXCESSIVE APPEAL TO EMOTION.

Participation Standard

There is no rigid standard for participation; this will be at the host's discretion. All players are expected to make a sincere effort to contribute to the game thread consistently enough that their content can be fairly judged. Non-participation has an adverse effect upon the balance of the game. If I decide a player is not participating enough to facilitate this balance, that player will be replaced. If a replacement cannot be found, there might be a modkill. With this in mind I reiterate: it's very important that everyone try to participate. At least a few posts per day/night cycle are a bare minimum.

Other

1.) Respect all guidelines and rules found in The Syndicate's announcements section. Above all else, treat your fellow players with respect -- this is just a game.
2.) BTSC (behind the scenes chatter) is only permitted in host-designated locations.
3.) No editing or deleting of posts in the game thread.
4.) Just don't make posts when you're dead unless you have been given express permission by the host.
5.) Non-players may not post in the game thread.
6.) Living players wishing to discuss something off-topic may choose to do so in {Off-Topic} Green. There's an "OT" button for this in the post editor. This is not required.
7.) If you ever have any questions about the rules, roles, or setup, please ask me privately.

Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes

Don't.

We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.

Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.

A good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.

GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appear

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm Hello friends. I love you all, and I love everything about you... equally.

GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly

Too soon for these reads imo

First thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:40 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:39 pm You just said you thought I was giving too many thoughts and that it was wolfy.

That's not even remotely what I said. Are you even reading my posts?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:39 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:38 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:32 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:29 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

I don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.

Then stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.

Did I ever insinuate that I would stick to these reads throughout the game? You do know what "GTH" means right? This feels quite a bit jumpy to me

No, but I said earlier that I would keep an eye on how your reads evolve over the next few days and yet you're completely ignoring that. You're entirely focused on pushing me because I didn't like your "GTH reads" on a pair of fluffposts. It's like you've already been caught for the wrong reasons because it wasn't necessarily wolfy that you posted that, but your overdefensiveness by way of OMGUSing me is not towny.

So basically, your only "contribution" is disparaging the contributions of others. Town would at least want to push the game forward, would they not? You give me the impression of someone who wants to keep the thread static with nothing but fluffposts

You think I'm fluffposting and wasting your time? Making up a push on you for... what reason? I couldve come up with plenty of better reasons to fabricate a push on you but I legitimately think that YOU are overreacting to what I said about making reads based on fluff. At least I'm not the one making reads based on fluffposts!

If you think my GTH reads are meaningless, aren't you overreacting to fluff and making reads from fluffposts from your perspective? Yes, tu quoque, I know, but this still feels contrived

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:38 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:36 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:33 pm wind you're doing the thing where you reactively omgus the first person to look at you funny again, just step off it because i don't need a massive slapfight immediately on day 1

No, I reactively commented that leetic's GTH reads are fake.

What do you think is "fake" about them? Did I list someone as GTH town when I actually saw them as GTH wolf?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:37 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:35 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:31 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm I mean those were NOT reads. If you want to argue that you were doing it for a reaction test, maybe I'd buy that explanation, but there's no way those reads were serious.

What about them makes them not reads? GTH reads, sure, but still reads

Doesn't matter if GTH or not. You can't seriously get reads out of two fluffposts unless the players in question are severely polarized in terms of when and how they fluffpost. I don't believe Gira is, and I would default to assuming the same for Ranmilia. There are very few players I could name who are polarized enough to mostly fluffpost as a specific alignment, and even still, they will probably make an entry fluffpost in every game, meaning their first post doesn't indicate anything.

These players presumably know their alignments, and that will be reflected in their posts. Do you not have to start from somewhere? What exactly are you accomplishing right now?

Everyone knows their own alignment, that's just how mafia games work. I am sparking a discussion so that I have actual material to solve from. I don't care if it's a controversial take or not, because it will yield useful information regardless of whether I reach the right conclusion or not. If I draw the wrong conclusion in the end, at least someone else reading the discussion will have the chance to draw the correct one.

Alright, so you agree that everyone knows their alignment, thus that knowledge is reflected in their posts, so what is your issue with me? Also, if you want to start a discussion, then why oppose the only other person starting a discussion? This feels a bit like backtracking to me

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:32 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:29 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pm

Your argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving here

I don't believe you

I don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.

Then stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.

Did I ever insinuate that I would stick to these reads throughout the game? You do know what "GTH" means right? This feels quite a bit jumpy to me

No, but I said earlier that I would keep an eye on how your reads evolve over the next few days and yet you're completely ignoring that. You're entirely focused on pushing me because I didn't like your "GTH reads" on a pair of fluffposts. It's like you've already been caught for the wrong reasons because it wasn't necessarily wolfy that you posted that, but your overdefensiveness by way of OMGUSing me is not towny.

So basically, your only "contribution" is disparaging the contributions of others. Town would at least want to push the game forward, would they not? You give me the impression of someone who wants to keep the thread static with nothing but fluffposts

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:33 pm wind you're doing the thing where you reactively omgus the first person to look at you funny again, just step off it because i don't need a massive slapfight immediately on day 1

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:31 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm I mean those were NOT reads. If you want to argue that you were doing it for a reaction test, maybe I'd buy that explanation, but there's no way those reads were serious.

What about them makes them not reads? GTH reads, sure, but still reads

Doesn't matter if GTH or not. You can't seriously get reads out of two fluffposts unless the players in question are severely polarized in terms of when and how they fluffpost. I don't believe Gira is, and I would default to assuming the same for Ranmilia. There are very few players I could name who are polarized enough to mostly fluffpost as a specific alignment, and even still, they will probably make an entry fluffpost in every game, meaning their first post doesn't indicate anything.

These players presumably know their alignments, and that will be reflected in their posts. Do you not have to start from somewhere? What exactly are you accomplishing right now?

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:31 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm Too soon for these reads imo

sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

it provokes good reactions even if it's forced, so no need to interrupt it. my lean is mafia doesn't take that approach but page 1 etc

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:29 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

Your argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving here

I don't believe you

I don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.

Then stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.

Did I ever insinuate that I would stick to these reads throughout the game? You do know what "GTH" means right? This feels quite a bit jumpy to me

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:28 pm If I could, I would vote WindwardAway here

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm I mean those were NOT reads. If you want to argue that you were doing it for a reaction test, maybe I'd buy that explanation, but there's no way those reads were serious.

What about them makes them not reads? GTH reads, sure, but still reads

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm Too soon for these reads imo

sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

Your argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving here

I don't believe you

I don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm Too soon for these reads imo

sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

Your argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving here

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm Too soon for these reads imo

sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm Too soon for these reads imo

sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)

Spoiler: show

Voting and Claiming Rules

1.) Claim whatever you want if anything.
2.) Votes in the poll are official, and I will only consider the poll votes when I resolve a day phase. It is still obligatory to call votes in the game thread, as the poll does not track voting order. Call your votes to make it possible to discern timing and order. This is not optional. Please call votes with the [ vote ][ /vote ] tags (no spaces).
3.) Votes are changeable with no limitations.
4.) Voting is not obligatory. There is no requirement to vote in any phase whatsoever. There are participation standards though, which I'll cover separately.
5.) The player who has received the most votes at the deadline shall be eliminated. There is no majority hammer.
6.) In the event of a tied vote, the eliminated player shall be decided among the tied names at random.
7.) A "no elimination" option will be included each day phase. This option must lead the tally with no ties to be enacted at any time.
8.) YOU MAY NOT VOTE FOR YOURSELF. THIS IS NOT IN THE INTENDED SPIRIT OF MY GAME, AND IT RELATES TO RULES AGAINST EXCESSIVE APPEAL TO EMOTION.

Participation Standard

There is no rigid standard for participation; this will be at the host's discretion. All players are expected to make a sincere effort to contribute to the game thread consistently enough that their content can be fairly judged. Non-participation has an adverse effect upon the balance of the game. If I decide a player is not participating enough to facilitate this balance, that player will be replaced. If a replacement cannot be found, there might be a modkill. With this in mind I reiterate: it's very important that everyone try to participate. At least a few posts per day/night cycle are a bare minimum.

Other

1.) Respect all guidelines and rules found in The Syndicate's announcements section. Above all else, treat your fellow players with respect -- this is just a game.
2.) BTSC (behind the scenes chatter) is only permitted in host-designated locations.
3.) No editing or deleting of posts in the game thread.
4.) Just don't make posts when you're dead unless you have been given express permission by the host.
5.) Non-players may not post in the game thread.
6.) Living players wishing to discuss something off-topic may choose to do so in {Off-Topic} Green. There's an "OT" button for this in the post editor. This is not required.
7.) If you ever have any questions about the rules, roles, or setup, please ask me privately.

Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes

Don't.

We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.

Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.

A good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.

GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appear

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm Hello friends. I love you all, and I love everything about you... equally.

GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly

Too soon for these reads imo

First thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)

Spoiler: show

Voting and Claiming Rules

1.) Claim whatever you want if anything.
2.) Votes in the poll are official, and I will only consider the poll votes when I resolve a day phase. It is still obligatory to call votes in the game thread, as the poll does not track voting order. Call your votes to make it possible to discern timing and order. This is not optional. Please call votes with the [ vote ][ /vote ] tags (no spaces).
3.) Votes are changeable with no limitations.
4.) Voting is not obligatory. There is no requirement to vote in any phase whatsoever. There are participation standards though, which I'll cover separately.
5.) The player who has received the most votes at the deadline shall be eliminated. There is no majority hammer.
6.) In the event of a tied vote, the eliminated player shall be decided among the tied names at random.
7.) A "no elimination" option will be included each day phase. This option must lead the tally with no ties to be enacted at any time.
8.) YOU MAY NOT VOTE FOR YOURSELF. THIS IS NOT IN THE INTENDED SPIRIT OF MY GAME, AND IT RELATES TO RULES AGAINST EXCESSIVE APPEAL TO EMOTION.

Participation Standard

There is no rigid standard for participation; this will be at the host's discretion. All players are expected to make a sincere effort to contribute to the game thread consistently enough that their content can be fairly judged. Non-participation has an adverse effect upon the balance of the game. If I decide a player is not participating enough to facilitate this balance, that player will be replaced. If a replacement cannot be found, there might be a modkill. With this in mind I reiterate: it's very important that everyone try to participate. At least a few posts per day/night cycle are a bare minimum.

Other

1.) Respect all guidelines and rules found in The Syndicate's announcements section. Above all else, treat your fellow players with respect -- this is just a game.
2.) BTSC (behind the scenes chatter) is only permitted in host-designated locations.
3.) No editing or deleting of posts in the game thread.
4.) Just don't make posts when you're dead unless you have been given express permission by the host.
5.) Non-players may not post in the game thread.
6.) Living players wishing to discuss something off-topic may choose to do so in {Off-Topic} Green. There's an "OT" button for this in the post editor. This is not required.
7.) If you ever have any questions about the rules, roles, or setup, please ask me privately.

Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes

Don't.

We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.

Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.

A good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.

GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appear

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm Hello friends. I love you all, and I love everything about you... equally.

GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly